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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Zirfeld on 13 March 2019, 18:36:19
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Oh, can someone handle me over more popcorn? I like to follow the parliament debate.....
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If your really interest in what our Parliamentarians have to say, your more than welcome to take most of them to your part of the world and keep them there forever. :y ;D
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Assuming 650 MP's my guess is that 500 of them will vote against a 'no deal' brexit.
.......the population as a whole are probably less concerned about no deal.
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Surely the result of any vote today.....
can be ignored ,debated ,thinned down and never actioned
similar to that vote a while back about leaving the EU ;D
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EU is a mess today. OK. But the ideas are great. Lets start to reform it, not to split it. Europe must be one and GB is a part of Europe. In my opinion the EU grows to fast. Too many losers on board, we all have to pay for.
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EU is a mess today. OK. But the ideas are great. Lets start to reform it, not to split it. Europe must be one and GB is a part of Europe. In my opinion the EU grows to fast. Too many losers on board, we all have to pay for.
Yep...agreed.
How many countries are net contributors, I wonder.
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EU is a mess today. OK. But the ideas are great. Lets start to reform it, not to split it. Europe must be one and GB is a part of Europe. In my opinion the EU grows to fast. Too many losers on board, we all have to pay for.
A German woman , Gisela Stuart, who was a member of our Parliament, and campaigned for Brexit. Said she did so, because she had worked for the EU for approx. 20 years trying to reform it, and in the end had to admit that it is completely unreformable.
It is about centralised power, control and empire building and wont deviate from that no matter what. ;)
Personally, I don't consider myself European at all, and I suspect many, possibly most British people feel the same.
We are, and always have been, quite an independent minded nation.
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If only we were French, then we could be righteously proud of such a mentality :D
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EU is a mess today. OK. But the ideas are great. Lets start to reform it, not to split it. Europe must be one and GB is a part of Europe. In my opinion the EU grows to fast. Too many losers on board, we all have to pay for.
A German woman , Gisela Stuart, who was a member of our Parliament, and campaigned for Brexit. Said she did so, because she had worked for the EU for approx. 20 years trying to reform it, and in the end had to admit that it is completely unreformable.
It is about centralised power, control and empire building and wont deviate from that no matter what. ;)
Personally, I don't consider myself European at all, and I suspect many, possibly most British people feel the same.
We are, and always have been, quite an independent minded nation.
Agreed :y We are different, and anyone who thinks not is obviously a 'tard. ;D
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I wouldn't wish being French on anyone - apart from the French. They deserve to be French and nothing else. ;D
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I am bored shitless with our politicians on this.
Although it has all been very predictable.
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Oh, i know
Of course i am German, but in first line i am Bremer, wherever i live. Bremen is a Hanse town, with traditional very good international connections.
I feel that out. I am a European. Nice to live in Europe, hard to lose the British friends.....
Rolf
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Europe isn't losing its British friends. We have just chosen to cease being governed by the EU, and return to being a Sovereign, self governing nation. That's quite a different thing. :y
However, many of our politicians don't want the job of governing us, despite asking us to elect them to do just that. ::) ;D
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I am bored shitless with our politicians on this.
Although it has all been very predictable.
We need a totally new political class, Will you lead us forward TB to start the cull.
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We have the good habit in the UK of getting out of flawed fatal ideas early, before it really costs, like with the Gold Standard. :y :y :y
We are not leaving Europe, we are not departing from our friends only from the hated EU, where we don't want to be chained to a long term economic corpse but reconnect, embracing and freely trade with the whole World. The EU protection racket has constrained many global opportunities. :y :y :y
Joining TPP and creating many new free trade agreements will show the way ahead for all of EU Europe except protectionist France. On average high tariff goods will be 8% cheaper in the UK post-Brexit.
With many high growth countries the West percentage of world trade has been declining but where the EU has done so badly it is losing the percentage of global trade at double the rate of the US. :-[ :-[ :-[
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I am bored shitless with our politicians on this.
Although it has all been very predictable.
We need a totally new political class, Will you lead us forward TB to start the cull.
Seconded :y
happy to supply the deep trenches and concrete for local disposal :P
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Sounds to me that all these Votes tonight are really going to shake up the EU ;D
At least now Mrs M can go back and threaten the EU and say, right if you dont give us the deal that every MP wants, I going to, We'll going to, I going to, er, well we'll going to, urm .......we'll going to have another Vote, wait one I'l be back next week. ::)
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I just don't care anymore been through worse than this whole clusterf**k.
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Sounds to me that all these Votes tonight are really going to shake up the EU ;D
At least now Mrs M can go back and threaten the EU and say, right if you dont give us the deal that every MP wants, I going to, We'll going to, I going to, er, well we'll going to, urm .......we'll going to have another Vote, wait one I'l be back next week. ::)
Exactly. We never had a good bargaining hand, which is why the deal fell short of the pre referendum promises. We have absolutely nothing left to bargain with.
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Two weeks to go and none of us , especially the politicians know where we are going.
The whole of Westminster needs sacking and their pay and expenses recovered. Set up a war cabinet and take rhe intiative. We have become a nation of frightened witless can’t do it .
When the campaign buses hit the trail prior to the peoples vote2.0 , I do hope the terms of rejoining the EU we never left , are spelt out.
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Now that our Dear Leaders have voted against leaving the EU with no deal under any circumstances, what's the betting that Mssrs Barnier, Juncker and Tusk will be willing to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement? ???
Anyone for a Customs Union? ::)
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You know , all my life I have lived in what I considered to be a democracy . In the many times I have voted I have abided by the outcome ,win or lose , and that was simply down to the belief that that is the fair and , although sometimes unpalatable , correct thing to do.
When I think of the numerous times in my life I have read and listened to reports of disaffected and disillusioned voters in third world and what I considered to be corrupt and disinfranchised countries who had their winning democratic vote stolen from them by an unscrupulous and amoral opposition and I gave it little more than a passing thought.
I can now genuinly feel their anger and distress at being denied a basic human right .
I am utterly ashamed at being British at this moment , ashamed at witnessing the devious, self centered machinations of a group of elected representatives who arrogently deny and thwart the will of the majority vote in a supposidly democratic nation.
Their " I know better than you " attitude is unforgivable and reflective of a society devoid of principles or honour .
I have no doubt that this new sociopolitical approach will be repeated on other voting results by the ignoble members of the HOC and their renewed and much more dictatorial superiors in brussels .
And when it does I hope they feel the fury that I feel right now .
Damn them all.
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We originally signed up to a simple trade agreement/consortium, which was fine - and then we had a political situation forced upon us, effectively losing our sovereignty in the process.
Return to the original EEC and all will be well.....
Ron.
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If voting made a difference, they wouldnt let us do it. Mark Twan allegdedly.l
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very true ;D
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Assuming 650 MP's my guess is that 500 of them will vote against a 'no deal' brexit.
.......the population as a whole are probably less concerned about no deal.
Unless there income can be considered more secure with a deal, they like foreign travel to europe etc etc
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Most of the places people travel to for holidays depend heavily on tourist income, whether they're in the EU or not.
