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[Varche]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

[scimmy_man]

why dont the insurance companys pay?

a local village have installed their own flood defence to protect 7 houses.

[Bigron]

Because that is not what insurance companies do; they only make money - for themselves! 

Ron.

[STEMO]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

[Varche]

Well just watching the news and some marvellous and expensive kit is being put in place with help from the armed forces. Why not build a concrete retaining wall with waterproof gates within for normal pedestrian access?

The Dutch claimed land back from the North Sea permanently decades ago. We need to do the same  with for example a dam across the Wash extending ten miles either side to protect villages and valuable farmland and create fresh water for theSouth East.

It is easy to sit back and say the flood will just be moved elsewhere so why bother. How about building soakaways to replace the concerted over flood plains that councils ( government)  foolishly granted planning permission on.? How about dredging silted up waterways? The problem isn't going away regardless of whether climate change is man made or not.

[STEMO]

Well just watching the news and some marvellous and expensive kit is being put in place with help from the armed forces. Why not build a concrete retaining wall with waterproof gates within for normal pedestrian access?

The Dutch claimed land back from the North Sea permanently decades ago. We need to do the same  with for example a dam across the Wash extending ten miles either side to protect villages and valuable farmland and create fresh water for theSouth East.

It is easy to sit back and say the flood will just be moved elsewhere so why bother. How about building soakaways to replace the concerted over flood plains that councils ( government)  foolishly granted planning permission on.? How about dredging silted up waterways? The problem isn't going away regardless of whether climate change is man made or not.

You're right. The problem isn't going away....ever. Neither is the climate change that causes it. Our pathetic attempts at reducing our carbon footprint are doomed to failure. The only way to stop the world from becoming a really inhospitable place to live is to cull about three billion people.
I am under no illusions about where we are going, but it won't happen in my lifetime.

[Bigron]

IF co2 is the enemy (many contend that it is not), then watching the "Inside the Cocacola Factory" programme recently amazed me with how much co2 they release into the atmosphere; not only in production, but massively more when the bottles and cans are opened. Should we ban fizzy drinks?
Then of course there is all that methane that vegetarians produce.....

Ron.

[Raeturbo]

Yes nice one Ron, vegans fart too That would probably shook our Greta🤭😲

[Rangie]

Really feel for the folk affected by this , but imagine that they are fighting a losing battle against the elements, as well as seeing the value of their homes plummet.

[Varche]

See my reply above. The local councils ( government) gave permission to build on flood plains. People buy in good faith or perhaps without doing research. Having bought are they then condemned to live in a property that is going to flood regularly with ever increasing insurance premiums? These are fellow citizens.

I still maintain more could be done at not much money compared to pie in the sky multi billion projects.

[STEMO]

See my reply above. The local councils ( government) gave permission to build on flood plains. People buy in good faith or perhaps without doing research. Having bought are they then condemned to live in a property that is going to flood regularly with ever increasing insurance premiums? These are fellow citizens.

I still maintain more could be done at not much money compared to pie in the sky multi billion projects.

It's not the people on the flood plains who are being flooded right now, it's the people who live in the Calder Valley, the operative word being valley.

[Varche]

Fair enough , I still maintain the authorities have a responsibility to act rather than react too late.. the exception being 100 year events which are difficult as opposed to impossible to react to.

Anything we see on news coverage made of metal/ scaffold triangles ought to be installed sympathetically as concrete structures. Cheap fix.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't ignore the fact that the council sold most of the shingle from the beach to building contractors

The Environment Agency don't have any money as they spent their entire budget protecting Boston of all places.

[STEMO]

I thought storm Dennis was gonna be a damp squib, but it's just hit and the rain is horizontal.

[Raeturbo]

Yes nice one Ron, vegans fart too That would probably shock our Greta🤭😲

[STEMO]

Yes nice one Ron, vegans fart too That would probably shock our Greta🤭😲

And? 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

There's a chap near here who has a small stream running behind his house and business premises, and he used to get flooded out regularly.  As he is a builder, he dug out the stream and converted it to a wide concrete culvert, but it just backed up further downstream and filled up his culvert.  He's gradually widening the stream further down stream to where it joins the bigger river.  I drove by today and saw him out in the rain in the stream no doubt clearing a blockage or something. 

I don't think he has bothered to try and get permission or funding from the authorities or anything, just got on and done it!  Not only does his property not flood any more, but neither do the tennis courts or the cricket pitch flood, so he has done a proper service to the community! 

