Topic: Tool Pool (Read 5546 times)

Ronald_McBurger · « **on:** 14 February 2007, 15:14:19 »

Just an idea, but how about a 'tool pool' for the more elaborate things, like an engine hoist? If we all chipped in say £2 each, we could easily raise £1000. Engine hoists, decent jacks, camn kits etc.

Maybe laidback could oversee the finances and We could just pass the tools around as and when anyone needs them?

So, Thelodian could borrow the hoist and then hold on to it until the next person needs it, then we just have to organise a relay to pass it to whoever needs it next.

Like I say, just a thought. So any comments?

Markie · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 February 2007, 15:22:49 »

Good Call

May not be able to include us jocks but then again I Think theres A link from Edinburgh to Glasgow to Carlisle to Further South.....

MaxV6 · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 February 2007, 15:28:45 »

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Just an idea, but how about a 'tool pool' for the more elaborate things, like an engine hoist? If we all chipped in say £2 each, we could easily raise £1000. Engine hoists, decent jacks, camn kits etc.

Maybe laidback could oversee the finances and We could just pass the tools around as and when anyone needs them?

So, Thelodian could borrow the hoist and then hold on to it until the next person needs it, then we just have to organise a relay to pass it to whoever needs it next.

Like I say, just a thought. So any comments?

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Definitely can't be the Real Ronnie McB surely?

that actually resembles a good idea !!

Sorry.... couldn't resist it....

in all seriousness, although it would take some effort and time to organise, and stay on top of...... I'd say this was actually one of the best ideas I've come across in such forums....

TheBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 February 2007, 15:49:17 »

It has been discussed privately, but some stuff is too big/heavy to post etc, so not sure how useful in a national community...

nixoro · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 February 2007, 15:54:17 »

Personally I like the idea but as mentioned some items are heavy and delivery would be hard, another of my thoughts was who would cover the costs of replacing damaged tools my guess the oweness would be on whoever breaks it or it could be a case of paying a subscription for the privilege of using the tools and so the raised funds could be used to cover the cost of damaged tools.

tunnie · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 February 2007, 15:57:55 »

i'd like a decent monster jack, omegatoy very kindly lent me his for the afternoon last weekend.

It made the job SO much easier, monster jack underneath centre of the car from the bonnet, jacked it on cross beam, got is so high very easily, put the 2 stands either side and lower slowly.

Much, MUCH better than the tiny POS jack I have

Problem is they are too heavy.... but if anyone see's those monster type ones you see in ATS type places on sale let me know..

sounds2k · « **Reply #6 on:** 14 February 2007, 16:02:01 »

... something like this from machine mart, £60

I have one, they're a bit heavy though!!

tunnie · « **Reply #7 on:** 14 February 2007, 16:06:27 »

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... something like this from machine mart, £60

I have one, they're a bit heavy though!!

Thats the type of one, although the one i borrowed was bigger. It was quite a bit longer... very similar to MarkDTM's

Trouble is with that in a tool pool its too heavy and I need one to keep really.

Unless Jaime gets one like the above and i can borrow it

nixoro · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 February 2007, 16:15:44 »

In an Ideal world

Regarding the bigger tools it would be handy if access to a courier company was available, never know what with being one off deliveries every so often may get it at reduced rate or as freebies.

Ronald_McBurger · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 February 2007, 17:49:47 »

That's not a jack. thats a toy! me and mark have the same taste in tools, and go for the f*** off big stuff!

Now. You guys are missing some minor element of this. Moving an engine hoist around isn't cheap, hence why we need to do this like a community. A bit like we had with getting my steering rack to Southampton last year.

The idea is, say Someone in London needs the engine crane. They talk to whoever is the 'tool pool manager' - NOT me! and they post up a relay required from wherever the hoist is (say Nottingham) to wherever it is going (Say Croydon).

There are enough of us, with estates in this case, to do it in bits. So, I could take it as far as Leicester where someone else might take it on to Northampton for example, where Jaime might be eble to take it to Bedford etc.

May be ridiculous I know, but what if it works? Hey what a forum this would be then!

AND I want all the glory - but don't want any of the hard work!

MaxV6 · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 February 2007, 18:13:48 »

That's exactly what I thought you Meant McB..... which I thought was a good idea, both as a community building move, and as a practical method of providing access to tools normally too expensive or bulky for the average owner to have knocking about "just in case"

I'm In.....

The Immediate problem, aside from management of it (which I'd happily volunteer to help with) would be a central storage and maintenance facility.... Hydraulic Hoists don't look after themselves..... etc etc.... So someone would have to commit some space and occasional time to that.... i mean.,. what happens if the last guy to use it has nowhere practical for long term storage , and no-one wants it again for 6 months....

it would need to come back to someone's "Depot" as it were......

