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« on: 23 March 2021, 20:32:37 »

Been contemplating buying a couple of items towards building myself a new PC (Wont be for a while yet) but the parts I buy can be used in my current PC (Faster/more RAM and a bigger M2 Drive (Gen4)) ::)

Added them to the basket + next day delivery.  Found cheaper RAM at another retailer so emailed my supplier and got a price match (Gets me over £18 back).  Then as you do I had a nosy round to see what was on offer, found a kingston USB 3.2 256GB (£36(5 Year warranty)) whist cossidering the USB the buggers have put the carriage price up :-\
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« Reply #1 on: 23 March 2021, 21:26:36 »

Do you actually have any USB 3.0 ports on your Motherboard?  If not, it's not worth paying the extra for the faster data transfer speeds.

Anyway, Here £40 including next day delivery.

Or a Scandisk Here for £27 delivered.
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« Reply #2 on: 23 March 2021, 21:28:38 »

Then again, if your Mobo supports Gen4 NVMe, than it will more than likely have USB 3 support.
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Re: Cheeky Buggers
« Reply #3 on: 23 March 2021, 22:17:24 »

What, exactly, do you do with this mega fast stuff?
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« Reply #4 on: 23 March 2021, 22:50:12 »

What, exactly, do you do with this mega fast stuff?

Niche Porn, at a guess.  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: 23 March 2021, 22:58:41 »

Last PC (this one) is now 3 years old. 
Z370/i7 8700K
1060 6gb GPU 
16gb ram
Bluray & Bluray Writer (never writen a disk)
iT was takeing ages for the Z390 to emerge (Extra core support)So built this one.

Saved a few quid during lockdown - cant take it with me, so either a better monitor (but the market still getting better speced (Refresh rates) or keep upgradeing bit by bit.

New system will be Z590 and have Gen 4 M2 Support. (Hopefully x3)(Also aiming for 8 x SATA if poss) Contenders also have WiFi 6 on them and 2.5Ghz Lan.

CPU will be 11th Gen but not out yet, but will support onboard vid till the GPU market settles.

Memory is 3600Mhz, considered 4000/4400Mhz but seems there is no benifit from the extra speed from what I am seeing. (currently 16gb 3200)



But basically doing home work to see whats out there.

Just reading this write up and comparing boards, people posting on forums suggeting that boards are mainly equal (for the BIOS) etc etc, but in this article I have picked up on the different number of VRM's on each board.

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/intel-z590-motherboard-and-chipset-overview-45-rocket-lake-boards-detailed/2

Head now spinning and eyes getting sore. :-\


Some of it may be overkill, I have a lot of decent stuff allready Bluray Writer etc 28" 4K monitor.

But would be happy to abandon the upgrade idea if I see a Low Mileage 3.2 Elite with leather, all the toys and 1 owner from new was offered to me. (As long as its not white)
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« Reply #6 on: 23 March 2021, 23:00:39 »

What, exactly, do you do with this mega fast stuff?

Niche Porn, at a guess;D

Nah, same story line every time.  She does, he does, turn round, he does, she does. Off for a cuppa, same all over again.  than off for a chat.   Boooooooring.
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« Reply #7 on: 23 March 2021, 23:22:45 »

Last PC (this one) is now 3 years old. 
Z370/i7 8700K
1060 6gb GPU 
16gb ram
Bluray & Bluray Writer (never writen a disk)
iT was takeing ages for the Z390 to emerge (Extra core support)So built this one.

Saved a few quid during lockdown - cant take it with me, so either a better monitor (but the market still getting better speced (Refresh rates) or keep upgradeing bit by bit.

New system will be Z590 and have Gen 4 M2 Support. (Hopefully x3)(Also aiming for 8 x SATA if poss) Contenders also have WiFi 6 on them and 2.5Ghz Lan.

CPU will be 11th Gen but not out yet, but will support onboard vid till the GPU market settles.

Memory is 3600Mhz, considered 4000/4400Mhz but seems there is no benifit from the extra speed from what I am seeing. (currently 16gb 3200)



But basically doing home work to see whats out there.

Just reading this write up and comparing boards, people posting on forums suggeting that boards are mainly equal (for the BIOS) etc etc, but in this article I have picked up on the different number of VRM's on each board.

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/intel-z590-motherboard-and-chipset-overview-45-rocket-lake-boards-detailed/2

Head now spinning and eyes getting sore. :-\

I am an Intel fanboy, and I can't believe I'm saying this..... but seriously consider the later AMD series of Processors.  More cores/threads, cheaper (unless you go Threadripper), and generally seem to be A-OK.

What's your main use for the computer Skruntie?  I'm guessing you game a bit, from the 1060 Graphics Card.  Good luck if you want to upgrade that at the moment!

As for the Mobo.  I've recently been using either MSI or Asus.  My goto a few years ago was Gigabyte, but they are not in the running anymore.

Best bang for buck would be the Asus ROG Maximus XIII..... it doesnt have Gigabit LAN though, which is a shame, but not important if you do everything over WiFi.

If money is no object, then the MSI MEG Z590 GODLIKE is the bogs doo-daa's, although the MSI MPG Z590 Gaming Carbon is a great board also.

