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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 02 June 2020, 11:04:13
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China's mouthpiece in Hong Kong, Carrie Lam, has pilloried Donald for his support of protestors over there. At least she didn't threaten to bring the army in to shoot the fekers ;D
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Stop picking on Donald. :)
He is an elderly gentleman doing his best. :)
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How far shall we bend over sir?
https://mobile.twitter.com/PreetRang/status/1267413715726581765?s=08
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How far shall we bend over sir?
https://mobile.twitter.com/PreetRang/status/1267413715726581765?s=08
Pathetic. :( :( :(
......and don't forget to say sorry for slavery. :(
By the way I want an apology from Italy for all the trouble the Romans caused.........and from the Scandinavian countries for all the trouble the vikings caused.
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nothing ever changes in America ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRE9vMBBe10
Meanwhile, a man walks across a road to show he has a book.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rubio-defends-trump-after-criticism-over-st-johns-photo-op
:(
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One of the side effects of the American self sufficient mindset is that it doesn't offer much for the hard done by types.
People aren't victims because they are fifth generation from slave origins, they're victims because they allow themselves or choose to be.
George Floyd didn't die because he was black, he died because an obnoxious arsehole with a badge chose to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes.
The vast majority of African Americans, like the European Americans, are normal people who want to provide for their families and live decent, honest lives. Much of the genuine anger in the States stems from the fact that a minority of people feel that it is acceptable to destroy whole neighbourhoods as a reaction to an ineffective and poorly judged response to a single event.
Unfortunately, the minority keep insisting on being repressed victims and behaving in any way possible to remain as such. Not dissimilar to the Momentum rent a mobs here.
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Yes of course and when you are poor and aggrieved any excuse for looting is ok :-\. (Although not to be condoned)
Can’t see this phase of unrest ending soon unfortunately.
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George Floyd met his end because he was 'powerless' not because he was black.
I can pretty much guarantee that white cops are regularly crushing the necks of 'powerless' white guys in the other forty nine states on a regular basis.
The black community don't see that though because they have a mindset that every bad event happens 'because they are black'.
Confirmation bias.
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Also the everyone wearing a badge is a raging psychopath... In the same way that every young African American is not a crack dealing gang banger... *
Everyone needs to take a few steps back and calm the opps down.
*Frank Shankwitz and Anthony O'Neal being but mere examples of decent people who happen to counter the stereotypes ;)
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Just seen Trump on the news standing outside a church with a Bible in his hand raised in the air, what on earth is going on in his head ?
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George Floyd met his end because he was 'powerless' not because he was black.
I can pretty much guarantee that white cops are regularly crushing the necks of 'powerless' white guys in the other forty nine states on a regular basis.
The black community don't see that though because they have a mindset that every bad event happens 'because they are black'.
Confirmation bias.
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Regardless of colour there is no recognised form of restraint where you kneel on a persons neck , he was in cuffs so 3 Officers would have been able to control him easily .
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Exactly. Hands cuffed behind his back, two officers on his legs. No need whatsoever for kneeling on his neck. Apparently this cop has a long list of complaints against him. Someone should have took his badge before he caused this amount of trouble by the sound of it.
No excuse for his actions and no excuse for the violence that has followed it. It will achieve little, if anything positive.
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Exactly. Hands cuffed behind his back, two officers on his legs. No need whatsoever for kneeling on his neck. Apparently this cop has a long list of complaints against him. Someone should have took his badge before he caused this amount of trouble by the sound of it.
No excuse for his actions and no excuse for the violence that has followed it. It will achieve little, if anything positive.
Makes a nice change from coronavirus though.
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The protests have spread around the world. There was a mob at the gates of Downing St a couple of days ago chanting F..k the police! ::)
If this hot weather continues the madness will set in and the riots will start here too, especially when hundreds of thousands of people who have been having a nice time sitting around on furlough realise they don't have a job to go back to and they have to live on UC! ::)
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Yup the Momentum bandwagon rolls on... >:(
If they had paid more attention at school they'd understand how misguided their quest is... But wtf do we know? We're all so old, we're nearly dead ;D
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The protests have spread around the world. There was a mob at the gates of Downing St a couple of days ago chanting F..k the police! ::)
If this hot weather continues the madness will set in and the riots will start here too, especially when hundreds of thousands of people who have been having a nice time sitting around on furlough realise they don't have a job to go back to and they have to live on UC! ::)
Rain tomorrow, so we'll all stay inside and have a nice cup of tea. :)
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Can’t understand the idiots playing up in our country though, we didn’t do it FFS,ITS FK ALL to do with our police. Fkg lazy barstools need to read a bit. Ignorant idiots.
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Exactly. Hands cuffed behind his back, two officers on his legs. No need whatsoever for kneeling on his neck. Apparently this cop has a long list of complaints against him. Someone should have took his badge before he caused this amount of trouble by the sound of it.
No excuse for his actions and no excuse for the violence that has followed it. It will achieve little, if anything positive.
Yep. I totally agree. My point being this same cop probably acted exactly the same with 'powerless white people'
Not sure why everything has to be 'because we are black' :-\
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That's what I meant by constantly playing the victim.
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Not sure why everything has to be 'because we are black' :-\
Possibly because:
- Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
- They are roughly six times as likely to receive a custodial sentence than a white person who is convicted of the same crime
- Where black and white convicts both receive custodial sentences, a black person receives on average a 20% longer term compared to like-for-like white offenders
- Although I can't find any data for the US, in the uk, you're nine time less likely to be stopped and searched by police if you happen to be white vs if you are black
Put simply, the justice system is skewed by the colour of the offender, or 'institutionally racist' if you like a catchphrase. I don't condone the violence or looting that has followed the protests, but then again, if you look at the non-violent protests that have taken place over the past few years (Colin Kappernick, & other NFL players, NBA players etc) its been made very clear that the rules will be changed, goalposts moved as necessary to shut down any dissent. So, what avenues do people feel is open to them?
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Sorry, Jimmy, but I just don't buy this. At least not to this extent.
Stabbings in London are primarily black kids stabbing other black kids. Should they be given preferential treatment because they are black?
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Yes and I do not want to appear bias, but I’m afraid if you check crime statistics you will discover that non whites are committing more crime than whites (As a ratio) so it’s perfectly logical to trust them less and check them out don’t you think? Not forgetting they are being checked but coloured officers as well as white ones.
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Most coppers want an easy life. Most prefer to sit in the patrol car and eat Mars bars rather than exert themselves. In 2020 most are so shit-scared of the race card being played they would rather arrest a white ne'er do well than a black ne'er do well. It just makes life so much easier for them.
