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[Doctor Gollum]

You won't see this in the news

[Sir Tigger KC]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Is that your surprised face? 

[dave the builder]

copied and pasted 

Hospitals full to overflowing with people NEEDING treatment for Covid 19 meant that 175,000 excess deaths where recorded.

[STEMO]

Thing is....the people with underlying conditions wouldn't have died (now) unless they caught covid, so I think this is a red herring. That's probably why it hasn't been reported.

[Doctor Gollum]

copied and pasted 

Hospitals full to overflowing with people NEEDING treatment for Covid 19 meant that 175,000 excess deaths where recorded.

If you get enough bandwidth under the mattress, you might watch the whole video...

127,704 is the discrepancy number against the five year average. And the average age of those who died solely from TCV is 82, which is towards the upper end of UK life expectancy.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Thing is....the people with underlying conditions wouldn't have died (now) unless they caught covid, so I think this is a red herring. That's probably why it hasn't been reported.

Thing is... There were those who would have died anyway covid or not, but happened to have tested positive within 28 days of their death so of course they died of covid. 

[STEMO]

Thing is....the people with underlying conditions wouldn't have died (now) unless they caught covid, so I think this is a red herring. That's probably why it hasn't been reported.

Thing is... There were those who would have died anyway covid or not, but happened to have tested positive within 28 days of their death so of course they died of covid. 

Correct. So we can't say with any accuracy the actual number, but I think it's a lot more than 17,000.
I also don't really care 

[dave the builder]

copied and pasted 

Hospitals full to overflowing with people NEEDING treatment for Covid 19 meant that 175,000 excess deaths where recorded.

If you get enough bandwidth under the mattress, you might watch the whole video...

127,704 is the discrepancy number against the five year average. And the average age of those who died solely from TCV is 82, which is towards the upper end of UK life expectancy.

I've seen the video 
maybe you should watch it again and TRY and understand the numbers


As you have such a fascination with my mattress DG  here you go ....

clicky

mine's the super king with Dual motionless Mattresses

knock yourself out 

[Rangie]

You could say any number you like & you can also believe anything you like so in reality it's all boll ocks. Who could actually be sure ?

[LC0112G]

127,704 is the discrepancy number against the five year average. And the average age of those who died solely from TCV is 82, which is towards the upper end of UK life expectancy.

The average age of 82 is very similar to the normal average life expectancy. However, this is a bad thing. What it means is that the number of people who died only of Covid matches the normal distribution of UK deaths - which means that whatever your age is, your risk of dying only of Covid is increased by a similar amount.

It's also not "towards the upper end of UK life expectancy" since life expectancy is itself an average. Therefore as many people live to be older than 82 as die before 82.

IMV the 127K figure is as close as we're going to get to a true value for those who have died either of or because of Covid. If you have heart problems then that will likely be on your death certficate when you finally kick the bucket, but if well managed you may live for an extra 20-30 years. However, catch a respiratory diesese such as Covid and the extra stress on your heart and lungs could do for you fairly rapidly.

[STEMO]

Thing is....the people with underlying conditions wouldn't have died (now) unless they caught covid, so I think this is a red herring. That's probably why it hasn't been reported.

Thing is... There were those who would have died anyway covid or not, but happened to have tested positive within 28 days of their death so of course they died of covid. 

Correct. So we can't say with any accuracy the actual number, but I think it's a lot more than 17,000.
I also don't really care 

And don't start with the  , or I'll be thinking you've been listening to someone 

[dave the builder]

no one's even mentioned the bus that kills everyone testing positive yet so I guess I have too 

[STEMO]

127,704 is the discrepancy number against the five year average. And the average age of those who died solely from TCV is 82, which is towards the upper end of UK life expectancy.

The average age of 82 is very similar to the normal average life expectancy. However, this is a bad thing. What it means is that the number of people who died only of Covid matches the normal distribution of UK deaths - which means that whatever your age is, your risk of dying only of Covid is increased by a similar amount.

It's also not "towards the upper end of UK life expectancy" since life expectancy is itself an average. Therefore as many people live to be older than 82 as die before 82.

