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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 16 July 2021, 09:14:28
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I am looking forward to this weekend especially as I will be able to watch live.
Interesting change. Quali today, Sprint race on Saturday.
Will the new format be a success?
Initial look at the 2022 cars is promising in terms of bringing back excitement to the sport especially reducing the wake for a following car.
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Winner of qualifying starts at front of sprint, winner of sprint is pole sitter on Sunday, not sure I like that :-\
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Nor me. It seems like yet more Walt Disney motor racing, that foes nothing to address the real problems with F1.
Dont know yet if next years cars will be able torace closer or not, but they look hideous.
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F1 not that long from now will cease to have internal combustion engines cars, although electric is being ruled out by some.
Hydrogen powered cars seem to be a favoured option: no more roars and smells!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Progress eh? ;D ;D :)
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They are already hybrids that sound like a BSA Goldstar on steroids rather than the spine tingling scream we used to get from the V8 / V10 / V12 engines previously. :(
Having said all that qualifying was superb. Hamilton was on the absolute ragged edge and actually had the car completely sideways near the end of his lap, but was still fasted of all.
George Russell,s 7th place for Williams was bordering on the miraculous.
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I enjoyed that qualifying session, the cheering for George Russell was great :y
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Roll on the “ sprint” race. Russell is pretty impressive.
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I dont often agree with Christian Horner, but he has called for the reintroduction of high revving internal combustion engines, running on sustainable fuel to keep the tree huggers happy.
The most sensible thing I have heard from a team principal for a long time. :)
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Wonder if Norris has recovered from his mugging on last Sunday.
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Russell had a brilliant qually,no way should that Williams get that high :y :y
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I really hope Russell gets Bottas's seat next year. Potential for a really good race tomorrow :y
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The girls are having a little tootle around as I type this.
Perhaps they could stop half way to enjoy a coffee, or buy a pair of shoes. :y
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On paper, the sprint race should be great. 17 laps flat out, no tactics, tyre stops blah blah blah.....
Hopefully the reality pans out that way. We will find out shortly.
Race start 4.30pm. Channel 4.
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Certainly been enough of a build up. Yabber Yabber.
We will see in a few minutes…..
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Turned out to be entirely predictable. The best car came 1st, that's how it works you see, Albs ;D
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Yep it was business as usual. Aerodynamic design means they cant really run close to each other in the fast parts - Perez tried and flew off the road.
And also running close overheats the tyres and destroys them.
These cars are blindingly fast, but they arent really racing cars. :(
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Yep it was business as usual. Aerodynamic design means they cant really run close to each other in the fast parts - Perez tried and flew off the road.
And also running close overheats the tyres and destroys them.
These cars are blindingly fast mind-boggingly expensive, but they aren't really racing cars. :(
FTFY
If you want racing then you need a wider spread of cars and drivers. Which means watching the lower/cheaper classes
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Or go drag racing, dial your own classes very competitive and you dont have to wait 2 hrs to see a winner!!
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Yep it was business as usual. Aerodynamic design means they cant really run close to each other in the fast parts - Perez tried and flew off the road.
And also running close overheats the tyres and destroys them.
These cars are blindingly fast, but they arent really racing cars. :(
Indeed. Horses for courses. If they'd wanted an entertaining "sprint" they should have given the drivers Formula Ford single seaters or Caterham Sevens. ;D
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James Hunt always argued for having the cars all exactly the same and may the best driver win. We actually werent far off that scenario in the 70,s when almost all the teams used the Cosworth DFV engine and built their own chassis within the rules, which were reasonably similar to one another.
Then Chapman discovered ground effect, and Renault turned up with their turbo engines soon after.
F1 has been disappearing down a successive series of blind alleys ever since, presumably trying to find its way back to being the sport it once was.
The harder they try, the more lost they become.
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Used to avidly watch F1 up to about 5 years ago. Now just not bothered. Tour de France ends today. :'(
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Oops
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Christ, that was a gripper !
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It was indeed. :y
Imo Verstappen is trying to be the new Schumacher. Put the other driver in a position where has no choice but to lift off or crash.