[Raeturbo]

Yes nice one Ron, vegans fart too That would probably shock our Greta🤭😲

And? 

.     Aye  double post  :-\trust you to notice

[Raeturbo]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

There's a chap near here who has a small stream running behind his house and business premises, and he used to get flooded out regularly.  As he is a builder, he dug out the stream and converted it to a wide concrete culvert, but it just backed up further downstream and filled up his culvert.  He's gradually widening the stream further down stream to where it joins the bigger river.  I drove by today and saw him out in the rain in the stream no doubt clearing a blockage or something. 

I don't think he has bothered to try and get permission or funding from the authorities or anything, just got on and done it!  Not only does his property not flood any more, but neither do the tennis courts or the cricket pitch flood, so he has done a proper service to the community! 

.                   Good on him he should get rewarded, doubt if anyone will bother though

[Sir Tigger KC]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

There's a chap near here who has a small stream running behind his house and business premises, and he used to get flooded out regularly.  As he is a builder, he dug out the stream and converted it to a wide concrete culvert, but it just backed up further downstream and filled up his culvert.  He's gradually widening the stream further down stream to where it joins the bigger river.  I drove by today and saw him out in the rain in the stream no doubt clearing a blockage or something. 

I don't think he has bothered to try and get permission or funding from the authorities or anything, just got on and done it!  Not only does his property not flood any more, but neither do the tennis courts or the cricket pitch flood, so he has done a proper service to the community! 

.                   Good on him he should get rewarded, doubt if anyone will bother though

Yes, it's more likely that he gets prosecuted by some quango or other.  Environment Agency, Natural England, etc   

[Kevin Wood]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

There's a chap near here who has a small stream running behind his house and business premises, and he used to get flooded out regularly.  As he is a builder, he dug out the stream and converted it to a wide concrete culvert, but it just backed up further downstream and filled up his culvert.  He's gradually widening the stream further down stream to where it joins the bigger river.  I drove by today and saw him out in the rain in the stream no doubt clearing a blockage or something. 

I don't think he has bothered to try and get permission or funding from the authorities or anything, just got on and done it!  Not only does his property not flood any more, but neither do the tennis courts or the cricket pitch flood, so he has done a proper service to the community! 

.                   Good on him he should get rewarded, doubt if anyone will bother though

Yes, it's more likely that he gets prosecuted by some quango or other.  Environment Agency, Natural England, etc   

Yep, the hi-vis jacket types from the council will be down on him like a ton of bricks when they find out. 

[TheBoy]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

What does a permanent measure do? Shift the problem elsewhere. So it aint a solution, just media hysteria.

Because we are grossly over populated, we have built on all the low lying flood plains, and because the planning requirements are for flood protection around these new towns, its speeded up water flow through downstream, older towns built on the river. Guess what happens.

Given the flooding caused by this utter stupidity in the 90s, last time I moved, I ensured I was on a higher area of land to the surrounding areas, because it was obvious to anyone, even the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, this was going to get worse.  Obviously, the same idiots are using the (unproven) man made climate change excuse for all this flooding.


Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

[Lizzie Zoom]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

What does a permanent measure do? Shift the problem elsewhere. So it aint a solution, just media hysteria.

Because we are grossly over populated, we have built on all the low lying flood plains, and because the planning requirements are for flood protection around these new towns, its speeded up water flow through downstream, older towns built on the river. Guess what happens.

Given the flooding caused by this utter stupidity in the 90s, last time I moved, I ensured I was on a higher area of land to the surrounding areas, because it was obvious to anyone, even the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, this was going to get worse.  Obviously, the same idiots are using the (unproven) man made climate change excuse for all this flooding.


Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

Yawohl, Mein Fuhrer!

[TheBoy]

Nah, the Nazi Party are too leftie and liberal.  They started out as a bunch of commies.

Call me what you like, we all know the country is overpopulated and cannot support itself on its own natural resources.  To appease the brain dead what-about-the-poor-children-idiots, I suggested a solution of a hard limit of one child per couple. Personally, I think the North Korean idea is better, line up those to be culled in front of an anti aircraft gun and let rip.

[STEMO]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

What does a permanent measure do? Shift the problem elsewhere. So it aint a solution, just media hysteria.

