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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #30 on: 12 March 2013, 20:48:22 »

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..
Please PM me anyone who has, the Admin Team and I will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

If I'm on that list, and I suspect I am  >:( , then you are mistaken, I have "spit on the info", as you put it, because you have never said this experience is on Omegas. However, if I am on that list, please send a PM to Hotel21, Marks DTM Calib or Auto Addict :y

thanks for the offer but not necessary now :y
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« Reply #31 on: 12 March 2013, 21:10:36 »

do you know how much I spend only on winter tyres just to find a proper tyre in last 10 years ? let me tell you .. enough to buy 4-5 miggies in UK.. (and  also my friends tried many models in parallel)

But surely you just used the info in tests so that you didn't have to experiment? :-X ::)

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..

I sincerely hope not >:( :'( The majority of info I have seen from you is from google/tyre tests which, as we keep saying, have now been proven to be a load of rubbish when it comes to the Omega after TB's very expensive mistake in trusting the reviews and buying a top rated tyre that is scarily poor! ;)

Lazydocker, tests are tests .. :)
 
I use the test info all times so I can avoid many models ..  As I have written before (in our discussions) for me to try a tyre, tests are a "good starting point"..( please dont say all test results are a load of rubbish.. there are many serious test organizations which spend loads of money on them... )   also I ask people but unfortunately they dont buy most expensive models.. so sometimes I gamble but never bought/experienced a test winner lemon.. :)
 
 
as for TB , although we push him/joke , its too early to say he has made a mistake.. wait for summer time and then test them on a track and compare times, brake distances etc..
 
and as for tramlining,  it will always be there hidden or visible but will show its head when the conditions met..
 
 
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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #32 on: 12 March 2013, 21:24:35 »

do you know how much I spend only on winter tyres just to find a proper tyre in last 10 years ? let me tell you .. enough to buy 4-5 miggies in UK.. (and  also my friends tried many models in parallel)

But surely you just used the info in tests so that you didn't have to experiment? :-X ::)

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..

I sincerely hope not >:( :'( The majority of info I have seen from you is from google/tyre tests which, as we keep saying, have now been proven to be a load of rubbish when it comes to the Omega after TB's very expensive mistake in trusting the reviews and buying a top rated tyre that is scarily poor! ;)

Lazydocker, tests are tests .. :)
 
I use the test info all times so I can avoid many models ..  As I have written before (in our discussions) for me to try a tyre, tests are a "good starting point"..( please dont say all test results are a load of rubbish.. there are many serious test organizations which spend loads of money on them... )   also I ask people but unfortunately they dont buy most expensive models.. so sometimes I gamble but never bought/experienced a test winner lemon.. :)
 
 
as for TB , although we push him/joke , its too early to say he has made a mistake.. wait for summer time and then test them on a track and compare times, brake distances etc..
 
and as for tramlining,  it will always be there hidden or visible but will show its head when the conditions met..

That takes my comments out of context ;) I said "...when it comes to the Omega" ;)
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #33 on: 12 March 2013, 21:36:01 »

do you know how much I spend only on winter tyres just to find a proper tyre in last 10 years ? let me tell you .. enough to buy 4-5 miggies in UK.. (and  also my friends tried many models in parallel)

But surely you just used the info in tests so that you didn't have to experiment? :-X ::)

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..

I sincerely hope not >:( :'( The majority of info I have seen from you is from google/tyre tests which, as we keep saying, have now been proven to be a load of rubbish when it comes to the Omega after TB's very expensive mistake in trusting the reviews and buying a top rated tyre that is scarily poor! ;)

Lazydocker, tests are tests .. :)
 
I use the test info all times so I can avoid many models ..  As I have written before (in our discussions) for me to try a tyre, tests are a "good starting point"..( please dont say all test results are a load of rubbish.. there are many serious test organizations which spend loads of money on them... )   also I ask people but unfortunately they dont buy most expensive models.. so sometimes I gamble but never bought/experienced a test winner lemon.. :)
 
 
as for TB , although we push him/joke , its too early to say he has made a mistake.. wait for summer time and then test them on a track and compare times, brake distances etc..
 
and as for tramlining,  it will always be there hidden or visible but will show its head when the conditions met..

That takes my comments out of context ;) I said "...when it comes to the Omega" ;)

and I said before Omega is an ordinary rwd car with 4 wheels with mcphearson struts etc etc :) :y
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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #34 on: 12 March 2013, 22:22:05 »

and I said before Omega is an ordinary rwd car with 4 wheels with mcphearson struts etc etc :) :y

And the tests are mostly done with FWD shitboxes... Not seen any with RWD Luxury cars used ::) ::) ::)

Anyway... Can't be bothered with having the same discussion over and over... We'll have to agree to disagree :y
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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #35 on: 12 March 2013, 22:30:50 »

do you know how much I spend only on winter tyres just to find a proper tyre in last 10 years ? let me tell you .. enough to buy 4-5 miggies in UK.. (and  also my friends tried many models in parallel)

But surely you just used the info in tests so that you didn't have to experiment? :-X ::)

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..