IMV the 127K figure is as close as we're going to get to a true value for those who have died either of or because of Covid. If you have heart problems then that will likely be on your death certficate when you finally kick the bucket, but if well managed you may live for an extra 20-30 years. However, catch a respiratory diesese such as Covid and the extra stress on your heart and lungs could do for you fairly rapidly.

I agree. When the inevitable public inquiry takes place, there will no doubt be stupid, unanswerable questions like 'How many lives were saved by locking down?'.
Who cares? It was/is a nasty virus that is responsible for a lot of deaths and those of us who have come through unscathed should be thankful, whether it's down to personal responsibility or just plain luck.

[Rangie]

no one's even mentioned the bus that kills everyone testing positive yet so I guess I have too 

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Make sure you have clean pants on when you get hit by the bus.
Best advice I can offer..😄

[dave the builder]

no one's even mentioned the bus that kills everyone testing positive yet so I guess I have too 

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Make sure you have clean pants on when you get hit by the bus.
Best advice I can offer..😄

Thanks 
I tend to avoid walking in front of busses though 
I've done several LFTs ,all negative  but if the LFT is wrong then that bus could kill me and make me part of the daily death figures 

[Rangie]

I stopped going to work in March 2020 as I am diabetic, retired in June 2020 not even had a cold since then & every test I've done has been negative so just lucky I guess.

[Sir Tigger KC]

You could say any number you like & you can also believe anything you like so in reality it's all boll ocks. Who could actually be sure ?

The 17,000 figure came from the Office of National Statistics after a freedom of information request, so it's probably reasonable to take it at face value.

[Rangie]

You could say any number you like & you can also believe anything you like so in reality it's all boll ocks. Who could actually be sure ?

The 17,000 figure came from the Office of National Statistics after a freedom of information request, so it's probably reasonable to take it at face value.

.

And they've all probably been working from home , for at least 10 minutes a day..😂

[Doctor Gollum]

As I clicked the link I thought "I bet it's a watered"

You didn't disappoint

[Doctor Gollum]

You could say any number you like & you can also believe anything you like so in reality it's all boll ocks. Who could actually be sure ?

The 17,000 figure came from the Office of National Statistics after a freedom of information request, so it's probably reasonable to take it at face value.

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And they've all probably been working from home , for at least 10 minutes a day..😂

And that's the problem... The whole system is at a virtual standstill because people can't be bothered to get out of bed to go to work.

[78bex]

The rules changed for self certification due to illness ; 7 days became 28 days for a self sick note & the usual piss takers at work lapped it up   

  https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave

This is a  temporary measure & put in place so that surgeries can get the booster shots done 

I`ve since heard that this will end towards the end of January.
One of these boys has already called in to say he  wants light duties only when he returns next Monday 
                                     

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

Not much about Beijing Barry either.....

5 straight days on George Floyd though including all 3 of his funerals.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

127,704 is the discrepancy number against the five year average. And the average age of those who died solely from TCV is 82, which is towards the upper end of UK life expectancy.

The average age of 82 is very similar to the normal average life expectancy. However, this is a bad thing. What it means is that the number of people who died only of Covid matches the normal distribution of UK deaths - which means that whatever your age is, your risk of dying only of Covid is increased by a similar amount.

It's also not "towards the upper end of UK life expectancy" since life expectancy is itself an average. Therefore as many people live to be older than 82 as die before 82.

IMV the 127K figure is as close as we're going to get to a true value for those who have died either of or because of Covid. If you have heart problems then that will likely be on your death certficate when you finally kick the bucket, but if well managed you may live for an extra 20-30 years. However, catch a respiratory diesese such as Covid and the extra stress on your heart and lungs could do for you fairly rapidly.

I agree. When the inevitable public inquiry takes place, there will no doubt be stupid, unanswerable questions like 'How many lives were saved by locking down?'.
Who cares? It was/is a nasty virus that is responsible for a lot of deaths and those of us who have come through unscathed should be thankful, whether it's down to personal responsibility or just plain luck.

Not sure it has much to do with luck.

The primary reason more than 99% off people survive is because it really isn't as deadly as we were told. We have been duped.

Caution, yes.....much like trying not to catch a cold or flu.

'End of the world hysteria'......I'll leave that for teenage vegan girls.

[Raeturbo]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

Not much about Beijing Barry either.....

5 straight days on George Floyd though including all 3 of his funerals.

