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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 03 April 2023, 16:33:42
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My Trusty 2002, 4.4 V8 Petrol Rangie, of the L322 variety.
Last week or the week before, I lent it to the good lady for 24 hours while I did a job on her car.
She sent me a message from work, saying "It's doing it's naughty dashboard thing again". (I've never seen it do anything odd).
Anyway, I had a look when she got back. There are no dash lights at all when turning the key, not the usual handbrake light, engine light - nothing illuminates. The petrol and temp gauges don't move.
When the car starts, a single ABS light comes on the dash.
I've also noticed the power steering is much heavier at slower speeds. It's still assisted, but I think it's lost it's servotronics.
I have kit that will read the various ECU's on this car, so I will try and connect to them and see what it's saying. Can't do it for a few days though, as I left it at my Uncles house when working on his car :(
I should add, in addition to the speedo, it's not logging any miles at all
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As a possible factor - I changed the NSF wheel the day before this happened, but didn't go anywhere near the ABS sensor or it's cable. I will, of course, visually inspect it.
I did think it sounds like an ABS sensor issue - but I know they are also prone to ABS ECU failure too.
Thankfully, it's much easier to get at, than the Omega ones!
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https://youtu.be/VboSJ7aHUzs
https://youtu.be/Qi8JSbVO1WM :D
Not particularly helpful, but might raise a smile :D
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Like many JLR products of the era, it can get tetchy on battery condition. If you are getting multiple, seemingly unrelated electrical gremlins on a JLR product, thats certainly a good place to start.
Fully charge it (with a good charger, not old fashioned shite that will spike it), if the issues go away, suspect the battery.
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
I think the early L322s had the 7 series electrics (hence its extra issues), and the BMW 4.4 incontinent lump. I mean, just imagine, combining 1990s Range Rover reliability with BMW reliability, they never thought that one through ;D
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Maybe a complete shot in the dark , but on the RRS forum a member had a similar problem was advised to check his battery as previously mentioned ( it was brand new & okay) and also all his rear bulbs I can't remember if it was a fault with the stop & tail bulb or the number plate bulbs , however after replacing the bulb all warning messages disappeared, hope you get it sorted ,terrific vehicles when all is functioning properly, thankfully all I've had is the central locking actuator problem had them all replaced in the first 12 months of my ownership & thankfully all good ever since.
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
I think the early L322s had the 7 series electrics (hence its extra issues), and the BMW 4.4 incontinent lump. I mean, just imagine, combining 1990s Range Rover reliability with BMW reliability, they never thought that one through ;D
My 4.4 v8 BMW lump is bulletproof.
I’ve had it 5 years (ish). The car has done 180k.
It’s only “mildly” incontinent. It leaks oil but not enough to require a top up in 3,000 miles.
It uses a half of pint of coolant a month. Has done ever since I’ve owned it, never got worse. Never been able to find it.
Pulls like a train and sounds divine.
Only probs I had in 5 years are:
Gearbox was going to fail safe mode on hot days or when driven hard (2018). I found the cooler was blocked, so replaced that, and the ATF. It’s been smooth as silk for 5 years and never misbehaved again.
Water pump fell to bits (2018) - changed it myself
Suspension airbag blew (2019) - changed it myself along with all front suspension.
Rear wishbones were rotten and front wheel bearing rough (2020) - that was a Serek job!
Brake lights were coming on when the car was parked (2022) - that believe it or not, was a faulty battery! Obviously fixed myself.
In my 39 years on the planet, I’ve had this Rangie longer than any other car, and I absolutely love it.
It runs on LPG just like it does on petrol. Can’t tel a jot of difference all the way to the red-line. And I’ve never touched the gas install - never even changed the filters on it :-[ :-[
I bloody love my 21 year old V8 Rangie and I want to get her up to scratch this summer with some TLC.
I doubt my kids will ever have a 15mpg petrol V8 as a daily driver!