Its a bullying mentality, and Hamilton seems to have decided this weekend that he wasnt having it any more.
From the start Verstappen was in panic mode and cracking under pressure.
He was tking the wrong lines through corners, while Hamilton was lining himself up perfectly for the next one.
The only tool Verstappen had was extreme aggression, and pushing the limit of the rules by weaving as much as he could
Verstappen then opened the door almost daring Hamilton to be brave enough to try and go through the gap.
As soon as he did, Verstappen started to turn in on him again, assuming Hamilton would back out of it.
He didnt, and Verstappen paid the price.
Hopefully he will learn some day, that you dont need to be extremely aggressive all the time against your rivals to win, you just need to be at least equal in talent and have at least an equal car.
He has a lot of talent, but he also still has a lot to learn. If he doesnt learn, he probably wont end up a multiple world champion.
Hamiltons performance today was an absolute masterclass in how to go racing.
The guy is just incredible in a car.
Imo Horner and Marko,s comments about the whole thing were despicable.
Horner basically said Hamilton was a dirty dangerous driver, and it was only luck that stopped him killing Verstappen.
Marko has called for Hamilton to be banned for the next race for dangerous driving.
Have they actually watched F1 for the last 15 years.
Hamilton is probably the cleanest driver in the history of the sport.
Its the old Ferarri mentality. They dont care how they win, as long as they win, Not a sporting bone in their bodies.
As Senna said to Jackie Stewart. " When I see a gap I go for it. The day I dont go for it, I am no longer a racing driver".
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Yes. Senna would have gone for the gap.
Racing incident and nothing more, although Mr Spice girl wants blood.
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Seems that being married to the old ginger slapper has made him a miserable little shit. ::) ;D
Never have liked him tbh. Smarmy little ficker. ;)
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Well said Mr V6 Frog. We watched it and replayed it. Does Max.have mirrors on his car?
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Exactly. I can only assume his arrogance led him to believe that he had mentally beaten Hamilton already, so he wouldnt go for the gap. Therefore, no need to check if he was going to have the audacity to come through.
The stewards got it badly wrong imo, but from listening to the radio messages from Horner to them, they had been put under intense pressure.
Woolff said after the race that the rules clearly state that a driver who is trying overtake "owns" the corner, once his front axle is at least past the halfway point of the car in front.
Hamiltons front wheels were level with Verstappens until Verstappen kept his right foot buried and turned in on him.
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Coulthard and Webber were crucifying Hamilton for Verstappen going off then lauding him for getting past Le Clerc on the very same corner, bloody overpaid hypocrites ::)
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Yes, exactly.
Did anyone watch it on Sky? It would be interesting to know what their pundits said at the time. Is Brundle still their commentator?
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I disagree, I think Hamilton was hyped up at his home circuit and was going to pass him anyway he could whether it was dangerous or not, considering it is his a track he knows the best I maintain it was his fault, he knows that corner very very well. I can’t stand the guy, but I must acknowledge he is a very good driver indeed, but he let himself down badly today in my opinion. ( which of course is correct) 😀
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Yes, exactly.
Did anyone watch it on Sky? It would be interesting to know what their pundits said at the time. Is Brundle still their commentator?
They were not critical of Hamilton, they said it was a 'racing incident' and that the stewards usually accepted that these happen on the first lap when all of the cars are bunched up.
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I am thinking that if they had both gone off or failed to continue through damage, then it would have been “ a racing incident”.
I dont think Horner did himself any favours with his demeanour. Ditto Marko. I know that they have a “ million pound repair bill” but they could as easily have had that with Perez ‘s off. He was just lucky.
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Brundle said it was a racing incident. They interviewed the Aston Martin team principal who was very adamant it was a racing incident.
Istr he said something to the effect "are the drivers allowed to race or not ?"
Brundle is about the only TV commentator whose opinons I respect. The others talk varying degrees of shite imo.
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Mm but I prefer this to be more accurate seems as it’s their job......
A statement from the FIA read: “The Stewards reviewed video and telemetry evidence. Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
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Have I missed something? ???
Like a bit of excitement in F1? :o ;D
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Mm but I prefer this to be more accurate seems as it’s their job......