Rotherham is an example where the police decided to 'look the other way' for an easy life
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It’s getting crazy now
Brits asked to kneel on doorsteps in protest against George Floyd's death. :o
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Some nice social distancing going on in central London with the black lives matter brigade.
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Possibly because:
Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
Fact check:
In the US,
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed
:y
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Just seen Trump on the news standing outside a church with a Bible in his hand raised in the air, what on earth is going on in his head ?
The church is an historic building (built at around the same time as the White House) and an attempt had been made to burn it down the previous night.
President Trump has Christian beliefs (so do I and I won't apologise for that), so holding the Bible was a symbolic gesture of his faith in troubling times.
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It’s getting crazy now
Brits asked to kneel on doorsteps in protest against George Floyd's death. :o
I refuse to "take the knee" for ANYONE or ANYTHING. >:(
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Not sure why everything has to be 'because we are black' :-\
Possibly because:
- Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
- They are roughly six times as likely to receive a custodial sentence than a white person who is convicted of the same crime
- Where black and white convicts both receive custodial sentences, a black person receives on average a 20% longer term compared to like-for-like white offenders
- Although I can't find any data for the US, in the uk, you're nine time less likely to be stopped and searched by police if you happen to be white vs if you are black
Put simply, the justice system is skewed by the colour of the offender, or 'institutionally racist' if you like a catchphrase. I don't condone the violence or looting that has followed the protests, but then again, if you look at the non-violent protests that have taken place over the past few years (Colin Kappernick, & other NFL players, NBA players etc) its been made very clear that the rules will be changed, goalposts moved as necessary to shut down any dissent. So, what avenues do people feel is open to them?
They get more frequently stopped/searched by virtue of typical behaviour patterns. Change the behaviour, and the treatment patterns would soon change.
There was a video on YouTube a while back about an African American fire Marshall who got pulled over and endured a whole load of BS from a police officer, Baltimore or thereabouts iirc, and soon started complaining about police harassment and being another race victim...
Yes he was black, but the following 'facts' were ignored during his protestations...
1. He started driving in a provocative manner before being pulled over.
2. His Ford Crown Vic was Lowered, had 20" wheels and all the windows were tinted right upto the legal limit (they were that borderline, he actually carried a permit from the police department to confirm that they were just the right side of legal by a fraction of a measurement).
3. Because he 'knew' he was going to be pulled over as he passed the police car at about 10mph, he got straight on the high horse.
4. Without being asked, he had all his paperwork in hand, and only opened the window halfway trying to make the officer read them by the interior light and communicated with a really obnoxious attitude.
Basically most of the video was him waiting for the officer's supervisor to attend so that he could complain about being a victim because the officer made a grab for his paperwork in order to actually be able to read it and some of it got wet (it was pissing it down at the time).
Of course that was ALL because he was black, and had nothing to do with being a complete arsehole ::)
Watching it, I was just waiting for him to pull the 'Don’t you know who I am' card ;D
Did I also mention that the officer who pulled him over was also black? So HTF that's a racially motivated stop is anyone's guess... :-X
If it's still on Netflix, Flint Town is worth a watch as an insight into policing in one of the shittier corners of the States.
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Possibly because:
Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
Fact check:
In the US,
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed
:y
Don’t let that get in the way of a decent riot ::)
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Just seen Trump on the news standing outside a church with a Bible in his hand raised in the air, what on earth is going on in his head ?
The church is an historic building (built at around the same time as the White House) and an attempt had been made to burn it down the previous night.
President Trump has Christian beliefs (so do I and I won't apologise for that), so holding the Bible was a symbolic gesture of his faith in troubling times.
I don't believe for one minute that Trump has genuine Christian beliefs.
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"At least 15,000 Black Lives Matter protestors including Star Wars actor John Boyega pack into London's Hyde Park - as British police chiefs say they are 'appalled and horrified' by George Floyd's death"
Conclusions:
The lockdown doesn't apply to BLM protestors.
The British police are horrified by one cop/black murder in a far away country, but seemingly indifferent to rape/grooming in Rotherham and elsewhere.
Society is on the brink. >:( >:(
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Just seen Trump on the news standing outside a church with a Bible in his hand raised in the air, what on earth is going on in his head ?
The church is an historic building (built at around the same time as the White House) and an attempt had been made to burn it down the previous night.
President Trump has Christian beliefs (so do I and I won't apologise for that), so holding the Bible was a symbolic gesture of his faith in troubling times.
I don't believe for one minute that Trump has genuine Christian beliefs.
Believe what you like, Albs.
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Having observed the man for years, Im convinced the only things he believes in are power, money and himself. Which makes him an ideal politician. Saying you believe in Christianity, when its convenient, and living as a Christian are very different things, and very rare in modern politicians.
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Having observed the man for years, Im convinced the only things he believes in are power, money and himself. Which makes him an ideal politician. Saying you believe in Christianity, when its convenient, and living as a Christian are very different things, and very rare in modern politicians.
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Couldn't agree more his actions on TV yesterday appeared to me that he thought he was God .😃
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Possibly because:
Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
Fact check:
In the US,
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed
:y
Source? Also, that is only violent crime, which is 7% of overall crime in the US (based on 2018 data), so a very small sample size of overall police interactions no? There is a fair amount of data on overall 'officer involved shootings', an article talking about some research covering 2015-18 is Here (https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/). By definition, your data also excludes anyone who was shot/killed by the police who had done nothing wrong.
In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.
DG. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of people crying foul, both men and women, of any colour or religion or other social grouping you choose. A good counter example would be that disgraceful dog walker in NYC the other day who made a false report to the police to try and have a bird watcher arrested because he asked her to put her dog on a lead. Singular examples don't really move the conversation forward, the numbers are pretty clear. If you're black the police are more likely to stop you, more likely to kill you once they have you and you're more likely to be locked up, for longer if you go to trial.
Sorry, Jimmy, but I just don't buy this. At least not to this extent.
That's handy, because I don't plan on selling it ;). In all seriousness though, which bit? All the figures are backed up by statistical data - which is recent (last 5-8yrs) and what evidence there is suggests that the trend is getting worse rather than better.
Stabbings in London are primarily black kids stabbing other black kids. Should they be given preferential treatment because they are black?
While that's true for London, overall knife crime in the UK is perpetrated by white people 62% of the time and 38% by ethnic minorities (Source here (https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/) ). So, if we're talking preferential treatment, we should be stopping 3 white people for every 2 ethnic minority people across the country as a whole, or 3 ethnic minority people for every 2 white people in London.
According to the Government's own figures:
between April 2018 and March 2019, there were 4 stop and searches for every 1,000 White people, compared with 38 for every 1,000 Black people
It's pretty clear who's getting the preferential treatment don't you think?