The Canaries and Turkey aren't in the EU, for example, so can't see much changing there.
Travel for work is slightly different and might mean getting visas that previously weren't needed, but the economic demands of both country and company should see that process kept to a minimum... If a country/region makes it difficult to bring staff in for project purposes, then the company will simply move, taking its jobs and spending elsewhere.
The only reason Nissan and Mini keep threatening this is because they are French and German owned respectively.
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You know , all my life I have lived in what I considered to be a democracy . In the many times I have voted I have abided by the outcome ,win or lose , and that was simply down to the belief that that is the fair and , although sometimes unpalatable , correct thing to do.
When I think of the numerous times in my life I have read and listened to reports of disaffected and disillusioned voters in third world and what I considered to be corrupt and disinfranchised countries who had their winning democratic vote stolen from them by an unscrupulous and amoral opposition and I gave it little more than a passing thought.
I can now genuinly feel their anger and distress at being denied a basic human right .
I am utterly ashamed at being British at this moment , ashamed at witnessing the devious, self centered machinations of a group of elected representatives who arrogently deny and thwart the will of the majority vote in a supposidly democratic nation.
Their " I know better than you " attitude is unforgivable and reflective of a society devoid of principles or honour .
I have no doubt that this new sociopolitical approach will be repeated on other voting results by the ignoble members of the HOC and their renewed and much more dictatorial superiors in brussels .
And when it does I hope they feel the fury that I feel right now .
Damn them all.
THAT is how I feel >:(
Democracy is dead in this country because you cannot trust any of our MP's to carry out the wish of those who put them in power in the first place.
ALL the little shits have forget the main thing .............. They work for US, not the other way around >:(
I have never voted labour in my life but Keir Starmer hit the nail on its head last night when he said that May should have sat down with ALL parties 2 years ago and worked out the best way to get out of the EU as per the referendum before we even spoke to Junker and his chums but NO, the arrogant power crazy bitch had to dig her heals in and play power games within her own party >:(
God help the next person who bangs on my door canvasing for any party because I can see me getting arrested :(
Unless its that blond looking for donors for the sperm bank ................... she'll just get a gob full :D :D
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It will be a travesty if TM pulls 'her personal deal' from the dead cat's bowl and brings it out for round 3 of the contest.
It is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular yet even some members of the ERG will vote for it if it becomes a choice between her deal or no brexit. :-\
I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
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It will be a travesty if TM pulls 'her personal deal' from the dead cat's bowl and brings it out for round 3 of the contest.
It is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular yet even some members of the ERG will vote for it if it becomes a choice between her deal or no brexit. :-\
I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Would we all fit in? It must be some size.
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I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Um....about that....
https://www.thenational.ae/world/africa/rising-sea-level-poses-threat-to-seychelles-1.516688 (https://www.thenational.ae/world/africa/rising-sea-level-poses-threat-to-seychelles-1.516688) ;D
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It will be a travesty if TM pulls 'her personal deal' from the dead cat's bowl and brings it out for round 3 of the contest.
It is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular yet even some members of the ERG will vote for it if it becomes a choice between her deal or no brexit. :-\
I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Would we all fit in? It must be some size.
I believe that Rhyl is reasonably close to your home city of Liverpool. Perhaps it could be seen as an 'equal value' substitute for the Seychelles. :)
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I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Um....about that....
https://www.thenational.ae/world/africa/rising-sea-level-poses-threat-to-seychelles-1.516688 (https://www.thenational.ae/world/africa/rising-sea-level-poses-threat-to-seychelles-1.516688) ;D
Hmmm......fortunately I also have a modest little place in St Lucia. ;)
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It will be a travesty if TM pulls 'her personal deal' from the dead cat's bowl and brings it out for round 3 of the contest.
It is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular yet even some members of the ERG will vote for it if it becomes a choice between her deal or no brexit. :-\
I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Would we all fit in? It must be some size.
I believe that Rhyl is reasonably close to your home city of Liverpool. Perhaps it could be seen as an 'equal value' substitute for the Seychelles. :)
I spent many a day there when I was young. Candy floss, fisn'n'chips, fairground rides, stick of rock to bring back, sick in the car on the way home........happy days.
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It will be a travesty if TM pulls 'her personal deal' from the dead cat's bowl and brings it out for round 3 of the contest.
It is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular yet even some members of the ERG will vote for it if it becomes a choice between her deal or no brexit. :-\
I'm seriously thinking of moving full time to my holiday home in The Seychelles if this farce continues. :) I suggest you all do the same. :)
Would we all fit in? It must be some size.
I believe that Rhyl is reasonably close to your home city of Liverpool. Perhaps it could be seen as an 'equal value' substitute for the Seychelles. :)
I spent many a day there when I was young. Candy floss, fisn'n'chips, fairground rides, stick of rock to bring back, sick in the car on the way home........happy days.
As did many. :y
Sadly it now has a reputation as a Grade A shithole. :-\
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Reminds me of our holiday home at Telacre near to Rhyl in the 1950s. It was basically a shed on the beach.
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Hmm Rhyl. Went there on a touring holiday in the early 80s. It was closed as it was a Sunday. We ate peanuts out of a vending machine.
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Hmmm......fortunately I also have a modest little place in St Lucia. ;)
Truly a relief to us all, in sure! :y
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Hmm Rhyl. Went there on a touring holiday in the early 80s. It was closed as it was a Sunday. We ate peanuts out of a vending machine.
About as good as Rhyl gets, I think.
I'm informed that these days Rhyl is a dumping ground for kiddie fiddlers, adult sex offenders, along with the general prison population, drug addicts, and the long tern unemployed.
But don't let that put anyone off going. I'm sure it's still the same charming little seaside resort underneath. :)
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Well Mr Speaker has put the cat amongst the pigeons! ;D
Whether he has done it because he is worried about parliamentary procedure or by rumours that May's terrible deal might get voted in at the third or possibly fourth/fifth time, is moot IMO. As the only people who can make 'substantial' changes to the WA are the EU. ;)
Ball in your court M. Barnier! :)
Tick Tock! :y
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Teflon. It would soon be back in the UK court.
Maybe the amswer is no deal and then both sides sit up and realise they need to grow up. Two months of proper negotiations with oily robbins replaced by a negotiator with Britains interests at heart. Then four months of trade deal negotiations with a way forward quickly implemented to reduce business uncertainty.
Or we continue as is..........
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If we, the UK , were of no value or threat to the brussels boys brigade then they would have tired of us long time ago and cut us adrift .
Funding and absolute control that's what this is all, and only ,about.
I've read so many opinions about the PP required to allow any progress or change to the rapidly diminishing options available and if any are correct then it would seem impossible for any outcome other than an exit on the 29th .
Somebody has to win.....
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As I understand it, the only way that the Government can bring the WA to another vote in it's current unaltered form, is to close Parliament and reopen a new session which would mean a Queens Speech and a State Opening of Parliament, which would clearly be a complete farce. ::)
Alternatively Bercow has said it must be substantially different, which I think means changing the WA and the EU have consistently refused to do that. ::)
So as it stands the options are a long extension of the A50 period (not certain) or leaving without the WA in place. I'm not going to say No Deal, because there are already lots of mini deals in place covering customs, aviation, haulage etc :y
Has anyone noticed that the re-mainstream media have gone quiet on the No Deal scaremongering recently? ::)
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..and it'll only take one EU state to be mischievous and block an extension to substitute that cat for a fox. ;D
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You mean like Italy is reported to be considering as a favour to Farage?
