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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 25 February 2019, 23:27:49
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It looks like Labour will shift policy to back a second BREXIT referendum. ::)
Which got me thinking. :)
Has any country in history ever voted for, fought for or negotiated for independence only to change their minds and end up staying in the situation that they originally wanted to break free from? ??? :-\
If we end up staying in the EU will we break ground as the worlds most spineless country? ??? ::) :-[
Maybe the UN give out an annual prize for the most pathetic country? ;D
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Joking aside, if this happens, blood will be shed.
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but if a 2nd vote came up with a 'stay' result, would we have a best of 3? :-\
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but if a 2nd vote came up with a 'stay' result, would we have a best of 3? :-\
Well according to proponents of the People's Establishment's Vote, democracy never stops and people are entitled to change their mind. :)
Until the 'correct' result is delivered of course. :-X
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Neverendum
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The only surprise is that it has taken this long.
The members of the Labour party were expecting the referendum to return a remain vote. 2 years of government bungling on how to leave the EU - it's a month away, and nobody knows what is going to happen - and the Labour party leadership adopting a roll over and play dead policy has brought this about.
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I said it the minute a second referendum was mooted,
Here it is again.
Will we go back into the EU on the same terms? No
What will be the price? Steep
Will we ever be trusted and respected again? No
I wonder if anyone will have learned from the last four years. For example what will the question be? Will the consequences of rejoining the EU we never left be spelt out without hysteria, project fear etcetc.
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You're only wrong about one thing, Varche.. nobody respected or trusted us in the first place, so no change there!
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The only positive of staying in is that it will be much easier to emigrate to Spain/Canaries than once we have left...
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I've thought for sometime now that we're watching a pantomime with May's 'negotiations' and there were two possible outcomes.
A) Parliament votes for the 'deal' and we get BRINO on 29th March. In the following trade talks during the 'Implementation Period' the EU make impossible demands and as the UK has agreed that the EU control the sequencing of the talks, the EU refuse to 'move on' until specific issues are agreed. Fishing rights for example. On 31st December 2020 there is no agreement on a FTA and the UK goes into the 'Backstop'. TTIP talks are revived with the US and the EU agree that US chlorinated chicken can be sold in the UK. The British press scream blue bloody murder, but the UK government are powerless to intervene. A referendum on rejoining the EU is held and the question is Status Quo or Rejoin. The UK votes to rejoin and the EU agrees to fast track the process...... with conditions.... no rebate, join the Euro and Shenghen.
B) Parliament rejects May's deal. Chaos ensues and to avoid the perceived disaster of leaving with no deal, Parliament votes to extend the A50 period. The EU readily agrees, but refuses a short extension and demands that the UK stay until the end of the current financial framework which secures their money and on condition that Britain holds a second referendum. The UK agrees but during the extension the EU is as inflexible and intransigent as ever and we approach December 2020 with no agreement in sight. The weary Brits vote remain in the second referendum and despite the ECJ's ruling that the UK can revoke A50 and remain in the EU without penalty, Britain comes under intense political pressure to relinquish the rebate in the Multi Annual Financial Framework talks. Prime Minister Corbyn agrees to give up the rebate, Chancellor of the Exchequer McDonnell starts talks to take Britain into the Eurozone and on the day the Queen dies, Home Secretary Abbott quietly announces that Britain has signed up to the Shenghen agreement.
Voila! :D
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Corbyn will never be PM. If elected, I suspect that he will be offed before taking office.
I would also start a petition for a second election because the first was obviously rigged.
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Why wait, DG - send him to God's departure lounge now! :y
Ron.
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Corbyn will never be PM. If elected, I suspect that he will be offed before taking office.
I would also start a petition for a second election because the first was obviously rigged.
Some of what I wrote is obviously tongue in cheek, so don't get hung up on the details. ;)
The general theme is that I don't believe that the establishment will let Britain leave the EU. There are dark forces at work with powerful people looking after their vested interests. :-X ;)
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Corbyn will never be PM. If elected, I suspect that he will be offed before taking office.
I would also start a petition for a second election because the first was obviously rigged.
Some of what I wrote is obviously tongue in cheek, so don't get hung up on the details. ;)
The general theme is that I don't believe that the establishment will let Britain leave the EU. There are dark forces at work with powerful people looking after their vested interests. :-X ;)
I said that on the day the results were announced. I would have bet £100 on it. I still believe the same.
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But apart from all of the above Brexit is going as planned. :)
We have the whip hand. ......it was in the script. :)
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Has anyone noticed the parlous state of UK politics.?
You have a divided country.
you have a deeply divided Tory party
you have a deeply divided Labour party
you have extreme left controlling the labour party (funded by Iran some say)
you have ERG extreme right? in Tory party
you have a walking dead PM (she surely must go once she can no longer kick the can down the road after 29th March)
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But apart from all of the above Brexit is going as planned. :)
We have the whip hand. ......it was in the script. :)
I bet you think no one notices you posting that periodically. ;D
Britain does have some whip hands. It is just that no one has the balls to use them. In fact "No deal" as a possible outcome is one but there are a bunch of scaredy cats ( collaborators?) that want to remove it as a possibility. You could not make it up.
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But apart from all of the above Brexit is going as planned. :)
We have the whip hand. ......it was in the script. :)
I bet you think no one notices you posting that periodically. ;D
Britain does have some whip hands. It is just that no one has the balls to use them. In fact "No deal" as a possible outcome is one but there are a bunch of scaredy cats ( collaborators?) that want to remove it as a possibility. You could not make it up.
I believe it was David Davis who said that negotiations with the EU would be 'very easy' because they had more to lose than us. It was to be a partnership where the UK was the 'dominant' and the remaining 27 would be 'submissive'. :y
As I said, that was the script.
My guess is that 'no deal' ( AKA proper Brexit) is dead in the water. I really don't know where this is all heading. :-\
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.....as for a second vote.
Even the choice of question(s) will probably lead to civil war. :-X Personally I don't think remain should be an option as we already have an answer to that part of the equation.
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I think it should be a choice of
Remain
No Deal
Deal (with details of the deal).
I know to many who voted remain who have now woken up to the actual reality of leaving which they really didn't get at the time (note, I didnlt vote, for various reasons)
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But apart from all of the above Brexit is going as planned. :)
We have the whip hand. ......it was in the script. :)
I bet you think no one notices you posting that periodically. ;D
Britain does have some whip hands. It is just that no one has the balls to use them. In fact "No deal" as a possible outcome is one but there are a bunch of scaredy cats ( collaborators?) that want to remove it as a possibility. You could not make it up.
