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Title: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 17:44:36
I am about to give my 3.2 a major service.  But when I asked my Vx dealer to order me the Pollen and Air filters, they stated what many have already found, they are "No longer available" ! :P

As many I believe have now tried and tested the non-Vx alternatives of these, can anyone recommend the best that I can now find please? ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 10 December 2021, 18:12:25
Mann filters are OE fitment on a lot of car manufacturers vehicles. Our Germans had Mann filters from new, but with the logo of BMW/ Audi added on. They're usually readily available for air, pollen and oil filters.  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 December 2021, 18:14:29
Probably readily available from the US but last time I looked up anything for you, you threw it back in my face.  :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 10 December 2021, 19:15:26
There's this genuine GM air filter on Ebay
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-GM-Vauxhall-Omega-Air-filter-91149684-/265151052123?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Although there are also several Fram listed, which are just as good imho.

And as for a pollen filter (you need the carbon version), you can't go wrong with this..
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CABIN-FILTER-WITH-CARBON-/303873808285?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

Depending on how fast you want them, I'm certain you can get both from local factors by manufacturers than GM. I've used allsorts of makes over the years for oil, air and pollen filters and never noticied any difference between genuine and reputable OEM equivalents, other than the price!
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:20:44
Mann filters are OE fitment on a lot of car manufacturers vehicles. Our Germans had Mann filters from new, but with the logo of BMW/ Audi added on. They're usually readily available for air, pollen and oil filters.  :y

Thanks for that :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:21:16
There's this genuine GM air filter on Ebay
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-GM-Vauxhall-Omega-Air-filter-91149684-/265151052123?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Although there are also several Fram listed, which are just as good imho.

And as for a pollen filter (you need the carbon version), you can't go wrong with this..
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CABIN-FILTER-WITH-CARBON-/303873808285?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

Depending on how fast you want them, I'm certain you can get both from local factors by manufacturers than GM. I've used allsorts of makes over the years for oil, air and pollen filters and never noticied any difference between genuine and reputable OEM equivalents, other than the price!

Thanks for that :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:22:39
I will follow both of the above members leads, so again, thanks :-* :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:52:13
Just ordered a Bosch air filter and Crosland pollen filter from Euro Car Parts, and got a healthy discount :y :y

Will be collecting them from my ECP local outlet, so no delivery charges :D ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 10 December 2021, 21:26:14
ECP were doing the Crosland carbon pollen filters for £3.?? odd a couple of months ago, so I bought several to keep in. Some 'pooh poohed' them regarding their fitment, but I found they fitted with no problem. Crosland filters have been going for years; no quarms with using them, or others like Fram, TJ, Coopers etc....
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 10 December 2021, 21:47:26
ECP were doing the Crosland carbon pollen filters for £3.?? odd a couple of months ago,........

£1.73 now.  :o
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 10 December 2021, 21:58:48


Depending on how fast you want them, I'm certain you can get both from local factors by manufacturers than GM. I've used all sorts of makes over the years for oil, air and pollen filters and never noticed any difference between genuine and reputable OEM equivalents, other than the price!




That.
You'll never notice a practical difference in filters, oil and plugs.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 10 December 2021, 23:06:04


Depending on how fast you want them, I'm certain you can get both from local factors by manufacturers than GM. I've used all sorts of makes over the years for oil, air and pollen filters and never noticed any difference between genuine and reputable OEM equivalents, other than the price!




That.
You'll never notice a practical difference in filters, oil and plugs.

Filters, I agree with.
Plugs and oil - well....no.
NGK definitely out perform the equivalent Champion in my classic Triumphs in terms of reliability for example - especially in a 2.5 PI.
Oil (oil again ::) ) - I'm quite particular about the oil I use. Dispite being labelled as the same viscosity, not all oils are the same. Sulphur content, the API rating all come into it, both in classics and modern engines. You probably won't notice any difference short term, but over time....  I thought members on here recommended GM 10/40 for the Omega for example?
Would you consider putting Asda Value oil (just as an example, although I'm not even sure that they still sell it?) that is probably recycled, into any engine? Maybe as a quick flushing oil, but that's about all it's good for.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 11 December 2021, 09:07:05

Filters, I agree with.
Plugs and oil - well....no.
NGK definitely out perform the equivalent Champion in my classic Triumphs in terms of reliability for example - especially in a 2.5 PI.
Oil (oil again ::) ) - I'm quite particular about the oil I use. Despite being labelled as the same viscosity, not all oils are the same. Sulphur content, the API rating all come into it, both in classics and modern engines. You probably won't notice any difference short term, but over time....  I thought members on here recommended GM 10/40 for the Omega for example?
Would you consider putting Asda Value oil (just as an example, although I'm not even sure that they still sell it?) that is probably recycled, into any engine? Maybe as a quick flushing oil, but that's about all it's good for.




GM oil was recommended because it was a quality product at a really good price if you could store the extra. Anyone with connections could get similar deals elsewhere, and the cost/value/convenience overlap changes. The impressive part of GM's Trade Club was the extremely easy access to it: the local Toyota dealer closed our trade account(workshop deliveries only, and had to be paid through the account) because we didn't use it enough.


For many years I used oil acquired from work; my Mini and Capris run just fine for 30,000 miles p/a on the same stuff we used in Transits. At my next job I used whatever 10-40 semi synthetic was in the 200l drum on other Capris, Minis, Avenger, BMW, Legnum, Omega and others. We all did. That was bought solely on whatever the best price was whenever a new one was needed. Even with free oil, I couldn't see any point in changing at the short intervals suggested here; mine got done annually at about 9,000 miles(commuting is expensive!) whether it needed it or not. My Omega got bought oil once, when I was in a hurry and forgot to specify what I wanted. That was a mistake because the 5-30 they supplied made it even less oil tight and noticeably noisier.


Use recycled oil? Sure - it doesn't really wear out, just gets dirty. Recycling it makes perfect sense even before the fact that it's made from a diminishing resource. The only problem with Asda Value oil is that it's more expensive than buying over the counter at a motor factor.


Plugs? I buy NGK for preference which goes back over thirty years to 2-stroke motorbikes. In reality, I've used Motorcraft, Bosch and Champion with no practical difference. I won't buy Denso again as they lasted half the life of other brands in my BMW. Yes, I know that one anecdote like that isn't really proof, but they aren't any cheaper and are easy to avoid.


Filters? I've never looked at the brand on the box, just put the old one in it so they take up less space in the bin.






The only brand I actively won't buy is Goachers beer. That's because it always tastes like yesterday's dishwater strained through my socks.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 11 December 2021, 09:28:56
.....................
I've used allsorts of makes over the years for oil, air and pollen filters and never noticied any difference between genuine and reputable OEM equivalents, other than the price!