A statement from the FIA read: “The Stewards reviewed video and telemetry evidence. Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
The statement of the stewards is the way I see it too. If Hamilton had made the apex at Copse then his case would have been much stronger that Max didn't leave enough room and turned in on him. However, Hamilton didn't make the apex, missing it by at least half a car's width. Max did appear to leave enough room (at least up to the point of impact) therefore arguing that Max turned in on him is weak at best.
It would be nice to see an overlay of Max's predicted trajectory (assuming impact had been avoided) and whether that trajectory would have left a car's width up the inside at all points around Copse. I assume the stewards have that sort of info, and if it shows Max did leave space then Hamilton is (mostly) at fault IMV. If Max wasn't leaving that space then contact was inevitable and it becomes much more 50-50.
After the impact Hamilton only just remained on track and Leclerc (who took the normal racing line) overtook him up the inside. I do wonder if impact had not happened whether Max would have stayed within track limits, or if he'd have gone wide and Hamilton got up the inside. And if Max had managed to stay within limits would Hamilton have nerfed into the side of him anyway.
Hangar straight into Stowe is not a good overtaking spot. Maggots, Becketts, Chapel are such high speed, high G corners that you can't really follow through there, and they come out onto hangar straight already doing 150 MPH. Hangar straight isn't long enough (even with DRS which isn't active on Lap1) to complete an overtake, and the cars don't brake hard for Stowe, so you can't throw it up the inside there.
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What is wrong with people?
Now we have racial abuse of Hamilton.
Britain is the only country in Europe where we actively do not celebrate our sports people.
In Spain they laud the brilliant efforts of Alonso and Sainz. During the race you wouldnt believe anyone else was in the race. Afterwards it is how well they did.
I can guarantee very few if any Dutch would have been critical of Verstappen.
Hey ho, part of the make up that makes us British.
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It was, as always, tedious. The first half lap was half decent, but from then on in, complete boredom.
F1 needs to sort out the problems following cars in corners, or accept they can't call it a race.
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It was, as always, tedious. The first half lap was half decent, but from then on in, complete boredom.
F1 needs to sort out the problems following cars in corners, or accept they can't call it a race.
I suggest they fit machine guns to the cars to liven it up a bit. :)
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What is wrong with people?
Now we have racial abuse of Hamilton.
Britain is the only country in Europe where we actively do not celebrate our sports people.
In Spain they laud the brilliant efforts of Alonso and Sainz. During the race you wouldnt believe anyone else was in the race. Afterwards it is how well they did.
I can guarantee very few if any Dutch would have been critical of Verstappen.
Hey ho, part of the make up that makes us British.
Was it actually racial abuse or merely people saying they don't like Hamilton?
It turned out that the 'abuse' of Rashford had no racial element......merely people suggesting he was a crap penalty taker.
The MSM decided that a bit of race baiting would spice up an otherwise dull happening.
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Good God Opti, that would never happen surely?👀👀
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I disagree, I think Hamilton was hyped up at his home circuit and was going to pass him anyway he could whether it was dangerous or not, considering it is his a track he knows the best I maintain it was his fault, he knows that corner very very well. I can’t stand the guy, but I must acknowledge he is a very good driver indeed, but he let himself down badly today in my opinion. ( which of course is correct) 😀
Can't be that good if he deliberately crashed into a car that he was trying to undertake rather than braking :-X
Fair play to Max for holding his line. :y
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Oh don’t worry I’m with you on that, but in all fairness he has achieved a lot, however it doesn’t change the fact that I can’t stand him.
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Hamilton is struggling with the fact that he is no longer unchallenged for the top spot. It had to happen at some time, but I don't think he's ready to accept it.
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Yes indeed, but I think he is going to have to get used to it👍
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Red Bull have now talked the FIA into having a review hearing today, in order to try and get Hamilton disqualified from the British GP results, by claiming they have new evidence.
I hope the FIA find Marko and the poison dwarf guilty of being a pair of unsportsmanlike whinging little girls.
RED BULL # GIVES YOU WHINGE # ;D
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Do you think Lewis would take the knee to keep his points?
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I saw that.