Because we are grossly over populated, we have built on all the low lying flood plains, and because the planning requirements are for flood protection around these new towns, its speeded up water flow through downstream, older towns built on the river. Guess what happens.

Given the flooding caused by this utter stupidity in the 90s, last time I moved, I ensured I was on a higher area of land to the surrounding areas, because it was obvious to anyone, even the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, this was going to get worse.  Obviously, the same idiots are using the (unproven) man made climate change excuse for all this flooding.


Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

You'd have been quicker just quoting my post. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

You might have missed it, but the cull has already started by biological means. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

You might have missed it, but the cull has already started by biological means. 

Yep, and that might be fine to some people, but if it involves your loved ones including the babies you have worked hard, and painfully, to give birth to we all will have then a different view point to it all.

[Doctor Gollum]

Solution? As always, reduce the need for housing. That needs to start this generation.  I'm all for the cull, but lets start softer with a forced sterilisation after the first brat is born, and then revisit in 3 or 4 generations when the population is a more sustainable 25m

You might have missed it, but the cull has already started by biological means. 

Gesundheit 

[biggriffin]

Just a thought, why isn't the government spending money on permanent measures.

The initial cost would be far less than the misery and clear up costs and insurance claims.

Because there are no permanent measures. The more you try to contain water, the higher it rises, just like in your bath. And, just as in your bath, once it gets high enough to top your defences, you need an overflow to take it away.....to where? Somewhere where it will flood someone else.

There's a chap near here who has a small stream running behind his house and business premises, and he used to get flooded out regularly.  As he is a builder, he dug out the stream and converted it to a wide concrete culvert, but it just backed up further downstream and filled up his culvert.  He's gradually widening the stream further down stream to where it joins the bigger river.  I drove by today and saw him out in the rain in the stream no doubt clearing a blockage or something. 

I don't think he has bothered to try and get permission or funding from the authorities or anything, just got on and done it!  Not only does his property not flood any more, but neither do the tennis courts or the cricket pitch flood, so he has done a proper service to the community! 

.


 This is what needs to be done,, EnvA don't dredge or clear owt nowdays,It isn't environmentally responsible... Rivers and dykes use to be cleared regularly, the spoil put on top of the banks.  Basically pint glass holds a pint, put half pint of sand in won't hold a pint, it's got to go somewhere,..

[Varche]

Government says it is going to spend nearly 5 billion in next six years on flood  measures in England.  I think Dominic is reading OOF.

Lets hope he gets the Spanish in the frame for a bidding war to build HS2.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Government says it is going to spend nearly 5 billion in next six years on flood  measures in England.  I think Dominic is reading OOF.

Lets hope he gets the Spanish in the frame for a bidding war to build HS2.

They've found Labour's money tree! 

[Doctor Gollum]

Water is a valuable commodity... they should be looking at ways to keep it

[Raeturbo]

Spot on!! ^^^

[BazaJT]

Meanwhile it was reported on the BBC yesterday that several people walking near the Millenium bridge had their umbrellas blown inside out by the winds  

[Rangie]

Saw on our local TV "wave chasers"  getting as close as possible to waves crashing over sea walls etc, must be completely bonkers.

[Doctor Gollum]

Saw on our local TV "wave chasers"  getting as close as possible to waves crashing over sea walls etc, must be completely bonkers.

Wasn't this Irish woman per chance?  

[Rangie]

Saw on our local TV "wave chasers"  getting as close as possible to waves crashing over sea walls etc, must be completely bonkers.

Wasn't this Irish woman per chance?  

.      😀😀😀

[Lizzie Zoom]

Oh dear, down hear as the full force of the previous storm Caira raced over, with storm force winds and massive waves off the South East coast, the Hastings Lifeboat came close to disaster as it was part of a team out to rescue................................................a stupid, mad, bastard of a surf boarder who thought it would be good to go out into the storm!! :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-sussex-51444109/storm-ciara-hastings-lifeboat-battles-through-waves

I hope the RNLI DEMAND that the fool, who was eventually recovered (Shame!! )  pays them compensation for all the stress and cost he caused, and a mental health team section him!

[Doctor Gollum]

We had a rotten fence post and two panels blow over, all about ten years old.

Retrieved them from next door and now firmly strapped back in place with washing line pending the arrival of replacements.

[Raeturbo]

Quite a big landslide our way on tv and YouTube at Tylorstown

[Kevin Wood]

Government says it is going to spend nearly 5 billion in next six years on flood  measures in England.  I think Dominic is reading OOF.

