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Title: Evaluation requested
Post by: Joshmo295 on 29 April 2021, 01:33:37
Hello Iíve very upsetting news that my just finished Vauxhall omega has been wrote off
She was a 3.2 mv6 finished in white was an ex police car in her day had heated seats rear parking sensors full set of eleits after market radio and an lsd diff, now this was my first project car and I do plan to road her again put the insurance is asking for a market value now I just am asking how much would you think it would of been before the crash I have photos if I can figure out how to post them up
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: woolley11 on 29 April 2021, 07:25:24
Thatís a shame. Hopefully itís not too bad and a DIY repair. They write things off for nothing, particularly older cars deemed not worth much in their eyes.

Is it you making the claim? Or the other parties insurance? If itís you making the claim, is it worth it?  - depends on level of damage I guess. A lot of good, economical parts available S/H on eBay or breakers. This will also save it being recorded as a write off.

Main thing is, have you the car still? Assume you have. Donít let insurance company have car as itís probably last youíll see of it as many posts on here will confirm.

I would think really what you need to ask them for is what they want for the salvage? Difficult to value cars as prices range so wildly dependent on mileage, history, owners and  condition.  I guess youíve an idea what you want for it based on what you paid for it and spent on it.

Think of a realistic figure, more on the high side and be prepared to negotiate down a little. Theyíll knock of the salvage value and pay you difference.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 April 2021, 09:40:09
Repeating the question won't change the answer...

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what 'extras' are fitted. It will always be an ex job car and is valued as such. Also the insurers may well decide that the 'extras' are modifications, and if undeclared, will use them as an excuse not to pay out.

The car being written off is based on a percentage of the cost of repairing it. If it's the whole side of the car, then that would write off a much newer car, the front wing and some paint is enough to push an Omega over the threshold.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 29 April 2021, 10:04:40
Pictures will help.

As a guide, the first time my 2004 ex Police 3.2 was written off, it was valued at £2,000 (2009 with 120k), and the last time, £1,500 (2013 with 250 ish k).

I sold it in reasonable condition for the (270+k miles) as a fully functional Police car (minus the livery) for £1,400 iirc... The lightbar alone was £750+ which gives you an idea of what an ex Police car is worth.

Another ex Police Omega with full service history was around £1,700 and full history and 153k. I sold that in 2012/3. The full history from TVP for that car included an invoice in 2003 for the purchase of the car from VX... £18,300 and also receipts for over £12,000 in body repairs at VX from two separate collisions and another £4-5k bill for a new engine caused by driver error.

All fairly typical for a Police car, and your insurance knows it. Incidentally, both of those cars went to NI. One was fully restored in an old PSNI livery, tother was later sold to a chap in Eire.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: biggriffin on 29 April 2021, 10:05:40
If ya fancy a roadtrip and need a plod body-shell, I know were there is one 8)
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: woolley11 on 29 April 2021, 10:55:34
Just another couple of thoughts

If a claim isnít made, it will save your excess being knocked off and preserve no claims bonus 🤔

Depends if it was your fault or not. If thereís another party have you given them the option to pay you direct for the damage at an agreed figure to save their insurance being involved - or is it too far down the line for that?

Agree with Doc Gollum - some extras on cars arenít worth anymore. It might make them rarer but buyers for specific cars are very rare too 😏
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Joshmo295 on 29 April 2021, 11:18:51
Lucky enough I had the car insured in a modified car insurance, yes I lowered the omega but that was my choice my car ( some of u Gona hate me for it) so all mods declared etc
Now it only happened Monday and I tryed talking to your man because he pulled out in-front of me on a dual carriageway. But he was being very ingorent towards me cause Iím young. Anyways the other day his insurance company called me to ask me to fix the damaged obviously I sad no cause I wasnít at fault so yes itís too far down the line to sort anything between us unfortunately but it is what it is. Now I bought the car last year for 1000 then striped it down and started working on it 12 months and 2000 pound later she was on the road redone breaks etc etc the list goes on even had to paint parts of her yes the car is costing me 3000 pound but I feel like it was worth more due to the little you acc see of them and it being high spec too.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: dave the builder on 29 April 2021, 12:11:22
IF it wasn't your fault and you have a good case then provide the insurance assessor with COPIES of all the receipts, pre accident condition photos etc along with adverts for Omega of similar spec / condition for sale retail
point out you are an enthusiast with a rare car ,damaged through no fault of your own .
ask them to find you another car of similar spec, condition etc ,which they will struggle with  :D
you may have to decline several offers before you come to a satisfactory agreement .

