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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: The Cambelt Kid on 30 September 2008, 17:55:34
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Guys,
Not too sure if anyone can help me? I have a non starter on Colwick Nottingham (not too far from MarkDTM ;)) and i am hoping someone can help? I have tools, spare fuel pump and paper money to hand in anyone can help.
I'm a celeb please get me out of here!!! :'(
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Guys,
Not too sure if anyone can help me? I have a non starter on Colwick Nottingham (not too far from MarkDTM ;)) and i am hoping someone can help? I have tools, spare fuel pump and paper money to hand in anyone can help.
I'm a celeb please get me out of here!!! :'(
A long way off from you I'm afraid, but when you say "non-starter" in what way?
Does the engine turn but not fire?
Does the engine refuse to turn and your main lights are dim?
Does the engine refuse to turn but your main lights and interior ones are all ok?
Need more info please to assist. :y
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Full battery and turns just fine. I have had a long standing issue with this car and i came very close to fitting a new fuel pump yesterday. I have a spare pump in the boot ready but i cant get the tank cover to move, it's jammed solid.
I'm pretty sure its the pump but wont know for sure until it's replaced.
There is fuel pressure but i get hte feeling the pressure isn't enough, hence i thought if the fuel pump. This occured a while back and if i shorted the pump relay out the car started ok, this managed to get the car started 10-15 times.
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Full battery and turns just fine. I have had a long standing issue with this car and i came very close to fitting a new fuel pump yesterday. I have a spare pump in the boot ready but i cant get the tank cover to move, it's jammed solid.
I'm pretty sure its the pump but wont know for sure until it's replaced.
There is fuel pressure but i get hte feeling the pressure isn't enough, hence i thought if the fuel pump. This occured a while back and if i shorted the pump relay out the car started ok, this managed to get the car started 10-15 times.
mmmm! Seems like the fuel pump is the prime suspect! :'(
You need someone close to get a replacement by the sounds of it.
You sound very sure that fuel, or at least not enough of it is getting through? :(
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I think it's the pump but i have never experienced such a problem before. If teh fuel normally runs at 3bar for example, would 2 or 1 bar be such a problem? I didn't realise how important fuel pressure was until now...
I have a replacement pump in the boot ready to fit but can't shift the tank cover, no matter how hard i try.
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I think it's the pump but i have never experienced such a problem before. If teh fuel normally runs at 3bar for example, would 2 or 1 bar be such a problem? I didn't realise how important fuel pressure was until now...
I have a replacement pump in the boot ready to fit but can't shift the tank cover, no matter how hard i try.
In that case I would somehow get that cover off come what may! ;)
There lies the answer to your problem and brute strength may secure it for you! :y
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Thats it, cover off and o9ld pump was quite clean. Put new one back in and still wont start. So that's £47 down the swannie :'(
Now stuck for ideas.
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I can probably pop down for an hour or so....
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So, where are you exactly?
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Could it be the crank sensor. I have a spare good one in the boot from a facelift if any help and not to far away.
PM sent :y
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Hi everyone,
Just got in from today's escapades. Unfortunatly i was forced to leave the car at work.
Anyhow my dad turned up in the end and we tried to start it again but with jump leads connected to his car and still it would not start. I swapped out the fuel pump (in a record 10 mins) and still no go.
SP_32 (Steve) dropped me a line and we chatted about what else it could be and the best thing we could think of was a faulty crank sensor, so maybe this is the best (only) next step.
I'm pretty sure the LPG ECU wiring is ok as once the car is running it runs very well and has not caused any issues. If the LPG wiring to the injectors were to be below standard i would have thought it would affect the car during normal driving.
One thing that really confuses the hell out of me is that for 10 or so failed start i managed to get her started my shorting out the fuel pump relay, but maybe this is a red herring?
Thanks so much for your supoprt Steve :y
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Mark - I was on private road No.4 just off the loop road. The car is all locked up now in a car port so will be ok for now. I need to put her on charge first thing in the morning.
Cheers
Marc
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Is there a way to start it on LPG? It will be grumpy until the vapouriser warms up but that will eliminate a petrol supply problem.