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It’s getting crazy now
Brits asked to kneel on doorsteps in protest against George Floyd's death. :o
Where did you see this nonsense?
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It’s getting crazy now
Brits asked to kneel on doorsteps in protest against George Floyd's death. :o
Where did you see this nonsense?
Ok, just found it. I think my reaction to that is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Possibly because:
Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
Fact check:
In the US,
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed
:y
Source? Also, that is only violent crime, which is 7% of overall crime in the US (based on 2018 data), so a very small sample size of overall police interactions no? There is a fair amount of data on overall 'officer involved shootings', an article talking about some research covering 2015-18 is Here (https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/). By definition, your data also excludes anyone who was shot/killed by the police who had done nothing wrong.
In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.
DG. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of people crying foul, both men and women, of any colour or religion or other social grouping you choose. A good counter example would be that disgraceful dog walker in NYC the other day who made a false report to the police to try and have a bird watcher arrested because he asked her to put her dog on a lead. Singular examples don't really move the conversation forward, the numbers are pretty clear. If you're black the police are more likely to stop you, more likely to kill you once they have you and you're more likely to be locked up, for longer if you go to trial.
Sorry, Jimmy, but I just don't buy this. At least not to this extent.
That's handy, because I don't plan on selling it ;). In all seriousness though, which bit? All the figures are backed up by statistical data - which is recent (last 5-8yrs) and what evidence there is suggests that the trend is getting worse rather than better.
Stabbings in London are primarily black kids stabbing other black kids. Should they be given preferential treatment because they are black?
While that's true for London, overall knife crime in the UK is perpetrated by white people 62% of the time and 38% by ethnic minorities (Source here (https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/) ). So, if we're talking preferential treatment, we should be stopping 3 white people for every 2 ethnic minority people across the country as a whole, or 3 ethnic minority people for every 2 white people in London.
According to the Government's own figures:
between April 2018 and March 2019, there were 4 stop and searches for every 1,000 White people, compared with 38 for every 1,000 Black people[/highlight]
It's pretty clear who's getting the preferential treatment don't you think?[/highlight]
Perhaps to be fair the police should target the same number of 75 year old grannies as 18-24 year old black youths.
Do you think the reason the police target more black youths in London is because experience has shown that they are more likely to carry a weapon? :)
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Possibly because:
Black people are twice as likely to be shot by a police officer compared white people
Fact check:
In the US,
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed
:y
Source? Also, that is only violent crime, which is 7% of overall crime in the US (based on 2018 data), so a very small sample size of overall police interactions no? There is a fair amount of data on overall 'officer involved shootings', an article talking about some research covering 2015-18 is Here (https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/). By definition, your data also excludes anyone who was shot/killed by the police who had done nothing wrong.
In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.
DG. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of people crying foul, both men and women, of any colour or religion or other social grouping you choose. A good counter example would be that disgraceful dog walker in NYC the other day who made a false report to the police to try and have a bird watcher arrested because he asked her to put her dog on a lead. Singular examples don't really move the conversation forward, the numbers are pretty clear. If you're black the police are more likely to stop you, more likely to kill you once they have you and you're more likely to be locked up, for longer if you go to trial.
Sorry, Jimmy, but I just don't buy this. At least not to this extent.
That's handy, because I don't plan on selling it ;). In all seriousness though, which bit? All the figures are backed up by statistical data - which is recent (last 5-8yrs) and what evidence there is suggests that the trend is getting worse rather than better.
Stabbings in London are primarily black kids stabbing other black kids. Should they be given preferential treatment because they are black?
While that's true for London, overall knife crime in the UK is perpetrated by white people 62% of the time and 38% by ethnic minorities (Source here (https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/) ). So, if we're talking preferential treatment, we should be stopping 3 white people for every 2 ethnic minority people across the country as a whole, or 3 ethnic minority people for every 2 white people in London.
According to the Government's own figures:
between April 2018 and March 2019, there were 4 stop and searches for every 1,000 White people, compared with 38 for every 1,000 Black people
It's pretty clear who's getting the preferential treatment don't you think?
People shot to death by US police, 2017-2020 clearly shows that, in each year, more whites have been shot than black.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)
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I saw some of that video on Twitter...
Her dog was off the lead in an area of Central Park where it should have been under physical control.
Her reaction was utterly ridiculous and hopefully she has been educated by NYPD into her behaviour.
Had you or I confronted her, you can be sure that instead of calling the Police, she would probably have told us to opps off with some snotty comment about minding our own business.
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What did I say earlier? :o ::)
https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/1268217398861193223
It's all kicking off.....
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I wonder how many black and white (or other colour) people will die due to Covid 19 with these protests about a single person dying ::)
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People shot to death by US police, 2017-2020 clearly shows that, in each year, more whites have been shot than black.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)
Ok, but I'm not sure how that's relevant in and of itself, what matters is the chance of a person in a particular ethnic group being shot. The US population is 72% white, and only 12% black (source: 2010 census data - the most recent census available). So, if all races were affected equally by police shootings, you would have expected that for the 370 white deaths in 2019 there would be 370 / 0.72 x 0.12 = 62 black deaths compared to the 235 there actually were. Or to put it another way, for the 235 black people shot, there should have been 1410 white people shot.
Do you think the reason the police target more black youths in London is because experience has shown that they are more likely to carry a weapon? :)
I think if you stop nine times as many white people as black people, you would be more likely to find more knives or illegal substances on the nine than the one.
Perhaps to be fair the police should target the same number of 75 year old grannies as 18-24 year old black youths.
FWIW I think they should follow the evidence and stop relevant groups proportionately to the risk they pose. So, in London for example, two thirds of knife crime perpetrators are black, meaning that one third aren't, so why are they only stopping one in 10 non-black people when they account for one third of the criminals they claim to be looking for?
Also, its likely that the real figure is going to be less than two thirds in London (or 38% nationally), because, as above, if they looked at more non-black people, they would find more knives being carried by them.
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What did I say earlier? :o ::)
https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/1268217398861193223
It's all kicking off.....
Shoot the c**ts.
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All of these claims and counter claims, supported by meaningless stats, are all very impressive. But, surely, most people are in the same camp as me. I couldn't give the tiniest shite.
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All of these claims and counter claims, supported by meaningless stats, are all very impressive. But, surely, most people are in the same camp as me. I couldn't give the tiniest shite.
Perhaps fortunately, or not, not everyone feels the same way :y
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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All of these claims and counter claims, supported by meaningless stats, are all very impressive. But, surely, most people are in the same camp as me. I couldn't give the tiniest shite.