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I cannot find words (which would be allowed on OOF) to describe how I feel (and have always felt) about squeaker Bercow.
He is utterly hateful. He has tried to steer the direction of Brexit in Parliament since the beginning, albiet in a relatively subtle way.
What he did yesterday was beyond belief, when he had said in January, that Parliament must not be held back by precedent.
He has waited until it appears that the only alternative to her crap deal is a long extension of A50, (and with it a good chance to kill off the referendum result), and then took it upon himself to override Parliament completely, to try to push it into extending A50 as its only option.
Once upon a time he was the most right wing Tory in the Commons, until old Sally the slapper got her claws into him. She must know how and when to change his mind. ::)
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You mean like Italy is reported to be considering as a favour to Farage?
In some respects it might be a favour to everyone. A "p*ss or get off the pot" ultimatum to the lot of them rather than an opportunity to keep kicking the can down the road..
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Or Austria looking for fishing rights :D
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Or Austria looking for fishing invasion rights :D
Fixed that for you. We all know what the Austrians are like. ;)
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Or Austria looking for fishing invasion rights :D
Fixed that for you. We all know what the Austrians are like. ;)
Well, they certainly don't have form for it... Much ;D
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I don't actually think what he did is necessarily a bad thing from my perspective, but Im angry that he did it for the wrong reasons.
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I couldn't give a toss. This country deserves whatever the EU decides to mete out. But woe betide the first European who says, in front of me, that we are a pushover. They will get a bruising reminder that it's our politicians that are a bunch of wánkers, not members of the public.
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Or Austria looking for fishing invasion rights :D
Fixed that for you. We all know what the Austrians are like. ;)
Not all Austrian's are bad. Hitler and Fritzel had their good points. :)
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I'm pissed off with the whole sorry affair, couldn't give a flying f**k what happens now , will carry on with my life & I'm damn sure I won't let it affect me .
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I'm pissed off with the whole sorry affair, couldn't give a flying f**k what happens now , will carry on with my life & I'm damn sure I won't let it affect me .
No, nor could I. :y ;)
reckon I'll be dead before anything is finally sorted one way or another ::) ::) :o :o
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I don't actually think what he did is necessarily a bad thing from my perspective, but Im angry that he did it for the wrong reasons.
Whatever his motives are, anything that helps kill May's shitty deal is a good thing IMO as that is BRINO Max. ::) Essentially a full member of the EU, but without voting rights. >:(
The Political Declaration which is part of the package, even has a provision for extraditing people for political crimes FFS! >:( >:( >:(
Makes you wonder what they are planning.... :-\ ::)
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I would still take No Deal over anything suggested thus far :-X
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Absolutely. :y
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So May is going to ask for a short extension.
I cannothelp but think this is all scripted and pre agreed with the EU.
The crucial date is end of June. To avoid European elections.
Come he end of June and we have a further but longer extension because surprise surprise we havent agreed diddly squat, we will still be at n the EU but have no representation. I suppose that matters not to the remain at any cost brigade.
What a mess
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It would seem when she asks she has to specify short extension/long extension then the EU has to vote on whether to allow it to happen,but that'll be down to Germany telling them which way to vote.
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So May is going to ask for a short extension.
I cannothelp but think this is all scripted and pre agreed with the EU.
The crucial date is end of June. To avoid European elections.
Come he end of June and we have a further but longer extension because surprise surprise we havent agreed diddly squat, we will still be at n the EU but have no representation. I suppose that matters not to the remain at any cost brigade.
What a mess
I believe that the whole stramash has been orchestrated , choreographed and directed by the eu from the evening of the referendum.
If you stand back and observe it from day one it's almost impossible to believe that so many mistakes, lost opportunities, poor judgement, lack of understanding and simple incompetance could be forthcoming from so many people charged with negotiating a dignified exit .
I now believe the eu is a much more darker, sinister and dangerous organisation than ever, they knew exactly what had/has be done to beat the vexatious UK into submission and set the plan into motion immediatley.
It has been proven on more than one past occassion that when a "democratic" vote goes against their wishes they simply ignore it ,issue an edit and have it repeated to produce the required result.
Joe Public (not a known OOF member name admin...) is a greater cretin than I ever considered.
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So May is going to ask for a short extension.
I cannothelp but think this is all scripted and pre agreed with the EU.
The crucial date is end of June. To avoid European elections.
Come he end of June and we have a further but longer extension because surprise surprise we havent agreed diddly squat, we will still be at n the EU but have no representation. I suppose that matters not to the remain at any cost brigade.
What a mess
I was listening to the idiot, left wing Campbell (Nicky) on radio five this morning, and one of the people in the know told him that we cannot, by law, be part of the EU without representation in the EU parliament. I still have a small amount of hope that it could all go wrong for the snowflakes, and we will crash out without a deal.
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
We are not necessarily f*cked, but both of the main political parties certainly could end up that way. A huge political vacuum will have to be filled after this is all done and dusted and, if I ever bother to vote again, it will be for the extreme right wing party that I hope emerges from the ashes.
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
We are not necessarily f*cked, but both of the main political parties certainly could end up that way. A huge political vacuum will have to be filled after this is all done and dusted and, if I ever bother to vote again, it will be for the extreme right wing party that I hope emerges from the ashes.
Is this wise?.......... ::) ::)
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
We are not necessarily f*cked, but both of the main political parties certainly could end up that way. A huge political vacuum will have to be filled after this is all done and dusted and, if I ever bother to vote again, it will be for the extreme right wing party that I hope emerges from the ashes.
Is this wise?.......... ::) ::)
Whatever could go wrong there? ::)
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
We are not necessarily f*cked, but both of the main political parties certainly could end up that way. A huge political vacuum will have to be filled after this is all done and dusted and, if I ever bother to vote again, it will be for the extreme right wing party that I hope emerges from the ashes.
Is this wise?.......... ::) ::)
Whatever could go wrong there? ::)
In Barnsley in might not make much difference........the whippet will still get walked. :)
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Brexiteers are between a rock and a hard place.
They could be forced to decide between a TM brino or 'no deal'.........if so they will vote for Brino. :-X
an extension could well end in a second referendum, or an even softer Brino, or deciding we remain in the EU. ::)
I think we are f*cked. :-X
We are not necessarily f*cked, but both of the main political parties certainly could end up that way. A huge political vacuum will have to be filled after this is all done and dusted and, if I ever bother to vote again, it will be for the extreme right wing party that I hope emerges from the ashes.
Is this wise?.......... ::) ::)
Whatever could go wrong there that hasn't already ? ::)
FTFY
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I was listening to the idiot, left wing Campbell (Nicky) on radio five this morning, and one of the people in the know told him that we cannot, by law, be part of the EU without representation in the EU parliament. I still have a small amount of hope that it could all go wrong for the snowflakes, and we will crash out without a deal.