I believe it was David Davis who said that negotiations with the EU would be 'very easy' because they had more to lose than us. It was to be a partnership where the UK was the 'dominant' and the remaining 27 would be 'submissive'. :y
As I said, that was the script.
My guess is that 'no deal' ( AKA proper Brexit) is dead in the water. I really don't know where this is all heading. :-\
We did have some strong cards to use, the money, the trade deficit, security and military cooperation etc, but pathetically May has completely failed to use them which is why I think that the whole thing is a massive establishment stitch up! :-X
As to the claims that a deal would be easy, those comments were made about the trade deal which they havn't even started on yet due to the EU's inflexibility. ::) The trade deal should be easy as we start at a point of zero tariffs and complete regulatory alignment, but I'm sure that the EU will make it very difficult and drag it out for years! ::)
After all they took a decade to deal with Canada, a liberal democracy with a modern economy. I doubt we'll even get to the FTA talks though.... :-\
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I think it should be a choice of
Remain
No Deal
Deal (with details of the deal).
I know to many who voted remain who have now woken up to the actual reality of leaving which they really didn't get at the time (note, I didnlt vote, for various reasons)
I would just offer this choice.
Yes, it will piss off many remainers of which I am one, but if remain becomes an option after 17.4 million people have voted to leave I can see major problems on the horizon if remain wins.
Best of 3,5,7 anyone. :-X
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I think it should be a choice of
Remain
No Deal
Deal (with details of the deal).
I know to many who voted remain who have now woken up to the actual reality of leaving which they really didn't get at the time (note, I didnlt vote, for various reasons)
I think that it will be something like that to split the Leave vote. ::)
Whatever the question or options are, expect it to be weighted in favour of Remain. :(
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If there is another referendum it'll be worded such that remain gets a clear majority and the govt can proclaim that this is a "Clear message that the people of the United Kingdom value their partnership with their friends in Europe, and wish to forge closer ties than ever"
.. and then we'll have the Euro, a standing European Army, and the Queen will have some sort of terrible accident...
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If there is another referendum it'll be worded such that remain gets a clear majority and the govt can proclaim that this is a "Clear message that the people of the United Kingdom value their partnership with their friends in Europe, and wish to forge closer ties than ever"
.. and then we'll have the Euro, a standing European Army, and the Queen will have some sort of terrible accident...
I believe Phil the Greek no longer drives. :)
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If there is another referendum it'll be worded such that remain gets a clear majority and the govt can proclaim that this is a "Clear message that the people of the United Kingdom value their partnership with their friends in Europe, and wish to forge closer ties than ever"
.. and then we'll have the Euro, a standing European Army, and the Queen will have some sort of terrible accident...
.. and all the EDL, UKIP gammon will get whipped up into a frenzy. ::)
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If there is another referendum it'll be worded such that remain gets a clear majority and the govt can proclaim that this is a "Clear message that the people of the United Kingdom value their partnership with their friends in Europe, and wish to forge closer ties than ever"
.. and then we'll have the Euro, a standing European Army, and the Queen will have some sort of terrible accident...
I doubt we'll ever be able to decide who will decide the wording on the second vote. :-\
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I think it should be a choice of
Remain
No Deal
Deal (with details of the deal).
I know to many who voted remain who have now woken up to the actual reality of leaving which they really didn't get at the time (note, I didnlt vote, for various reasons)
I think that it will be something like that to split the Leave vote. ::)
Whatever the question or options are, expect it to be weighted in favour of Remain. :(
I don't think the above (on paper splitting the leave vote), would split the leave vote, as every single leaver I know wants a hard Brexit... ...actually and even to this day believe the EU will roll over and let us kick 'em in the 'nads.
Like Lord Opti, I'm uncomfortable on a 2nd referendum having a remain option, but as time goes on, believe that if there is one, it should have all available options on it, and proper info given (unlike the first time).
I think the result of a 2nd is irrelevant now. The whole saga has buggered the economy of the insignificant rock in the North Sea. Like it or not, we live in a global society now, and canot exist purely in our own little bubble.
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Like it or not, we live in a global society now, and cannot exist purely in our own little bubble.
Which is exactly what BREXIT is all about. ::)
We can either sit in fortress Europe and gently decline with the rest of them or get out there and engage with the wider world where it is all happening! :)
I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
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I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.
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Like it or not, we live in a global society now, and cannot exist purely in our own little bubble.
Which is exactly what BREXIT is all about. ::)
We can either sit in fortress Europe and gently decline with the rest of them or get out there and engage with the wider world where it is all happening! :)
I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
Agreed, even the Americans understand and accept the concept of global business ::)
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I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.
It's only our most important trading partner because it slowly and sucessfully sucked us into it's control and administration.
How many countries worldwide would love a slice of the UK market , I'd bet you a lot more than 27.
As a believer that the UK is an insignificant little rock I can see why you are petrified of the big peoples world .
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How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.
I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.
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STEMO, I would have preferred you to have said that you are English rather than British, but otherwise I agree with you completely.
Ron.
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How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.
I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.
:y :y :y :y :y :y
Vote STEMO for PM ;D ;D
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How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.
I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.
I concur .
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How many times in our lives have we taken a knock? A big knock? We all get over the change in circumstances and, usually, come out of the other side stronger. I know that things would be very difficult immediately after Brexit, but I firmly believe that we would end up in a better position after a period of time.
People on mainland Europe are of a certain type. We are different. We always have been. Whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, it's true. (Although not for much longer if we keep 'integrating' foreigners). You might well say that I'm living in the past, a dinosaur, but I believe in what I'm saying. We are an odd race, but one thing we have always been is fiercely independent, with a (uniquely British) dislike and distrust of others. That's in our DNA and I'm not about to change for the promise of 'security', financial or otherwise.
I might be more willing to be part of a Europe that was built on fairness and cooperation, but this Europe is something totally opposite. The people that have worked their way to the top of the pile have done so by dealing behind closed doors, while lying to everyone about what their aims are. They want a federal Europe with the capital in Brussels, with, eventually, every last semblance of national identity removed.
Sorry, but I am British, I most definitely am not European.
Absolutely spot on!! :y :y :y :y
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EU Referendum results
By Constituency: 406 : leave 242:remain
by voting area: 263 Leave:119 remain
By party Labour:148 leave: 84 remain
Conservative: 247 leave:80 remain
by MP : 248 leave: 400 remain!
MP,s ARE the problem
Elected to serve but only serving themselves and the extremely flawed and sinking EU;
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Hang on a minute.
Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes
Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes
Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?
I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out. Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.
Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea? Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?
If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?
what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe. When I say east I mean Syria)
In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
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I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.
There you have it in a nutshell.