I sincerely hope not >:( :'( The majority of info I have seen from you is from google/tyre tests which, as we keep saying, have now been proven to be a load of rubbish when it comes to the Omega after TB's very expensive mistake in trusting the reviews and buying a top rated tyre that is scarily poor! ;)

Lazydocker, tests are tests .. :)
 
I use the test info all times so I can avoid many models ..  As I have written before (in our discussions) for me to try a tyre, tests are a "good starting point"..( please dont say all test results are a load of rubbish.. there are many serious test organizations which spend loads of money on them... )   also I ask people but unfortunately they dont buy most expensive models.. so sometimes I gamble but never bought/experienced a test winner lemon.. :)
 
 
as for TB , although we push him/joke , its too early to say he has made a mistake.. wait for summer time and then test them on a track and compare times, brake distances etc..
 
and as for tramlining,  it will always be there hidden or visible but will show its head when the conditions met..

That takes my comments out of context ;) I said "...when it comes to the Omega" ;)

and I said before Omega is an ordinary rwd car with 4 wheels with mcphearson struts etc etc :) :y
...that has a problem we need to avoid. Comparing to another car, or test has been proven to be unhelpful. Arguing that it has or hasn't been proved doesn't help. We need to understand where its going wrong.
 We've all been on here long enough to see all the legends and myths to know, from experience, that not all of the reasons apply to omega. We need to find the faults with this car/tyre combo.
 We all have access to google cem. That only helps up to a point. We also have access to a forum that has potential to examine the problem in far finer detail. It is a clue that when googling an issue, google leads to this forum, more often than not.

Nobody is spitting at foreigners. Just struggling with frustrations at continual deviation from a logical course that is difficult enough already. The fact that £700 waisted on tyres is amusing, somehow, is not on. Something I had to suffer with Falkens. It is NOT amusing.
We've seen zero advance on what we know on OOF re this problem via google and tests.
Wheels in motion struggle with this issue, what chance do we have? Even less chance when to problem is diluted. Focus, narrow down the field, dismiss irrelevant info.

We need omegas, tyres, logic.

An omega can go from one steering wheel correction, over a half mile straight, to over 50 corrections, ( way more on sc5) just by changing the wheels shod with different tyres.

We've understood omega set up, omega chassis faults, omega tyres sizes. Next up, tyre load ratings. From personal experience. IMHO of course. :)

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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #36 on: 12 March 2013, 23:00:57 »

do you know how much I spend only on winter tyres just to find a proper tyre in last 10 years ? let me tell you .. enough to buy 4-5 miggies in UK.. (and  also my friends tried many models in parallel)

But surely you just used the info in tests so that you didn't have to experiment? :-X ::)

and to add I shared all my info here for free and some spit on the info just because I'm foreign.. but thats enough..

I sincerely hope not >:( :'( The majority of info I have seen from you is from google/tyre tests which, as we keep saying, have now been proven to be a load of rubbish when it comes to the Omega after TB's very expensive mistake in trusting the reviews and buying a top rated tyre that is scarily poor! ;)

Lazydocker, tests are tests .. :)
 
I use the test info all times so I can avoid many models ..  As I have written before (in our discussions) for me to try a tyre, tests are a "good starting point"..( please dont say all test results are a load of rubbish.. there are many serious test organizations which spend loads of money on them... )   also I ask people but unfortunately they dont buy most expensive models.. so sometimes I gamble but never bought/experienced a test winner lemon.. :)
 
 
as for TB , although we push him/joke , its too early to say he has made a mistake.. wait for summer time and then test them on a track and compare times, brake distances etc..
 
and as for tramlining,  it will always be there hidden or visible but will show its head when the conditions met..

That takes my comments out of context ;) I said "...when it comes to the Omega" ;)

and I said before Omega is an ordinary rwd car with 4 wheels with mcphearson struts etc etc :) :y

It is a clue that when googling an issue, google leads to this forum, more often than not.



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if you write "omega" you will find omega owners forum.. obviously ;D
 
and if you write "tramlining  omega" you will find Chris ;D
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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #37 on: 12 March 2013, 23:07:35 »

Back to my original post ::)

I got home again in one piece too :y
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« Reply #38 on: 13 March 2013, 15:10:20 »

Back to my original post ::)

I got home again in one piece too :y

And that's what's important Al.  :y
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Re: Interesting tyre in snow discovery
« Reply #39 on: 13 March 2013, 21:41:54 »

Chris, you are taking a logical scientific approach to understand what works on and what doesn't through a process of elimination and personally I think it is to be commended as it helps all of us to choose a safe tyre in a price band we can afford.

I had a brown trousers moment with sc3s a few years a go really taking a dislike to the deep ridges caused by lorries on the Bracknell to Lightw'ater dual carriageway. The Avons I have at the moment tram line more as they wear.

There is also the question as to how much does wear affects stability and performance. I had a nasty incident on my GPZ1100 a few years a go where the rear tyre was at about 2-2.5mm, where I managed to induce a nasty weave on the long sweeping curve from the M4 onto the A329M, I tried to power through it but it got worse and I had to straighten up and brake hard before I ran out of road. A new tyre completely cured the problem.
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