Perhaps fortunately, or not, not everyone feels the same way :y
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Very poetic...if you like that kind of thing.
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I'd be one of 'them', btw, so I'd be ok :)
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1268227545515855874
I wonder if Sadiq Khan will regret flogging Boris's water cannon. ::)
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1268227545515855874
I wonder if Sadiq Khan will regret flogging Boris's water cannon. ::)
Of course, this type of action will ensure that no person of colour will ever be viewed as anything other than equal ever again. ::)
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I'll have to run out and get some popcorn for the ten o'clock news.
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I have a sinking feeling that my well meaning, big hearted, daft as a brush daughter may have gone along today. :-\
I hope Im wrong. ::)
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What did I say earlier? :o ::)
https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/1268217398861193223
It's all kicking off.....
Declare Martial Law. Then enforce a curfew. Then shoot all of the c**ts still stupid enough to be outside.
Fair warning and all that...
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Just let the dog out for a pee, not many folk kneeling on the doorstep round here. Half of them would have trouble getting back up, mind.
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Barstards are costing us a fortune
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1268227545515855874
I wonder if Sadiq Khan will regret flogging Boris's water cannon. ::)
Not a mention of this on bbc mobile news, btw.
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Barstards are costing us a fortune
Yep, popcorn ain't cheap.
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All of these claims and counter claims, supported by meaningless stats, are all very impressive. But, surely, most people are in the same camp as me. I couldn't give the tiniest shite.
Perhaps fortunately, or not, not everyone feels the same way :y
First they came for the Capitalists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Capitalist.
Then they came for the Businessmen, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Businessman.
Then they came for the Christianss, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Christian.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Works from the opposite perspective too. :)
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1268227545515855874
I wonder if Sadiq Khan will regret flogging Boris's water cannon. ::)
Not a mention of this on bbc mobile news, btw.
There wont be until they can edit their footage to demonstrate its all Boris / Cummings / Trumps fault. :D
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https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1268227545515855874
I wonder if Sadiq Khan will regret flogging Boris's water cannon. ::)
Not a mention of this on bbc mobile news, btw.
Yes. I saw with my own eyes that nasty policeman butting the demonstrators' fist.
There wont be until they can edit their footage to demonstrate its all Boris / Cummings / Trumps fault. :D
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Barstards are costing us a fortune
Yep, popcorn ain't cheap.
Not going to cost much, they refuse to report on it ???
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Barstards are costing us a fortune
Yep, popcorn ain't cheap.
Not going to cost much, they refuse to report on it ???
They'll have to, esp if the ambulances start turning up ;D
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They’re ‘Killing themselves to live’.
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They’re ‘Killing themselves to live’.
Have you seen the posters? 'I can't breathe'..you obviously can.
'You only kill us cause you want to be us'....no, definitely not. ::)
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It’s unbelievable, mass hysteria
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It’s unbelievable, mass hysteria
Imagine if they'd been down the pub first.
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Ha ha, probably wouldn’t have bothered too pissed ;D See that’s what happens when you stop the beer ;D
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/03/george-floyd-protests-us-live-news-updates-donald-trump
Sometimes it takes a while for the cogs to turn, but justice can prevail...
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They didn't show this sort of thing (https://twitter.com/RikkiDoolan/status/1268289783295553538) on the BBC's News at 10 tonight. :-X
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They didn't show this sort of thing (https://twitter.com/RikkiDoolan/status/1268289783295553538) on the BBC's News at 10 tonight. :-X
Of course not, that would be balanced.
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Bet there will be no arrests
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When are we going to hear TB’s balanced and measured thoughts on these matters? ::)
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I don't have a problem with people everywhere feeling outraged at what the cop did. However, considering it happened 4000 miles away I would have thought the level of outrage when Lee Rigby was butchered on a London street would have been at a much much higher level, but I don't remember it being so.
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You know , I had great sympathy for the initial victim and could understand the desire for some form of equality of treatment and justice .
I sided with the peaceful demonstrators until I seen this ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxTqyW8yI0&t=417s
It's a long tape but well worth watching .
I'm sure if this and similar footage was shown on TV it would change peoples opinions too.
Demonstrate yes , destroy ... Uh ,no .
There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy and these guys have missed eight of them .
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That looked like a peaceful protest ::)
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If I were a shop keeper there, I would have a couple of mates over and be shooting anyone who didn't use the door >:(
Act like vermin, get treated like vermin :-X
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You know , I had great sympathy for the initial victim and could understand the desire for some form of equality of treatment and justice .
I sided with the peaceful demonstrators until I seen this ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxTqyW8yI0&t=417s
It's a long tape but well worth watching .
I'm sure if this and similar footage was shown on TV it would change peoples opinions too.
Demonstrate yes , destroy ... Uh ,no .
There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy and these guys have missed eight of them .
It might change people's opinion about black lives matter, but it shouldn't. Lots going on there, none of it, I would suggest, connected to the original protest.
Groups of people who started off protesting about police brutality but saw an opportunity. Groups of people who knew that opportunity would exist and came out solely for that purpose. Groups of people who came out to cause maximum damage in the hope that the carnage would be associated with the black lives matter movement.
All of this is nothing new. Almost every protest we've had in London recently, poll tax, student fees, has turned violent. Some of it due to the original protesters, but most of it due to the people who either see a political opportunity, or just a chance to loot.
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Yes^^^
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Anarchists will always be with us I'm afraid >:(
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I like The Donald, but there are times even I despair...
He has absolutely no place suggesting the the state of mind of the officer who, from the footage, calmly knelt on the neck of George Floyd.
The only thing in that situation that 'snapped' were the cameras filming it.
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What seems incredible to me is that none of the other Officers present seemed to make any attempts to get the Officer kneeling on the victims neck to release the pressure, they must have realised that the restraint was being filmed & that ultimately they would be facing charges. Having been involved in several restraints over the past 22 years I have never seen anything like that in all my experiences, he is a total disgrace to the US Police Service , if he has any sense he should end his life before being incarcerated as it will be a very unpleasant experience for him behind bars .
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What seems incredible to me is that none of the other Officers present seemed to make any attempts to get the Officer kneeling on the victims neck to release the pressure, they must have realised that the restraint was being filmed & that ultimately they would be facing charges. Having been involved in several restraints over the past 22 years I have never seen anything like that in all my experiences, he is a total disgrace to the US Police Service , if he has any sense he should end his life before being incarcerated as it will be a very unpleasant experience for him behind bars .
He's been charged with second degree murder, and the other three charged with aiding and abetting a murderer, so justice is going to be served.