Lets hope he gets the Spanish in the frame for a bidding war to build HS2.

They've found Labour's money tree! 

Certainly have round here. They sent a bloke with a stick to prod at the gullies that they should have cleaned out before it started pi$$ing down.

[Doctor Gollum]

Send him over here when he's finished... The Arun is a bit backed up

There's enough water to get a bulk carrier upto Pulborough 

[New POD]

There's a licenced nuclear site in Derby, next to.the River Derwent. Which was showing RED yesterday on the environment agencies flood warning web site mapping tool.
I'm guessing they were busy trying to remember protocols and action plans.

[dave the builder]

Someone (authorities  )  pumped a load of flood water off the A38 and flooded the offices and warehouse of one site of the company Mrs Builder works for 
sadly she works at the other site ,down the road, office on the second floor 

[TheBoy]

A bit of rain and all the poxy riding schools are now using the roads through the estates and town centre, rather than the fields.

Now dog owners have to do the inside out carrier bag, WTF cant horse owners?

[Entwood]

I see the "media" are now criticising Boris for not "visiting" the flooded areas !!! 

I'm sure the last thing the rescue folks want is to have to stop the genuinely important, and amazing, jobs they are doing simply to make a photoshoot opportunity for the media to ask stupid questions....... or do they expect him to wave his arms and make all the water magically disappear ??

I really hope he stays away and actually tells them where to go.... publicly

I despair at what the so-called "news" editors think is important these days .....   

[ronnyd]

Unless Boris is going to do what Canute couldn't, he would be better of staying away and letting the experts get on with it.

[VXL V6]

A bit of rain and all the poxy riding schools are now using the roads through the estates and town centre, rather than the fields.

Now dog owners have to do the inside out carrier bag, WTF cant horse owners?

You wouldn't have any roads if it wasn't for the horse! 

I'll have you know that horse plop is a delicacy for your garden and an essential coating for the underbody of your car when your planning for Mr Gixer to do some work on the suspension / exhaust.

[TheBoy]

A bit of rain and all the poxy riding schools are now using the roads through the estates and town centre, rather than the fields.

Now dog owners have to do the inside out carrier bag, WTF cant horse owners?

You wouldn't have any roads if it wasn't for the horse! 

I'll have you know that horse plop is a delicacy for your garden and an essential coating for the underbody of your car when your planning for Mr Gixer to do some work on the suspension / exhaust.

I can never find any when visiting Mr Gixer now

But as an ex biker, I've never thought letting horseshit remain in the road was a great idea...   ...put the big steaming pile on the path to the kiddies playground round the corner is, IMHO, properly out of order.

[Auto Addict]

A bit of rain and all the poxy riding schools are now using the roads through the estates and town centre, rather than the fields.

Now dog owners have to do the inside out carrier bag, WTF cant horse owners?

You wouldn't have any roads if it wasn't for the horse! 

I'll have you know that horse plop is a delicacy for your garden and an essential coating for the underbody of your car when your planning for Mr Gixer to do some work on the suspension / exhaust.

I can never find any when visiting Mr Gixer now

But as an ex biker, I've never thought letting horseshit remain in the road was a great idea...   ...put the big steaming pile on the path to the kiddies playground round the corner is, IMHO, properly out of order.

In the 'Good old days' when the coal, milk and bread was delivered by horse and cart, there used to be a race with a bucket and shovel to collect it to spread over the vegetable plot in the back garden.

[Rods2]

The Somerset Levels haven't flooded like they did in the winter of 2015-16 as it has now been dredged. Dredging works but EU greens have made it very difficult & expensive to do, Australian controlled bush fires & vegetation clearance pre-date European settlers where this was done by the Aborigines & has now been outlawed by the greens & is backed up with satellite, aircraft & drone photography, so anybody doing it, especially homeowners to defend their properties face massive fines & jail terms. Expensive unreliable, very, very ungreen bird slaughterers & major polluting wind turbines & solar power is being forced upon us, you've guessed by the green lobby. Vehicle air pollution & air quality has been getting better with lower pollution levels (apart from NOX which is stable) & the new vehicle city charging & exclusion zones are being imposed upon us via the EU tree hugging lobby.

The 'green' capitalists like Soros, Al Gore et al where they have been buying up billions of CO2 licences which are compulsory from 2030 under the Paris Climate Treaty & their aim is to turn these billions into trillions & guess who is going to be paying them this?