Do we want to be subsumed by a federal Europe run from Brussels OR do we want a bit of graft and get our sovereignty back? It is nothing to do with trade, passports, Erasmus, lettuces, Irish beef, French wine, whether we will be hungry, richer or poorer. The easy option is just to let The EU run our lives and us be good little worker ants paying for their projects. Next one is an 8 billion tunnel to Africa from Spain( makes HS2 whiteelephant look cheap) built with EU grants.
Oh and wealth of nation? How are the roads holding up? The NHS doing? The poor getting poorer while the rich get richer? I didnt see muchof the wealth going to ordinary people but that is a cornerstone of the Tories policy I believe.
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New ipod?
PRATT so your saying over 60,s should not be allowed to vote on any important issue?
got news for you mate we are a democratic country,even with just 3 votes 2 against 1 wins
if you dont like democracy go live in russia or some other non democratic country
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Hang on a minute.
Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes
Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes
Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?
I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out. Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.
Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea? Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?
If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?
what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe. When I say east I mean Syria)
In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
Lies were told by both sides, but I'm not sure if they were actually believed at the time by the people telling them.
Aaron Banks broke the spending rules, but do you really think that swayed the vote?
The general public have already voted.
No one cares what you thought of the first referendum.
The over sixties made sure that we live in a country that is free to hold referendums to determine it's own future.
Those of us who are too weak and frightened to even try to go it alone are the only ones that are f**ked.
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I wouldn't be troubled by the vitriolic ramblings of that wee boy.
It actually demonstrates clearly the fundamental failings of the remoaners in that it displays a total lack of understanding as to the ethos of democracy.
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Hang on a minute.
Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes
Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes
Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?
I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out. Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.
Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea? Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?
If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?
what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe. When I say east I mean Syria)
In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
This is exactly why no one under the age of 21 or on benefits should be allowed to vote...
I so wanted to type "entitled idiot socialist millenial prick", but this will have to do...
(https://boardofwisdom.com/cachetogo/images/quotes/302470.png)
:-X
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Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future.
Funny thing is that in most cultures around the world older people are respected for their wisdom and experience, but in modern YouKay it's the 16 year olds who know it all and apparently we get progressively dafter as we get older! ::)
Oh! .... Hold on... :-\ ;D
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Inevitably the conversation turned to Brexit on our recent trip around friends and family.
I was truly shocked by some of the reasons why people voted either way. The best by far was a chap worried about his Serbian friend who had lived in Britain for 17 years and both he and his friend were worried he would have to go back.
The country is now so fractured that a second referendum won’t fix anything. It will be like a dog with paralysed back legs.
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I find it hard to understand why some seem to think that Europe is the centre of the universe. :-\
It ain't. But as our most important trading partner, and being a key part of increased wealth of the nation, sometimes a pragmatic view is equally worthy as a pure idealistic one.
With respect though TB like most 'remainers' you're looking at the present and the short term future. It seems to me that very few 'remainers' take a long term view of Britain's future within the EU.
As to the ideological tag that can equally be used for the remainiacs. :)
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Not to worry, Sir Tig.
With Mrs May at the helm like a modern day Boudica everything is under control. :)
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The leave voters will all be dead by the time this gets sorted and I personally (would have) voted based on the option that best secures my employment and least impacts the areas of business I know and understand
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If you didn't vote, you cannot complain. I wonder how many so called remainers actually bothered to vote...
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Not to worry, Sir Tig.
With Mrs May at the helm like a modern day Boudica everything is under control. :)
Don't fall for this modern day crap, it's Boadicea. And there are five continents, not seven.
Oh, and it's Hercules, not Heracles.
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
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If you didn't vote, you cannot complain. I wonder how many so called remainers actually bothered to vote...
I wonder how many who didn't vote were sent to Europe at the last minute to resolve a technical issue in a French factory supplying items for British builds....and therefore missed the opportunity through no fault of their own.
You really are quite the jumped up prick (to much of the time) ;D ;D
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
Your post would be more complimentary to the good doctor if you could actually spell erudite. ;D
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
Yes....Boudica is correct. Perhaps in around AD 60 in what is now named Liverpool they called her something else. ::) ::) ::)
Rumour has it she was worried the scousers would nick the wheels off her chariot. ;)
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I can spell erudite, but my keyboard cannot - ut's dyslexic. :(
Ron.
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Complimentary and complementary often get confused.
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I can spell erudite, but my keyboard cannot - ut's dyslexic. :(
Ron.
Ut is, is ut ?
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I hoped that you would have realised that the "typo" was deliberate, for comic effect.
A Londoner would have understood.....
Ron.
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If you didn't vote, you cannot complain. I wonder how many so called remainers actually bothered to vote...
I wonder how many who didn't vote were sent to Europe at the last minute to resolve a technical issue in a French factory supplying items for British builds....and therefore missed the opportunity through no fault of their own.
You really are quite the jumped up prick (to much of the time) ;D ;D
We all have our moments...
It was actually a royal 'you'. My point being that people are quick to complain as long as they don't have to actually do anything.
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
Yes....Boudica is correct. Perhaps in around AD 60 in what is now named Liverpool they called her something else. ::) ::) ::)
Rumour has it she was worried the scousers would nick the wheels off her chariot. ;)
She has various spellings for her name, Boudicca is one, with Boadicea and Boudica as the others, which scholars, historians and archaeologists use as their wish! :D ;)
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
Yes....Boudica is correct. Perhaps in around AD 60 in what is now named Liverpool they called her something else. ::) ::) ::)
Rumour has it she was worried the scousers would nick the wheels off her chariot. ;)
She has various spellings for her name, Boudicca is one, with Boadicea and Boudica as the others, which scholars, historians and archaeologists use as their wish! :D ;)
I know, Lizzie, but there's just no educating some people.
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"Boadicea" came about as a mis-reading of the original document; it IS Boudica and the erudie Dr. Opti is correct. :y 8)
Ron.
Yes....Boudica is correct. Perhaps in around AD 60 in what is now named Liverpool they called her something else. ::) ::) ::)
Rumour has it she was worried the scousers would nick the wheels off her chariot. ;)
She has various spellings for her name, Boudicca is one, with Boadicea and Boudica as the others, which scholars, historians and archaeologists use as their wish! :D ;)
I know, Lizzie, but there's just no educating some people.
;D ;D ;D ;)
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I hoped that you would have realised that the "typo" was deliberate, for comic effect.
A Londoner would have understood.....
Ron.
I did understand. Hence the lack of a piss taking smiley.
There are no Londoners, not in London anyway. It's been sold to the Arabs and Russians.
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Hang on a minute.
Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes
Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes
Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?
I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out. Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.
Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea? Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?