If that doesn't work - crank sensor?
Kevin
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Kevin,
Tried that... my last install on my 2ltr had an easyjet install and LPG starts were very easy and yes it was a bit grumpy for the first ten mins or so, but was on on tickover until warm. I usually switch the V6 onto LPG after about 1 minute and it runs very well.
I tried to start her tonight on LPG by holding down the gas button for 10 secs while starting and it seemed to switch on as the red 'G' LED was lit and the solenoids were open, so maybe i can eliminate the petrol now?
Maybe i am starting to beat around the bush a bit and need to bite the crank sensor bullet! after all my problems seem to only be at engine start and never during running (LPG or Petrol). Once the engine is started both LPG and petrol are as smooth as silk.
The car is at work now so i will put the car on charge in the morning and try to repair after work...
Oh the joys of owning an Omega, can't live with it, can't live without it!
Cheers
Marc
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Kevin,
Tried that... my last install on my 2ltr had an easyjet install and LPG starts were very easy and yes it was a bit grumpy for the first ten mins or so, but was on on tickover until warm. I usually switch the V6 onto LPG after about 1 minute and it runs very well.
I tried to start her tonight on LPG by holding down the gas button for 10 secs while starting and it seemed to switch on as the red 'G' LED was lit and the solenoids were open, so maybe i can eliminate the petrol now?
Maybe i am starting to beat around the bush a bit and need to bite the crank sensor bullet! after all my problems seem to only be at engine start and never during running (LPG or Petrol). Once the engine is started both LPG and petrol are as smooth as silk.
The car is at work now so i will put the car on charge in the morning and try to repair after work...
Oh the joys of owning an Omega, can't live with it, can't live without it!
Cheers
Marc
Might be worth plugging T2 into it
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Hi Mark,
Would a T2 highlight a crank sensor, or is this sensor a suck it and see?
Cheers
Marc
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It should show it up...
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sounds like a good idea if it saves replacing the sensor. I just hope it's not in a 'good mood' and is working when tested.
Does the crank work on the hall effect? as does the cam sensor?
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You'd never guess what - the l**dy car started first time this morning >:(
Now i think the problem maybe heat related becuase i did take the car for a short spin at about 13:00 yesterday luch and then it failed to start at 17:30.
Would a crank sensor cause intermittent warm start problems?
I'm thinking about buying one today and fitting tonight after work...
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You'd never guess what - the l**dy car started first time this morning >:(
Now i think the problem maybe heat related becuase i did take the car for a short spin at about 13:00 yesterday luch and then it failed to start at 17:30.
Would a crank sensor cause intermittent warm start problems?
I'm thinking about buying one today and fitting tonight after work...
YES :y
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You'd never guess what - the l**dy car started first time this morning >:(
Now i think the problem maybe heat related becuase i did take the car for a short spin at about 13:00 yesterday luch and then it failed to start at 17:30.
Would a crank sensor cause intermittent warm start problems?
I'm thinking about buying one today and fitting tonight after work...
most definatly bud !! :y
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Hallelujah!
Whoo hooo i'll take my chances on a £70 sensor and do it after work (if they have it in stock) I've seen a pic of a pre-facelift sensor next to the oil filter in the how2 section, so will my facelift be in the same location? I don't recall seeing it during my recent oil change.
Cheers
Marc (now feeling much happier)
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pedal trick on 2.6. Press brake and gas pedal to the floor, turn key to position 2 and count the flashes from eml
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if you get 0335 is crank sensor, ie 10flashes pause 3 flashes pause 3 flashes pause 5 flashes. Dont drive unnecessarily until changed, car could cut out and leave you with no power steering or brake servo
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No errors just constant stream of flashes... but then i did just start it and it ran ok, so maybe the error won't surface.
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should store the code. Strange one. Any spark issues would show on pedal trick i would have thought. Maybe fuel related? Have you got pressure at the shrader valve on fuel rail? Maybe worth checking next time it plays up?