Unfortunately, due process seems to have lost its place in the soundbite world :-\
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are they charging the people who stood filming it too ::)
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are they charging the people who stood filming it too ::)
They have nothing to be charged for Dave.
Would you start to argue with four armed US police officers who are well keyed up to make their arrest at any cost? ;)
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You are right Lizz , B0#locks to that!!
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Unfortunately, due process seems to have lost its place in the soundbite world :-\
Also, history has taught the American people that 'due process' is far from colour blind. Particularly when the defendant was dressed in blue.
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Perhaps, but that's partly due to the way the States are structured.
For example, Sheriffs and Police Chiefs are usually elected, and whereas our council taxes fund various services including police, fire and bin men etc, the bulk of funding comes from central government, in the States, this isn't quite the same... The funding is all locally raised from taxes, fines and donations.
In a small town it is pretty easy to buy influence, and even in wealthier, larger communities the same holds true. Companies and wealthy individuals have an enormous amount of influence over how areas/districts are policed.
I keep coming back to it, but Flint Town covers both the politics and issues of policing in Flint, Michigan... A predominantly poor, black formerly industrial city with high unemployment and a minority of very wealthy people/areas nearby. The city had a real issue with polluted drinking water for the poor areas whist GM got clean water for one its paint plants... (Michael Moore produced a very good documentary about it, but Flint is his home town, so he's quite biased, but currently on Netflix is https://www.netflix.com/title/81121185? s=a&trkid=13747225&t=cp
Flint Town was filmed at the height of this situation.
Also, there's a four parter on Netflix about Jeffrey Epstein... When he bought his villa in Palm Beach, he walked into Palm Beach PD and handed over $100k as a donation to the department. No coincidence that it took nearly ten years to bring a case against him. And whilst this is about his behaviour, it does provide an insight into how screwed up the system is.
The following links are reasoned discussions about how this are seen by decent Americans... None are politically or media biased and are not in order of priority...
1. https://youtu.be/sjgFAv03VvM (3months ago, Anthony Oneal plus panel)
2. https://youtu.be/gc9Baz0bRz8 (a year ago, Anthony Oneal)
3. https://youtu.be/3CYKImb5JSo (June 1st, Dave Ramsey Show. Dave Ramsey/John Deloney/Anthony Oneal)
4. https://youtu.be/fMhIDKxz0nI (June 4th, Don’t tell mom Vlog, a brother and sister from Birmingham, AL.)
5. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA30FeQDj-B/?igshid=274uazfobbtg (May 29th, Anthony Oneal)
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Correction, the GM plant is actually an engine plant.
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Looking at the "overall" picture, it has been said (although there appears to be little actual proof) that less than 0.5% of the population can be described as "extremist/radical" from any/all sections of the community (black/far right/islamic/whatever) .....
Problem is ... the population of the USA is around 328,000,000 ... that indicates that in the USA alone there are some 1,500,000 (ish) "extremists/radicals" ....
There is no way that so many folks can be "controlled" by the forces of "Law & Order" .. or the military come to that .... just imagine trying to arrest/lock up/detain/prosecute that many folks ... simply not possible .....
Then add the fact that they can, and do, all carry guns - legally - so those "forces" assume that they will be attacked on each and every occasion, and the potential for conflict is easily seen .... add racial stereotyping and the problem just escalates.
Then get the frightened (for their seats,way of life not their actual lives .. they are fully protected from reality) white politicians sticking their oar in and demanding that force will overcome all problems and the situation beconmes explosive ....
If anyone is under any doubt that the problem is real, and caused by white politicians .. just read/research the following 3 aspects of USA history:
Jim Crow Laws - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
https://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm#:~:text=Jim%20Crow%20was%20the%20name,was%20a%20way%20of%20life.
The Redeemers - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redeemers
The Compromise of 1877 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877
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Had a whole passage written...
Basically, the constitution was laid out when whites were people and blacks were property, so systemic, institutional racism shouldn't be such a surprise. This isn't to say that there's a place for it in modern, civilised society.
Changing this in a post Patriot Act world is going to be a struggle. Looting and rioting aren't the tools to do it as those involved are forcing the responsibilty to change onto everyone else. To make a real and lasting difference they need to be presenting options rather than trying to force change. Writing a proposed ammendment to the Constitution to overturn the prejudicial phraseology of the original Constitution would be a solid start...
Unfortunately black officials are more prone to financial influence than white officials because they have more to lose/defend against predominantly white industrialists. That's not to say that white officials are more or less susceptible to being corrupted for personal gain... far from it, but black officials tend to represent poorer communities and are likely to sell more of their soul to protect the interests of their represented. However benevolent the original intent, it's a slippery road to drive down.
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Slightly off topic, but might explain why Washington D.C is, apparently, so badly organised (other than the fact they are all petrified of something happening to Trump) .... and, to my mind, exceedingly indicative of the fear the "coloured" of Washington are presently expressing ....
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/05/protests-washington-dc-federal-agents-law-enforcement-302551
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After seeing his latest "speech" this evening on the news I think Donald has put his foot in it again 😃😀😄
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Washington is it's own mess, at least the Australians had sense to give Canberra its own state ::)
2,358 square km vs DCs 177 square km...
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After seeing his latest "speech" this evening on the news I think Donald has put his foot in it again 😃😀😄
You have to laugh.... ;D
I often wonder if he does that sort of thing just to wind people up, but then again.... :-\
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After seeing his latest "speech" this evening on the news I think Donald has put his foot in it again 😃😀😄
You have to laugh.... ;D
I often wonder if he does that sort of thing just to wind people up, but then again.... :-\
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I like to watch the look on his aides faces, they seem as though the want the ground to open up..😃
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Dont blame them. He is in many respects a cretin. He is worth keeping for another term though to try and stop Chinese world domination in the very near future, and to give Lefties a five year long, fit of the vapours..
Might have posted that before. Cant remember. ::)
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For all his faults and erratic behaviour, in many respects Trump has been a fairly benign POTUS compared to his predecessors. ;)
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True, for all the racist accusations he hasnt sent planes & missiles half way around the world to wipe out innumerable jonny foreigners like almost every Potus in living memory.
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Predictably it's all kicking off in Whitehall again.
Winston Churchill's statue and the Cenotaph have been vandalised and a mounted police officer was unseated and the horse bolted into the crowd....
Nothing about it on the BBC. ::)
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If this crap is left to go on for much longer we are fkd, protests for this and that and even what could or might be, I’m afraid our freedom is being gambled away by folk we have not endorsed/elected/given our consent/ you get the message.... As of course this unrest will eventually be quelled one way or another, and I’m convinced it’s not going to be the easy way.