Interesting choice of words.
Courtesy Wikipedia:
Snowflake: [Person displaying] an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.
As far as I can work out, we're replete with snowflakes on both sides of this argument. There's the "I didn't like the answer so let's run the referendum again" snowflakes and the "why didn't our politicians get me what I was promised, I want my lovely diamond encrusted leave deal" snowflakes on the other.
;D
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I was listening to the idiot, left wing Campbell (Nicky) on radio five this morning, and one of the people in the know told him that we cannot, by law, be part of the EU without representation in the EU parliament. I still have a small amount of hope that it could all go wrong for the snowflakes, and we will crash out without a deal.
Interesting choice of words.
Courtesy Wikipedia:
Snowflake: [Person displaying] an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.
As far as I can work out, we're replete with snowflakes on both sides of this argument. There's the "I didn't like the answer so let's run the referendum again" snowflakes and the "why didn't our politicians get me what I was promised, I want my lovely diamond encrusted leave deal" snowflakes on the other.
;D
Pah! What does Wikipedia know? A snowflake is someone who doesn't agree with me. >:(
;D ;D
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I don't think most sane folk expected a diamond encrusted leave deal.
There is a huge difference between negotiating a hard deal and tackling arising issues head on TO rolling over and following the EU script. Ironic isn't it that we may have a no deal exit and yet no one countenanced that all along. In fact some morons wanted it removing as a bargaining tool. We might have had a better deal if we had whacked the table earlier on with no deal every time the EU trotted out its pre ordained script.
I watched an item on Euronews (not surprisingly yet another pro EU media) this a.m. It was a Danish farmer explain why after Brexit bacon won't feature on UK full English breakfasts. I would have loved to ask:
Do you really think Brits would stop buying bacon?
You wouldn't be allowed to sell bacon to the UK?
If there was a bacon shortage presumably the UK would be in a position to turn set aside land into pig production with appropriate grants and assistance.
Did anyone see that an ad had been pulled from TV for "get a loan from someone like "Quid Quick Now" to fund your Brexit stockpiling. Quite right. Apparently 1 in 5 people in the Uk are stockpiling for Brexit. Anyone actually know anyone doing this?
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I believe that the full expression is "Whiny leftie millennial snowflake"
But apparently that falls into the realms of stereotyping and picking on them for their shortcomings... ::)
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I believe that the full expression is "Whiny leftie millennial snowflake"
But apparently that falls into the realms of stereotyping and picking on them for their shortcomings... ::)
Shortcomings? Some of them are proud to be described that way.
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I don't think most sane folk expected a diamond encrusted leave deal.
There is a huge difference between negotiating a hard deal and tackling arising issues head on TO rolling over and following the EU script. Ironic isn't it that we may have a no deal exit and yet no one countenanced that all along. In fact some morons wanted it removing as a bargaining tool. We might have had a better deal if we had whacked the table earlier on with no deal every time the EU trotted out its pre ordained script.
I watched an item on Euronews (not surprisingly yet another pro EU media) this a.m. It was a Danish farmer explain why after Brexit bacon won't feature on UK full English breakfasts. I would have loved to ask:
Do you really think Brits would stop buying bacon?
You wouldn't be allowed to sell bacon to the UK?
If there was a bacon shortage presumably the UK would be in a position to turn set aside land into pig production with appropriate grants and assistance.
Did anyone see that an ad had been pulled from TV for "get a loan from someone like "Quid Quick Now" to fund your Brexit stockpiling. Quite right. Apparently 1 in 5 people in the Uk are stockpiling for Brexit. Anyone actually know anyone doing this?
It was set out in black and white when A50 was invoked that the EU could and would not negotiate any post Brexit positions with a current (soon to be ex) member state. Their position in the 'negotiations' since then hasn't changed. No deal was the only outcome. The only surprising thing is that our government has yet to realise this.
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I believe that the full expression is "Whiny leftie millennial snowflake"
But apparently that falls into the realms of stereotyping and picking on them for their shortcomings... ::)
Shortcomings? Some of them are proud to be described that way.
I never suggested that they were bright :D
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
I may have this wrong but it seems Tusk is insisting we vote again on the piss poor Brino deal or no extension.
Surely I'm wrong.......
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
I may have this wrong but it seems Tusk is insisting we vote again on the piss poor Brino deal or no extension.
Surely I'm wrong.......
I hope so as there is no way the EU should dictate whether or not another vote should take place!!
As a "remainer" I am now just keen for us to get out and leave this disaster behind us. >:(
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
I may have this wrong but it seems Tusk is insisting we vote again on the piss poor Brino deal or no extension.
Surely I'm wrong.......
I hope so as there is no way the EU should dictate whether or not another vote should take place!!
As a "remainer" I am now just keen for us to get out and leave this disaster behind us. >:(
I agree, Lizzie.
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
I may have this wrong but it seems Tusk is insisting we vote again on the piss poor Brino deal or no extension.
Surely I'm wrong.......
He also demanded that Theresa May kiss his big, fat arse on the balcony at Buckingham Palace. Right on the ring piece, clinkers and all. No word yet on whether she agreed. ;D
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He also demanded that Theresa May kiss his big, fat arse on the balcony at Buckingham Palace. Right on the ring piece, clinkers and all. No word yet on whether she agreed. ;D
Doesn't appear to cross any of her "red lines" so I guess so... ;D
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I have spoken to a surprising number of remainers who now want to get out asap. I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed their mind.
Those who are calling for a second referendum might need to be careful what they wish for. :)
Bercow has apparently ruled out allowing her to have another vote on the deal, and Tusk has apparently ruled out an extension to A50 without the deal being voted through, so...….? ? ? ?
Wil she resign tonight ? :-\
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I have spoken to a surprising number of remainers who now want to get out asap. I have yet to meet a leaver who has changed their mind.
Those who are calling for a second referendum might need to be careful what they wish for. :)
Bercow has apparently ruled out allowing her to have another vote on the deal, and Tusk has apparently ruled out an extension to A50 without the deal being voted through, so...….? ? ? ?
Wil she resign tonight ? :-\
Basically, Bercow will do as he's told by the house. They can always have a (very quick, very decisive) vote to ignore him. Little shit.
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That's Bercow, Albs, not you. ;D
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Piss off Stephanie, ya big girlie. :P
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Piss off Stephanie, ya big girlie. :P
You can expect a knock on the door from two big, hairy arsed coppers. Avril and Gayle. ;D
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According to one source at least the poll suggest that a second referendum would result in a remain decision-I'd still vote leave.I still think if there were a second referendum that it should not include the remain option,that question has been asked and answered but rather deal as it stands[however that may be at the time]or leave with no deal.
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I don't think we can be dictated to by the EU.
It is up to us if we vote for a third time on TM's personal idea of Brexit.
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Apparently its up to the poison dwarf in the big chair. :D
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I don't think we can be dictated to by the EU.
It is up to us if we vote for a third time on TM's personal idea of Brexit.
Where have you been for the last ten years? ;D The EU does dictate. The one country veto is going in favour of qualified majority. You vill do vott you are told.