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So we've still to find a BMW 4.4 V8 that can hold on to it's oil and coolant ;D
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
I think the early L322s had the 7 series electrics (hence its extra issues), and the BMW 4.4 incontinent lump. I mean, just imagine, combining 1990s Range Rover reliability with BMW reliability, they never thought that one through ;D
My 4.4 v8 BMW lump is bulletproof.
I’ve had it 5 years (ish). The car has done 180k.
It’s only “mildly” incontinent. It leaks oil but not enough to require a top up in 3,000 miles.
It uses a half of pint of coolant a month. Has done ever since I’ve owned it, never got worse. Never been able to find it.
Pulls like a train and sounds divine.
Only probs I had in 5 years are:
Gearbox was going to fail safe mode on hot days or when driven hard (2018). I found the cooler was blocked, so replaced that, and the ATF. It’s been smooth as silk for 5 years and never misbehaved again.
Water pump fell to bits (2018) - changed it myself
Suspension airbag blew (2019) - changed it myself along with all front suspension.
Rear wishbones were rotten and front wheel bearing rough (2020) - that was a Serek job!
Brake lights were coming on when the car was parked (2022) - that believe it or not, was a faulty battery! Obviously fixed myself.
In my 39 years on the planet, I’ve had this Rangie longer than any other car, and I absolutely love it.
It runs on LPG just like it does on petrol. Can’t tel a jot of difference all the way to the red-line. And I’ve never touched the gas install - never even changed the filters on it :-[ :-[
I bloody love my 21 year old V8 Rangie and I want to get her up to scratch this summer with some TLC.
I doubt my kids will ever have a 15mpg petrol V8 as a daily driver!
The nanny state won't allow it.
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I do have a soft spot for the L322, though probably post 2006ish with the first facelift. But after regularly nicking whatever joshwyatt wasn't using, came to the sad conclusion it doesn't really fit on my drive.
LPG round these parts is rarer than rocking horse shit. I think Gixer is currently commuting on petrol all the time now. Thats why TBE had to go :(
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
I think the early L322s had the 7 series electrics (hence its extra issues), and the BMW 4.4 incontinent lump. I mean, just imagine, combining 1990s Range Rover reliability with BMW reliability, they never thought that one through ;D
Now I'm having flashbacks of wrestling with knackered RRs and equivalent BMWs when they were new. They were better than P38s, but that's like deciding whether you want to be circumcised with an axe or hammer ::)
BMW biggest failure with Land Rover was to not use their best asset: the marketing department that persuades victims that chronic unreliability is a desirable feature(BMW) and not just something you have accept(LR)
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Do Lucas still produce the wiring? :D
I think the early L322s had the 7 series electrics (hence its extra issues), and the BMW 4.4 incontinent lump. I mean, just imagine, combining 1990s Range Rover reliability with BMW reliability, they never thought that one through ;D
Now I'm having flashbacks of wrestling with knackered RRs and equivalent BMWs when they were new. They were better than P38s, but that's like deciding whether you want to be circumcised with an axe or hammer ::)
BMW biggest failure with Land Rover was to not use their best asset: the marketing department that persuades victims that chronic unreliability is a desirable feature(BMW) and not just something you have accept(LR)
Ermmmmm........axe......I think 😳
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Had my L320 TDV8 almost 4 years now , only problem I've had was the central locking which my indi soon sorted now on 104,000 miles & no oil leaks + no top ups between annual service, test drove an SVR recently & was smitten but with insurance quotes at 4 times the amount I pay now it won't be going anytime soon, I've owned over 40 vehicles since 1971 and the RRS is the best of the bunch. Fuel consumption varies between 20-30mpg.
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Had my L320 TDV8 almost 4 years now , only problem I've had was the central locking which my indi soon sorted now on 104,000 miles & no oil leaks + no top ups between annual service, test drove an SVR recently & was smitten but with insurance quotes at 4 times the amount I pay now it won't be going anytime soon, I've owned over 40 vehicles since 1971 and the RRS is the best of the bunch. Fuel consumption varies between 20-30mpg.