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At this rate they'll be running out of faceless companies to destroy.
What happens then will be when the shit gets real :-\
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This thread posted on Twitter yesterday is a worthwhile read in my opinion. I make no claims to the accuracy of the statistics, but it seems well researched and he provides his sources.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268898468766134279.html
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This country will do sweet FA against any of these idiots running amok in these " protests" because nobody in power has the balls to direct the Police to make a hard stand , I saw all this coming weeks ago & if I could so could others who are in a position to do something about it , it's been happening for years with the Police & Prison Service it's all anti authority no more no less.
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This thread posted on Twitter yesterday is a worthwhile read in my opinion. I make no claims to the accuracy of the statistics, but it seems well researched and he provides his sources.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268898468766134279.html
That is an excellent expression of the real truth! :y
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This country will do sweet FA against any of these idiots running amok in these " protests" because nobody in power has the balls to direct the Police to make a hard stand , I saw all this coming weeks ago & if I could so could others who are in a position to do something about it , it's been happening for years with the Police & Prison Service it's all anti authority no more no less.
and just what do you want ??
Please explain to this simple minded idiot just how around the Police can "arrest" 50-100,000 people ?? Physically impossible
Please explain how the courts can prosecute 50-100,000 people who are "innocent until proved guilty" in the UK ?? Physically impossible
Please explain why our Police - who we were all cheering as "keyworkers" a few days ago, are suddenly expendable targets in your rush to be "hard"
Please explain why you believe that excessive violence by the authorities in the UK would have a different outcome to excessive violence in the USA ??
The overarching principle of policing in the UK is "police by consent" ... I would not like to see that destroyed by those who simply like to display and exert power against the people.
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This country will do sweet FA against any of these idiots running amok in these " protests" because nobody in power has the balls to direct the Police to make a hard stand , I saw all this coming weeks ago & if I could so could others who are in a position to do something about it , it's been happening for years with the Police & Prison Service it's all anti authority no more no less.
and just what do you want ??
Please explain to this simple minded idiot just how around the Police can "arrest" 50-100,000 people ?? Physically impossible
Please explain how the courts can prosecute 50-100,000 people who are "innocent until proved guilty" in the UK ?? Physically impossible
Please explain why our Police - who we were all cheering as "keyworkers" a few days ago, are suddenly expendable targets in your rush to be "hard"
Please explain why you believe that excessive violence by the authorities in the UK would have a different outcome to excessive violence in the USA ??
The overarching principle of policing in the UK is "police by consent" ... I would not like to see that destroyed by those who simply like to display and exert power against the people.
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Well let it all carry on , when they enter your house just let them do it ,stand by & watch everything you've worked for get destroyed by morons.
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This country will do sweet FA against any of these idiots running amok in these " protests" because nobody in power has the balls to direct the Police to make a hard stand , I saw all this coming weeks ago & if I could so could others who are in a position to do something about it , it's been happening for years with the Police & Prison Service it's all anti authority no more no less.
and just what do you want ??
Please explain to this simple minded idiot just how around the Police can "arrest" 50-100,000 people ?? Physically impossible
Please explain how the courts can prosecute 50-100,000 people who are "innocent until proved guilty" in the UK ?? Physically impossible
Please explain why our Police - who we were all cheering as "keyworkers" a few days ago, are suddenly expendable targets in your rush to be "hard"
Please explain why you believe that excessive violence by the authorities in the UK would have a different outcome to excessive violence in the USA ??
The overarching principle of policing in the UK is "police by consent" ... I would not like to see that destroyed by those who simply like to display and exert power against the people.
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Well let it all carry on , when they enter your house just let them do it ,stand by & watch everything you've worked for get destroyed by morons.
I was hoping for a rational explanation .. not a "sound bite" lifted from some MSM or reactionary site. Quite how demonstraters in London are going to "enter your house just let them do it ,stand by & watch everything you've worked for get destroyed" here in wiltshire I'm not 100% sure, perhaps you could also explain that argument fully ?? AFAIK not a single house was entered and destroyed yesterday.
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Two things:
1. About the only thing that can be done is to root out the instigators of the disorder and deal with them.
Controlling a mob without force is almost impossible, unfortunately, as you say the civilian authorities have their hands tied, and short of having counsel and judiciary on site to process those who are intent on rioting and looting, there is really nothing they can do but watch.
Martial Law would ultimately stop the behaviour, but wouldn't be pretty. And would be seen as an act of oppression.
Eventually normal people are going to have enough of the mindless behaviour. And will expect something visible and decisive to be done.
2. 14% of the UK population is non white, in the US, this is nearer 28%, but at 12%, there are fewer blacks than Hispanic/Latino (14%).
Racial minorities should not be victimised by the fact that any representative system will always under represent them. This is pretty clear cut here as the census data groups are clearly defined with only 8 ethnic groups...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom
In the States, there are 20, which serves only to further minoritise non whites...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Perhaps, instead of identifying everyone by colour or ethnicity, we should move to identifying people by residency... ie, if you live in the UK, you are British rather than black or white. If you live in the US, then you are American.
As a citizen/resident you agree to be bound by the law of that land, and in return, the law, and its government and officers, respect the right to honour the ethnic and religious traditions of the individuals and communities with absolutely no prejudice. This could also be applied to sexuality, although traditionalists won't be happy.
Can it really be that hard?
On a side note, speaking as a white heterosexual middle class male, why do i feel like a minority in all of this?
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Yes, it’s all ‘good fun’ until these fools get treated as they are treating the police etc, just because the cops have protection on they should never be assaulted with bottles, stones, and various missiles, they are there to uphold the law and should be treated with respect even if we like it or not. If I And the majority of us have to observe these rules then I really cannot see how these clowns are allowed to get away with all this in Whitehall for example, they need to be identified, interviewed, and charged and made to pay for the waste of taxpayers money. Ffs it was not anything to do with us anyway!
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This country will do sweet FA against any of these idiots running amok in these " protests" because nobody in power has the balls to direct the Police to make a hard stand , I saw all this coming weeks ago & if I could so could others who are in a position to do something about it , it's been happening for years with the Police & Prison Service it's all anti authority no more no less.
and just what do you want ??
Please explain to this simple minded idiot just how around the Police can "arrest" 50-100,000 people ?? Physically impossible
Please explain how the courts can prosecute 50-100,000 people who are "innocent until proved guilty" in the UK ?? Physically impossible
Please explain why our Police - who we were all cheering as "keyworkers" a few days ago, are suddenly expendable targets in your rush to be "hard"
Please explain why you believe that excessive violence by the authorities in the UK would have a different outcome to excessive violence in the USA ??