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Apparently its up to the poison dwarf in the big chair. :D
As I explained before, he can be shot defeated by a vote in the house.
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Apparently its up to the poison dwarf in the big chair. :D
As I explained before, he can be shot defeated by a vote in the house.
But do we want to be in the position where we have a third vote on a deal that nobody wants because the EU tells us we have to?
Sounds more like taking orders from the EU than ' taking back control '....... :-\
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So as I see it Burkow has put himself in a bit of a spot. :)
He's denied the government having a third go at passing the WA citing parliamentary procedure, while probably hoping to influence events towards a long A50 extension. ::)
However now Donald Tusk has said there can only be a short extension and only if the WA is passed by Parliament.
What does he do now? ???
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So as I see it Burkow has put himself in a bit of a spot. :)
He's denied the government having a third go at passing the WA citing parliamentary procedure, while probably hoping to influence events towards a long A50 extension. ::)
However now Donald Tusk has said there can only be a short extension and only if the WA is passed by Parliament.
What does he do now? ???
Screams and screams until he makes himself sick...........probably.
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Who actually think Thersa May's deal is a good deal?
Parliament clearly believe it to be a sack of shit. They have made their views known twice.
Only the EU and a batty delusional old woman from the home counties like it.
looks as though the EU is in total control.
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Who actually think Thersa May's deal is a good deal?
Parliament clearly believe it to be a sack of shit. They have made their views known twice.
Only the EU and a batty delusional old woman from the home counties like it.
looks as though the EU is in total control.
That's what I said earlier.
One man and a dog couldn't do a better job.
They don't want a no deal , they don't want a good UK deal , they want THAT deal.
It gives them everything they want and the history books to say that TM took UK out of EU on a negotiated deal , good or bad , that will be debated ad infinitum.
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The EU have always been in total control and basically none of our lot have had the bottle to tell them where to go.
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
She will make a speech from Downing Street at 20:15, according to the BBC.
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"We will fight them on the beaches,we will..." Oh,hang on that ones been done :D
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Apparently Comrade Corbyn walked out of a planned meeting of party leaders this evening because Chuckup Umunna was there. ::)
Way to go Comrade! ;D
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Apparently Comrade Corbyn walked out of a planned meeting of party leaders this evening because Chuckup Umunna was there. ::)
Way to go Comrade! ;D
Like a bunch of stupid, spoiled brats. How can any of them think they are worthy of our votes ever again. I'm struggling to think which one I think the worst of, but I always reserve a special hatred for Corbyn.
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He also demanded that Theresa May kiss his big, fat arse on the balcony at Buckingham Palace. Right on the ring piece, clinkers and all. No word yet on whether she agreed. ;D
Doesn't appear to cross any of her "red lines" so I guess so... ;D
They're voting on the details... could be a while ::)
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We are definitely getting into 'cut your nose off to spite your face' territory now. People are so entrenched that they refuse to recognise anyone else's proposition, even if it appeals to them, for fear of being seen as backing down.
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Corbyn, in particular, is trying to wreck the whole process. He is deluded that he will win any forthcoming general election, and has made that his goal, to the detriment of everything else.
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
She will make a speech from Downing Street at 20:15, according to the BBC.
Or 20:30, or 20:45, or...........
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Corbyn, in particular, is trying to wreck the whole process. He is deluded that he will win any forthcoming general election, and has made that his goal, to the detriment of everything else.
Hardly. Just like all the Tories who might have callenged May for the leadership, he knows that he doesn't want to be responsible for the clusteropps that Cameron, May, parliament, the EU bureaucracy, both parties and the electorate have caused between them.
There is no way out of this that won't create a longlasting politcal problem.
Taking back control is a joke, our politicians have proved they couldn't control an unplugged kettle.
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Breaking news 5.00 p.m.
Leo Varadker says he understands prime minister Theresa May will address the UK public this evening.
Oops more evidence of who is pulling the strings! If she was in charge she would have briefed the media.
She will make a speech from Downing Street at 20:15, according to the BBC.
Or 20:30, or 20:45, or...........
Should have asked Varadker what actual time.
High farce. Still greater heights to reach. We are the laughing stock of the world. I have given up trying to defend it to Spanish friends.
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Well apparently the EU have said if they allow a short extension it would only be to 22nd May due to EU elections.
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Well apparently the EU have said IF they allow a short extension it would only be to 22nd May due to EU elections.
;)
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
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We're not back to you in a phonebox again are we, 'cause that little revelation left me feeling decidedly queasy.
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We're not back to you in a phonebox again are we, 'cause that little revelation left me feeling decidedly queasy.
STMO started it with his uncalled for comments about the amount of urine found in the old red box.
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
Stingray.
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
Stingray.
Impressive Stephanie .
But who often said " My friend Zarrin....."
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
Stingray.
Impressive Stephanie .
But who often said " My friend Zarrin....."
No idea :-\
There was a Zarin in supercar, but I don't remember that phrase.
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My friend Macron........has said that, if the deal doesn't go through.....it's a no deal!
Always liked him. ;D
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Not now, Friend Zarin? I remember that.
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But then again, I'll probably be saying "Now who's a fool?" in a minute. ;D
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Find out tomorrow...
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
Stingray.
Yes.......Marina was pretty sexy for dumb bitch. ;)
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If an A50 extension is refused then there are two choices, revoke A50 or leave with no formal withdrawal agreement.
The bookies are offering 5/2 on the government revoking A50 and 3/1 on leaving without the withdrawal deal. :)
If this whole episode has taught me one thing, its that you shouldn't place money on the outcome of any part of it! ;D
Anything can happen in the next half hour..........from which sixties classic?....😊
Stingray.
Impressive Stephanie .
But who often said " My friend Zarrin....."
No idea :-\
There was a Zarin in supercar, but I don't remember that phrase.
Even more impressive Steph.
Circa 9.51 in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rbI95HO_knU
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
They keep tormenting us with the possibility of a no deal, but can you actually see that bunch of self-interested cowards in the commons letting it happen. They would rather we are a subservient satellite of the motherland, devoid of any sort of sovereignty, as long as life is 'quiet' for them.
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If she cant get a majority to vote for her deal then its no deal - unless they actually cancel the whole thing at the last minute.
I seriously doubt she will get a majority. Especially after last nights performance.
Time will tell. :)
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
I think that they'll rightly reject her deal again next week, but will go on to revoke A50.
The petition to revoke A50 has about 1.1 million signatures, there is going to be a huge anti Brexit march in London on Saturday and I think that our 'representatives' will do anything but allow the UK leave the EU with no formal agreement. :(
The quiet majority will be over ruled and ignored..... :-\
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
I think that they'll rightly reject her deal again next week, but will go on to revoke A50.
The petition to revoke A50 has about 1.1 million signatures, there is going to be a huge anti Brexit march in London on Saturday and I think that our 'representatives' will do anything but allow the UK leave the EU with no formal agreement. :(
The quiet majority will be over ruled and ignored..... :-\
It's up to us whether we're ignored or not.
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If she cant get a majority to vote for her deal then its no deal - unless they actually cancel the whole thing at the last minute.