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I did get a few flashy light yesterday but then cranked again and the EML was clear. Code reader failed to show any errors.
Pressure in fuel rail and pump replaced yesterday in the carpark at work. Tried to start in LPG and this failed also, although i have never tried this before and am not sure in LPG starts work on my car.
Cheers
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I did get a few flashy light yesterday but then cranked again and the EML was clear. Code reader failed to show any errors.
Pressure in fuel rail and pump replaced yesterday in the carpark at work. Tried to start in LPG and this failed also, although i have never tried this before and am not sure in LPG starts work on my car.
Cheers
Was this the EML flashing WHILST CRANKING ?? If so it indicates an immobilisor fault ....
I'm wondering ... on my old miggy I had an irregular starting problem .. it was, eventually, traced to the chip in the keyfob being loose, so not "talking" correctly to the chip in the car .. they have to line up accurately I believe... and every time the keys were in my pocket the chip was moving about. It was solved by the simple superglueing of the chip into the case correctly .. so it no longer moved ....
Might be way off beam but a thought ??? :-/ :-/ :-/
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You'd never guess what - the l**dy car started first time this morning >:(
Now i think the problem maybe heat related becuase i did take the car for a short spin at about 13:00 yesterday luch and then it failed to start at 17:30.
Would a crank sensor cause intermittent warm start problems?
I'm thinking about buying one today and fitting tonight after work...
YES :y
Agreed..
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Hi,
Sorry forget to mention i had foot on gas and clutch pedals to get the EML to light up. I dont think i got the EML during normal cranking.
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Just been in touch with RegVardy (Lenton, nottingham) and they said two are available for the 2.6, not too sure which i need? Does anyone know what the difference is?
p/n 90492006 £58.91 TC (in stock)
p/n 90540743 £37.44 TC
Cheers
Marc
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bound to be the dearer one fella :(
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Just been in touch with RegVardy (Lenton, nottingham) and they said two are available for the 2.6, not too sure which i need? Does anyone know what the difference is?
p/n 90492006 £58.91 TC (in stock)
p/n 90540743 £37.44 TC
Cheers
Marc
It should be 90540743.....and make sure those incompitent thieving shits at that dump give you TC!
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Just been in touch with RegVardy (Lenton, nottingham) and they said two are available for the 2.6, not too sure which i need? Does anyone know what the difference is?
p/n 90492006 £58.91 TC (in stock)
p/n 90540743 £37.44 TC
Cheers
Marc
It should be 90540743.....and make sure those incompitent thieving shits at that dump give you TC!
mmm another place you rate highly then Jamie !!
:-X :-X :-X :-X
:D :D :D :D
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Just been in touch with RegVardy (Lenton, nottingham) and they said two are available for the 2.6, not too sure which i need? Does anyone know what the difference is?
p/n 90492006 £58.91 TC (in stock)
p/n 90540743 £37.44 TC
Cheers
Marc
It should be 90540743.....and make sure those incompitent thieving shits at that dump give you TC!
say it how it is mark !! :D :D
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ha ha i just spat out my dinner as i read that ;D
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Not to sound like as numpty, but can anyone confirm that a facelift crank sensor installation is the same as a pre-facelift?
I have done a few searches on OOF and only found this http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193589434 but i don't recall seeing an sensor in that place on mine. I have a haynes but this only covers upto 2.5/3.0
I am due to start the job about 20:30 (in the dark :'()
Regards
Marc
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Not to sound like as numpty, but can anyone confirm that a facelift crank sensor installation is the same as a pre-facelift?
I have done a few searches on OOF and only found this http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1193589434 but i don't recall seeing an sensor in that place on mine. I have a haynes but this only covers upto 2.5/3.0
I am due to start the job about 20:30 (in the dark :'()
Regards
Marc
Lol, yes its in the same place
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Just been in touch with RegVardy (Lenton, nottingham) and they said two are available for the 2.6, not too sure which i need? Does anyone know what the difference is?
p/n 90492006 £58.91 TC (in stock)
p/n 90540743 £37.44 TC
Cheers
Marc
It should be 90540743.....and make sure those incompitent thieving shits at that dump give you TC!
mmm another place you rate highly then Jamie !!