With any luck the EU & especially the Eurozone are unlikely to survive to 2030 through a combination of eye watering trillions of €€€€ debts, member countries near zero growth, sovereign debt, ECB debt, TARGET 2 debts & the acceleration of the deindustrialization Europe through EU's new green deal. German industry has been one of the most resilient of EU/Eurozone countries but they are now drifting in & out of slight growth & recession as their industrial production declines. Brexit will also badly affect their funding & the amount we buy from the EU where there are cheaper & better ROW places especially when we have FTAs with many countries. CPTPP which we have been invited to join is 14% of world trade & growing.

Where the EU's funding falls by £12.6bn through the UK-EU transition period ending on 31-12-2020, the EU member states are already fighting like ferrets in a sack on who is going to pick up this shortfall.

[Migalot]

The Somerset Levels haven't flooded like they did in the winter of 2015-16 as it has now been dredged. Dredging works but EU greens have made it very difficult & expensive to do, Australian controlled bush fires & vegetation clearance pre-date European settlers where this was done by the Aborigines & has now been outlawed by the greens & is backed up with satellite, aircraft & drone photography, so anybody doing it, especially homeowners to defend their properties face massive fines & jail terms. Expensive unreliable, very, very ungreen bird slaughterers & major polluting wind turbines & solar power is being forced upon us, you've guessed by the green lobby. Vehicle air pollution & air quality has been getting better with lower pollution levels (apart from NOX which is stable) & the new vehicle city charging & exclusion zones are being imposed upon us via the EU tree hugging lobby.

The 'green' capitalists like Soros, Al Gore et al where they have been buying up billions of CO2 licences which are compulsory from 2030 under the Paris Climate Treaty & their aim is to turn these billions into trillions & guess who is going to be paying them this?

With any luck the EU & especially the Eurozone are unlikely to survive to 2030 through a combination of eye watering trillions of €€€€ debts, member countries near zero growth, sovereign debt, ECB debt, TARGET 2 debts & the acceleration of the deindustrialization Europe through EU's new green deal. German industry has been one of the most resilient of EU/Eurozone countries but they are now drifting in & out of slight growth & recession as their industrial production declines. Brexit will also badly affect their funding & the amount we buy from the EU where there are cheaper & better ROW places especially when we have FTAs with many countries. CPTPP which we have been invited to join is 14% of world trade & growing.

Where the EU's funding falls by £12.6bn through the UK-EU transition period ending on 31-12-2020, the EU member states are already fighting like ferrets in a sack on who is going to pick up this shortfall.

Excellent points, Rods2.You especially deserve an uptick for mentioning the TARGET2 scam.

You mention the useless bird-mincers. An FOI was sent to Scottish Forestry in December, requesting information as to the number of trees felled to date (2000-2019) to make way for onshore wind farms.

The answer?

13.9 MILLION!! 

[Raeturbo]

Mm  you know your stuff. Thank you for that information mate and I mean it👍

[Sir Tigger KC]

The Somerset Levels haven't flooded like they did in the winter of 2015-16 as it has now been dredged. Dredging works but EU greens have made it very difficult & expensive to do.....

I drive up and down the M5 regularly and remember during the Somerset Levels floods, being surprised that the numerous drains, ditches, canals and rivers that the motorway passes over and drain the Levels into the Bristol Channel were not raging torrents taking away all the flood water.   

I saw some chatter online that the Environment Agency had not opened sluice gates and some locals were arrested for criminal damage when they cut padlocks and tried to open slice gates themselves.  I've no idea if that was true, but have always thought that something strange was going on....   

Australian controlled bush fires & vegetation clearance pre-date European settlers where this was done by the Aborigines & has now been outlawed by the greens & is backed up with satellite, aircraft & drone photography, so anybody doing it, especially homeowners to defend their properties face massive fines & jail terms.

The media have been describing this years bush fires as 'unprecedented', but they are anything but...   

The summer of 1974-5 also saw huge bush fires that destroyed 117 million hectares compared to this years 18.6 million hectares...  Not only that but they also had to contend with Cyclone Tracy that largely destroyed Darwin, and around 30,000 of the 47,000 population were evacuated.  It seems that climate change isn't the modern phenomena that the climate panickists would have us believe.... 

Oh and lets not forget that around 200 arsonists have been arrested down under...   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_bushfire_seasons


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Tracy