I seriously doubt she will get a majority. Especially after last nights performance.
Time will tell. :)
More likely a long extension of 2 years or more.😣
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There's a report on Lokk North now about a bunch of people who are off to London to demand Brexit. The remoaners will not get it all their own way.
I hope there's no fisticuffs.
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
I think that they'll rightly reject her deal again next week, but will go on to revoke A50.
The petition to revoke A50 has about 1.1 million signatures, there is going to be a huge anti Brexit march in London on Saturday and I think that our 'representatives' will do anything but allow the UK leave the EU with no formal agreement. :(
The quiet majority will be over ruled and ignored..... :-\
What an event for the history books , Brexit cancelled within hours of it occurring .
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
I think that they'll rightly reject her deal again next week, but will go on to revoke A50.
The petition to revoke A50 has about 1.1 million signatures, there is going to be a huge anti Brexit march in London on Saturday and I think that our 'representatives' will do anything but allow the UK leave the EU with no formal agreement. :(
The quiet majority will be over ruled and ignored..... :-\
If Brexit fails to transpire it will be down to the weakness of the Brexiteers, like Boris Johnson and David Davis, to take charge of their project to leave and have failed to be the leaders we needed on that side of the camp. With the whole British political field working against each other and showing an unwillingness to reflect any idea of compromise that previously us, the British, are famous for, an immense crisis has been created.. An utter cock up!! >:( >:( >:(
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There's a report on Lokk North now about a bunch of people who are off to London to demand Brexit. The remoaners will not get it all their own way.
I hope there's no fisticuffs.
Was there not a march that started in Sunderland at the weekend ?
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Well, its now her deal, no deal, or if the MP,s have the front to do it - cancel Brexit.
At this moment no deal must look like the favourite, but a week is a long time in politics.
I think that they'll rightly reject her deal again next week, but will go on to revoke A50.
The petition to revoke A50 has about 1.1 million signatures, there is going to be a huge anti Brexit march in London on Saturday and I think that our 'representatives' will do anything but allow the UK leave the EU with no formal agreement. :(
The quiet majority will be over ruled and ignored..... :-\
If Brexit fails to transpire it will be down to the weakness of the Brexiteers, like Boris Johnson and David Davis, to take charge of their project to leave and have failed to be the leaders we needed on that side of the camp. With the whole British political field working against each other and showing an unwillingness to reflect any idea of compromise that previously us, the British, are famous for. An utter cock up!! >:( >:( >:(
I will always remember Davis and Tusk standing at the podium on so many occassions post meetings .
Davies laughing and smiling like a big school boy wearing short trousers four years older than he should and Tusk quietly staring out into the crowd showing no emotion akin to a Gestapo officer with the power of life or death.......
Worlds apart .
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There's a report on Lokk North now about a bunch of people who are off to London to demand Brexit. The remoaners will not get it all their own way.
I hope there's no fisticuffs.
Peaceful protest is part and parcel of our democracy and they should be left alone to get on with it.
Counter protests should be banned as they often stir up trouble. Look what happened in Charlottesville. :-X
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The petition of over a million signatures might be worth taking notice of once it reaches 17.4 million, and they can prove that there was no infiltration by bots.
Ive no doubt Parliament would revoke article 50 if they thought they could get away with it. It just depends if they believe they can be crafty enough to do it without causing utter chaos.
If it doesn't transpire it wont be the fault of the Brexiteers. She told them they were in charge of the project and they thought they were until she landed them with Olly Robbins deal at Chequers. They were then shocked to discover all their work had just been a front, and the real negotiations had been taking place behind their backs. They had no choice but to resign.
It will be the fault of the Tory MP,s who voted her into office, and then bottled the chance to vote her back out a month or so ago.
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There's a report on Lokk North now about a bunch of people who are off to London to demand Brexit. The remoaners will not get it all their own way.
I hope there's no fisticuffs.
Peaceful protest is part and parcel of our democracy and they should be left alone to get on with it.
Counter protests should be banned as they often stir up trouble. Look what happened in Charlottesville. :-X
I would have agreed with that until recently .
Remember , these are the people that are trying to usurp the ethos of democracy ......
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The petition of over a million signatures might be worth taking notice of once it reaches 17.4 million, and they can prove that there was no infiltration by bots.
Ive no doubt Parliament would revoke article 50 if they thought they could get away with it. It just depends if they believe they can be crafty enough to do it without causing utter chaos.
If it doesn't transpire it wont be the fault of the Brexiteers. She told them they were in charge of the project and they thought they were until she landed them with Olly Robbins deal at Chequers. They were then shocked to discover all their work had just been a front, and the real negotiations had been taking place behind their backs. They had no choice but to resign.
It will be the fault of the Tory MP,s who voted her into office, and then bottled the chance to vote her back out a month or so ago.
If they had been the politicians they pretend to be they would not have given up, but fought on, maneuvering around all others to reach their objectives. Churchill, or even Lloyd George would not have given up but hammered home their views. As they are both as weak as piss that was never going to happen, and certainly the pretence of Boris has been blown. ;)
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Let's stop all this inwards navel gazing ... there is a deal, sitting there, waiting to be signed, except that the EU have allowed Varadaker to hijack one portion of it, and have now given him an effective veto.
If the so called "back stop" was removed the deal would fly through ... but Varadaker will not budge, so the EU are allowing the "no deal" simply to appease the Irish.
The EU have been asking what we want since October .. they have been told .. remove the backstop .. but Varadaker simply says "No"
Why, oh Why, do the press not actually report the truth ??
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So the EU have said we can extend to 22nd May as long as the deal as it stands is voted through.This would be the vote that Bercow has said they can't have,if they do have this third vote - as they're determined to do-where does that leave the authority of the Speaker[whether Bercow or anyone else]?Stop delaying and dithering and just get Brexit done and dusted then we can all move on instead of this constant merry-go-round of uncertainty.No deal might not be the best outcome but at least everyone will know where they stand.
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Let's stop all this inwards navel gazing ... there is a deal, sitting there, waiting to be signed, except that the EU have allowed Varadaker to hijack one portion of it, and have now given him an effective veto.
If the so called "back stop" was removed the deal would fly through ... but Varadaker will not budge, so the EU are allowing the "no deal" simply to appease the Irish.
The EU have been asking what we want since October .. they have been told .. remove the backstop .. but Varadaker simply says "No"
Why, oh Why, do the press not actually report the truth ??
Even without the back stop it's a terrible deal. ::)
So bad, that we are better off in the EU IMO as it leaves us more or less as an EU Protectorate. >:(
I hope to hell that the ERG and DUP stand firm and reject this abortion and at least if they end up revoking A50, we live to fight another day. ;)
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Why am I not surprised, that I hear today, that MP's, all of whom, according to the estimable John Bercow, are "doing their best" are now going to vote against May's deal in a fit of pique because she slagged them off yesterday. >:( >:( >:(
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Why am I not surprised, that I hear today, that MP's, all of whom, according to the estimable John Bercow, are "doing their best" are now going to vote against May's deal in a fit of pique because she slagged them off yesterday. >:( >:( >:(
Whatever it takes.... ::)
Lets be very clear, the Withdrawal Agreement does not involve us leaving the European Union and it shouldn't be called May's Deal. It should be called Barnier's Directive. :-X
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There's a report on Lokk North now about a bunch of people who are off to London to demand Brexit. The remoaners will not get it all their own way.