Then there's the question of insurance, both of the items themselves, and probably for some form of public liability cover for the forum admin's and tool management volunteers.

all that aside, I STILL think it's a great idea, with some legs on it if handled right....

max

Auto Addict · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 February 2007, 18:20:42 »

Tool pool? What a stupid idea, how on earth are you going to get a 4 poster around the country.

And anyway, wouldn't everything go rusty if kept in a pool

tunnie · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 February 2007, 18:30:35 »

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Tool pool? What a stupid idea, how on earth are you going to get a 4 poster around the country.

And anyway, wouldn't everything go rusty if kept in a pool

The Que's would root quickly too, if not break trying to pot tools all the time!

Ronald_McBurger · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 February 2007, 18:44:27 »

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Tool pool? What a stupid idea, how on earth are you going to get a 4 poster around the country.

And anyway, wouldn't everything go rusty if kept in a pool

Barry. Stop being so stupid. That level of slap stick humour has no plcae here in these serious discussions.

Anyway, we could always wrap the tools up BEFORE putting them in the pool. And of course, none of them would be allowed to use the diving board. As for the 4 poster, what do we need a bed for?

Now. Can I have my tablets back please AA?

TheBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 February 2007, 18:49:14 »

Not convinced the big stuff would work that well - that steering column took a while to complete its journey. Generally, I suspect, people may need tools quicker. And most stuff, like lifting equipment is not hugely expensive to hire.

It may work with certain tools, esp postable ones.

Trying to think what tools are worth doing like this?:

v6 camlock (postage may creep up)
engine hoist (probably as cheap to hire than travel to get)
diagnostic code reader
4 pot camlock (cheaper to buy, less than £10, but would be cheap to post)
ball joint splitter (not expensive, but cheap to post)

other "specialist tool which probably only gets used once" tools?

Auto Addict · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 February 2007, 19:02:26 »

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Now. Can I have my tablets back please AA?

No, my need is greater than yours

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 February 2007, 19:22:09 »

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diagnostic code reader

Now i like that idea 8-)

How about clubbing together to buy a REAL tech2 like TB's.......that would certainly be in demand....and courier costs on that wouldnt be high.....prolly around £15ish with insurance

Tho i suspect there maybe a licensing issue if you want to use all the facilities of a tech2.....ie if it needs authorising from TIS to do certain stuff :-/

Ummm thought some more about it and its probably a bad idea!....so forget that idea

Andy B · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 February 2007, 21:27:28 »

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So someone would have to commit some space and occasional time to that.... i mean.,. what happens if the last guy to use it has nowhere practical for long term storage , and no-one wants it again for 6 months....

it would need to come back to someone's "Depot" as it were.............

It'd just have to stop in the nearest available garage/'depot' until some one wanted to use it.
It does sound a reasonable idea as long as the item could be delivered when it was required, not every thing breaks according to a schedule. Also depends on the working pattern of the bloke who last uses it. eg I've been working 8 till 8 last week which has meant work & bed and very little else. I would have little time to ferry anything to a meeting point or go to the Post Office.
It's an idea that could work though!

Hillper · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 February 2007, 21:50:49 »

It is a good idea and typical of the generous, helpful nature of this forum.

I think it would work very well for specialist tools that cannot be hired.

It does however rely on trust, which can never be guaranteed.

theolodian · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 February 2007, 22:09:52 »

Thanks for the thought Finn! Like TB says, if the hire rates are reasonable then probably easier to hire than to collect from wherever in the case of the engine hoist. However, I think you are onto something as a general concept. For example, a few people have had to spring for V6 camlock kits that we all benefit from. It would be good to make that more equitable.

I will add one more wrinkle to this. What if we could group together to rent a small industrial unit for working on cars? Just as an example, there is one near me (a railway arch) that is sufficient to work on at least one car and store tools for £300/mo. I would go for it on my own and share it if I was in a better financial situation. Like the engine hoist, there is the issue of being local enough to benefit from it.

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #20 on:** 15 February 2007, 00:40:55 »

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It is a good idea and typical of the generous, helpful nature of this forum.

I think it would work very well for specialist tools that cannot be hired.

It does however rely on trust, which can never be guaranteed.

I guess restrictions could be imposed, such as no tool loan until certain post count, or possibly approval would need to be gained through a set criteria....

Andy B · « **Reply #21 on:** 15 February 2007, 01:50:12 »

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Just as an example, there is one near me (a railway arch) that is sufficient to work on at least one car and store tools for £300/mo. .......