Two of mine are in the warranty period so I have to use the approved filters when doing interim services, but clearly that doesn't apply when out of warranty, or in this case.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 11 December 2021, 10:06:54
Now Vauxhall tradeclub oil is no longer available  :( I've been using 10w40 semi with the same spec (ACEA A3,B3 ,API SL/CF)
with no issues  in my Omega, 3 petrol astras ,2 diesel astras and the tractor Zafira A .
usually just order it to be delivered  from TB's favourite on-line auction site  :D

popped into a local factors recently ,which are normally pretty good for filters ,fluids etc
"got a 20L drum of 10w40 please ? price ?"
factors "What's the reg"   
"I'm putting it in several cars " ::)
Factors "what are the reg numbers "
so I sprout off a few reg numbers I can remember  :P
Factors " computer says they should be 5w30"
"whatever ,computer don't own the cars and i'm doing the job"
Factors " well we will have to put a note on the invoice saying you are using the wrong oil and we only have 1 drum @ £62"
I declined their kind offer  :-X and purchased 20L of 10w40 semi "elsewhere" much cheaper

that's the first time I've encountered the oil police  ::)

Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 11 December 2021, 10:36:59
"I've been using 10w40 semi with the same spec (ACEA A3,B3 ,API SL/CF)"

As with any car, classic and modern, as long as the oil is exactly the same spec as the original, then that's fine and any cost saving is a bonus.
The point is that two oils of the same viscosity are not always identical and not always suitable for every vehicle requiring that viscosity grade.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 December 2021, 10:57:18
The one oil Best avoided is Castrol. The Omega always turns it into a septic sludge, regardless of grade.

And don't use 5w30 unless it's been fed it from new. For all the reasons Nick mentions.

Last oil change on the Barge used Tescos finest and the next will be Helfrods finest.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 11 December 2021, 11:21:27
I agree Jonny  ;) always check the spec  :y
As for "cheap supermarket 710" like Asda
Both offerings of 10w40 semi from Asda meet the spec for Omega V6
Carlube Triple R 10w40 4L £32  (https://groceries.asda.com/product/car-maintenance/10-w-40-premium-4-l/1000276989338) and
Auto Drive 10W-40 5L £21 (https://groceries.asda.com/product/car-maintenance/auto-drive-10-w-40-semi-synesthetic-engine-oil/1000012506852)
however it's bleddy spensive  :o
to get 6 L would cost £56 for carlube
to get 2 x 5 L of the Auto-drive would be £42

but you can get 4 jugs of 5 L (SAE 10W-40)

API SL/CF

ACEA A3/B3

MB 229.1

VW 501.01/505.00

off ebay with tracked delivery for £47 or less if you buy a 20L drum with a few clicks of the mouse  ;D

The one oil Best avoided is Castrol. The Omega always turns it into a septic sludge, regardless of grade.

And don't use 5w30 unless it's been fed it from new. For all the reasons Nick mentions.

Last oil change on the Barge used Tescos finest and the next will be Helfrods finest.
Cheaper options available without comprimising on spec  :D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 December 2021, 11:35:27
MB229.51 all the way ;)

My factors is relatively expensive for some things, oil being one of them.

Tbh, I haven't tried MB, but suspect the local Truck/Van dealer may well be cheaper for a larger quantity... If the next car is according to plan, then that will need 9 litres every 3 months, so a bigger tub could be cost effective.  :-\
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 11:44:21
ECP were doing the Crosland carbon pollen filters for £3.?? odd a couple of months ago,........

£1.73 now.  :o

Yep, and that is what I have just paid :D :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 11:49:25
Now Vauxhall tradeclub oil is no longer available :( I've been using 10w40 semi with the same spec (ACEA A3,B3 ,API SL/CF)
with no issues  in my Omega, 3 petrol astras ,2 diesel astras and the tractor Zafira A .
usually just order it to be delivered  from TB's favourite on-line auction site  :D

popped into a local factors recently ,which are normally pretty good for filters ,fluids etc
"got a 20L drum of 10w40 please ? price ?"
factors "What's the reg"   
"I'm putting it in several cars " ::)
Factors "what are the reg numbers "
so I sprout off a few reg numbers I can remember  :P
Factors " computer says they should be 5w30"
"whatever ,computer don't own the cars and i'm doing the job"
Factors " well we will have to put a note on the invoice saying you are using the wrong oil and we only have 1 drum @ £62"
I declined their kind offer  :-X and purchased 20L of 10w40 semi "elsewhere" much cheaper

that's the first time I've encountered the oil police  ::)

Yes, that is what my Vx parts guy has told me when I tried to order the 20 litres for the price of 15 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 December 2021, 23:25:04
I get my oil from here now:

https://www.smithandallan.com/ (https://www.smithandallan.com/)

Excellent mail order service, a decent range of oil specs and less hassle than going to a motor factors. :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 12 December 2021, 10:10:29
ecp doing same discount deal on air filters too
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 December 2021, 13:10:25
ecp doing same discount deal on air filters too

Indeed, got Bosch filter with a discount of £7-60 :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 12 December 2021, 14:43:43
didnt see that one but a crossland for £1.91 cant be bad. will stock up.
also drop links and vertical bushes for super cheap prices too.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 December 2021, 19:26:27
I get my oil from here now:

https://www.smithandallan.com/ (https://www.smithandallan.com/)

Excellent mail order service, a decent range of oil specs and less hassle than going to a motor factors. :y

Thanks for that tip :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: countrywoman on 13 December 2021, 09:35:12
mmmmmmmmm Having fitted loads of Crossland filters when I used to work at Hellfrauds I recon you would be better at using the box and throwing filter in bin . Somewhere Halfords have a deal with ECP and ECP own Crossland , for my own cars I always used Bosch, Mann or other good make filters and oil from work at trade price apart from the oil (wink wink)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: grifter on 15 December 2021, 13:43:34
Something I noticed about the pollen filter in the omega is it seems very slack where it sits, thought it was something I hadn't done right, but seems the same on my other omega I just bought. What's the point of a pollen filter when you can drive a bus round the gaps in it's holder?
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 December 2021, 13:49:31
Either the wrong filter, a poor imitation or incorrectly fitted.

GM ones fit like a glove.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 December 2021, 15:14:16
For anyone interested, the 10/40 oil I have collected from my Vx dealer has a plain white label with both the Vauxhall and Opel symbols printed on it, with specification, which cost after discount £13.68 ex-VAT.

What has surprised me, although it shouldn't given inflation and GM disappearing, is the price of the spark plugs.  In 2018 I paid, after discount, £6.30 ex-VAT each.  Now after discount, £8.60 ex-VAT each.  So instead of a total of £37.80, now £63.60 ex-VAT.  It all certainly adds up!! ::) ::)

 ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: VXL V6 on 15 December 2021, 15:39:25
For anyone interested, the 10/40 oil I have collected from my Vx dealer has a plain white label with both the Vauxhall and Opel symbols printed on it, with specification, which cost after discount £13.68 ex-VAT.

It's had white labels on it for at least the last three years at the dealers I use

What has surprised me, although it shouldn't given inflation and GM disappearing, is the price of the spark plugs.  In 2018 I paid, after discount, £6.30 ex-VAT each.  Now after discount, £8.60 ex-VAT each.  So instead of a total of £37.80, now £63.60 ex-VAT.  It all certainly adds up!! ::) ::)

 ;)

If you shop around you can get genuine GM for about £3.00 each (I bought 18 LOL), last set I bought from the dealer were about £4.00 each so clearly your dealer isn't giving you any discounts.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 December 2021, 16:00:44
For anyone interested, the 10/40 oil I have collected from my Vx dealer has a plain white label with both the Vauxhall and Opel symbols printed on it, with specification, which cost after discount £13.68 ex-VAT.