If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?
what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe. When I say east I mean Syria)
In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
. You should be fFuUuckkkeeed with a wire brush. What a load of drivel, I’ve a good idea of one person who shouldn’t have been allowed to vote! What a tool.
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Maybe the Norwegians know something that some in the UK don't ?
https://www.westmonster.com/1-trillion-sovereign-wealth-fund-backs-brexit-britains-future1/
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Maybe the Norwegians know something that some in the UK don't ?
https://www.westmonster.com/1-trillion-sovereign-wealth-fund-backs-brexit-britains-future1/
Probably closer to the reality of life after EU than the cries of despair that we've been force fed so far...
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Excellent, and down the page there’s the article about Farage standing up for the uk again, more new like this being put in the news/ public domain we need of course, but unfortunately it looks like the remainers and scaremongers have the monopoly there. Didn’t even know about this until I saw it here like most I guess, it’s a crying shame.
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Maybe the Norwegians know something that some in the UK don't ?
https://www.westmonster.com/1-trillion-sovereign-wealth-fund-backs-brexit-britains-future1/
They are investing because everything is so cheap. They are working a 30 year plan and are willing to risk that things will be better by then. This is not the type of investment I want to see. If we're going to go it alone, inward investment is what we need. No point in any future uptick if all the money goes to a foreign investment fund, we need it going to our treasury, or ploughed back into our companies.
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Did I mention I'm not keen on foreigners?
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Valid points, but it does rather seem that the only people not ready for Brexit are our Government and Brussels ::)
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Maybe the Norwegians know something that some in the UK don't ?
https://www.westmonster.com/1-trillion-sovereign-wealth-fund-backs-brexit-britains-future1/
They are investing because everything is so cheap. They are working a 30 year plan and are willing to risk that things will be better by then. This is not the type of investment I want to see. If we're going to go it alone, inward investment is what we need. No point in any future uptick if all the money goes to a foreign investment fund, we need it going to our treasury, or ploughed back into our companies.
You are no doubt right on at least some points, but it does show they have confidence in the UK, which many of its politicians don't.
Happily, it looks like the French might inadvertently help us out by blocking an extension to article 50, because they wont complete capitulation before they will allow us to do that. :)
Meanwhile our good friends in the Republic of Ireland, have been impounding British fishing boats by using their navy to force them to stop fishing in Irish waters, even though their boats are allowed to fish in British waters.
Ive always said they are a hostile country, always have been and should be treated as such. >:(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47401104
Meanwhile, immigration is on the rise again. ::)
Oh for a Govt. which actually cares about, and stands up for our country, as others do for their countries. :(
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Reading between the lines it appears the Dickensian undertaker is softening his approach to Brexit.
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Reading between the lines it appears the Dickensian undertaker is softening his approach to Brexit.
He's got an "approach"? :o
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Reading between the lines it appears the Dickensian undertaker is softening his approach to Brexit.
He's got an "approach"? :o
I think he is coming to the conclusion that a 'proper brexit' is unlikely. Anyone for Brino? :)
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Did I mention I'm not keen on foreigners?
Many moons ago I lived in North Yorkshire. The term 'foreigner' was often used to describe people not born in Yorkshire. :)
I often noticed that man and wife shared similar facial features. :)
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Hang on a minute.
Did lies get told by people supporting leaving Europe ? Yes
Did rules of money spending get broken by leave support organisations ? Yes
Are the general public still too stupid to be allowed to make a decision on the future ?
I honestly think the first referendum was ill thought out. Anyone over 60 shouldn't have been allowed to vote on their grand kids future. The percentage required to leave should have been at least 75%.
Do i think that a second referendum is a good idea? Well given that it's suddenly very clear what the future looks like, so I'd ask what the Brexiters are scared of?
If the future looks better out of Europe, despite the lies they told, then they'll win hands down wont they?
what is clear to me is that Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be held accountable for their actions and come the revolution they'll be first to have British Citizenship revoked, (just after Sajid Javid is deported to Eastern Europe. When I say east I mean Syria)
In conclusion - we are fFuUUckkkeeed
This is exactly why no one under the age of 21 or on benefits should be allowed to vote...
I so wanted to type "entitled idiot socialist millenial prick", but this will have to do...
(https://boardofwisdom.com/cachetogo/images/quotes/302470.png)
:-X
excellent, I tried very hard not to swear or use any insulting language to him,astounding he could even entertain posting that
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Reading between the lines it appears the Dickensian undertaker is softening his approach to Brexit.
He's got an "approach"? :o
Yes its quite weird. Enact the result of the referendum and the 2016 Tory manifesto. He will never rise to the top of his profession. ;D
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Happily, it looks like the French might inadvertently help us out by blocking an extension to article 50, because they wont complete capitulation before they will allow us to do that. :)
Unfortunately, we will capitulate to what ever terms are demanded, as it's all probably all part of the plan to keep us in. :( ::)
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Did I mention I'm not keen on foreigners?
Many moons ago I lived in North Yorkshire. The term 'foreigner' was often used to describe people not born in Yorkshire. :)
I often noticed that man and wife shared similar facial features. :)
Gods own country. It would have been your horns and tail that gave you away. :y
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Breaking news....Theresa's deal is defeated once again. Shock horror ::)
Only by over 100 this time, though, not more than 200.
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So.....we need to copy and paste this thread from the beginning. ;D
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We are FFFFFFFFFFDUCKED :o
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We are FFFFFFFFFFD[highlight]UCKED[/highlight] :o
We're no more f***ed than we were this morning, it was almost a forgone conclusion. Vested interests will tell us otherwise, but .....KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON. :)
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I really don't care anymore now , in or out I'll survive ☺️
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I really don't care anymore now , in or out I'll survive ☺️
Yes......nice and calm, that's the way to piss the EU off. Now.....where's me old kitbag? I'm gonna pack my troubles in it. :)
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I really don't care anymore now , in or out I'll survive ☺️
Yes......nice and calm, that's the way to piss the EU off. Now.....where's me old kitbag? I'm gonna pack my troubles in it. :)
It's a long way to Tipperary, it's a long way to go......... ;D ;D :y
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We are FFFFFFFFFFDUCKED :o
You might be... ;D
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And so the Irish, who were effectively given, and have used, a veto .. have won... :(
Don't blame may .. blame the Irish as they have REFUSED POINT BLANK to reopen negotiations since October.
And to all those who think an extension will acheive anything .. please explain how you renegotiate when the other side refuse to reopen negotiations ??
The EU mantra has been that they will not renegotiate the WA, and they haven't in 3 months .. so just how will any extension actually achieve anything .. when those idiots in Westminister have clearly stated to them that they will not leave with "no-deal" .. it simply tells the EU that they can dictate the terms of any deal .. or we stay (which is what they want)... :(
Of course .. the next interesting bit is when they put conditions on us remaining or extending .... like joining the Euro ? paying for the 2 years of negotiations ??
etc etc etc
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Well said.
