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Ncdc2013
« on: 05 June 2020, 14:50:22 »

Hi all
Quick question
I’ve got Someone breaking a 3.2 elite
It’s has the ncdc 2013 with the colour display
If I bought the unit and the display ( as I’ve read on here they are paired )
Are those the only two things I need to fit them in my car as mine has the ccr2006
I know I’ll have to add some extra wires for the Rgb display , that’s in the top connector
And the antenna for the satnav (wich I won’t need so I leave that )
Is there any thing else I need to know or add
Just want the stereo working with the colour display and for it to show car info like mpg etc
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #1 on: 05 June 2020, 15:19:06 »

Need to know if Bose or not - if different from your car will need configuring for which I believe you'll need the pairing code (on the car pass)

Screen will need programming to match the code index of your vehicle - ie. wheel size, engine size, gearbox type etc unless donor and recepient vehicles are identical, don't think you need the pairing code for that.

Bit of fiddly wiring and may have to swap the cage (can't remember if CCR2006 has a cage with the centre slot in it, plus it may not have the hole for the nav antenna connector.

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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #2 on: 05 June 2020, 22:07:44 »

Hi all
Quick question
I’ve got Someone breaking a 3.2 elite
It’s has the ncdc 2013 with the colour display
If I bought the unit and the display ( as I’ve read on here they are paired )
Are those the only two things I need to fit them in my car as mine has the ccr2006
I know I’ll have to add some extra wires for the Rgb display , that’s in the top connector
And the antenna for the satnav (wich I won’t need so I leave that )
Is there any thing else I need to know or add
Just want the stereo working with the colour display and for it to show car info like mpg etc

Do not want to appear negative, but I have now had two of these units on which the CD player has packed up, no doubt due to the age of these electronics.  So, if you want the CD function, just check it works before undertaking all the work to install the unit.

 Some on here have also added a USB port or similar to bring the NCDC 2013 right up to date. ;)
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #3 on: 05 June 2020, 22:37:24 »

Hi all
Quick question
I’ve got Someone breaking a 3.2 elite
It’s has the ncdc 2013 with the colour display
If I bought the unit and the display ( as I’ve read on here they are paired )
Are those the only two things I need to fit them in my car as mine has the ccr2006
I know I’ll have to add some extra wires for the Rgb display , that’s in the top connector
And the antenna for the satnav (wich I won’t need so I leave that )
Is there any thing else I need to know or add
Just want the stereo working with the colour display and for it to show car info like mpg etc

Do not want to appear negative, but I have now had two of these units on which the CD player has packed up, no doubt due to the age of these electronics.  So, if you want the CD function, just check it works before undertaking all the work to install the unit.

 Some on here have also added a USB port or similar to bring the NCDC 2013 right up to date. ;)

As Lizzie says .. the CD units are renowned for failing, especially if "home burned" CDs are used in them .. it completely knackers the laser lens guide. New lasers used to be available from Germany, very fiddly to change but not actually difficult, although if heavy handed there are a couple of ribbon cables you can mess up easily (don't ask how I know ... :)  ). I got away with it because I obtained a broken unit to practice on before I attempted mine .. which worked for another 8 years ....  when I sold the car it went with another replacement laser I had purchased but not got round to fitting.
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #4 on: 05 June 2020, 23:01:26 »

It’s coming out of a 3.2 elite saloon
Mine is 2.6 elite saloon
My car has Bose and I guess this unit would have Bose too
I’ll see the setup when I go down to pull it out
The seller hasn’t replied as he said he has a buyer for the screen before I enquired for the stereo and screen
I’ve told him the screen on its own won’t work with another unit Unless paired so waiting for response
I guess I would take the cage of him too
Fingers crossed the he comes back with screen and unit
I know about the cd units laser issues but I would probably end up using a fm transmitter on it to play of my phone
The new cig lighter sockets ones ain’t too bad in terms of quality
I’ve always wanted one as they make the dash look so much cooler lol
So to confirm if I buy the headunit and the screen together apart from the Extra wiring for the screen
I don’t need to do anything else ???
The seller has no paperwork for the car so no pass or codes etc
« Last Edit: 05 June 2020, 23:19:01 by tango »
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #5 on: 05 June 2020, 23:43:40 »

If your lucky your loom will already have the plug. If so it will be taped up somewhere near to where the screen fits.
Mine did, although its an Elite and I was swapping from GID to CID display. Might be worth popping your current info screen out to have a look for the plug ?
Probably still need a tech 2 session for a bit of reconfiguring for engine differences.
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #6 on: 05 June 2020, 23:48:10 »

If your lucky your loom will already have the plug. If so it will be taped up somewhere near to where the screen fits.
Mine did, although its an Elite and I was swapping from GID to CID display. Might be worth popping your current info screen out to have a look for the plug ?
Probably still need a tech 2 session for a bit of reconfiguring for engine differences.
If both v6 and both same gearbox and tyre size, the trip computer side of things should be unaffected... Speed and distance both driven by the ABS ecu ;)
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #7 on: 06 June 2020, 18:27:10 »

Yes, both being Elite V6 means the programming of screen shouldn't be required unless the 2.6 is a Manual  :y
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #8 on: 06 June 2020, 19:48:38 »

Help please
So I’ve managed to get the stereo and display
The seller had already cut the loom from the back
So I’ve got about 6” with of loom from the cage
And I also cut the additional loom from the car that goes into the display as mine didn’t have the spare connector behind the dash
I’ve copied alll the wires for the audio and power so iso connector reconnected

Now the new units top connector has extra wires
I copied the ones that were colour matching on to the top of the iso wich matchied into the existing loom

So I’m left with few extra wires
I’ve connected the small connector that goes into the display I’ve matched about 5 wires but no display

The display comes on
Vauxhall sign
Gives me the footbrake warning sign and then disappears when brake pressed
But nothing coming from the stereo
I have still few extra wires
These are
canh (green wire)
canl   ( white wire )
Rev   ( white with black wire )
Syn    ( white wire )

When I turn the stereo on the radio plays
No display on the screen
I can’t do anything other than change volume from stereo or buttons on steering
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #9 on: 06 June 2020, 21:52:22 »

I’ve done some searching thanks to this forum
And connected canh and canl to puns 10 & 11 on the large connector on the display
I’ve got car info showing now
Still have spare wires
Rev ( white/ black wire )
Ter  ( white wire )
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #10 on: 07 June 2020, 00:27:32 »

White/Black is for reverse lights
White - What pin number (either end) do you have for this?
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #11 on: 07 June 2020, 16:15:43 »

Right so I’ve got most of it working
I’ve left the rev wire out pin 29 on the iso


I’ve got some info from a vectra forum
Where it tells me to connect
ISO-block pin 33 ( canh) and pin 25 (ter)together to CID pin 19
But in the omega I’ve connected these to Pin 10 on the larger connector on the cid

Everything seems to work
Apart from the stalk button
Normally when you get check light eg bulb out you can go through them via stalk 
But now that is not working
I can go through them in the stereo

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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #12 on: 07 June 2020, 16:22:34 »

You don't use the stalk buttons with NCDC (hence why the stalk is changed on retrofits) you use the steering wheel controls
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« Reply #13 on: 07 June 2020, 16:28:59 »

You don't use the stalk buttons with NCDC (hence why the stalk is changed on retrofits) you use the steering wheel controls
Ok that cleared that
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Re: Ncdc2013
« Reply #14 on: 07 June 2020, 21:05:25 »

Got it all connected
Seem to work for a short while
And now Im getting display safe
Need help guys
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