Very few sports where competitors or team keep on whining about a judgement. I hope that the FIA say no protests, submissions, emails etc and make their decisions promptly behind closed doors. Of course it is big money. 1.8 million out of a fixed budget to reform Maxs car. Red Bull were lucky that Perez didnt give them a 1.8 million bill for his car too when he shot off.
The comment about Hamilton taking the knee is in poor taste. It wasnt that long ago that Britain did rather well on slavery of mostly coloured people. Today people in Britain are still benefitting from that prosperity. The anti slavers then were met with the same derision and scorn by the haves as is happening today. Abetter debate might be is sport the right platform for such protests? Probably, only because most people dont read or take in anything else but soaps and sport.
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Max would have gone for the same gap, as would Senna and the Brummie bloke.
I thought racing drivers were supposed to race rather than follow each other around. :-\
Not a fan of Hamilton and the BLM victim laden narrative, but the accident was a case of 'six of one and half a dozen of the other'
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Slavery was as much about Africans trading their subjects for goods and services as it was growing bananas/sugar/cotton/tobacco for wealthy white folk to sell to poor white folk.
Apologising for building the global economy by judging business practices 500 years ago by today's standards serves no purpose and is as disrespectful to the slaves as it is to the empire builders.
Sports personalities serve better examples encouraging young and under privileged people to grow and be their own selves rather than brain washing them with whatever happens to be fashionable today.
All this BLM bo lax does far more harm than good and diversity does nothing but constantly remind people of and reinforce those diffences.
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On Slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuVhEdAgOY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuVhEdAgOY)
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The stewards have dismissed Horners submission but Red Bull arent giving up . Submitting a petition for review on Friday. ;D
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The stewards have dismissed Horners submission but Red Bull arent giving up . Submitting a petition for review on Friday. ;D
Thereby proving everything that's wrong with F1 today. All because a driver made the mistake of trying to decide it on the track. ::)
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Meanwhile, Verstappen, who has been saying for the last couple of weeks that he has no interest in all the chatter and isnt going to get involved in it, has ripped into Hamilton and Mercedes.
Mercedes have shown themselves for what they really are, by celebrating after the British GP, and if he had done what Hamilton did, his Dad would have told him he deserved a good kicking !
His Dad does know about such things. He was charged when he fractured a blokes skull at a go kart track who dared to argue with him.
He was charged with violence against his wife, and then with attempted murder of his girlfriend when he ran over her with his car.
The Dutch justice system allowed him to buy his way out of going to jail each time.
The apple didnt fall far from the tree I think. ::)
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Slavery was as much about Africans trading their subjects for goods and services as it was growing bananas/sugar/cotton/tobacco for wealthy white folk to sell to poor white folk.
Apologising for building the global economy by judging business practices 500 years ago by today's standards serves no purpose and is as disrespectful to the slaves as it is to the empire builders.
Sports personalities serve better examples encouraging young and under privileged people to grow and be their own selves rather than brain washing them with whatever happens to be fashionable today.
All this BLM bo lax does far more harm than good and diversity does nothing but constantly remind people of and reinforce those diffences.
Good post I agree.
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In rejecting RB appeal yesterday the Stewards mentioned that they had also made serious allegations against Hamilton, but wouldnt say what they were.
According to reports this morning RB actually alleged that Hamilton deliberately caused the crash, and they therefore wanted him banned from racing !
I suppose this is what happens to sport when £billions become involved. >:( :'(
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In rejecting RB appeal yesterday the Stewards mentioned that they had also made serious allegations against Hamilton, but wouldnt say what they were.
According to reports this morning RB actually alleged that Hamilton deliberately caused the crash, and they therefore wanted him banned from racing !
I suppose this is what happens to sport when £billions become involved. >:( :'(
Looking forward to CH squirming during interviews this weekend when this all falls on it's arse today
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He will be arrogant, indignant, and still playing the victim.
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
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Should be a very interesting race though, wonder how it will pan out?
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Verstappen will qualify fastest and win the race, unless that animal Hamilton knocks him off the track.
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Verstappen will qualify fastest and win the race, unless that animal Hamilton knocks him off the track.
again👍😂
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
Mrs Opti says Hamilton has the demeanour of a gay man.