We are well and truly shafted as far as negotiations are concerned. Anyne that thinks we can go back in to the EU without any consequences is living in cloud cuckoo land. Funny how the baying dogs that are the media reporters never ask those wanting a peoples vote what conditions do you think the EU would put on going back in.
Ruthless is the word. You only had to see how Junckers and Merkel overuled the vote of the 27 countries on taking migrants to see the true nature of the EU.
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Here's my latest conspiracy theory! :)
Today (Weds) MP's vote against leaving with no deal.
Tomorrow (Thurs) MP's vote to extend Article 50 period.
European Council (EU27) refuse to extend Article 50 period.
Theresa May brings the Withdrawal Agreement back to Parliament for a third time a few days before 29th March and it passes with a slim majority.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland leaves the European Union on 29th May 2019 after a short extension is granted for technical legislative reasons.
The trade negotiations begin, but despite the UK giving major concessions like granting the EU fishing fleet full access to our waters and agreeing joint sovereignty over Gibraltar with Spain, there is little progress due to EU intransigence and inflexibility.
On 1st January 2021 the UK goes into the backstop and despite frantic diplomacy from the UK the EU refuse permission to exit.
The Labour Party under their new leader, Keir Starmer win the 2022 General Election on a platform of a referendum to rejoin the EU.
The referendum is held in May 2023 and the result at the end of a long and acrimonious campaign is 54% in favour of rejoining.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer begins negotiations with the EU to join the EU and it is made very clear that there will be no opt outs or vetoes and the UK will be treated like any other new member.
The United Kingdom joins the European Union as it's 34th* member on 1st January 2025 and on 26th June 2026 becomes the 33rd** member of the Eurozone.
* Meanwhile the West Balkan countries have joined.
** Denmark is the only country to resist intense pressure for all EU countries to adopt the Euro.
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A nightmare scenario, but it could happen. :o
If it did happen, the divisions we see in the UK now would in hindsight, seem like a harmonious utopia.
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Keir Starmer would be popular pm. Same way David Milliband would have been compared with Ed Milliband.
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Yes, if the EU seem intransigent in their "negotiations" now, wait until they've got us under May's deal and we start to talk about the end game where they have everything they want in the bag and we go begging for some scraps. ::)
It would have been a much better strategy to walk away from the table as soon as they started talking about staging the negotiations, or when they allowed Varadkar to dig his oar in. It has been obvious since then that it would come to nothing.
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In 2026 it is announced in Brussels that the single European Defence Force (EUDF) will be established starting with the single European Naval Force (EUNAVFOR).
On 1st January 2028 the Royal Navy is abolished and control of it's vessels and personnel is ceded to EUNAVFOR's HQ in Brest. All former RN ships are renamed after prominent Europeans who have worked in pursuit of European unity and so HMS Queen Elizabeth becomes EUS Angela Merkel and HMS Prince of Wales becomes EUS Jean Claude Juncker. Other former RN ships become variously EUS Michel Barnier, EUS Leo Varadkar, EUS Tony Blair etc and are dispersed to EUNAVFOR's bases across the continent.
Portsmouth and Plymouth naval bases are closed and become retail parks. HMNB Clyde (Faslane) becomes the sole EUNAVFOR base in the UK but is greatly reduced as the Vanguard submarines are moved to Brest and Faslane becomes home to a couple of small fishery protection vessels EUS Nicola Sturgeon and EUS Gordon Brown.
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Here's my latest conspiracy theory! :)
Today (Weds) MP's vote against leaving with no deal.
Tomorrow (Thurs) MP's vote to extend Article 50 period.
European Council (EU27) refuse to extend Article 50 period.
Theresa May brings the Withdrawal Agreement back to Parliament for a third time a few days before 29th March and it passes with a slim majority.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland leaves the European Union on 29th May 2019 after a short extension is granted for technical legislative reasons.
The trade negotiations begin, but despite the UK giving major concessions like granting the EU fishing fleet full access to our waters and agreeing joint sovereignty over Gibraltar with Spain, there is little progress due to EU intransigence and inflexibility.
On 1st January 2021 the UK goes into the backstop and despite frantic diplomacy from the UK the EU refuse permission to exit.
The Labour Party under their new leader, Keir Starmer win the 2022 General Election on a platform of a referendum to rejoin the EU.
The referendum is held in May 2023 and the result at the end of a long and acrimonious campaign is 54% in favour of rejoining.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer begins negotiations with the EU to join the EU and it is made very clear that there will be no opt outs or vetoes and the UK will be treated like any other new member.
The United Kingdom joins the European Union as it's 34th* member on 1st January 2025 and on 26th June 2026 becomes the 33rd** member of the Eurozone.
* Meanwhile the West Balkan countries have joined.
** Denmark is the only country to resist intense pressure for all EU countries to adopt the Euro.
Sure as eggs is eggs this will happen.
We will then go cap in hand and ask (beg) for an extension.
The EU can decide to say yes or no. The EU can decide if any extension will be for a short period or virtual infinity.
Still, at least we will be taking back control. ::) ::) ::)
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In 2026 it is announced in Brussels that the single European Defence Force (EUDF) will be established starting with the single European Naval Force (EUNAVFOR).
On 1st January 2028 the Royal Navy is abolished and control of it's vessels and personnel is ceded to EUNAVFOR's HQ in Brest. All former RN ships are renamed after prominent Europeans who have worked in pursuit of European unity and so HMS Queen Elizabeth becomes EUS Angela Merkel and HMS Prince of Wales becomes EUS Jean Claude Juncker. Other former RN ships become variously EUS Michel Barnier, EUS Leo Varadkar, EUS Tony Blair etc and are dispersed to EUNAVFOR's bases across the continent.
Portsmouth and Plymouth naval bases are closed and become retail parks. HMNB Clyde (Faslane) becomes the sole EUNAVFOR base in the UK but is greatly reduced as the Vanguard submarines are moved to Brest and Faslane becomes home to a couple of small fishery protection vessels EUS Nicola Sturgeon and EUS Gordon Brown.
Albs will be fine with this. :)
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I'm past caring, really I am. It will make eff all difference to me personally and, TBH, this country is not worth me losing sleep over.
I certainly won't bother voting ever again though.
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I'm past caring, really I am. It will make eff all difference to me personally and, TBH, this country is not worth me losing sleep over.
I certainly won't bother voting ever again though.
You've already said that you're leaving on the 29th March whatever happens........that should be enough. :y
Don't worry about the rest of the country.