         Yes but he was a national hero though👏🏿

[Sir Tigger KC]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

Not much about Beijing Barry either.....

5 straight days on George Floyd though including all 3 of his funerals.

Can you imagine the uproar and outrage if it emerged that Jacob Rees Mogg had taken half a mill from a Chinese spy!   

[Rangie]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

Not much about Beijing Barry either.....

5 straight days on George Floyd though including all 3 of his funerals.

         Yes but he was a national hero though👏🏿

. 


I wonder if his " heartbroken" brother who appeared on TV has had his share of the compensation yet ? Allegedly runs into millions he will be able to expand his drug dealing enterprise way across the USA.

[Mister Rog]

I got fed up with seeing all sorts of numbers. "With" or "Of" Covid etc.
I looked at TOTAL registered deaths regardless of cause 2011 to 2021, and took into account estimated population increase. Just England and Wales, sourced from ONS

To cut a long story short, (I can't be arsed to upload a screen of the spreadsheet)

% of population that die each year was around .86% from 2011 to 2019
% of population that died in 2020 was 1.02% (no numbers yet for December 2021)
In actual numbers, 9 year average 2011 to 2019 was 515,168
2020 was 607,019

So, not near the 150K claimed by the doom mongers, but still quite a few. And, deaths will have increased due to lack of treatment by NHS to some extent.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I got fed up with seeing all sorts of numbers. "With" or "Of" Covid etc.
I looked at TOTAL registered deaths regardless of cause 2011 to 2021, and took into account estimated population increase. Just England and Wales, sourced from ONS

To cut a long story short, (I can't be arsed to upload a screen of the spreadsheet)

% of population that die each year was around .86% from 2011 to 2019
% of population that died in 2020 was 1.02% (no numbers yet for December 2021)
In actual numbers, 9 year average 2011 to 2019 was 515,168
2020 was 607,019

So, not near the 150K claimed by the doom mongers, but still quite a few. And, deaths will have increased due to lack of treatment by NHS to some extent.

.....and maybe we should also take into account the reduction in "travelling" accidents due to many not going into offices and stuck at home during the real lock down 1.

PS just lifted this from an official Government Report for 2020:
"Headline figures
an estimated 1,460 reported road deaths in 2020 which includes a total of 4 months of national lockdown (April to June and November)
an estimated 23,529 killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties in 2020, a decrease of 22% compared to the same period in 2019
115,584 casualties of all severities in 2020, down by 25% from 2019
the reduction in road traffic followed a similar trend in the same period and decreased by 21%
pedal cyclist casualty rates per billion vehicle miles saw the greatest percentage decrease (34%) compared to all other road user types"

Interesting!

[Doctor Gollum]

It was reported on GB News yesterday and the figure they quoted was 17,000 who died from Covid and had no other health issues.

Didn't see it reported on the BBC. 

Not much about Beijing Barry either.....

5 straight days on George Floyd though including all 3 of his funerals.

         Yes but he was a Complete Utter Narcotics Taster though👏🏿

Like Ton E B Liar?

[Mister Rog]

I got fed up with seeing all sorts of numbers. "With" or "Of" Covid etc.
I looked at TOTAL registered deaths regardless of cause 2011 to 2021, and took into account estimated population increase. Just England and Wales, sourced from ONS

To cut a long story short, (I can't be arsed to upload a screen of the spreadsheet)

% of population that die each year was around .86% from 2011 to 2019
% of population that died in 2020 was 1.02% (no numbers yet for December 2021)
In actual numbers, 9 year average 2011 to 2019 was 515,168
2020 was 607,019

So, not near the 150K claimed by the doom mongers, but still quite a few. And, deaths will have increased due to lack of treatment by NHS to some extent.

.....and maybe we should also take into account the reduction in "travelling" accidents due to many not going into offices and stuck at home during the real lock down 1.

PS just lifted this from an official Government Report for 2020:
"Headline figures
an estimated 1,460 reported road deaths in 2020 which includes a total of 4 months of national lockdown (April to June and November)
an estimated 23,529 killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties in 2020, a decrease of 22% compared to the same period in 2019
115,584 casualties of all severities in 2020, down by 25% from 2019
the reduction in road traffic followed a similar trend in the same period and decreased by 21%
pedal cyclist casualty rates per billion vehicle miles saw the greatest percentage decrease (34%) compared to all other road user types"

Interesting!