The overarching principle of policing in the UK is "police by consent" ... I would not like to see that destroyed by those who simply like to display and exert power against the people.
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Well let it all carry on , when they enter your house just let them do it ,stand by & watch everything you've worked for get destroyed by morons.
I was hoping for a rational explanation .. not a "sound bite" lifted from some MSM or reactionary site. Quite how demonstraters in London are going to "enter your house just let them do it ,stand by & watch everything you've worked for get destroyed" here in wiltshire I'm not 100% sure, perhaps you could also explain that argument fully ?? AFAIK not a single house was entered and destroyed yesterday.
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I've dealt with people like this for the last 22 years and they laugh at the Law & Officers who try their hardest to uphold it, these people are exactly the type who will enter peoples homes & steal things rather than work for something. I did not say anything about them entering homes yesterday , but many probably did earlier in their lives, but snowflakes will always find an excuse to let them get away with their behaviour.
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Kicking the shit out of the disrespectful snivelling turds in the 3rd/4th form didn't stop them from doing whatever they wanted under the cover of the Child Act.
The ONLY thing that had any effect was removing their freedoms or making the lives of their peers just as miserable.
Martial law and enforced curfews would be about the only solution, but doesn't really have a place in an otherwise decent society, but if the riots and looting continue, then it may be the only option short of a civil war.
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Kicking the shit out of the disrespectful snivelling turds in the 3rd/4th form didn't stop them from doing whatever they wanted under the cover of the Child Act.
The ONLY thing that had any effect was removing their freedoms or making the lives of their peers just as miserable.
Martial law and enforced curfews would be about the only solution, but doesn't really have a place in an otherwise decent society, but if the riots and looting continue, then it may be the only option short of a civil war.
They won't continue though, they'll die a death like every one previously. Someone should ask those among them capable of stringing two sentences together, rather than shouting meaningless slogans, what they would actually like to see changed.
Our laws? I think they'll find they deal with equality and disability quite well.
Positive discrimination? That's as abhorrent as racism.
Changing certain people's mindset so they're not racist anymore? Yeah, right.
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I'm off to church. It's Sunday. :)
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Are they open yet ? 😄
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If we're racist simply because we happen to be part of a majority group, then surely the easiest way to deal with this is to remove race from the equation. That way, we're ALL in the SAME group.
Of course this would make it impossible to be victim on board whatever bandwagon is popular this minute.
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Are they open yet ? 😄
A church, by its purest definition, is a gathering of like minded people. The noun given to the building we know of as a 'church' is a symbolic gesture.
Ergo, the good Lord's 'church' could either be his private chapel, or an open field where people might gather (in a suitably socially distanced manner). And as it's a nice day... :D
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The last time that there were riots in Croydon the only thing that stopped it was the weather , it started pouring & they went indoors managed to destroy Reeves Corner though.
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Are they open yet ? 😄
A church, by its purest definition, is a gathering of like minded people. The noun given to the building we know of as a 'church' is a symbolic gesture.
Ergo, the good Lord's 'church' could either be his private chapel, or an open field where people might gather (in a suitably socially distanced manner). And as it's a nice day... :D
Glad I'm not religious, it's pissing it down here.
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Are they open yet ? 😄
A church, by its purest definition, is a gathering of like minded people. The noun given to the building we know of as a 'church' is a symbolic gesture.
Ergo, the good Lord's 'church' could either be his private chapel, or an open field where people might gather (in a suitably socially distanced manner). And as it's a nice day... :D
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Hallelujah praise the Lord..
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It's grim oop norf ;D
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Are they open yet ? 😄
A church, by its purest definition, is a gathering of like minded people. The noun given to the building we know of as a 'church' is a symbolic gesture.
Ergo, the good Lord's 'church' could either be his private chapel, or an open field where people might gather (in a suitably socially distanced manner). And as it's a nice day... :D
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Hallelujah praise the Lord..
;D is that the best you've got?
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Are they open yet ? 😄
A church, by its purest definition, is a gathering of like minded people. The noun given to the building we know of as a 'church' is a symbolic gesture.
Ergo, the good Lord's 'church' could either be his private chapel, or an open field where people might gather (in a suitably socially distanced manner). And as it's a nice day... :D
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Hallelujah praise the Lord..
;D is that the best you've got?
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I'm trying to be politically correct 😄😃😀
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Heathens......the lot of you.
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Did anyone see the 75 year old activist pushed over by the cops and left bleeding from his head on the street?
The media described it as police pushing over a 75 year old man. Very little was done.
If the old man had been black the media would have described it as white policeman pushing over an elderly black man and then leaving him for dead.
Imagine the riots. :)
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The cop has been charged , the other members of the riot team have resigned in protest , apparently the old guy "slipped" 😀
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Did anyone see the 75 year old activist pushed over by the cops and left bleeding from his head on the street?
The media described it as police pushing over a 75 year old man. Very little was done.
If the old man had been black the media would have described it as white policeman pushing over an elderly black man and then leaving him for dead.
Imagine the riots. :)
I believe that two officers were suspended without pay after this incident. The entire squad of 75 of their colleagues then resigned over that suspension. I'm unsure whether these guys are actually police, or some sort local professional riot squad. A lot of "policing" in the U.S. seems to be done by private security firms who are hired by local police chiefs or local politicians. I can't find any verification of the mass resignation on MSM so i stand ready to be corrected on this. Note... Rangie has just posted this too, so it's out there somewhere.
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That isn't what happened... Watch the original footage again.
The man stepped towards the advancing police line. He was pushed away by one or two officers in the line and stumbled backwards. Other 'protesters' tried to get to him, but were kept back. A third officer waited beside the man as the line passed in order to prevent him from being trampled. As soon as the line passed, the man was attended to by medics in camouflage fatigues.
The whole incident took all of 10-15 seconds. It's clear from the footage that when he lost his footing he fell back and smacked his head hard on the pavement, knocking himself out. I suspect that he will spend a week or so in hospital with a nasty concussion.
This was a situation of his own making, and whether shoving him back was appropriate force, is a difficult call to make, given the police line was clearly advancing. The fact that the entire unit has stepped down suggests that they believe the two officers behaved appropriately.
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The cop has been charged , the other members of the riot team have resigned in protest , apparently the old guy "slipped" 😀
I'm glad it amused you.
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An actual, unbiased account of the incident and its outcome, including an insight into how the law in New York is structured and applied...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/nyregion/Buffalo-police-charged.html
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Did anyone see the 75 year old activist pushed over by the cops and left bleeding from his head on the street?
The media described it as police pushing over a 75 year old man. Very little was done.