It's had white labels on it for at least the last three years at the dealers I use

What has surprised me, although it shouldn't given inflation and GM disappearing, is the price of the spark plugs.  In 2018 I paid, after discount, £6.30 ex-VAT each.  Now after discount, £8.60 ex-VAT each.  So instead of a total of £37.80, now £63.60 ex-VAT.  It all certainly adds up!! ::) ::)

 ;)

If you shop around you can get genuine GM for about £3.00 each (I bought 18 LOL), last set I bought from the dealer were about £4.00 each so clearly your dealer isn't giving you any discounts.

Thanks for your observations and tip VXL :y :y

The last time I bought the oil it was 20ltrs for the price of 15 was back in 2017 when the GM labels were being used :D :D ;)

As for the spark plugs, they are the ones from the Vx I have used and trusted for years, who still give me the discounts on the official list price that they are using.  However, thanks and it is too late now, but next time I will go to someone like  AutoVaux who I note do the genuine ones I use for £6.70 inc VAT, so on a set that is a decent saving. 8) 8)

With the loss of some Omega parts availability from Vx now I am shopping around, but I will be doing it more now!  I have always tried to fit only genuine GM / Vx parts, but my options are now fast declining :'( :'(

 ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 December 2021, 16:50:34
You're limited by your imagination. :-X

As Andy suggested, your discount is based on inflated retail prices.

I don't recall paying much over £60 for plugs, oil/air/pollen filters and oil on the Omega. The Vectrums were always sub £50 (2 fewer plugs and less oil per car) and always GM parts.

The 4 for 3 offer was pretty much a constant price for 20 litres, the variation being one tub of 20 litres or four tubs of 5 litres @ around £3 per litre.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: VXL V6 on 15 December 2021, 17:42:28
Here you go, buy three sets of these for a total of £22.50 and your good for two plug changes (supposedly 80K then)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153759219385?epid=12007124986&hash=item23ccc37eb9:g:m-oAAOSwoCFd8g60
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: biggriffin on 15 December 2021, 19:31:46
Everything is available from euro carparts, only problem is it won't have a GM stamp on, so your car will self destruct if you fit it, or it will do the same job as it did before...
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 December 2021, 20:05:14
You're limited by your imagination. :-X

As Andy suggested, your discount is based on inflated retail prices.

I don't recall paying much over £60 for plugs, oil/air/pollen filters and oil on the Omega. The Vectrums were always sub £50 (2 fewer plugs and less oil per car) and always GM parts.

The 4 for 3 offer was pretty much a constant price for 20 litres, the variation being one tub of 20 litres or four tubs of 5 litres @ around £3 per litre.

You always have to have a dig with cyclical and acidic comments ::) ::) >:(

So you paid over £60 for your plugs before………as I said I only paid £37.60 before ::) :P

No imagination eh?!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 December 2021, 20:14:28
You're limited by your imagination. :-X

As Andy suggested, your discount is based on inflated retail prices.

I don't recall paying much over £60 for plugs, oil/air/pollen filters and oil on the Omega. The Vectrums were always sub £50 (2 fewer plugs and less oil per car) and always GM parts.

The 4 for 3 offer was pretty much a constant price for 20 litres, the variation being one tub of 20 litres or four tubs of 5 litres @ around £3 per litre.

You always have to have a dig with cyclical and acidic comments ::) ::) >:(

So you paid over £60 for your plugs before………as I said I only paid £37.60 before ::) :P

No imagination eh?!  ::) ::)
Reread my post, admit your wrong and apologise.

That was for six plugs, an oil filter, an air filter, a charcoal pollen filter and the oil. All over the counter with no account. I had bought four cars from them, which may have helped but I certainly didn't need to ask for a discount.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 15 December 2021, 20:27:27
You're limited by your imagination. :-X

As Andy suggested, your discount is based on inflated retail prices.

I don't recall paying much over £60 for plugs, oil/air/pollen filters and oil on the Omega. The Vectrums were always sub £50 (2 fewer plugs and less oil per car) and always GM parts.

The 4 for 3 offer was pretty much a constant price for 20 litres, the variation being one tub of 20 litres or four tubs of 5 litres @ around £3 per litre.

You always have to have a dig with cyclical and acidic comments ::) ::) >:(

So you paid over £60 for your plugs before………as I said I only paid £37.60 before ::) :P

No imagination eh?!  ::) ::)
Reread my post, admit your wrong and apologise.

That was for six plugs, an oil filter, an air filter, a charcoal pollen filter and the oil. All over the counter with no account. I had bought four cars from them, which may have helped but I certainly didn't need to ask for a discount.

Yes, ok sorry I misread your sentence on that, but that is because of your first opening comment which is so typical and just turns me off >:(
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 December 2021, 21:12:32
Apology noted.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2021, 08:52:27
Everything is available from euro carparts, only problem is it won't have a GM stamp on, so your car will self destruct if you fit it, or it will do the same job as it did before...

My only observation on some of ECP's parts is to avoid the cheap oil filters for the cartridge type setup, when you click the Bosch, Hengst or GM (Hengst) ones into the housing lid they are a loose fit and spin freely, this is important because if they don't spin when you tighten up the lid onto the housing the filter ends up twisting in the housing, you'll only see how deformed it's become when you next remove it.

Carbon impregnated pollen filters (required on facelifts) are more expensive so worth stocking up on them if you ever see them on offer.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 16 December 2021, 10:46:32
Defo worth shopping around.  ECP prices can be variable, and frequently aren't that competitive...  ...but are convenient.  Other local factors are also convenient ;)

Be wary of Autovaux, they have a reputation of claiming some of their pattern parts are genuine.

Egay can be in the land of the gods, so make sure you know what you're getting.


And dealers have been supplying oil in plain white containers for years.  Also, next time you buy some, ask about prices for a 20l tub, as tends to work out much, much cheaper than 4 x 5l, even when GM had the 4 for 3 offer.  Less convenient, mind.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2021, 12:53:17
Defo worth shopping around.  ECP prices can be variable, and frequently aren't that competitive...  ...but are convenient.  Other local factors are also convenient ;)

Be wary of Autovaux, they have a reputation of claiming some of their pattern parts are genuine.

Egay can be in the land of the gods, so make sure you know what you're getting.


And dealers have been supplying oil in plain white containers for years. Also, next time you buy some, ask about prices for a 20l tub, as tends to work out much, much cheaper than 4 x 5l, even when GM had the 4 for 3 offer.  Less convenient, mind.

Thanks TB :y :y

Constructive comments, and you outline why I have usually stuck to parts from my Vx dealer, who I have known, got the best discounts in the past from, for 14 years.  I am very concerned that by saving a few quid by going to motor factor sites I could get a dodgy product that could damage my car or simply give me more work when it goes wrong.

I can see though it getting much harder to buy genuine parts for our Omega's, an example being the crank sensor recently bought from Autodoc.  So far, despite many horror warnings from some, the Bosch part has been fine! :D ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2021, 14:06:56
You could have bought a genuine GM one for similar money/effort.

The latest one is a different part number to the one acquired, which suggests a revision of the part.

You can buy genuine parts but you need to be prepared to work to locate them. I gave you all the information you needed for the crank sensor and you threw it back in my face. So if my comments seem acidic, consider why.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2021, 15:07:59
You could have bought a genuine GM one for similar money/effort.