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« Reply #8 on: 23 March 2021, 23:54:47 »

I built a couple of PC's, one for home one for work during last summer. Both based on ASUS PRO Q470M C/CSM motherboard. No good for overclocking, but does have the all important on-board serial and LPT ports and old school Dsub15 video output :-) One is running an i5-10600K, and the other an i7-10700.

There is no point buying the 'K' version of anything unless you're intending to overclock. They just get hotter, and need bigger CPU fans and more powerful PSUs. I only bought the i5-10600K because it was being offered at the same price as the i5-10600, and the minute I realised I needed a bigger heatsink (K chips don't come with a heatsink!) I got buyers remorse.

The i3/i5 have a maximum memory frequency of 2666, whereas the i7/i9 can use 2933. Again, no point in paying extra for memory faster than your processor can support, unless you're going to overclock. I'd also be cautious of buying memory faster than you really need because you're then relying on the memories SPD definitions to support the speeds you can use. If it doesn't then it'll drop down to an even slower speed, and you'll have to poke about in the bios to get the speed you want.

I've used ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO m.2 PCIe3x4 SSD's - Intel chipsets don't support PCIe-4 yet.

The biggest thing I've discovered is that unless the applications you're running are new enough to exploit the number of cores or threads the processor has, you're just wasting money on more cores. Single threaded apps run on a single thread/core, and won't any run faster if you run them on a multi core processor (excepting the slight improvement in that OS may exploit other cores). What matters for single thread apps is single thread performance. Also, not all cores are equal - typically two or three of them will boost to higher frequencies than the others.

I don't do gaming, so on-board graphics is all I ever use. However, be aware it's almost impossible to get Windows 2K or Win7 to run on anything after Gen-8. 

The 11th gen CPU's when they do come out will have fewer cores than the 10th gen. They're promising faster single core performance, but the multicore performance is only marginally better.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 March 2021, 23:56:44 »

Was an AMD for years, in fact still got most of what I have bought, even got an FX8850 system as a back up (Black edition)

This system I have now is fine . . . to a degree.  A new GPU would make a biggest difference.

My biggest issue in backing up/storage.  I have 100's of 1000's high res picture & photos, some on external drives, some in boxes on Hard drives.and multiple copies all over the place from over writting folders.

DVD writing and storage seems have fallen by the way side as builders are not fitting optical drives any more, even windows is supplied on USB pens now.

So Having tried all sorts/combination of drives even the SSHD hybrid type thingys (2 x 6TB seagates) one of which failed with in a week . . . wont touch Seagate at all now (An external Seagate - 1 month old) died on me as well. (I agree with TB at this point, any brand of drive can fail at any time)

Tried a 250Gb M2 Samsumg EVO and was impressed from the start.  Got 1 in the 8850 and the next model up in this PC as the boot drive

Idea now is 2 x Gen 4 (Probaly a 500GB boot drive & a 1 or 2 TB Data drive (I allways move my document wallet to a slave drive)) & then SATA drives as backup drives (Currently 2 (6TB Toshiba & 6TB WD))  Just waiting for the M2's to drop in price.

Just fed up with the External drives, but will probably still have backups for spread sheets etc.

Some of this wont be added for a while,
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« Reply #10 on: 24 March 2021, 00:12:48 »

ASRock Z590 Taichi was the Mobo that I was looking at.

I heard that Asrock when they came out were a sub company of Asus.  Never had an issue with them, build possibly about 30 systems for mates and never had an issue.

Had a couple of MSI boards over the years.

Became a Asus fan but Ended being a Gigabyte user, Last one being Aorus Z370, but not hearing brilliant comments on the new ones.

Tried the 7700K overclocked, ran stable, proved its good and run it normally ever since.

Runs nice n cool, only using a 212 Hyper cooling fan

Issues in the past (Various systems)  Once ran 4 ram sticks and found I had heat issues, Tried the same again in a different board with heatsinks fitted on the ram so prefer running 2 sticks these days.

Not bothered about all this RGB stupidity the forums brag about.  Dont mind a bit of activity in the case (I just have the RAM in heart beat mode and nothing else)

Current case (HAF cube ) isnt big enough for the future but I have the full tower version for more drive space
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« Reply #11 on: 24 March 2021, 00:16:58 »

AND!!!!!!

If money were no object the I would build this

But use 24 8TB SSD drives and loads of RTX 3090 24GB GPU's and the best spec everything.

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« Reply #12 on: 24 March 2021, 00:18:21 »

I just Love the Mega PC performance to play 3D Tetris. ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #13 on: 24 March 2021, 02:04:31 »


I've used ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO m.2 PCIe3x4 SSD's - Intel chipsets don't support PCIe-4 yet.


Just reading this.

I am so far behind and out of date with todays tech. :-\




https://wccftech.com/z590-motherboards-pcie-gen-4-0-compatibility-intel-rocket-lake-core-i9-i7-i5-cpus/
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« Reply #14 on: 24 March 2021, 02:06:55 »

They went from putting delivery costs up next day and 2 day delivery. (Delivery was 2 days in both cases)

Price gone back down & goodies arriving Thurday (Just ordered) ::)
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