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I'm past caring, really I am. It will make eff all difference to me personally and, TBH, this country is not worth me losing sleep over.
I certainly won't bother voting ever again though.
You've already said that you're leaving on the 29th March whatever happens........that should be enough. :y
Don't worry about the rest of the country.
Yes. It will be relatively easy. No french wine or cheese, no German sausages and treating Europeans as if they don't exist. That last bit should be simple in Barnsley, they don't tend to live or work here. ;D
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It's nearly time for PMQ's. Should be a friendly, easy going type of debate.
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It's nearly time for PMQ's. Should be a friendly, easy going type of debate.
Get ready for deployment of the "I've lost my voice" defence. ::)
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
It was far worse for those in this country in 1940, but they lived and rose above it all to win a great victory. We can and must do the same with a far simpler challenge :y
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The thread is entitled 'second referendum'. Well, that's not gonna happen now. :)
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The thread is entitled 'second referendum'. Well, that's not gonna happen now. :)
Damn straight. Was never going to happen. So all the whiney leftie clunge can go opps themselves... Twice...
;D
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
You're too gentle... Needs a kick up the arse to really drive it home ::)
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
It was all very predictable as soon as the result of the referendum was announced.
And it has played out pretty much as expected.
I'm beyond caring. The damage has been done (and anyone disagreeing needs to pull their head from their browneye), and we need to limit the damage by doing something - anything - on the 29th. Hard, Soft, No - I care not.
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What are all the twots who've been standing out in the rain waving their 'peoples vote' flags gonna do now. Get a fûckin job?
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What are all the twots who've been standing out in the rain waving their 'peoples vote' flags gonna do now. Get a fûckin job?
Hopefully, then we can stop being bombarded by all the whining ;)
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
You're too gentle... Needs a kick up the arse to really drive it home ::)
As said on the last thread, personal insults of other members will not be tolerated >:(
I fully understand its a very emotive subject, and people have very entrenched, polarised views. But further personal insults will end up in bans.
I personally welcome debate, but we do not have to lower ourselves to the levels of our politicians. We (hopefully) are intelligent and civil enough to keep the debate non personal, and not resort to insults towards those who disagree with our own personal viewpoint.
You have all been warned. And because I'm sick and tired of it, I won't opps around pruning/moderating stuff. Entire threads will go, and people will be kicked off.
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Now hang on a cotton pickin minute. What am I supposed to do all day if I can't insult other members? ;D
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Well there is that painting job you promised the boss you would do. :y
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Now hang on a cotton pickin minute. What am I supposed to do all day if I can't insult other members? ;D
Pull the fridge out and have a spring clean behind it
that should keep you busy* :y
*(if last time was anything to go by)
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Well there is that painting job you promised the boss you would do. :y
I have to recover from taking up the stair carpet first, it can take some time at my age.
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The thread is entitled 'second referendum'. Well, that's not gonna happen now. :)
I wouldn't be so sure about that. :-\
On the face of it, the remain campaign have lost an opportunity to present the EU with a reason to extend A50. ie a lengthy extension to hold a 2nd referendum.
But... Many of the MP's (mostly Labour) who have been campaigning for a 2nd referendum abstained in today's vote, which is why the amendment was voted down.
The only reason I can think of why they did this was to keep their powder dry for a future occasion, when they think that they can win a vote on the 2nd referendum.
I think it's probably a risky strategy as there is no guarantee that John Bercow will allow another vote on the 2nd referendum. :-\
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God forbid that we have a hard, no deal Brexit and everything works out just fine :-X
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Given that ...
May's deal has been rejected twice, (but it appears is going to be voted on again on Tuesday, so possibly thrice)
Second Referendum has been rejected once (but remains Labour Party policy)
No deal has been rejected once (but remains the default option)
The only thing that hasn't been rejected so far is the complete revocation of Art50 (though doubtless that would be rejected if put to the vote too)
Anyone predicting that any of the above is 'not gonna happen' is either brave or foolish.
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I kind of agree, although my unscientific research suggests that the leave vote would be bigger if we had another vote.
As I see it - If the EU allow an extension of article 50 (by no means certain as all 27 have to agree to it) it will very much depend on how long it is.
If it is the short extension requested by May, then she will keep trying to get her deal through, and may well succeed. If she doesn't succeed, we leave on WTO terms.
If they insist on a long extension (1-2 years) Brexit will probably be killed off altogether during that time.
If they refuse an extension we leave on 29th March on WTO terms no matter what Parliament has voted for.
Lets hope they refuse an extension. :)
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We can only hope ;)
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I'm beyond caring. The damage has been done (and anyone disagreeing needs to pull their head from their browneye), and we need to limit the damage by doing something - anything - on the 29th. Hard, Soft, No - I care not.
Yep, only a politician, who has never lived in the real world, can kid themselves that kicking the can further down the road and prolonging the uncertainty isn't the worst possible option. >:(
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Well if the European Council do grant an extension, but insist on a long extension, here's an interesting article (https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/03/martin-howe-it-is-far-better-to-risk-extending-article-50-than-to-accept-mays-bad-deal.html) by Martin Howe giving the viewpoint that it might not be a disaster, but an advantage for the UK.
He basically compares the pros and cons of the so called Transition/Implementation Period under the WA, against the same length of A50 extension and points out that in a long A50 extension we keep our Commissar, MEP's, Judge on the ECJ and the PM still sits on the European Council which wouldn't be the case in the WA Transition Period. ;)
He assumes that at the end of the long A50 period we'd have a clean exit, which I don't think would necessarily be the case, but definitely worth a read though! :y
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So, what he's saying is that it's not as shit as May's deal?
Wow. That's such a high bar against which to judge it, too. ;D
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So, what he's saying is that it's not as shit as May's deal?
Wow. That's such a high bar against which to judge it, too. ;D
You've summed it up nicely Kevin and now Uncle STEMO need not bother to read it with his morning coffee! ;D
I think it's probably aimed at Tory/ERG MP's who are wavering on May's deal. ;)
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So, what he's saying is that it's not as shit as May's deal?
Wow. That's such a high bar against which to judge it, too. ;D
You've summed it up nicely Kevin and now Uncle STEMO need not bother to read it with his morning coffee! ;D
I think it's probably aimed at Tory/ERG MP's who are wavering on May's deal. ;)
Still read it, just for the hell of it.
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Now hang on a cotton pickin minute. What am I supposed to do all day if I can't insult other members? ;D
Read up four posts to yours.. Get a job, layabout :P :P ;D
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
You're too gentle... Needs a kick up the arse to really drive it home ::)
As said on the last thread, personal insults of other members will not be tolerated >:(
I fully understand its a very emotive subject, and people have very entrenched, polarised views. But further personal insults will end up in bans.