I hope there's no fisticuffs.
Peaceful protest is part and parcel of our democracy and they should be left alone to get on with it.
Counter protests should be banned as they often stir up trouble. Look what happened in Charlottesville. :-X
There's nothing peaceful about this episode. MP's on both sides of the discussion have been receiving death threats. Not the usual cranky ones, serious enough for the police to advise them on moving about securely.
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Why am I not surprised, that I hear today, that MP's, all of whom, according to the estimable John Bercow, are "doing their best" are now going to vote against May's deal in a fit of pique because she slagged them off yesterday. >:( >:( >:(
Whatever it takes.... ::)
Lets be very clear, the Withdrawal Agreement does not involve us leaving the European Union and it shouldn't be called May's Deal. It should be called Barnier's Varadaker's Directive. :-X
FTFY :(
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I have preached for as long as I remember that R.O.I. is a hostile state to the U.K. and I think recent events have proved me right.
When this is all over, we should remember who are friends were and weren't.
I watched a bloke being interviewed on SKY news today who seemed quite passionate about the fact that Parliament should remember that it still has the option to revoke article 50, rather than the deal/ no deal scenario.
I was stunned to see the caption at the bottom of the screen showed him as one of the UK negotiators to the EU !!
I thought then that we never really stood a chance with people like that negotiating for us. >:(
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Let's stop all this inwards navel gazing ... there is a deal, sitting there, waiting to be signed, except that the EU have allowed Varadaker to hijack one portion of it, and have now given him an effective veto.
If the so called "back stop" was removed the deal would fly through ... but Varadaker will not budge, so the EU are allowing the "no deal" simply to appease the Irish.
The EU have been asking what we want since October .. they have been told .. remove the backstop .. but Varadaker simply says "No"
Why, oh Why, do the press not actually report the truth ??
I think truth is a scarce commodity in media circles nowadays , and Trump was lampooned for saying it.
I watched the news ribbon on Sky earlier where they announced that the military had staffed a nuclear bunker below Whitehall in preparation for a no deal brexit. In other words they put some people into use the comms system available and it just so happened that it was a bunker initially designed for use in a nuclear event . A crude play on words for project fear .They are repugnant .
Varadker has used the whole debacle to his and Irelands supreme advantage ,from threatening the return of violance to suggesting that residents with UK driving licenses will be arrested if caught driving on the roads , to even threatening to withdraw the use of airspace to UK flights . His stance is to boost irish nationalism and the feeling of worth and this is his moment.
ireland despises Britain and to a much deeper level than you in UK realise .
I have said before they if they were given six counties they would be absolutely fu**ed . The north is simply ungovernable and the simple southern politicians would be swamped by unscrupulous , deeply devious and bitterly opposed groups that would never accept the change from UK sponsored life to the disjointed and more costly irish one. It would be a long, difficult and indefinate excercise.
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But........apart from all this, things seem to be going pretty smoothly.
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
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You know , I can see a no deal becoming a reality here and then I'd bet that it would be MADE to be a disaster from within UK just so the media , sanctamonious politicians et all could have the smug satisfaction of saying " there , we told you so .."
Will it ever be normal again :-\
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
The ECJ, the highest court in the land has found otherwise. ;)
Actually, I think that revoking A50 will require legislation to repeal the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, but if we get to that stage they won't be struggling to find MPs willing to vote for it! ::)
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
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You know , I can see a no deal becoming a reality here and then I'd bet that it would be MADE to be a disaster from within UK just so the media , sanctamonious politicians et all could have the smug satisfaction of saying " there , we told you so .."
Will it ever be normal again :-\
I was never normal, so I'll be ok. :)
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
I don't think facebook is a democracy..... :-\
It is strange though, these people putting up these sites on facebook to promote their political views, but then they immediately ban people who come along with an opposing opinion. ::)
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
I don't think facebook is a democracy..... :-\
It is strange though, these people putting up these sites on facebook to promote their political views, but then they immediately ban people who come along with an opposing opinion. ::)
That's one thing I'll never have to worry about. I don't know how to work an arsebook.
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
I don't think facebook is a democracy..... :-\
It is strange though, these people putting up these sites on facebook to promote their political views, but then they immediately ban people who come along with an opposing opinion. ::)
That's one thing I'll never have to worry about. I don't know how to work an arsebook.
Ditto, neither do i want to. :)
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You know , I can see a no deal becoming a reality here and then I'd bet that it would be MADE to be a disaster from within UK just so the media , sanctamonious politicians et all could have the smug satisfaction of saying " there , we told you so .."
Will it ever be normal again :-\
In a word NO. There have been too many bridges burnt now for anything that happens to be classed as normal.
I saw the bit about the military in the event of a no deal. A casual observer might assume it would be to drive urgent medical supplies off one of Grayling's ferries whilst a million lorries are held up on one or both sides of the channel by politician's ideology. Think a bit deeper and it will be to help our overwhelmed police force (anyone actually seen a policeman in the last twelve months?) with civil disorder. That could be anything from looting toilet roll shops, angry mob outside parliament, these idiots issuing death threats to MPs or worse. We are in the social media era now. (Except STEMO and ronnyd of course)
The whole issue of Brexit has been handled badly from day one.
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
I don't think facebook is a democracy..... :-\
It is strange though, these people putting up these sites on facebook to promote their political views, but then they immediately ban people who come along with an opposing opinion. ::)
That's one thing I'll never have to worry about. I don't know how to work an arse.
We've heard.... :D
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BTW, one of the authors of article 50 has said it cannot be revoked without another referendum or a general election. So the signatories to this petition have wasted their ink. You can't just change what the people voted for without the people asking you to change it......apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47661277/article-50-author-responds-to-petition
Thanks for that Uncle STEMO! :y
I'll post that on Devon For Europe's facebook page, where they are getting orgasmic about the petition! ;D
They might brand me a troll and ban me though as they don't like dissenting views... ::) ;D
Surely things like that can't happen in a democracy such as ours?
I don't think facebook is a democracy..... :-\
It is strange though, these people putting up these sites on facebook to promote their political views, but then they immediately ban people who come along with an opposing opinion. ::)
That's one thing I'll never have to worry about. I don't know how to work an arse.
We've heard.... :D
Look..if you're not gonna be serious then kindly refrain. ;D
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having not read all the comments posted. but having heard Nigel Farage saying that he would have sent negotiators to companies hoping i guess to put pressure on their respective governments to point out how the uk ,s brexit plans would also cause problems to their trade. i dont think spanish veg & fruit growers will want all their produce rotting in trucks. firms like Varta sell millions of euros in the uk of their products. real negotiators could have maybe done things different to May.
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You know , I can see a no deal becoming a reality here and then I'd bet that it would be MADE to be a disaster from within UK just so the media , sanctamonious politicians et all could have the smug satisfaction of saying " there , we told you so .."