I don't think he is but he does like to 'mince about' :)
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
Mrs Opti says Hamilton has the demeanour of a gay man.
I don't think he is but he does like to 'mince about' :)
The money he earns would buy alot of camera candy create the right impression. Certainly at his age, all the others are either married with kids or live in a brothel. ::)
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
Mrs Opti says Hamilton has the demeanour of a gay man.
I don't think he is but he does like to 'mince about' :)
Wasn't he caught blowing an ex Man Utd player? Not sure many straight guys would try that. Not that it matters if he's gay, straight or unsure.
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
Mrs Opti says Hamilton has the demeanour of a gay man.
I don't think he is but he does like to 'mince about' :)
Wasn't he caught blowing an ex Man Utd player? Not sure many straight guys would try that. Not that it matters if he's gay, straight or unsure.
I don't think so.....
But apparently he was humming YMCA by the Village people during qualification. ;D
Not sure what that tells you. ::)
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Hamilton complaining about the Hungarian stance on lgbt whatever, can’t he give it a test ffs fkg knob.
Mrs Opti says Hamilton has the demeanour of a gay man.
I don't think he is but he does like to 'mince about' :)
Wasn't he caught blowing an ex Man Utd player? Not sure many straight guys would try that. Not that it matters if he's gay, straight or unsure.
I believe you mean......any straight guys rather than 'many' straight guys. :)
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Victim or empowered?
Either way, he doesn't like it up 'im... Whenever someone gives him a run for his money on the track he either cries foul or crashes, and then cries foul. ::)
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Utter shite. ;D
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Lovely scrap between Alonso and Hamilton, shame for Vettel though as not his fault :-\
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Agree. There were some good scraps. Plenty going on all race.
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Lovely scrap between Alonso and Hamilton, shame for Vettel though as not his fault :-\
Yup, that's how it should be. Shame Hamilton was acting like a spoilt brat complaining of Alonso's driving.
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Alonso did move over on him once at high speed and left him no room,so imo the that complaint was fair enough.
Hamilton is good enough to judge within an inch what is hard but fair, and what is over the line to dangerous.
He probably knew some would ridicule him for it after what happened at Silverstone, but they were two very different scenarios.
Dont really see why Vettel is getting so much praise tbh
He ended up second in bizarre circumstances, and then stayed there for the rest of the race, without making any serious attempts to overtake, in a car he said himself was quicker than the car in front.
Whereas, if Hamilton could have dispatched Alonso at the first attempt, he would have came from last to first, which would have been an epic drive on a circuit that is difficult to overtake on.
Red Bull Gives You Whinge, were in full dummy spitting mode again. Little Jack Horner even childishly refused to accept Woolf,s apology after the race.
Its nice to see failure for a team of people with no class whatsoever. :)
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Alonso did move over on him once at high speed and left him no room,so imo the that complaint was fair enough.
Hamilton is good enough to judge within an inch what is hard but fair, and what is over the line to dangerous.
He probably knew some would ridicule him for it after what happened at Silverstone, but they were two very different scenarios.
Dont really see why Vettel is getting so much praise tbh
He ended up second in bizarre circumstances, and then stayed there for the rest of the race, without making any serious attempts to overtake, in a car he said himself was quicker than the car in front.
Whereas, if Hamilton could have dispatched Alonso at the first attempt, he would have came from last to first, which would have been an epic drive on a circuit that is difficult to overtake on.
Red Bull Gives You Whinge, were in full dummy spitting mode again. Little Jack Horner even childishly refused to accept Woolf,s apology after the race.
Its nice to see failure for a team of people with no class whatsoever. :)
I seem to recall Alonso deliberately blocking Hamilton (his team mate at the time)in the pit lane.
Many years ago now though.
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He is a master of mind games and causing mayhem within teams to his own advantage. Almost put McLaren out of business by doing it.
Young niave Ocon thinks he is a lovely chap and a great mentor. I would imagine Alonso is softening him up for the kill.
He is a very good driver though. Many reckoned him to be one of the all time greats until a young rookie kid driving the same car made him look pretty ordinary.