I think that CaptainZok should get a railway arch somewhere up in this neck of the woods.

Not that I live very far from him or owt.

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #22 on:** 15 February 2007, 09:37:38 »

Rather than a Tech 2, what about an Opel Tech scan tool......

Admin · « **Reply #23 on:** 15 February 2007, 10:09:49 »

I think we could be onto something here...

What is the cost and benfits of this tool please mark?

Made into sticky.

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 February 2007, 10:46:10 »

Its been looked at and reviewed some where....

It allows fault code reading and clearing, live data, key programming etc.

Does not support software upgrades and works off a standard laptop.

Covers all the Omega power plants though...

nixoro · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 February 2007, 13:01:51 »

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It is a good idea and typical of the generous, helpful nature of this forum.

I think it would work very well for specialist tools that cannot be hired.

It does however rely on trust, which can never be guaranteed.

I guess restrictions could be imposed, such as no tool loan until certain post count, or possibly approval would need to be gained through a set criteria....

This was part of the reason I suggested a subscription scheme to prove dedication to the cause and also if needed for replacing lost/stolen/damaged Items, still it was only an Idea.

If trust becomes an issue the participant gets cut from the subscription scheme and banned and then possibly chased for the costs of the lost/broken/stolen tool in question.

TheBoy · « **Reply #26 on:** 15 February 2007, 13:28:39 »

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Its been looked at and reviewed some where....

It allows fault code reading and clearing, live data, key programming etc.

Does not support software upgrades and works off a standard laptop.

Covers all the Omega power plants though...

i believe there would be an issue with licencing the s/w....

Bo Bo · « **Reply #27 on:** 15 February 2007, 13:33:22 »

I like the idea of this but just another thought......

If say 100 of us chipped in to buy some stuff; would use of it be limited to whomever had contributed & what about members that join after?

nixoro · « **Reply #28 on:** 15 February 2007, 14:03:52 »

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I like the idea of this but just another thought......

If say 100 of us chipped in to buy some stuff; would use of it be limited to whomever had contributed & what about members that join after?

Could be an idea, to keep it fair for all to put in equal funds covering the cost of intial outlay for tools and also meaning everyone is equal so no hierarchy business, the additional funds could be put to use of replacing any tools which get broken at any point.

Just an Idea :-/

stevief · « **Reply #29 on:** 16 February 2007, 14:06:21 »

The biggest headache ould be the liabilities for the lifting equipment regulations and how you maintain the certification. It is a totally different ball game from having a jack or lifting gear, including the chains, in your own garage for sole use by you but once you start to loan/hire it may subject to the likes of PUWER 98 regulations.

It's a great idea but worth checking on before someone commits to being the focal point and thereby responsible. Rental companies have to carry third party liability insurance to cover litigation claims and this in itself can run to thousands of pounds which is okay for a company as it comes out of their profits but makes this kind of scheme prohibitively expensive for the participants ie engine crane and chains are around £200 and jacks vary across the range so the insurance could be up to 5 times the price of the equipment every year.

Sorry to point out a negative but it is something worth mentioning now before it goes too far.

Steve

CaptainZok · « **Reply #30 on:** 16 February 2007, 17:09:55 »

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Just as an example, there is one near me (a railway arch) that is sufficient to work on at least one car and store tools for £300/mo. .......
I think that CaptainZok should get a railway arch somewhere up in this neck of the woods. Not that I live very far from him or owt.

LOL I borrow a mates place over Platt Bridge, nice dry garage. Unfortunately the pits outside so I MAY be rather wet tomorrow.

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #31 on:** 16 February 2007, 20:06:01 »

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I like the idea of this but just another thought......

If say 100 of us chipped in to buy some stuff; would use of it be limited to whomever had contributed & what about members that join after?

Could be an idea, to keep it fair for all to put in equal funds covering the cost of intial outlay for tools and also meaning everyone is equal so no hierarchy business, the additional funds could be put to use of replacing any tools which get broken at any point.

Just an Idea :-/

In my opinion.....those who put in....then get to share the tools....those who dont...dont get to loan the tools....and members who join later......if they are willing to put in amount others did....then yes they get to share the tools....but their amount goes to replacing broken/damaged items...so yes i agree with that idea

theolodian · « **Reply #32 on:** 02 March 2007, 12:52:51 »

Sounds like we need to add a loaner miggy to the list. People are often desperate for wheels while they get things organised to do the repair.

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #33 on:** 02 March 2007, 20:24:08 »

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Its been looked at and reviewed some where....

It allows fault code reading and clearing, live data, key programming etc.

Does not support software upgrades and works off a standard laptop.