The latest one is a different part number to the one acquired, which suggests a revision of the part.

You can buy genuine parts but you need to be prepared to work to locate them. I gave you all the information you needed for the crank sensor and you threw it back in my face. So if my comments seem acidic, consider why.

I know that DG, but I have not got the time or can be bothered to hunt around to save a few quid every time I go to service my Omega.  That is why I deal with my trusted Vx dealer who I know will sort out any problems I may have with parts they supply, and sometimes fit (like the a/c compressor unit that went wrong after just over two years and their general manager, who I know well now, agreeing to refund almost £1,000).  For me it is about time and trust.

It is a personal thing to decide what to buy and where from, but I DO welcome advise from you DG and all others here on the OOF.  That is why I stay as a member.  Sometimes though you do react strangely with me, and others, when they seem not to want to follow your advise.  I am sorry that you are offended by this, but I am my own woman and away from any man telling me what to do. That's just how it is. 

BUT, let us BOTH stop having a pop at each other now and act like mature adults.  In so many posts I have made in General Chat, and even when I escape to here in the true motoring sections, you appear to have a dig on what I have said, nick picking on everywhere word, every phrase, or me just being me!  But, there is no need for that, or indeed for some of my responses! :-[

I am not perfect, nor are you, or anyone else in the whole World.  We have all got our flaws, faults, as well as strengths within the knowledge we have, although having the ability to wind others up!  As I have said many times, in many posts, there are times when we should all live and let live.  So let us BOTH bury the hatchet and in a Christmas spirit of peace just get on. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2021, 15:11:48
You could have bought a genuine GM one for similar money/effort.

The latest one is a different part number to the one acquired, which suggests a revision of the part.

You can buy genuine parts but you need to be prepared to work to locate them. I gave you all the information you needed for the crank sensor and you threw it back in my face. So if my comments seem acidic, consider why.

I know that DG, but I have not got the time or can be bothered to hunt around to save a few quid every time I go to service my Omega.  That is why I deal with my trusted Vx dealer who I know will sort out any problems I may have with parts they supply, and sometimes fit (like the a/c compressor unit that went wrong after just over two years and their general manager, who I know well now, agreeing to refund almost £1,000).  For me it is about time and trust.

It is a personal thing to decide what to buy and where from, but I DO welcome advise from you DG and all others here on the OOF.  That is why I stay as a member.  Sometimes though you do react strangely with me, and others, when they seem not to want to follow your advise.  I am sorry that you are offended by this, but I am my own woman and away from any man telling me what to do. That's just how it is. 

BUT, let us BOTH stop having a pop at each other now and act like mature adults.  In so many posts I have made in General Chat, and even when I escape to here in the true motoring sections, you appear to have a dig on what I have said, nick picking on everywhere word, every phrase, or me just being me!  But, there is no need for that, or indeed for some of my responses! :-[

I am not perfect, nor are you, or anyone else in the whole World.  We have all got our flaws, faults, as well as strengths within the knowledge we have, although having the ability to wind others up!  As I have said many times, in many posts, there are times when we should all live and let live.  So let us BOTH bury the hatchet and in a Christmas spirit of peace just get on. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y :y
Lizzie and DG, sitting in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G.  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2021, 15:13:20
You could have bought a genuine GM one for similar money/effort.

The latest one is a different part number to the one acquired, which suggests a revision of the part.

You can buy genuine parts but you need to be prepared to work to locate them. I gave you all the information you needed for the crank sensor and you threw it back in my face. So if my comments seem acidic, consider why.

I know that DG, but I have not got the time or can be bothered to hunt around to save a few quid every time I go to service my Omega.  That is why I deal with my trusted Vx dealer who I know will sort out any problems I may have with parts they supply, and sometimes fit (like the a/c compressor unit that went wrong after just over two years and their general manager, who I know well now, agreeing to refund almost £1,000).  For me it is about time and trust.

It is a personal thing to decide what to buy and where from, but I DO welcome advise from you DG and all others here on the OOF.  That is why I stay as a member.  Sometimes though you do react strangely with me, and others, when they seem not to want to follow your advise.  I am sorry that you are offended by this, but I am my own woman and away from any man telling me what to do. That's just how it is. 

BUT, let us BOTH stop having a pop at each other now and act like mature adults.  In so many posts I have made in General Chat, and even when I escape to here in the true motoring sections, you appear to have a dig on what I have said, nick picking on everywhere word, every phrase, or me just being me!  But, there is no need for that, or indeed for some of my responses! :-[

I am not perfect, nor are you, or anyone else in the whole World.  We have all got our flaws, faults, as well as strengths within the knowledge we have, although having the ability to wind others up!  As I have said many times, in many posts, there are times when we should all live and let live.  So let us BOTH bury the hatchet and in a Christmas spirit of peace just get on. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y :y
Lizzie and DG, sitting in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G.  ;D

Trust you Steve!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D :y :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2021, 16:05:58
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2021, 16:22:43
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X


What is this "TRE" label? ???

As for the rest, well I tried ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: STEMO on 16 December 2021, 16:30:36
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X


What is this "TRE" label? ???

As for the rest, well I tried ;)
You probably don't want to know.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 16 December 2021, 17:04:29
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X


What is this "TRE" label? ???

As for the rest, well I tried ;)

T_ _     R_ s_d_ _t      E_p_ _t       

Unless of course he's calling you a Track Rod End.  ;D ;D

In fairness, it could be worse.  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 16 December 2021, 17:52:59
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X


What is this "TRE" label? ???

As for the rest, well I tried ;)

T_ _     R_ s_d_ _t      E_p_ _t       

Unless of course he's calling you a Track Rod End.  ;D ;D

In fairness, it could be worse.  ;D


Thank you, but I want DG to explain.   It is like dealing with a child :(
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 16 December 2021, 18:04:15
Explain what?

That you can still buy genuine parts? ???
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 16 December 2021, 18:13:02
I've just been sick. :-X

TRE, you can't complain about not being able to buy genuine parts if you aren't prepared to buy them. It's not a question of saving a few quid. You either want genuine parts or you don't. Nothing wrong with either but don't get all uppity because you don't like putting in actual effort to find them.  :-X

Give it a rest .....  :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 17 December 2021, 10:27:59
Please can you 2 get a room, and do what you need to do.

This is getting tedious, and I'm short tempered.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2021, 14:17:08
Please can you 2 get a room, and do what you need to do.

This is getting tedious, and I'm short tempered.

I've tried to make peace in post #43, but it has been thrown back into my face.  So I will just ignore DG from now on for the sake of everyone. ;)

Frankly I have run out of patience and stamina for these childish insults that have been going on since I rejoined the OOF a good few years back now . :)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 17 December 2021, 14:18:09
Refer to #53
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2021, 14:28:53
Refer to #53

As I have just said, I have been trying to stop this nonsense of me being faulted on every word, every phrase, everything generally  It IS tedious, when even by starting a thread on a true Omega, motoring matter, I still end up being slagged off with now even a mysterious, very childish, term used "TRE", which when I ask the individual to explain it's meaning, like a schoolboy in the playground, he wont or cannot explain what he means.