:-X :-X :-X :-X
:D :D :D :D
Eh? I never said a thing :-/
But, if that is the one one the A56(?) south of Nottingham, then yes, I have to agree....
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sheeet, i have just noticed (if i have found the correct connector) that my crank sensor has 2 pins and the one i bought today has 3...
are the two compatible and can i cop and change the connector?
car is currently on drive so may have to return to vx by foot tomooorw if not :'(
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sheeet, i have just noticed (if i have found the correct connector) that my crank sensor has 2 pins and the one i bought today has 3...
are the two compatible and can i cop and change the connector?
car is currently on drive so may have to return to vx by foot tomooorw if not :'(
The location of crank sensor connector is at back of plenum and from memory are 3 pins. You are looking at the right connection. hth
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You are looking at the wrong sensor........
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i was looking at the one near the oil dip stick... guess this could be a cam sensor?
thanks buddys
right...back to work!
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i was looking at the one near the oil dip stick... guess this could be a cam sensor?
thanks buddys
right...back to work!
thats the knock senser bud crank is at back near dispac :y
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i was looking at the one near the oil dip stick... guess this could be a cam sensor?
thanks buddys
right...back to work!
It would be nice if it was that easy to locate. Good luck and hopefully you will prevail to a fully functioning omega. :y
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i tought this was a plenum in place job, but i guess it's coming off then... im guessing its nr the hbv then?
Cheer
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i tought this was a plenum in place job, but i guess it's coming off then... im guessing its nr the hbv then?
Cheer
you dont need to remove owt to change crank sensor fella as you look at engine its on right hand side near the dispac back of the passenger head should be clipped to a black mount on the rear lifting lug ! :y
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do i have a dispack on mine? i thought 2.6's didnt have them? i've looked all over and cant see a thing.
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Lol, no, the connector is at the back of the passenger head and hangs out near the main connector for the injector loom....if its not been buggered then it will be clipped to a plastic clip on the rear engine mount
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do i have a dispack on mine? i thought 2.6's didnt have them? i've looked all over and cant see a thing.
You're right, fly-by-wire 3.2 & 2.6 cars do not have a DIS pack. You have a coil pack clipped directly onto the top of each bank of 3 plugs.
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rather hell, whoever did the crank sensor last time managed to wedge the cable and heat sheild between to small pipes and hise the connector very well. I just sent 1/2 huggin the gearbox :D
right back on with the sensor
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alright fellas, looks like i'm back in the gang!
Meega failed to start up just before i swapped the sensor and started on key after. :y
The real crunch test will be tomorrow outside my sons school and when i leave work, so fingers crossed.
I can't that you guys for the top class level of support you have given me. As i have said before, i could never afford to run/maintain one of these at any garage price, so thanks a million. :D
:y :y :y :y :y
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Oh and none of the work i did was from the top of the car. I had my arms wrapped around the gearbox and have cuts all the way up with arms :'(
Not too sure if i went the wrong way about things but the connector wasn't so easy to locate and unclip.
Maybe it was replaced before i bought the car and Vauxhall made a sh*t job at re-fitting the new one? It's got a ful stealer history so i can only imagine that Vauxhall did screw it up! >:(
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My old sensoris dangling loose as it is too trapped.
Wired the new one via the brake pipes
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Hope all goes well sounds like you have fixed it :y
Well done :y
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Oh and none of the work i did was from the top of the car. I had my arms wrapped around the gearbox and have cuts all the way up with arms :'(
Not too sure if i went the wrong way about things but the connector wasn't so easy to locate and unclip.
Maybe it was replaced before i bought the car and Vauxhall made a sh*t job at re-fitting the new one? It's got a ful stealer history so i can only imagine that Vauxhall did screw it up! >:(
well ive hurd of tree huggers, but engine huggers...yeah, much better :y
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LOL... well i think my car quite liked the hour long hug and felt much better for it :D
She now starts first time, every time. Just like the goo ol days.