Well yes. But once one starts over analysing it all get very convoluted

I just wanted to boil it all down to overall death impact.

TBH, it's all still peanuts compared with some other past global pandemics.

and . . . . . . we need to keep the population down somehow . . . . .     

Oooooooops

[Doctor Gollum]

Good luck with that...

[Mister Rog]

Good luck with that...

I may suggest it to Boris as a way of reducing the future state pension liability. Oh, hang on . . . 
 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I got fed up with seeing all sorts of numbers. "With" or "Of" Covid etc.
I looked at TOTAL registered deaths regardless of cause 2011 to 2021, and took into account estimated population increase. Just England and Wales, sourced from ONS

To cut a long story short, (I can't be arsed to upload a screen of the spreadsheet)

% of population that die each year was around .86% from 2011 to 2019
% of population that died in 2020 was 1.02% (no numbers yet for December 2021)
In actual numbers, 9 year average 2011 to 2019 was 515,168
2020 was 607,019

So, not near the 150K claimed by the doom mongers, but still quite a few. And, deaths will have increased due to lack of treatment by NHS to some extent.

.....and maybe we should also take into account the reduction in "travelling" accidents due to many not going into offices and stuck at home during the real lock down 1.

PS just lifted this from an official Government Report for 2020:
"Headline figures
an estimated 1,460 reported road deaths in 2020 which includes a total of 4 months of national lockdown (April to June and November)
an estimated 23,529 killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties in 2020, a decrease of 22% compared to the same period in 2019
115,584 casualties of all severities in 2020, down by 25% from 2019
the reduction in road traffic followed a similar trend in the same period and decreased by 21%
pedal cyclist casualty rates per billion vehicle miles saw the greatest percentage decrease (34%) compared to all other road user types"

Interesting!

Well yes. But once one starts over analysing it all get very convoluted

I just wanted to boil it all down to overall death impact.

TBH, it's all still peanuts compared with some other past global pandemics.

and . . . . . . we need to keep the population down somehow . . . . .     

Oooooooops

Well, if the Ukraine little ding dong kicks off, that will easily be resolved!

[TheBoy]

and . . . . . . we need to keep the population down somehow . . . . .     

I've been shouting that for years, but that pesky Lizzie Zoom calls me a Nazi

The Chinese Sniffle would never, ever cull enough to the levels I would like to see....

[TheBoy]

The primary reason more than 99% off people survive is because it really isn't as deadly as we were told.

This strain is 3 times less likely to put you in ICU.  Trouble is, the figures were running at over 3 times the previous peak infection rates.

The infection rate figures are now meaningless, as the messaging has gone out by Buffoon Boris that its all done and dusted, so nobody is testing.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The primary reason more than 99% off people survive is because it really isn't as deadly as we were told.

This strain is 3 times less likely to put you in ICU.  Trouble is, the figures were running at over 3 times the previous peak infection rates.

The infection rate figures are now meaningless, as the messaging has gone out by Buffoon Boris that its all done and dusted, so nobody is testing.

On 20th Jan (latest data) 1,370,093 tests were recorded in the UK, so I don't know how you can claim that?   

[LC0112G]

The primary reason more than 99% off people survive is because it really isn't as deadly as we were told.

This strain is 3 times less likely to put you in ICU.  Trouble is, the figures were running at over 3 times the previous peak infection rates.

The infection rate figures are now meaningless, as the messaging has gone out by Buffoon Boris that its all done and dusted, so nobody is testing.

On 20th Jan (latest data) 1,370,093 tests were recorded in the UK, so I don't know how you can claim that?   

Of which, only 429K were PCR, plus about 3K LFT's done in a lab. The remaining 937K tests were self administered LFT at home/school/work.

I have very little faith in self administered tests.

[Lizzie Zoom]

and . . . . . . we need to keep the population down somehow . . . . .     

I've been shouting that for years, but that pesky Lizzie Zoom calls me a Nazi

The Chinese Sniffle would never, ever cull enough to the levels I would like to see....

Yes TB, I have watched tonight a PBS America a 2021 report on Germany, the Neo-Nazis and the Far Right and what is going on in that country could make you feel at home!