But anyway, as I say I will play no part in trying to explain myself to him when I post something he wants to yet again fault ;).
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 17 December 2021, 14:34:34
Refer to #53
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 17 December 2021, 15:04:59
Refer to #53

As I have just said, I have been trying to stop this nonsense of me being faulted on every word, every phrase, everything generally  It IS tedious, when even by starting a thread on a true Omega, motoring matter, I still end up being slagged off with now even a mysterious, very childish, term used "TRE", which when I ask the individual to explain it's meaning, like a schoolboy in the playground, he wont or cannot explain what he means.

But anyway, as I say I will play no part in trying to explain myself to him when I post something he wants to yet again fault ;).



Wise move Lizzie.👌
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2021, 16:00:45
Refer to #53

As I have just said, I have been trying to stop this nonsense of me being faulted on every word, every phrase, everything generally  It IS tedious, when even by starting a thread on a true Omega, motoring matter, I still end up being slagged off with now even a mysterious, very childish, term used "TRE", which when I ask the individual to explain it's meaning, like a schoolboy in the playground, he wont or cannot explain what he means.

But anyway, as I say I will play no part in trying to explain myself to him when I post something he wants to yet again fault ;).



Wise move Lizzie.👌

Thanks Rangie, yes it is about time I stopped trying to rectify the rectifiable! :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: STEMO on 17 December 2021, 17:21:28
Refer to #53

As I have just said, I have been trying to stop this nonsense of me being faulted on every word, every phrase, everything generally  It IS tedious, when even by starting a thread on a true Omega, motoring matter, I still end up being slagged off with now even a mysterious, very childish, term used "TRE", which when I ask the individual to explain it's meaning, like a schoolboy in the playground, he wont or cannot explain what he means.

But anyway, as I say I will play no part in trying to explain myself to him when I post something he wants to yet again fault ;).



Wise move Lizzie.👌

Thanks Rangie, yes it is about time I stopped trying to rectify the rectifiable! :y
UNrectifiable  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 December 2021, 17:25:17
Refer to #53

As I have just said, I have been trying to stop this nonsense of me being faulted on every word, every phrase, everything generally  It IS tedious, when even by starting a thread on a true Omega, motoring matter, I still end up being slagged off with now even a mysterious, very childish, term used "TRE", which when I ask the individual to explain it's meaning, like a schoolboy in the playground, he wont or cannot explain what he means.

But anyway, as I say I will play no part in trying to explain myself to him when I post something he wants to yet again fault ;).



Wise move Lizzie.👌

Thanks Rangie, yes it is about time I stopped trying to rectify the rectifiable! :y
UNrectifiable  ;D


Damn!!  :o :o  Thanks Steve!

I am having trouble with my wireless keyboard that often is not recognising the touch of the keys.  I should be checking more often!! ::) ::) :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 19 December 2021, 10:38:55
Its clear you 2 need to get a room. Sort your differences there, not here on every post.

Care not who started what and when, as that would mean me reading the whole thread, and its far more likely I'll just delete the whole thread.

Clearly Lizzie Zoom and Doctor Gollum are each other's Kyptonite, and I can guarantee if one posts on any thread, it gets the other's back up.  And I'm fairly certain that the other always thinks they are being bullied or treated unfairly.  To be honest, I'm not feeling well, and don't have the energy or concentration to engage any form of diplomacy, so I really couldn't care less about childish squabbles and getting the last word in, and the easy (for me) answer is a ban or 2.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2021, 11:14:09
Its clear you 2 need to get a room. Sort your differences there, not here on every post.

Care not who started what and when, as that would mean me reading the whole thread, and its far more likely I'll just delete the whole thread.

Clearly Lizzie Zoom and Doctor Gollum are each other's Kyptonite, and I can guarantee if one posts on any thread, it gets the other's back up.  And I'm fairly certain that the other always thinks they are being bullied or treated unfairly.  To be honest, I'm not feeling well, and don't have the energy or concentration to engage any form of diplomacy, so I really couldn't care less about childish squabbles and getting the last word in, and the easy (for me) answer is a ban or 2.
Quite right, Jaime. That Albs fella could do with a short ban, too. And Opti. And Tigger. I'll have a think if there's anyone else and get back to you  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2021, 11:34:38
Its clear you 2 need to get a room. Sort your differences there, not here on every post.

Care not who started what and when, as that would mean me reading the whole thread, and its far more likely I'll just delete the whole thread.

Clearly Lizzie Zoom and Doctor Gollum are each other's Kyptonite, and I can guarantee if one posts on any thread, it gets the other's back up.  And I'm fairly certain that the other always thinks they are being bullied or treated unfairly.  To be honest, I'm not feeling well, and don't have the energy or concentration to engage any form of diplomacy, so I really couldn't care less about childish squabbles and getting the last word in, and the easy (for me) answer is a ban or 2.

Sorry to cause you problems TB.  It is the last thing you obviously need.  I am now already restricting my posts and as at least one other member has suggested, rise above it.  It is clear I must at last ignore the other persons posts, and I personally will cause you no further issues. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 19 December 2021, 17:43:29
crosland air filter and pollen filters arrived and compared .no obvious fitting differencess and no loosness in casing.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 19 December 2021, 20:05:54
...
  I am now already restricting my posts and  ....

No need to restrict your posts Lizzie. Post what you like, others can agree with you or not, but you don't need the grief off those that disagree with you.  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 19 December 2021, 23:05:06
Crosland paper element oil filters for the V6 (2.6 / 3.2 at least - not sure if 2.5 / 3.0 are the same as I've never owned one!) are currently for sale at 65p each at Euro Car Parts in their Xmas sale if anyone is interested....
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 20 December 2021, 11:06:10
wow now that is a bargain. they wernt on last week.
shame for me but i did buy a job lot of gm ones last summer so im ok but otherswill no doubt be intersted.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2021, 12:24:56
...
  I am now already restricting my posts and  ....

No need to restrict your posts Lizzie. Post what you like, others can agree with you or not, but you don't need the grief off those that disagree with you.  :y

Thanks for that Andy :-* :-* :y

That is the thing Andy, although in my professional life I was used to dealing with some very difficult, criminal,  characters, but was well paid for doing so and met those challenges head on, now I am retired I do not need that grief!  I just want to enjoy the OOF as I have, on and off, since about 2008 "talkling" to some great people like you and others.  It not only gives me wonderful info to keep my Omega / any car going whilst learning so much about other, general chat, topics.  With this thread I just started it to talk about filters, and look what happened - away from General Chat this time!! ::)

I know I can not be agreed with all the time, that is life, but the pure insults and aggro I can do without.  Others, like you have advised me to just rise above certain elements on here, but I am not one to keep my mouth shut for long when challenged (business habits kicking in!)   I must now try and do that to keep TB, and those that can do without this, happy! ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2021, 12:29:19
...............and on the subject of the carbon activated pollen filter, the Crosland one (part no. 507720038) I have bought is fine and certainly is the same size as the existing, Vx, one. ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Carfix on 20 December 2021, 16:48:55
On your advice I ordered a couple of pollen filters. Thank you.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2021, 17:17:48
On your advice I ordered a couple of pollen filters. Thank you.

