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Sub woofer help
« on: 25 June 2010, 09:16:45 »
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I have a facelift CD diesel which had a CDR2005 installed, my first idea was to fit an NCDC2013 because i'm breaking an Elite with the sytem and wiring all there but after reading on here that the Bose can easily and more importantly, cheaply be bettered i've been and purchased a basic head unit that has a modest 50w output. I'm looking to update the door speakers and fit two 8" to 10" 200 to 300W subs in the rear shelf covered with the original Bose speaker shelf. The head unit I have just bought has a Subwoofer Audio Out lead so am I right in thinking all I need is a 12V power from the head unit to the Amp and a phono lead from the Subwoofer audio lead to the amp. Another quick question is, I don't want a car with booming bass so are the 8" to 10" subs suitable and what wattage amp would I need.

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« Reply #1 on: 25 June 2010, 10:46:10 »
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Please be gentle with me, i'm old and don't understand ICE ::)

I have a facelift CD diesel which had a CDR2005 installed, my first idea was to fit an NCDC2013 because i'm breaking an Elite with the sytem and wiring all there but after reading on here that the Bose can easily and more importantly, cheaply be bettered i've been and purchased a basic head unit that has a modest 50w output. I'm looking to update the door speakers and fit two 8" to 10" 200 to 300W subs in the rear shelf covered with the original Bose speaker shelf. The head unit I have just bought has a Subwoofer Audio Out lead so am I right in thinking all I need is a 12V power from the head unit to the Amp and a phono lead from the Subwoofer audio lead to the amp. Another quick question is, I don't want a car with booming bass so are the 8" to 10" subs suitable and what wattage amp would I need.

TIA :y

The head unit signal to the amp is only to tell the amp to turn on. You will need a separate, fused power connection from the battery to the amp.

From what you are saying, I'd say try it with just some decent door speakers fitted first. You might not need a subwoofer and all the hassle of fitting an amp in the boot..

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Re: Sub woofer help
« Reply #2 on: 25 June 2010, 11:02:20 »
What head unit are you running?

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« Reply #3 on: 25 June 2010, 11:03:51 »
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Please be gentle with me, i'm old and don't understand ICE ::)

I have a facelift CD diesel which had a CDR2005 installed, my first idea was to fit an NCDC2013 because i'm breaking an Elite with the sytem and wiring all there but after reading on here that the Bose can easily and more importantly, cheaply be bettered i've been and purchased a basic head unit that has a modest 50w output. I'm looking to update the door speakers and fit two 8" to 10" 200 to 300W subs in the rear shelf covered with the original Bose speaker shelf. The head unit I have just bought has a Subwoofer Audio Out lead so am I right in thinking all I need is a 12V power from the head unit to the Amp and a phono lead from the Subwoofer audio lead to the amp. Another quick question is, I don't want a car with booming bass so are the 8" to 10" subs suitable and what wattage amp would I need.

TIA :y

The head unit signal to the amp is only to tell the amp to turn on. You will need a separate, fused power connection from the battery to the amp.

From what you are saying, I'd say try it with just some decent door speakers fitted first. You might not need a subwoofer and all the hassle of fitting an amp in the boot..

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I just thought that while I had the interior out (fitting leather, digital tv aerial and sat nav aerial) I would run the cables for an amp/subs ;)
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« Reply #4 on: 25 June 2010, 11:04:13 »
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« Reply #5 on: 25 June 2010, 11:20:06 »
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I just thought that while I had the interior out (fitting leather, digital tv aerial and sat nav aerial) I would run the cables for an amp/subs ;)

Fair enough. Might as well put the cables in.  :y

Battery cable through one of the large grommets by the pollen filter and then down the passenger side sill. Signal cables and switching signal down the driver's side sill.

Then ask Mr. DND for a drive unit recommendation that will work well against the volume of air in the boot.

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« Reply #6 on: 25 June 2010, 11:42:03 »
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I just thought that while I had the interior out (fitting leather, digital tv aerial and sat nav aerial) I would run the cables for an amp/subs ;)

Fair enough. Might as well put the cables in.  :y

Battery cable through one of the large grommets by the pollen filter and then down the passenger side sill. Signal cables and switching signal down the driver's side sill.

Then ask Mr. DND for a drive unit recommendation that will work well against the volume of air in the boot.

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What are these Kevin and where would they run from/to ::)

Told you I was useless at this stuff ;D
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« Reply #7 on: 25 June 2010, 12:09:16 »
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What are these Kevin and where would they run from/to ::)

Told you I was useless at this stuff ;D

From the head unit to the amp.

Coax cable for the audio signals and a single switching wire to tell the amp to power up when the head unit does.