Will it ever be normal again :-\
Yup. On March 30th ;)
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You know , I can see a no deal becoming a reality here and then I'd bet that it would be MADE to be a disaster from within UK just so the media , sanctamonious politicians et all could have the smug satisfaction of saying " there , we told you so .."
Will it ever be normal again :-\
Yup. On March 30th ;)
You're indefatigable DG.... :y
Good man , my spirits back.
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having not read all the comments posted. but having heard Nigel Farage saying that he would have sent negotiators to companies hoping i guess to put pressure on their respective governments to point out how the uk ,s brexit plans would also cause problems to their trade. i dont think spanish veg & fruit growers will want all their produce rotting in trucks. firms like Varta sell millions of euros in the uk of their products. real negotiators could have maybe done things different to May.
Nobody in the EU cares about Spanish farmers and the like ;)
As I've been saying for nearly 3 years, we were always in a bad place to negotiate, and the EU were never going to give us what was promised by the Leave lot during the referendum. So, again as I've repeatedly said, the deal negotiated probably was about the best available, no matter who was sent to negotiate it. Anyone thinking otherwise probably spent too much time reading the (old) Daily Fail.
Now I really don't like or rate our PM, but blaming her for the contents of the deal is a bit daft really.
The whole thing was all very predictable, but now completely ballsed up even further by our elected MPs. That is where 100% of our anger should be pointed.
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Rest assured, most will be unemployed following the inevitable, not very long to wait, general election.
The only thing that will delay their misery is the sky not caving in on March 30th following a NO Deal Brexit.
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having not read all the comments posted. but having heard Nigel Farage saying that he would have sent negotiators to companies hoping i guess to put pressure on their respective governments to point out how the uk ,s brexit plans would also cause problems to their trade. i dont think spanish veg & fruit growers will want all their produce rotting in trucks. firms like Varta sell millions of euros in the uk of their products. real negotiators could have maybe done things different to May.
Nobody in the EU cares about Spanish farmers and the like ;)
As I've been saying for nearly 3 years, we were always in a bad place to negotiate, and the EU were never going to give us what was promised by the Leave lot during the referendum. So, again as I've repeatedly said, the deal negotiated probably was about the best available, no matter who was sent to negotiate it. Anyone thinking otherwise probably spent too much time reading the (old) Daily Fail.
Now I really don't like or rate our PM, but blaming her for the contents of the deal is a bit daft really.
The whole thing was all very predictable, but now completely ballsed up even further by our elected MPs. That is where 100% of our anger should be pointed.
I will take issue with you on two points highlighted.
First in the grand scheme of things you are right that farmers are insignificant however break it down to a local level e.g. country or province in that country and Spanish farmers not being able to sell their tomatoes to Britain or Danish bacon or French Beaujolais wine or indeed hundreds maybe thousands of other "insignificant" things and it amounts to a local disaster. Sure the EU can do things like find alternative markets (not easy as the prices are supported) or emergency grants. If you are a farmer you cannot live on emergency grants for ever.
Who do you think negotiated the deal if it wasn't May and her right hand man Olly Robbins? I think what you meant to say is the Eu dictated the terms and at no point did she say "no that is unacceptable we will just take our chances on both sides of the channel with no deal". If you go to a negotiating table and just keep taking the scraps then you end up with a bad deal. At no stage did we take the offensive. I do agree that the politicians have let us all down. I wonder where a business owner with a genuine claim for losses would stand in a court of law claiming against T.May on 29th March?
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Rest assured, most will be unemployed following the inevitable, not very long to wait, general election.
The only thing that will delay their misery is the sky not caving in on March 30th following a NO Deal Brexit.
If there is another election whilst Corbyn heads up Labour, its fair to say we are truly, royally shafted without vaseline. As always when the Tories have an internal spat over Europe, Labour always win.
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First in the grand scheme of things you are right that farmers are insignificant however break it down to a local level e.g. country or province in that country and Spanish farmers not being able to sell their tomatoes to Britain or Danish bacon or French Beaujolais wine or indeed hundreds maybe thousands of other "insignificant" things and it amounts to a local disaster. Sure the EU can do things like find alternative markets (not easy as the prices are supported) or emergency grants. If you are a farmer you cannot live on emergency grants for ever.
Although there will be an impact, remember for European nations, other opportunities arise because the UK are unable to be competitive in many markets. I keep hearing the arguments that the likes of BMW won't allow their country to default to WTO rules with UK blah blah blah, but thats what will happen. The the EU were overly worried about that, we would have had a stronger hand, but it was obvious before the negotiations started that we were simply insignificant.
Who do you think negotiated the deal if it wasn't May and her right hand man Olly Robbins? I think what you meant to say is the Eu dictated the terms and at no point did she say "no that is unacceptable we will just take our chances on both sides of the channel with no deal". If you go to a negotiating table and just keep taking the scraps then you end up with a bad deal. At no stage did we take the offensive. I do agree that the politicians have let us all down. I wonder where a business owner with a genuine claim for losses would stand in a court of law claiming against T.May on 29th March?
You miss the point. They could have sent Paul McKenna and not got a significantly different deal. Sorry to say, but our sorry little country hasn't got much to negotiate with.
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I'm genuinly disappointed to read that you feel so sorrowful and insignificant but feel fortunate that so many more of us don't.
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I'm genuinly disappointed to read that you feel so sorrowful and insignificant but feel fortunate that so many more of us don't.
It pains me, but it's reality. Sadly, I suspect a lot of the outrage that the Brexit Bus promises haven't happened is because people think we can demand anything, and everyone else will roll over and give it to us...
...maybe when we had the Empire, but not now.
We are a small country, and don't really have much in the way of manufacturing. What we do have lots off, and we are good at, is financial services. All owned my multinationals, and its relatively simple to lift and shift to other countries. Brexit - whether it happens or not - has decimated our manufacturing and has left our economy stagnant when we should have been in a period of significant growth. Speak to anyone in virtually any business that sells to the public, and you'll realise that money is tight everywhere.
Which was all very predictable. Which is why I voted remain at the referendum. Because it was the wrong time for the UK to leave.
But thats all in the past, this is where we are. What we don't need now is any delays, as week by week its causing irreparable damage to the UK.
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The EU are now kicking the fickin can down the road. GET ON WITH IT FFS !! >:(
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For all Macron's tough talk earlier it seems they blinked! ;D
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They did indeed, for the first time in the whole process, when faced with no deal. And it is now them who have U turned and kicked the can down the road. As Portillo just said, it makes you wonder if we had a Parliament united in its intent to honour the result of the vote and negotiators with steely determination, from the start. How much earlier would they have blinked ? ::)
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So it looks like Parliament will get a series of 'indicative' votes on BREXIT next week and we'll get to see how pointless they can make leaving the EU whilst paying lip service to the referendum. ::)
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What is it that is getting all hyped up about a petition to revoke Article 50. You only need half a brain to know everyone that voted Remain could put there signature to it. If a Leave petition was started, everyone who voted leave could put their signature on that petition. Achieving what !!!
Oh.....hang on a minute....I thought that happened in 2016 !!!!!