Thanks, gulp!! :o :o

I just hope that in use they are as good as the original GM/VX ones, but others have recommended this brand and at £1.73 each  (I note even cheaper at the moment on the ECP site) is worth any risk.  We will both find out how good they are! ;D :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 21 December 2021, 00:13:10
https://www.oemgmpartscenter.com/p/Cadillac__Catera/Cabin-Air-Filter-Cabin-Air-Filter-Charcoal/48642869/93165208.html

Genuine is readily available. At a price. And whilst PSA/Stellantis CBA to produce parts for cars they didn't have any part in making, (and their employees certainly have no interest in sourcing them.),  GM does still produce parts for much of its post Millennium production.

Just be mindful that the VX part numbers have often been superceded by more recent ones so a conversation to confirm that NLS doesn't mean totally unavailable is a productive use of a call/email.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 22 December 2021, 23:58:04
Crosland paper element oil filters for the V6 (2.6 / 3.2 at least - not sure if 2.5 / 3.0 are the same as I've never owned one!) are currently for sale at 65p each at Euro Car Parts in their Xmas sale if anyone is interested....

wow now that is a bargain. they wernt on last week.
shame for me but i did buy a job lot of gm ones last summer so im ok but otherswill no doubt be intersted.

Collected my 'job lot' of oil filters today from ECP - maybe the Crosland ones advertised were out of stock, but the ones supplied were in fact Bosch filters. Can't be bad for 65p.
I also bought some of the Fram air filters for £3.29 each - more or less identical to the GM version. I've used Fram filters for years in classic cars and they are good.
Also decided to buy a pair of coated rear vented discs for the 2.6 / 3.2 whilst discounted. £9.62 per disc (£19.24 for the pair) seemed a bargain  :y
The Xmas sale is only on for a few more days if anyone else fancies stocking up on serviceable items.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 December 2021, 11:27:38
Crosland paper element oil filters for the V6 (2.6 / 3.2 at least - not sure if 2.5 / 3.0 are the same as I've never owned one!) are currently for sale at 65p each at Euro Car Parts in their Xmas sale if anyone is interested....

wow now that is a bargain. they wernt on last week.
shame for me but i did buy a job lot of gm ones last summer so im ok but otherswill no doubt be intersted.

Collected my 'job lot' of oil filters today from ECP - maybe the Crosland ones advertised were out of stock, but the ones supplied were in fact Bosch filters. Can't be bad for 65p.
I also bought some of the Fram air filters for £3.29 each - more or less identical to the GM version. I've used Fram filters for years in classic cars and they are good.
Also decided to buy a pair of coated rear vented discs for the 2.6 / 3.2 whilst discounted. £9.62 per disc (£19.24 for the pair) seemed a bargain  :y
The Xmas sale is only on for a few more days if anyone else fancies stocking up on serviceable items.

That's great info for me as I think I will soon need a new set :y.

The front ones were fitted by Vx earlier in the year at a cost far more than that!! :'( :'( :'( ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 23 December 2021, 15:58:02
thanks johhny. il get some discs too whilst that price.

you know .earlier this year i did start having a good sort out to ease an upcoming house move but now my cupboards are filling up again. may have to throw some more plates and glasses out !
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Carfix on 23 December 2021, 16:24:08
Been to Eurocarparts to get a few items as they have a Xmas promotion and a new store has just opened near to me for "click and collect"

Got my stocks of Crossland cabin filters (ECP ref 507720128) for my two pre-facelifts. Excellent snug fit in the plastic frame and look identical to the genuine Vauxhall cabin filters I removed.

Also treated myself to a few Crossland pollen filters  (with a charcoal coating?)  (ECP ref 507720038). Was not sure that they would fit a pre-facelift but tried one out and it fits perfectly.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 23 December 2021, 19:49:27
you know .earlier this year i did start having a good sort out to ease an upcoming house move but now my cupboards are filling up again. may have to throw some more plates and glasses out !

Car parts in your cupboards will be more useful over time than plates or glasses Chris! :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 24 December 2021, 09:05:03
absolutely and im not joking either.
most rooms in my house have car or electrical parts in them.
half of the kitchen cupboards have car spares and tools.
under my bed has 5 or 6 70's valve tv's
still must have asort out soon thou. its all stuff to physically move oneway or another. eventually.

Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 24 December 2021, 10:11:56
absolutely and im not joking either.
most rooms in my house have car or electrical parts in them.
half of the kitchen cupboards have car spares and tools.
under my bed has 5 or 6 70's valve tv's
still must have asort out soon thou. its all stuff to physically move oneway or another. eventually.


Yet another hoarder :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 10:19:20
absolutely and im not joking either.
most rooms in my house have car or electrical parts in them.
half of the kitchen cupboards have car spares and tools.
under my bed has 5 or 6 70's valve tv's
still must have asort out soon thou. its all stuff to physically move oneway or another. eventually.


Yet another hoarder :-X
We're They're everywhere  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 24 December 2021, 10:51:38
absolutely and im not joking either.
most rooms in my house have car or electrical parts in them.
half of the kitchen cupboards have car spares and tools.
under my bed has 5 or 6 70's valve tv's
still must have asort out soon thou. its all stuff to physically move oneway or another. eventually.


Yet another hoarder :-X
We're They're everywhere  ;D


So is their stuff.....
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 24 December 2021, 12:39:10
6 pages of how, why & where to buy a filter ....  ::) ::) ::)  ;D ;D

How about an oil or tyre thread instead ....  :D ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 24 December 2021, 12:49:03
6 pages of how, why & where to buy a filter ....  ::) ::) ::)  ;D ;D

How about an oil or tyre thread instead ....  :D ;D
too late ,I just got oil and Winter tyres ,might stock up on more Vauxhall parts for the Hoard though  ;D

summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 24 December 2021, 12:53:22
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 12:55:52
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
And for Winter?  :D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 24 December 2021, 13:04:40
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
225/55/16 are not listed  :-\  https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4 (https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4)
I don't want to buy even more wheels  :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 24 December 2021, 13:17:14
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
And for Winter?  :D
Pilot Sport 4 for UK drivers.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 24 December 2021, 13:17:52
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
225/55/16 are not listed  :-\  https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4 (https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4)
I don't want to buy even more wheels  :-X
Other tyre outlets available....
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 13:45:52
Camskill to name but one.

Asda Tyres also seem to offer a better choice than Black circles currently.  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 24 December 2021, 14:24:19
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

 ;D


How much will I be paid to fit Michelins?
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 14:46:01
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

 ;D


How much will I be paid to fit Michelins?
£15 per tyre seems to be the going rate ;D

Oh, you meant...  ::)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 24 December 2021, 15:13:21
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

;D
225/55/16 are not listed  :-\  https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4 (https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4)
I don't want to buy even more wheels  :-X
Other tyre outlets available....

Camskill to name but one.

Asda Tyres also seem to offer a better choice than Black circles currently.  :y

But they don't list pilot sport 4 either in the 225/55/16

I suspect that the size is not available/manufactured ,only !7" elite wheels sizes

the offered  Michelin in 225/55/16 is Primacy 4

I'll probably just get  Pirelli Cinturato P7 again as fitted to my rears or Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance 2 again

AFTER the ice- age*  ;D

 just brought 4 Avon winter tyres and had them mounted on 16" CD ronals so there may not be an Ice age now

You can thank me later for the 6 month heatwave we have when i slap the winter wheels on  :D

Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 24 December 2021, 15:31:45
summer tyre thread perhaps ,then in 6 months of posts, we might have narrowed it down to 10 or so recommended brands/types  ;D
And the answer is still gong to be (from what is still available) Pilot Sport 4. End of.