I've done this with a good outcome on a family member's behalf

IF however there is any doubt about who is to blame you will have problems  :(
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Nick W on 29 April 2021, 12:35:49
Anyone who expects their insurance company to cover the costs of a modified car needs to have an agreed value policy. Getting  those costs from another party's insurance without a good lawyer is fantasy.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: TheBoy on 03 May 2021, 14:08:48
Just another couple of thoughts

If a claim isnít made, it will save your excess being knocked off and preserve no claims bonus 🤔

Depends if it was your fault or not. If thereís another party have you given them the option to pay you direct for the damage at an agreed figure to save their insurance being involved - or is it too far down the line for that?

Agree with Doc Gollum - some extras on cars arenít worth anymore. It might make them rarer but buyers for specific cars are very rare too 😏
Technically you are still supposed to inform your insurance, plus declare it at next renewal.

If neither party has informed their respect insurances, and the police weren't informed, you may get away with it.


Back to the OP, if its a standard policy, it doesn't cover the modifications - you declare these so insurance isn't invalidated, but they aren'y actually covered.

So, an ex-plod Omega thats at least 18 years old, in Great Britain, I would think between £150 - £400 depending how mint it is
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: biggriffin on 03 May 2021, 14:43:17
The parts you have added, eg seats, etc aren't modifications, they are replacement standard parts,  they won't increase the insurance value of the car as they will pay it out as whatever it's registered as. So an ex-plod with Leather,alloys etc won't make any difference, they only care about performance modifications. That's my experience,,, others will say different.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: New POD on 04 May 2021, 08:43:23
Tell them you want 3K but they can knock off 0.15k if t
You can keep the salvage as it has some sentimental value to you. Then negotiate from there.
Values on write offs should be related to the most likely retail price. Not a trade in or auction value. 
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 May 2021, 14:25:50
Ex police cars, especially obselete ones have no value.

Even now, six year old job cars only sell for a grand or so.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: ronnyd on 04 May 2021, 14:40:20
Ex police cars, especially obselete ones have no value.

Even now, six year old job cars only sell for a grand or so.
I'm finding that prices around here seem, to me, a bit OTT for cars around 8 to 10 years old. Some with not particularly low mileage either.
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 May 2021, 14:41:59
Ex police cars, especially obselete ones have no value.

Even now, six year old job cars only sell for a grand or so.
I'm finding that prices around here seem, to me, a bit OTT for cars around 8 to 10 years old. Some with not particularly low mileage either.
You could park a bus in the mark up margins :-X
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Nick W on 04 May 2021, 14:56:29
Ex police cars, especially obselete ones have no value.

Even now, six year old job cars only sell for a grand or so.


That's because they're largely used up. Pool cars have a hard life before you consider the use that Police cars get.
Add in the damage that all the extra kit and markings can do, and they'd have to be really cheap to be worth even considering.

Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Joshmo295 on 05 May 2021, 01:53:20
The parts you have added, eg seats, etc aren't modifications, they are replacement standard parts,  they won't increase the insurance value of the car as they will pay it out as whatever it's registered as. So an ex-plod with Leather,alloys etc won't make any difference, they only care about performance modifications. That's my experience,,, others will say different.

The leather seats and alloys are standard on the car was only saying the spec of the car as leather seats (in my opinion) are more desirable than cloth ones
Also the accident wasnít my fault man crossed my lane into my path obviously didnít look but thatís in the past now just sorting it all out.
The engineer looking at my car is valued the car at 3.5k with .5k for salvage
In my opinion 3k would be just enough to put the omega back on the road as all I need is front and rear bumper headlights and possibly a few silly things (have another omega for parts)
Reason y I want to put her back on the road is because during difficult times (covid) thatís what I spent my time working on and building to completion itís was also my first project car so it has significant sentimental value to me now and always will
I appreciate your assistance and guidance everyone!
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Keith ABS on 05 May 2021, 07:05:26
 Sounds like you got a good engineer to inspect the car if he has valued it at £3.5k.
I had paintwork damage caused on mine back in the day and it took 4 1/2 years to get the insurance company to pay out
Title: Re: Evaluation requested
Post by: Nick W on 05 May 2021, 08:13:19
Sounds like you got a good engineer to inspect the car if he has valued it at £3.5k.
I had paintwork damage caused on mine back in the day and it took 4 1/2 years to get the insurance company to pay out


Cars are more expensive in Ireland.