Probably easiest to buy a kit... I notice Dave sells them. http://www.dndservices.co.uk/px006.html

Not, however, that you might need a longer power cable. 5m is not quite enough to do an Omega, IME. Might just about reach the parcel shelf, I suppose.

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« Reply #8 on: 25 June 2010, 12:10:05 »
I often get asked what my recommendations are, so here is what I spent the other day doing - Clarion have just launched a new range of speakers, and as many know, I will seldom recommend any products that I have not had first hand experience of.

Just kitted out our recent Astra cabriolet with some very pleasing results. The most common budget mentioned to me is around £400 these days, so that was going to be my target. How far can I go on an absolute max budget of £400 for everything - hopefully this may assist others in what the guy who sells them is happy to fit into his own car !!

Criteria was simply. A new stereo with iPod control, Steering Controls, Bluetooth and some very respectable sounds.

As the missus never plays Cd`s anymore, due to the iPod, there was no point in going for a CD player, so I opted for a mechless unit instead, and this is what I ended up with

Clarion FZ709E with Bluetooth  £229.99

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/fz709e.html


Front Speakers Clarion SRP1721S   £89.99

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/product.php?productid=5466&cat=12&page=1

Rear Speakers Clarion SRX1385  £59.99

http://www.dndservices.co.uk/srx1385.html

Add in a set of speaker rings and a steering control interface, and its came in at around the £400 mark I was targeting for.

As far as the sound quality - I am gobsmacked   :o

Not that long ago, you would have had to spend five times this amount, and to also have amps and subs. The sound quality and depth of Bass is simply stunning. Like all good quality speakers, the top end can be a little harsh to start with , but will mellow down after a few hours of running them in. I`m not going to bother with a sub on this car, and to be honest, its unlikely that I would replace this setup, as I think it will now make an excellent demonstrator as to what can be achieved for relatively little money.

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« Reply #9 on: 25 June 2010, 12:11:53 »
£400? You can buy a whole Omega for that  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: 25 June 2010, 12:14:42 »
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£400? You can buy a whole Omega for that  ;D

And you know full well what I think an Omega is worth !!

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But with a sound system like mine, it would then be worth £400.50p

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« Reply #11 on: 25 June 2010, 23:06:43 »
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£400? You can buy a whole Omega for that  ;D

And you know full well what I think an Omega is worth !!

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But with a sound system like mine, it would then be worth £400.50p

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Where did you get the extra 49p from ?  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: 27 June 2010, 07:27:05 »
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What are these Kevin and where would they run from/to ::)

Told you I was useless at this stuff ;D

From the head unit to the amp.

Coax cable for the audio signals and a single switching wire to tell the amp to power up when the head unit does.

Probably easiest to buy a kit... I notice Dave sells them. http://www.dndservices.co.uk/px006.html

Not, however, that you might need a longer power cable. 5m is not quite enough to do an Omega, IME. Might just about reach the parcel shelf, I suppose.

Kevin


COAX Cable is not used for audio feeds, Coax is for aerials.

pete if you are removing the interior the run the power cable and switch cable down the passenger side and the phono cables down the middle of the car thats the way i did mine, also uesd 2x6inch phillips subs in parcel shelf very nice sound 
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« Reply #13 on: 27 June 2010, 16:08:51 »
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What are these Kevin and where would they run from/to ::)

Told you I was useless at this stuff ;D

From the head unit to the amp.

Coax cable for the audio signals and a single switching wire to tell the amp to power up when the head unit does.

Probably easiest to buy a kit... I notice Dave sells them. http://www.dndservices.co.uk/px006.html

Not, however, that you might need a longer power cable. 5m is not quite enough to do an Omega, IME. Might just about reach the parcel shelf, I suppose.

Kevin


COAX Cable is not used for audio feeds, Coax is for aerials.

pete if you are removing the interior the run the power cable and switch cable down the passenger side and the phono cables down the middle of the car thats the way i did mine, also uesd 2x6inch phillips subs in parcel shelf very nice sound 

Go on then, expand on what you have said please ........

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What are these Kevin and where would they run from/to ::)

Told you I was useless at this stuff ;D

From the head unit to the amp.

Coax cable for the audio signals and a single switching wire to tell the amp to power up when the head unit does.

Probably easiest to buy a kit... I notice Dave sells them. http://www.dndservices.co.uk/px006.html

Not, however, that you might need a longer power cable. 5m is not quite enough to do an Omega, IME. Might just about reach the parcel shelf, I suppose.

Kevin


COAX Cable is not used for audio feeds, Coax is for aerials.

pete if you are removing the interior the run the power cable and switch cable down the passenger side and the phono cables down the middle of the car thats the way i did mine, also uesd 2x6inch phillips subs in parcel shelf very nice sound 

Go on then, expand on what you have said please ........


Yes, be interesting. ;)

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