I personally welcome debate, but we do not have to lower ourselves to the levels of our politicians. We (hopefully) are intelligent and civil enough to keep the debate non personal, and not resort to insults towards those who disagree with our own personal viewpoint.
You have all been warned. And because I'm sick and tired of it, I won't opps around pruning/moderating stuff. Entire threads will go, and people will be kicked off.
You are of course correct .
In these modern times of heightend sensitivity where upset and umbrage are all too easily suffered by all and sundry I should have been much less brutally frank with the lad and I am angry with myself at my lack of tact .
He , by his own admission and word , is debilitated and scared for his future at the daunting thought of Great Britain having to make its own way in the world, I assure you that I do respect that there are many people like that in the UK.
So to that end ,in the future on any OOF forum I pledge to be more cautious in my retorts to minimise any upset to any single person, persons or group , in this particular case ,a remainer .
I really should have known better than to suggest what I did .
I have to say the threat of being expelled from an assemblage does make one contemplate but is Uh , strangly invigorating .
I therefore bow to your impartial and subjective authority.
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Now hang on a cotton pickin minute. What am I supposed to do all day if I can't insult other members? ;D
Read up four posts to yours.. Get a job, layabout :P :P ;D
I've done my bit, EVWhipper snapper.
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
You're too gentle... Needs a kick up the arse to really drive it home ::)
As said on the last thread, personal insults of other members will not be tolerated >:(
I fully understand its a very emotive subject, and people have very entrenched, polarised views. But further personal insults will end up in bans.
I personally welcome debate, but we do not have to lower ourselves to the levels of our politicians. We (hopefully) are intelligent and civil enough to keep the debate non personal, and not resort to insults towards those who disagree with our own personal viewpoint.
You have all been warned. And because I'm sick and tired of it, I won't opps around pruning/moderating stuff. Entire threads will go, and people will be kicked off.
You are of course correct .
In these modern times of heightend sensitivity where upset and umbrage are all too easily suffered by all and sundry I should have been much less brutally frank with the lad and I am angry with myself at my lack of tact .
He , by his own admission and word , is debilitated and scared for his future at the daunting thought of Great Britain having to make its own way in the world, I assure you that I do respect that there are many people like that in the UK.
So to that end ,in the future on any OOF forum I pledge to be more cautious in my retorts to minimise any upset to any single person, persons or group , in this particular case ,a remainer .
I really should have known better than to suggest what I did .
I have to say the threat of being expelled from an assemblage does make one contemplate but is Uh , strangly invigorating .
I therefore bow to your impartial and subjective authority.
What!? Man up, snowflake. ;D
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I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
I'll be honest. I gives me no pleasure to say "I predicted this when I tried to convince people to vote remain"
I'm tired and scared for the future.
ffs grow a pair of balls.
Snowflake !
You're too gentle... Needs a kick up the arse to really drive it home ::)
As said on the last thread, personal insults of other members will not be tolerated >:(
I fully understand its a very emotive subject, and people have very entrenched, polarised views. But further personal insults will end up in bans.
I personally welcome debate, but we do not have to lower ourselves to the levels of our politicians. We (hopefully) are intelligent and civil enough to keep the debate non personal, and not resort to insults towards those who disagree with our own personal viewpoint.
You have all been warned. And because I'm sick and tired of it, I won't opps around pruning/moderating stuff. Entire threads will go, and people will be kicked off.
You are of course correct .
In these modern times of heightend sensitivity where upset and umbrage are all too easily suffered by all and sundry I should have been much less brutally frank with the lad and I am angry with myself at my lack of tact .
He , by his own admission and word , is debilitated and scared for his future at the daunting thought of Great Britain having to make its own way in the world, I assure you that I do respect that there are many people like that in the UK.
So to that end ,in the future on any OOF forum I pledge to be more cautious in my retorts to minimise any upset to any single person, persons or group , in this particular case ,a remainer .
I really should have known better than to suggest what I did .
I have to say the threat of being expelled from an assemblage does make one contemplate but is Uh , strangly invigorating .
I therefore bow to your impartial and subjective authority.
What!? Man up, snowflake. ;D
Oooerrr......In my new found emotional state I now am deeply offended by that or any other derogatory, compartmentalising or softie inplying slur. :'(
You Sir are a ne're do well.
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Here do... (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gCJswaYsPZWc51iz8)
First call out is free :D
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Here do... (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gCJswaYsPZWc51iz8)
First call out is free :D
I have no option but to graciously inform you that I have instructed my representatives to make contact with you re a hurtful posting directed at myself.
Kind regards .
https://downessolicitors.com/lp1/?gclid=CjwKCAjwmq3kBRB_EiwAJkNDp5xEMWROzu_D49Qm3Vx9J1gYKeXh_ySH-tbx9u06MP1kp4o7JFuE5BoCHxEQAvD_BwE
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I was directing it to individuals...
The service is openly available to everyone regardless of sectarian measures, including, but not limited to: race, colour, politics, orientation (opinion, gender and sexuality), credit score or post code... ;)
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I was directing it to individuals...
The service is openly available to everyone regardless of sectarian measures, including, but not limited to: race, colour, politics, orientation (opinion, gender and sexuality), credit score or post code... ;)
Thank you.
I'm Scottish , you didn't specifically state that we of that ilk could utilise that particular service so by defacto you have marginilised myself and my countrymen ( and women and lgbt groupage ) .
I have informed Messrs Downes.
Kinder regards .
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Here do... (https://photos.app.goo.gl/gCJswaYsPZWc51iz8)
First call out is free :D
I've just been outbid on Ebay and due to the resulting trauma I may be in need of the Wambulance. :'( :'( :'(
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
Alternativly they could complain that they weren't made aware of the full facts of the rules of the site at the time of the offence and insist on a return to the offending post with the ability to ammend it adinfinitum to prevent the ban from being imposed.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
TB is far too soft with you. If I ruled the world, you'd have gone long ago.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
Alternativly they could complain that they weren't made aware of the full facts of the rules of the site at the time of the offence and insist on a return to the offending post with the ability to ammend it adinfinitum to prevent the ban from being imposed.
Either of those options seems feasible. Anything, as long as it takes forever and the ban is never actually implemented.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
TB is far too soft with you. If I ruled the world, you'd have gone long ago.
This is quite a big ask. ;)
You'd miss me if I went....... :-* :-*
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To be honest there is nobody on this forum I dislike. :) .......even those from Miseryside.
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
TB is far too soft with you. If I ruled the world, you'd have gone long ago.