 ;D


How much will I be paid to fit Michelins?
After the abortion of a tyre that was Pilot Sport 2 and Pilot Sport 3, I would normally agree.

But Pilot Super Sport and Pilot Sport 4 are excellent tyres, right down to the legal limit.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 15:53:45
You've never been able to get a PS4 in a 16" Omega size... Likewise the Continentals? that Gixer used to swear by.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 24 December 2021, 16:08:57
You've never been able to get a PS4 in a 16" Omega size... Likewise the Continentals? that Gixer used to swear by.
explains why i can't find a supplier then  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 24 December 2021, 16:32:55
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 24 December 2021, 16:49:21
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.


Whatever gives you that idea??? They're on Volvos, C&E class Mercs, big Renaults(that may not be a good indicator for common ;D ), Hondas, Audi A4&6, Citroens and BMWs. And others


All of the well known tyre brands still have them available.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 24 December 2021, 17:17:49
You've never been able to get a PS4 in a 16" Omega size... Likewise the Continentals? that Gixer used to swear by.

Who?  ??? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 24 December 2021, 20:41:53
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.


Whatever gives you that idea??? They're on Volvos, C&E class Mercs, big Renaults(that may not be a good indicator for common ;D ), Hondas, Audi A4&6, Citroens and BMWs. And others


All of the well known tyre brands still have them available.
I was aware they were used on poverty spec E39s and some E Class, but no experience of the others. Makes sense that they were more widely used.  ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 26 December 2021, 10:24:32
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.


Whatever gives you that idea??? They're on Volvos, C&E class Mercs, big Renaults(that may not be a good indicator for common ;D ), Hondas, Audi A4&6, Citroens and BMWs. And others


All of the well known tyre brands still have them available.
OK, significantly less common than other sizes fitted to Omegas. And by todays standards, fairly uncommon.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 26 December 2021, 11:36:56
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.


Whatever gives you that idea??? They're on Volvos, C&E class Mercs, big Renaults(that may not be a good indicator for common ;D ), Hondas, Audi A4&6, Citroens and BMWs. And others


All of the well known tyre brands still have them available.
OK, significantly less common than other sizes fitted to Omegas. And by todays standards, fairly uncommon.


The last time I bought tyres for my estate, the firm I normally use didn't have any 235/45 17s. His comment was that they were used on a few cars, so he only kept a pair in stock and had sold those the day before. He said I had a choice of 225/55 16s, as they're common.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 26 December 2021, 12:32:35
The Omega 16" size is an uncommon size, and a pain to change from without having the capability to reprogram a load of ecus.


Whatever gives you that idea??? They're on Volvos, C&E class Mercs, big Renaults(that may not be a good indicator for common ;D ), Hondas, Audi A4&6, Citroens and BMWs. And others


All of the well known tyre brands still have them available.
OK, significantly less common than other sizes fitted to Omegas. And by todays standards, fairly uncommon.


The last time I bought tyres for my estate, the firm I normally use didn't have any 235/45 17s. His comment was that they were used on a few cars, so he only kept a pair in stock and had sold those the day before. He said I had a choice of 225/55 16s, as they're common.

I fitted 17" face lift rims to my MFL in place of the OE 16" .... tyres were then cheaper as they were easier to find.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 26 December 2021, 13:12:10
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 26 December 2021, 14:02:15
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.


Indeed, but when you only have work space for three cars at a time, yet fit over 200 tyres a day you're going to choose carefully which sizes are actually worth keeping in stock.


Part of what we're seeing here is the modern 'need' for large tyres, even on small cars. It's not that long ago that a 205/60 13 was quite exotic(only ever fitted to 2.8i Capris as standard) compared to the 165 or 185/70 that were on most small to medium sized cars, or the 225/70 15 that was on flashy stuff like XJs.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 26 December 2021, 14:05:34
Had everything in 30 years from a Fiat 126 to the Range Rover never had to go anywhere else, can't praise them highly enough .
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 26 December 2021, 14:07:12
.....
Part of what we're seeing here is the modern 'need' for large tyres, even on small cars. It's not that long ago that a 205/60 13 was quite exotic(only ever fitted to 2.8i Capris as standard) compared to the 165 or 185/70 that were on most small to medium sized cars, or the 225/70 15 that was on flashy stuff like XJs.

Even my Smarts have 15" rims  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 December 2021, 14:53:11
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.


Indeed, but when you only have work space for three cars at a time, yet fit over 200 tyres a day you're going to choose carefully which sizes are actually worth keeping in stock.


Part of what we're seeing here is the modern 'need' for large tyres, even on small cars. It's not that long ago that a 205/60 13 was quite exotic(only ever fitted to 2.8i Capris as standard) compared to the 165 or 185/70 that were on most small to medium sized cars, or the 225/70 15 that was on flashy stuff like XJs.

Also standard fit on Chevette HS. £50 a corner was the best part of a weeks wages at the time.  :)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 27 December 2021, 14:30:31
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.
Only if the manufacturer makes them in that size ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 27 December 2021, 15:57:08
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.
Only if the manufacturer makes them in that size ;)
.

Talk about stating the bloody obvious..😂😂😂
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 27 December 2021, 16:36:16
Never had any problems getting any size tyres from our local tyre shop always within 48 hours, used them for over 30 years.
Only if the manufacturer makes them in that size ;)
.

Talk about stating the bloody obvious..😂😂😂
Which was the point people were trying to make - less common sizes means that not all options are available, no matter how good your local tyre place is ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 27 December 2021, 16:56:42
Well my tyreshop must be the exception , because I've had all types of cars therefore all types of tyres and never been disappointed ,those that know, know as they say.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: TheBoy on 27 December 2021, 18:00:50
Well my tyreshop must be the exception , because I've had all types of cars therefore all types of tyres and never been disappointed ,those that know, know as they say.
Michelin make PS4 in 225/55/16 especially for your tyre place and nobody else?  That's impressive.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 27 December 2021, 18:31:11
Well my tyreshop must be the exception , because I've had all types of cars therefore all types of tyres and never been disappointed ,those that know, know as they say.
Michelin make PS4 in 225/55/16 especially for your tyre place and nobody else?  That's impressive.
.

