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Adaptive cruise control?
« on: 19 May 2016, 23:44:53 »

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #1 on: 19 May 2016, 23:57:56 »

i can foresee insurance problems with that....
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #2 on: 20 May 2016, 00:19:19 »

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification. ;)
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #3 on: 20 May 2016, 00:31:56 »

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?

Agree with the comments above - if you must have it buy a car with it fitted.

By the way its not all its cracked up to be ;) - rare I use mine now.
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #4 on: 20 May 2016, 00:33:49 »

Certainly it's at least as easy to press the appropriate button on the stalk to adjust speed up or down ;)
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #5 on: 20 May 2016, 10:17:26 »

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!

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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #6 on: 20 May 2016, 11:16:23 »

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!
You can do all of those things without cruise control ::)
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #7 on: 20 May 2016, 12:02:40 »

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification. ;)

I would do everything above board, but I can't imagine any problem with notifying insurance - cruise control is under drivers control , regardless of whether it's adaptive, isn't it?
Any way, that's another matter. I'm really interested in your knowledge of the electrical side of this. Or anybody's reading this.
I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #8 on: 20 May 2016, 12:23:18 »


I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.

Depends what engine you have .... yours is an add on unit (drivers side inner wing) later cars ie 3.2 & 2.6 are fly by wire throttles and cruise is just a software prog.
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #9 on: 20 May 2016, 15:08:51 »

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!
You can do all of those things without cruise control ::)


Well spotted, I never realised that  ::) Just making the point that any system which requires less concentration from the driver isn't necessarily a better system, that's all.
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #10 on: 20 May 2016, 17:32:57 »

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade the standard cruise control to an adaptive system from later Vauxhalls?

Agree with the comments above - if you must have it buy a car with it fitted.

By the way its not all its cracked up to be ;) - rare I use mine now.
  I have only used mine the once in a 50mph zone & found I got behind something doing 47 , so have never bothered with it since.
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #11 on: 20 May 2016, 18:15:48 »

Yep.. No chance of that working with the electronics in the Omega, and I can imagine the insurance response when you try to declare it as a modification. ;)

I would do everything above board, but I can't imagine any problem with notifying insurance - cruise control is under drivers control , regardless of whether it's adaptive, isn't it?
Any way, that's another matter. I'm really interested in your knowledge of the electrical side of this. Or anybody's reading this.
I know we have a tensioner, probably motorised connected to the accelerator cable, am I correct to presume that this is a standalone unit - perhaps linked to the brake pedal to cancel it.

Any technical knowledge is appreciated.

The point I'm making is that there isn't an out of the box system that does this for an Omega. To make it work, you'd have to tamper with those systems that fail safe handing the driver control. That means they are no longer necessarily fail-safe. One bug in the firmware and you might have a situation where the system accidentally applies full throttle and refuses to release it. A quick acting driver might knock an autobox into neutral or press the clutch if that happened. A lazy driver with adaptive cruise control on would probably not.

I would be surprised if an insurance company would cover such a modification, if made fully aware of what had been done.

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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #12 on: 20 May 2016, 18:54:38 »

I know the same argument is valid with 'old fashioned' cruise, but what a worry that such a thing as 'adaptive cruise control' exists - meaning, with lane departure warning, you can comfortably sit on the motorway and read a paper, or text whilst letting the car do most of the driving for you! Only occasionally glancing up to tweak the steering wheel a smidge. Or drive with your knees, even better!
You can do all of those things without cruise control ::)


Well spotted, I never realised that  ::) Just making the point that any system which requires less concentration from the driver isn't necessarily a better system, that's all.

I seen more, :D
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #13 on: 20 May 2016, 20:04:58 »

Indeed, can add watching telly and cooking to that list :o

Not to mention sleeping either...
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Re: Adaptive cruise control?
« Reply #14 on: 21 May 2016, 10:08:59 »

Its one of those things, if you want it, get a car designed to take it.  Retrofitting will get you in a whole pile of hassle, long before you call the insurance who will pull the plug anyway.

Cars with it have it integrated into the firmwares, AND TESTED!


Most Executive car top end models built in last 3 or 4 years now have it :)
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