Members of the armed forces, police, police staff, and general Neo Nazis have formed into groups to eradicate immigrants and anyone who is not of pure white origins, with murders of Jews already happening.  Not only that but they are all preparing for “The Day” when German politics become unstable and they rise up to take political and actual control with Jews and all immigrants “removed” then disposed of! Already thousands of rounds of munitions and associated weapons have been stolen from the police and army stores, but the authorities seem to be out of touch with the seriousness of this right wing threat. Insider influence at the top levels? Very possibly.

Sounds familiar?

Your day may come yet

However, the programme has seriously worried me as where could this end again?

COVID could be the least of our challenges!

[TheBoy]

Ms Zoom, remember you called me a Nazi. I never said I was a Nazi.  What Hitler did was genocide.

My cull wouldn't be along religious, colour, sex etc lines.

The cull is the answer to most of the UK's problems, if you think it through.  Those that can't see that are politely asked to queue for inclusion into the cull list

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Ms Zoom, remember you called me a Nazi. I never said I was a Nazi.  What Hitler did was genocide.

My cull wouldn't be along religious, colour, sex etc lines.

The cull is the answer to most of the UK's problems, if you think it through.  Those that can't see that are politely asked to queue for inclusion into the cull list

Who would be allowed to live?

......other than Shami.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Will the cull be made up solely of retards?

....so they can't reproduce.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Obviously I'm saying this tongue in cheek but this approach was considered a pretty normal route to take by so called 'intellectuals' as recent as as the 1930/1940/1950s.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Ms Zoom, remember you called me a Nazi. I never said I was a Nazi.  What Hitler did was genocide.

My cull wouldn't be along religious, colour, sex etc lines.

The cull is the answer to most of the UK's problems, if you think it through.  Those that can't see that are politely asked to queue for inclusion into the cull list

  I NEVER did!  Just reminded you a few times of that man Adolf.

As for your cull, I think World events will again give you that

[Sir Tigger KC]

Obviously I'm saying this tongue in cheek but this approach was considered a pretty normal route to take by so called 'intellectuals' as recent as as the 1930/1940/1950s.

Eugenics? 

[STEMO]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237

[Doctor Gollum]

Not an ounce of irony in her job title...

"Health and disinformation reporter"

So, an article written by someone whose job requires the reporting of disinformation... 

Not that that should interrupt a good bout of scaremongering hysteria.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

[STEMO]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

You believe it...I worry about you.

[STEMO]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

You believe it...I worry about you.

No need to worry about me, old chap, I live on planet earth. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

Well, they've effectively redacted information that they themselves released as part of an FOI. Obviously it didn't comply with the party line of viral armageddon.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not an ounce of irony in her job title...

"Health and disinformation reporter"

So, an article written by someone whose job requires the reporting of disinformation... 

Not that that should interrupt a good bout of scaremongering hysteria.

Is this job title for real or a piss take of a George Orwell novel...

It looks like the position didn't exist before October 2021.....probably part of a diversity, inclusion, and now disinformation policy, that the BBC are so fond of.

[STEMO]

The thing is......what difference does it make? If you're trying to say that governments lie.....we know already. But, apart from having a rant periodically, there's very little that anyone can do, or even want to do. They make the law, we follow the law. The reasoning behind that law is not for us to challenge, except on conspiracy sites and car forums.
It does give me plenty of ammunition to wind people up for my own amusement, so that's one good thing about it.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

So the stat that only 17,000 people died of Covid without any other pre existing conditions is correct. No? 

[Doctor Gollum]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

So the stat that only 17,000 people died of Covid without any other pre existing conditions is correct. No? 

God forbid that little detail would make it into the disinformation report... 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I wouldn't believe the BBC if they told me the Earth was round and took 365 days to circle a large fiery ball.

Quite. Trump News is much more truthful 
The BBC were quoting figures from the ONS, that's the office for national statistics, but they were probably lying too. 

So the stat that only 17,000 people died of Covid without any other pre existing conditions is correct. No? 

God forbid that little detail would make it into the disinformation report... 

Quite. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Dr Campbell fact checking the BBC disinformation...

[Doctor Gollum]

Dr Campbells take on vaccine mandates...