If you can afford the insurance on the SVR, Mick, and I'm pretty sure you can, then go for it. It's what money is for at our time of life. Do it.
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I am guessing the SVR is the more recent 494 model which is a whole different car to what you have now, lighter, more nimble, etc etc.
If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
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Had my L320 TDV8 almost 4 years now , only problem I've had was the central locking which my indi soon sorted now on 104,000 miles & no oil leaks + no top ups between annual service, test drove an SVR recently & was smitten but with insurance quotes at 4 times the amount I pay now it won't be going anytime soon, I've owned over 40 vehicles since 1971 and the RRS is the best of the bunch. Fuel consumption varies between 20-30mpg.
If you can afford the insurance on the SVR, Mick, and I'm pretty sure you can, then go for it. It's what money is for at our time of life. Do it.
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Hi Steve, yes I could afford it but I told myself & SWMBO that £1000 was my limit & it came in at a touch over £1450 so really can't justify it ,shame because it was a lovely vehicle .
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
On the outside lane of the M25 during rush hour. :o
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
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Doesn't frighten me a bit , my car just gets me from A to B don't use it as an office..😂
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
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Doesn't frighten me a bit , my car just gets me from A to B don't use it as an office..😂
It's got nothing to do with work. It's so the car company, and anyone else interested enough, can change the software that makes everything work. Or not.
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
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Doesn't frighten me a bit , my car just gets me from A to B don't use it as an office..😂
It's got nothing to do with work. It's so the car company, and anyone else interested enough, can change the software that makes everything work. Or not.
And to bill you for having the temerity to put your heated seats on ;D
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
Its 3G, only the 18My on got 4G
It can operate over 2G as well as 3G so for the Uk, probably no major issues.
That said, I may have a way......let me remind myself
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If you do get it, and its post 17My, insist they update the TCU software as part of the sale
IIRC my disco had to have a module replaced because this update wouldn't take. What's so important about this update?
It fixes some remote connectivity issues and enables software over the air.
That'll scare Rangie ;D
Related, Is her car 3G or 4G? If 3G, what happens when the networks plug the plug on 3G, with some doing so by the end of 2023? Drop to 2G, or stop working as soon as the last network turns off 3G?
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Doesn't frighten me a bit , my car just gets me from A to B don't use it as an office..😂
It's got nothing to do with work. It's so the car company, and anyone else interested enough, can change the software that makes everything work. Or not.
And to bill you for having the temerity to put your heated seats on ;D
Thats FOTA (Feature Over The Air) not SOTA, far to much hassle to be doing stuff like that with SOTA.
SOTA means you can send out a software fix to cars and avoid the owner having to endure a visit to a hopeless dealer.
Only two SOTA'able modules on the mentioned era of RR, telematics and infotainment
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Do you know after reading all this tech stuff I'm really pleased that the insurance quote was beyond what I was willing to pay..😂
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Do you know after reading all this tech stuff I'm really pleased that the insurance quote was beyond what I was willing to pay..😂
Right up until my late fifties I had a list of new cars/vans/bikes that I’d love to own but couldn’t justify or afford. Now I can afford them I don’t actually really want them. I consider them toys, expensive toys, and I fear the novelty would wear off quickly. As I like estate cars for their versatility, I seriously considered buying a new Audi RS6, but soon talked myself out of it. I get in enough trouble with normal cars without having extra temptation. ;D
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Do you know after reading all this tech stuff I'm really pleased that the insurance quote was beyond what I was willing to pay..😂
Right up until my late fifties I had a list of new cars/vans/bikes that I’d love to own but couldn’t justify or afford. Now I can afford them I don’t actually really want them. I consider them toys, expensive toys, and I fear the novelty would wear off quickly. As I like estate cars for their versatility, I seriously considered buying a new Audi RS6, but soon talked myself out of it. I get in enough trouble with normal cars without having extra temptation. ;D
Do it, if it's what you want.
You're just as likely to pick up an instant ban in any old shitbox, especially given your proximity to the car hating public mob. So may as well do it in style and comfort.