Mmmmmm, upon reflection my jaiket might be on a shaky nail .
If so , I love you all .
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
TB is far too soft with you. If I ruled the world, you'd have gone long ago.
This is quite a big ask. ;)
You'd miss me if I went....... :-* :-*
Why don't you hit the button, then we'd know for sure ;D
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If anyone gets banned from the forum, they'll just have to be British about it.
They'll have to beg for the ban to be reconsidered and, if the decision is that the ban is the ban and there's no room for compromise, they can ask for an extension of at least 12 months, hoping that the ban will go away and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
I have never been banned even temporarily from this forum because I am the most decent chap any of you could hope to meet. :y
However, I have banned twice from the Jag Info forum, the second time the final time. It is a sterile forum full of politically correct male feminists and assorted mangina's.
TB is far too soft with you. If I ruled the world, you'd have gone long ago.
Mmmmmm, upon reflection my jaiket might be on a shaky nail .
If so , I love you all .
I remember the good old days, when we had some proper bust ups. People left, in tears, it was great. ;D But that was before Jaime became a modern man. :(
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I was not, in any way shape or form, directing it to individuals...
The service is openly available to everyone regardless of sectarian measures, including, but not limited to: race, colour, politics, orientation (opinion, gender and sexuality), credit score or post code... ;)
Fixed for glaring typo :D
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Scottish you say?
Genetically hailing from Orkney, you southerners will get no preferential treatment :P
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Scottish you say?
Genetically hailing from Orkney, you southerners will get no preferential treatment :P
You could be a fifth columnist ......
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-orkney-exploring-independence-from-scotland-after-2017-1?r=US&IR=T
Aye , I could see their economy based on the herring and a bit of piracy ....
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What Holyrood forget is that the oil transits through the northern isles ::)
The deal at the independent Scotland referendum was that the Islands would approve of an independent Scotland on the condition that they reserved the right to become independent of Scotland ;D
Interestingly they actually voted both against an independent Scotland and to remain in the EU...
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Scottish you say?
Genetically hailing from Orkney, you southerners will get no preferential treatment :P
are you porridgewogs feeling left out? ;D
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Scottish you say?
Genetically hailing from Orkney, you southerners will get no preferential treatment :P
are you porridgewogs feeling left out? ;D
Porridge**** ...porridge**** ..... ! ( Won't get caught out on that one ;))
You Sir can expect a call from J Noble Daggett on that .
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What Holyrood forget is that the oil transits through the northern isles ::)
The deal at the independent Scotland referendum was that the Islands would approve of an independent Scotland on the condition that they reserved the right to become independent of Scotland ;D
Interestingly they actually voted both against an independent Scotland and to remain in the EU...
Well , by the time their gaol , sorry , goal , is achieved there will be no oil left . :)
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You are of course correct .
In these modern times of heightend sensitivity where upset and umbrage are all too easily suffered by all and sundry I should have been much less brutally frank with the lad and I am angry with myself at my lack of tact .
He , by his own admission and word , is debilitated and scared for his future at the daunting thought of Great Britain having to make its own way in the world, I assure you that I do respect that there are many people like that in the UK.
So to that end ,in the future on any OOF forum I pledge to be more cautious in my retorts to minimise any upset to any single person, persons or group , in this particular case ,a remainer .
I really should have known better than to suggest what I did .
I have to say the threat of being expelled from an assemblage does make one contemplate but is Uh , strangly invigorating .
I therefore bow to your impartial and subjective authority.
Hey, as you well know, I like a bit of banter. And I don't believe in this modern crap of no-such-thing-as-losers and so on. And your sarcasm made me chuckle :y
There are light hearted, jovial insults we all throw at each other, and ones that come across as aggressive and purposely designed to cause offence. So recent ones on here appear to be in that latter category. Its not always easy to tell when there is no body language to see, or eye contact, so me and the other mods have to deal with what we have. And I'd bet every one of them is neutral in any decision around the forum, irrespective of their own personal beliefs - that's why we are all long term mods, because we are bloody good at what we do here.
The original threat stands. Hope that's clear.
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You are of course correct .
In these modern times of heightend sensitivity where upset and umbrage are all too easily suffered by all and sundry I should have been much less brutally frank with the lad and I am angry with myself at my lack of tact .
He , by his own admission and word , is debilitated and scared for his future at the daunting thought of Great Britain having to make its own way in the world, I assure you that I do respect that there are many people like that in the UK.
So to that end ,in the future on any OOF forum I pledge to be more cautious in my retorts to minimise any upset to any single person, persons or group , in this particular case ,a remainer .
I really should have known better than to suggest what I did .
I have to say the threat of being expelled from an assemblage does make one contemplate but is Uh , strangly invigorating .
I therefore bow to your impartial and subjective authority.
Hey, as you well know, I like a bit of banter. And I don't believe in this modern crap of no-such-thing-as-losers and so on. And your sarcasm made me chuckle :y
There are light hearted, jovial insults we all throw at each other, and ones that come across as aggressive and purposely designed to cause offence. So recent ones on here appear to be in that latter category. Its not always easy to tell when there is no body language to see, or eye contact, so me and the other mods have to deal with what we have. And I'd bet every one of them is neutral in any decision around the forum, irrespective of their own personal beliefs - that's why we are all long term mods, because we are bloody good at what we do here.
The original threat stands. Hope that's clear.
Can I apply for a job as an OOF Moderator TB?..... :)
I think I would be very good.
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No I wouldn't be any good or ......no I can't become a moderator?
I see this as a missed opportunity for OOF. :)
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No I wouldn't be any good or ......no I can't become a moderator?
I see this as a missed opportunity for OOF. :)
You should stick with your post as Junior Admin Assistant in the Department For Grim Reaping. :)
Apparently there is opportunity for advancement! :y
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No I wouldn't be any good or ......no I can't become a moderator?
I see this as a missed opportunity for OOF. :)
You should stick with your post as Junior Admin Assistant in the Department For Grim Reaping. :)
Apparently there is opportunity for advancement! :y
Don't think I've forgotten that you are due to meet your maker. 8)
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I see Mr Farage has returned from holiday
https://www.marchtoleave.com/ (https://www.marchtoleave.com/)
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No I wouldn't be any good or ......no I can't become a moderator?
I see this as a missed opportunity for OOF. :)
You should stick with your post as Junior Admin Assistant in the Department For Grim Reaping. :)
Apparently there is opportunity for advancement! :y
Don't think I've forgotten that you are due to meet your maker. 8)
After the day I've had, I'd have welcomed him in to put me out of my misery! ;D
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That good :o
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Dave, that is really funny.
Memes like thatseem to have dried up -at least in my part of the internet.