Covers all the Omega power plants though...
i believe there would be an issue with licencing the s/w....

Idea here.....most software is allowed to be installed on one pc......so if someone installed the software on a laptop....as long as they uninstalled it......then next person would be able to install it on their laptop....and so on....its a bit of a grey area :-/

Only other way i can think of.....is a laptop with the software installed on is provided as well......but this might start getting costly with shipping? :-/

TheBoy · « **Reply #34 on:** 02 March 2007, 20:35:34 »

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Its been looked at and reviewed some where....

It allows fault code reading and clearing, live data, key programming etc.

Does not support software upgrades and works off a standard laptop.

Covers all the Omega power plants though...
i believe there would be an issue with licencing the s/w....

Idea here.....most software is allowed to be installed on one pc......so if someone installed the software on a laptop....as long as they uninstalled it......then next person would be able to install it on their laptop....and so on....its a bit of a grey area :-/

Only other way i can think of.....is a laptop with the software installed on is provided as well......but this might start getting costly with shipping? :-/

Very grey area. Also, I believe the way that the software in question works does tie it to the hardware...

MaxV6 · « **Reply #35 on:** 02 March 2007, 23:11:19 »

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Sounds like we need to add a loaner miggy to the list. People are often desperate for wheels while they get things organised to do the repair.

yeah.... and perhaps it should live in Derby.....

iggy21uk · « **Reply #36 on:** 03 March 2007, 20:09:13 »

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Its been looked at and reviewed some where....

It allows fault code reading and clearing, live data, key programming etc.

Does not support software upgrades and works off a standard laptop.

Covers all the Omega power plants though...
i believe there would be an issue with licencing the s/w....

Idea here.....most software is allowed to be installed on one pc......so if someone installed the software on a laptop....as long as they uninstalled it......then next person would be able to install it on their laptop....and so on....its a bit of a grey area :-/

Only other way i can think of.....is a laptop with the software installed on is provided as well......but this might start getting costly with shipping? :-/
Very grey area. Also, I believe the way that the software in question works does tie it to the hardware...

If your talking about the Opel AutoScanner that I have the interface has a serial number the software has the same serial number. Try and run the software with a different interface disables the interface.
Lists VX models from 1987 to 2005 - only tried on my megga

Omegatoy · « **Reply #37 on:** 03 March 2007, 21:14:39 »

Well the basic idea is good, but rather than everyone put cash in which leaves one or 2 persons to oversee teh purchase and storage/maintenance of said tools etc
How about this for an idea, why not try a thread where everyone who has such devices as engine hoist etc and would be prepared to lend them out for a weekend? as long as every one puts thier particular area in someone who needs it may have to drive say fifty miles to borrow it but thats still cheaper than hiring said item surely??

bogit · « **Reply #38 on:** 18 March 2007, 15:16:46 »

on a completly random note, ive just found the tool for my old elite for manually moving the electric chairs

theolodian · « **Reply #39 on:** 21 March 2007, 11:40:51 »

I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.

TheBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** 21 March 2007, 11:43:07 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.

I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...

theolodian · « **Reply #41 on:** 21 March 2007, 12:59:49 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.
I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...

These look really good and reasonably priced. It's just more crap to ride around in the boot though. All my other tools are there, including torque wrench. I have nowhere else to keep them.

TheBoy · « **Reply #42 on:** 21 March 2007, 13:08:28 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.
I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...
These look really good and reasonably priced. It's just more crap to ride around in the boot though. All my other tools are there, including torque wrench. I have nowhere else to keep them.

My garage

theolodian · « **Reply #43 on:** 21 March 2007, 13:11:15 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.
I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...
These look really good and reasonably priced. It's just more crap to ride around in the boot though. All my other tools are there, including torque wrench. I have nowhere else to keep them.
My garage

Actually, that's cool.

Bo Bo · « **Reply #44 on:** 28 March 2007, 23:06:06 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.
I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...
These look really good and reasonably priced. It's just more crap to ride around in the boot though. All my other tools are there, including torque wrench. I have nowhere else to keep them.
My garage
Actually, that's cool.

Or if I'm nearer

theolodian · « **Reply #45 on:** 28 March 2007, 23:09:23 »

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I'm gonna have some spare spring compressors after this weekend.
I have some, but 'homemade'

Worked on the MV6 fronts, but wouldn't like to loan in case my welding wasn't up to scratch...
These look really good and reasonably priced. It's just more crap to ride around in the boot though. All my other tools are there, including torque wrench. I have nowhere else to keep them.
My garage
Actually, that's cool.
Or if I'm nearer

Either way, but I need to be sure that I am done with them. I may strip these Bilsteins back out.

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