Never ever bought Michelin they've always advised against them, normally Pirelli ,Vredestein & most recently Yokohama excellent experience with the Yokohama's.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 December 2021, 19:04:58
They're obviously good sales people then... Only selling what they stock rather than serving the customers  :D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Nick W on 27 December 2021, 19:57:02
They're obviously good sales people then... Only selling what they stock rather than serving the customers  :D


It would take one hell of a salesman to sell me a Michelin. Pirelli or Continental if I'm feeling flush, but I tend to just buy higher end budget brands that I've heard of.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 27 December 2021, 20:09:01
Always put Continental on my Mercs when I had them they were pretty dear but came with them when new, was told many years ago that Michelin were not up to scratch by a mate in the trade.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 27 December 2021, 21:25:32
After buying my first 3.2 Omega in 2004, I used Dunlops, Goodyears, Hankooks and Michelins on it (I was doing highish mileages at that time). I can't remember what it had on it when I got it, but the Michelins I had fitted were by far the best tyre for me.
My Audi had Pirelli P Zero Rossos from new (which were true 'ditchfinders'), before reverting to Michelins. The Michelins are far superior in handling, wear, feel, and road noise. The only other make which I felt happy with was Continental, but I wouldn't particularly choose them over Michelins.
ATS have periodic deals with Michelin tyres which I try to make use of; the last set of 17" I bought saved me over £120 fitted on the cost for a set of 4 compared with all other suppliers, which makes them a good buy.
Everyone has their own perceptions about tyres. Some just need them to be round,  black and as cheap as possible, whilst others can actually 'feel' and 'hear' the benefit in fitting better quality tyres.
I hope this isn't becoming a tyre debate now we've exhausted oil, air, pollen filters..... :-X

Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: VXL V6 on 27 December 2021, 21:52:15
.......
The Michelins are far superior in handling, wear, feel, and road noise. The only other make which I felt happy with was Continental, but I wouldn't particularly choose them over Michelins.
.......
Everyone has their own perceptions about tyres. Some just need them to be round,  black and as cheap as possible, whilst others can actually 'feel' and 'hear' the benefit in fitting better quality tyres.
......

For a daily 'all season tyre' i've been using Uniroyal Rainsport 3's  and 5's, but have to agree the Michelin PS4 is by far the best tyre in virtually every aspect i've ever had fitted to an Omega, better than the previous Dunlop Sport Max RT ad Continental SC3

Of course, ask 100 people what tyre they recommend and you'll get 100 different answers ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 27 December 2021, 22:08:44
I have a set of 4 Uniroyal 680's 'The Rain Tyre' on a classic Triumph, and I have agree - Uniroyals are a very good and quite an underrated tyre.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 27 December 2021, 22:31:10
After buying my first 3.2 Omega in 2004, I used Dunlops, Goodyears, Hankooks and Michelins on it (I was doing highish mileages at that time). I can't remember what it had on it when I got it, but the Michelins I had fitted were by far the best tyre for me.
My Audi had Pirelli P Zero Rossos from new (which were true 'ditchfinders'), before reverting to Michelins. The Michelins are far superior in handling, wear, feel, and road noise.............

I agree with all of the above. I will never buy Pirelli tyres ever again after my experience of them. My Audi A6 Avant left the factory with Bridgestone Potenza tyres, which I binned for Michelin PS 4S. It totally transformed the car in the way described above.  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 27 December 2021, 22:43:40
How about antifreeze pink or blue ?
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: YZ250 on 27 December 2021, 22:49:50
How about antifreeze pink or blue ?

Pink, it just looks so much nicer.  :y ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 27 December 2021, 22:53:23
How about antifreeze pink or blue ?
depends on if your car identifies as male or female
also, that's a bit NON PC
there are many "other" colours of antifreeze because "diversity"  ;D
all but 1 of my fleet are female
one is male because i had a glut of blue antifreeze at the time ,so "Jeremy" is male  :P
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 December 2021, 23:34:11
I have a set of 4 Uniroyal 680's 'The Rain Tyre' on a classic Triumph, and I have agree - Uniroyals are a very good and quite an underrated tyre.
That's probably over tyred for an Acclaim. The horse at the end of the road is shod with metal... Cheap and lasts for ages.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 December 2021, 23:35:43
How about antifreeze pink or blue ?
depends on if your car identifies as male or female
also, that's a bit NON PC
there are many "other" colours of antifreeze because "diversity"  ;D
all but 1 of my fleet are female
one is male because i had a glut of blue antifreeze at the time ,so "Jeremy" is male  :P
Pink suits the RRS. The Alabama Mumsybus uses orange because it can.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: johnnydog on 27 December 2021, 23:52:29
I have a set of 4 Uniroyal 680's 'The Rain Tyre' on a classic Triumph, and I have agree - Uniroyals are a very good and quite an underrated tyre.
That's probably over tyred for an Acclaim. The horse at the end of the road is shod with metal... Cheap and lasts for ages.
Yes, I agree - Woosungs or Nankangs for an Acclaim ;D....but not for what I've got.....;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 28 December 2021, 10:11:06
my classics have all got goodyear gt2 on them.before that grand prix s.
omega has efficient grip which are a nice soft tyre and perfect for the mileage i do.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 28 December 2021, 11:06:59
Brake fluid let's try brake fluid , tyres are boring now.
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 December 2021, 11:43:21
my classics have all got goodyear gt2 on them.before that grand prix s.
omega has efficient grip which are a nice soft tyre and perfect for the mileage i do.
Standard  Plod tyre was the Excellence that preceded it. Capable tyre but struggle to last much past 12k of you drive it :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 28 December 2021, 17:14:02
yeah the excellence is a good tyre but much harder( is it a runflat ? certainly much harder sidewall
ls ?) i did have a pair on mine for a month but they wernt as comfy.so went back to others.
my brother has still got them on the back of his and currently on 25000 miles and half worn !
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 28 December 2021, 19:37:10
None of the ones I had fitted were run flats, nor should they have been on the Omega  ;)
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: cam.in.head on 28 December 2021, 22:11:09
maybee not i just noticed that they had much stronger sidewalls. maybee they were extra load.

either way .just an observation noted over othertyres
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 December 2021, 04:22:16
maybee not i just noticed that they had much stronger sidewalls. maybee they were extra load.

either way .just an observation noted over othertyres
I hadn't considered the load rating tbh. That car always had XL tyres, so perhaps it always felt normal  :y
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 29 December 2021, 12:38:50
Brake fluid let's try brake fluid , tyres are boring now.

A bloke I know drinks loads of the stuff. I told him he is addicted, but he said he can stop any time he wants.


I,ll get me coat.  ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: STEMO on 29 December 2021, 12:42:28
Brake fluid let's try brake fluid , tyres are boring now.

A bloke I know drinks loads of the stuff. I told him he is addicted, but he said he can stop any time he wants.


I,ll get me coat.  ;D
Old but good, Albs  ;D

The joke, not you  :-X
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 29 December 2021, 12:48:11
Not heard that one, excellent I like it..😂😂😂
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Andy B on 29 December 2021, 15:21:26
Not heard that one, excellent I like it..😂😂😂
Where have been?  :D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 29 December 2021, 15:28:57
Not heard that one, excellent I like it..😂😂😂
Where have been?  :D
In prison apparently    ;D
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: Rangie on 29 December 2021, 15:41:07
Not heard that one, excellent I like it..😂😂😂
Where have been?  :D
In prison apparently    ;D



Correct 23 years ! I use to be a regular at a Chinese restaurant in town then didn't go for about 3 years, when I eventually returned the owner remarked that he hadn't seen me for quite a while, I told him that I'd just got out of prison the service I got was excellent that evening & still is to this day, haven't got the heart to tell him that I'm not a ruthless drug dealer..😂😂😂
Title: Re: Pollen & Air Filters
Post by: dave the builder on 29 December 2021, 15:59:17
Bonus ...
if you just got out of jail you can claim free housing and loads of beer money  :P