If the old man had been black the media would have described it as white policeman pushing over an elderly black man and then leaving him for dead.
Imagine the riots. :)
I believe that two officers were suspended without pay after this incident. The entire squad of 75 of their colleagues then resigned over that suspension. I'm unsure whether these guys are actually police, or some sort local professional riot squad. A lot of "policing" in the U.S. seems to be done by private security firms who are hired by local police chiefs or local politicians. I can't find any verification of the mass resignation on MSM so i stand ready to be corrected on this. Note... Rangie has just posted this too, so it's out there somewhere.
Try harder, Ronny:
Buffalo police riot squad quit to back officers who shoved man https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52945190
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Did anyone see the 75 year old activist pushed over by the cops and left bleeding from his head on the street?
The media described it as police pushing over a 75 year old man. Very little was done.
If the old man had been black the media would have described it as white policeman pushing over an elderly black man and then leaving him for dead.
Imagine the riots. :)
I believe that two officers were suspended without pay after this incident. The entire squad of 75 of their colleagues then resigned over that suspension. I'm unsure whether these guys are actually police, or some sort local professional riot squad. A lot of "policing" in the U.S. seems to be done by private security firms who are hired by local police chiefs or local politicians. I can't find any verification of the mass resignation on MSM so i stand ready to be corrected on this. Note... Rangie has just posted this too, so it's out there somewhere.
Try harder, Ronny:
Buffalo police riot squad quit to back officers who shoved man https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52945190
Missed that when i looked at the Beeb website yesterday. :-[ Must have got sidetracked by the reams of Covid related stuff. :D
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The cop has been charged , the other members of the riot team have resigned in protest , apparently the old guy "slipped" 😀
I'm glad it amused you.
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It didn't amuse me in the slightest totally unprofessional , I was amused by their terminology smacks of something from the 1960s when anything went. A man of 75 should have known better than to attempt to try & intimidate Officers whose adrenaline levels would have been sky high. After all those years in various uniformed services I'm aware that some may find my comments a bit sharp but tough shit.
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The cop has been charged , the other members of the riot team have resigned in protest , apparently the old guy "slipped" 😀
I'm glad it amused you.
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It didn't amuse me in the slightest totally unprofessional , I was amused by their terminology smacks of something from the 1960s when anything went. A man of 75 should have known better than to attempt to try & intimidate Officers whose adrenaline levels would have been sky high. After all those years in various uniformed services I'm aware that some may find my comments a bit sharp but tough shit.
After watching the video three times now I have to come to the same conclusion.
Anyone with any sense, especially someone of 75, does not only stand in the way, but actually approach police officers in that mode of operation. You are a fool to do it in our country, let alone in the USA with their officers knowing that the opposing individual is very possibly armed.
I can only see the police officers holding their palms out to push him back, just as our police officers are trained to do and the man goes backwards it seems as if he wants to, because the natural reaction is first to lean towards the police officers, but he does not. Instead he goes backwards, dare I say quite voluntary, and then decides to fall down. A fit up if ever there was!!
This is the danger now. Police officers worldwide will have to be extremely careful, even when THEY are in extreme danger protecting us, the decent, law abiding folk, to avoid accusations of "police brutality", even when they are just pushing back against a threatening force that knows others in authority will push the liberal "Human Rights" button on every occasion possible. ;)
What happened in the US when Floyd, a convicted criminal involved in further alleged criminality, was given the judge, jury and executioner treatment by police officers acting out of all proportion, is totally inexcusable, but that is no excuse for giving police officers an even harder time when properly enforcing the law in the interests of the majority.
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Totally agree Lizzie , also in the report that was emailed to me he is a well known activist in that area, if that's true of course. The whole world is on a very slippery slope at present & I fear we have let it slip too far to try & bring it back now.
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Have you actually read the NYT piece ???
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Have you actually read the NYT piece ???
No, I have not. watched the BBC broadcasted piece and made up my own mind on what I saw. ;)
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I have now read the NYT piece, and my opinion has not changed. ;)
I would add the man was provactive and obviously taunting the police, as many do, and got what happened. Yes, he tripped going backwards but due to his decision to go backwards away from the officers. He struck his head, but that was not down to police actions but the consequence of his own.
He wanted publicity and he got it! >:(
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Seen the footage and quite clearly shows that he was given an instruction which he failed to comply with a shove is permitted even in the UK which he got & paid the consequences , personally I would have got him in an armlock & moved him over but it is a decision made on the spot by the officer it is " fight or flight" when adrenaline is up anything can & will happen. Will he have learnt from it probably not.
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The course of events was clear, but the officers have already been to court having been charged with a felony charge only because of the age difference between them and the man.
I suspect this is what caused the rest of the department to step down... Here suspension on full pay pending an investigation would have been the sum total of the incident.
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It’s of course not right what happened to Floyd, but criminal behaviour is dangerous to all involved including him. live by the sword die by the sword. The way this world is going I’m on the laws side even if they accidentally go too far sometimes. Quite simply if he want a criminal he would still be alive. It happens to whites too. All this over that is even more criminal.
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It’s of course not right what happened to Floyd, but criminal behaviour is dangerous to all involved including him. live by the sword die by the sword. The way this world is going I’m on the laws side even if they accidentally go too far sometimes. Quite simply if he want a criminal he would still be alive. It happens to whites too. All this over that is even more criminal.
At his funeral a picture of Floyd was shown with a halo over his head and angel wings growing from his back and some saying he was a “gentle giant”. Who are they trying to fool? Not the woman who was held at gun point that’s for sure ! ::) ::)
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Afraid you're not allowed to call out Floyd for the piece of shit he was. It kind of takes all the air out of the balloon.
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Bristol hasn't had a great day today , total disgrace what is being allowed to happen the UK is going to be in severe trouble if this is allowed to continue .
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Some might say he didn't deserve to die that way, no matter what he was. Others will disagree.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd
He had served his time for the previous offences, so far dos as far as that goes.
He was arrested for trying to spend a counterfeit note. What happened next, ie his behaviour leading to his restraint and subsequent arrest, is a direct result of being under the combined influences of fentanyl and methamphetamine.
A white person behaving in the same manner would have received similar levels of restraint.
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I agree^
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I'm beginning to wonder if I've just woken up from being in a coma for a few days and missed a genocide or something. :-X :-\
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I'm beginning to wonder if I've just woken up from being in a coma for a few days and missed a genocide or something. :-X :-\
I almost wish that I were in a coma. That's about the only escape from this madness :-\
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It is ironic that these protests, triggered by the unacceptable killing of a black man, will have the inevitable result of the increase in the spread of the pandemic, thus killing a higher percentage of the BAME community than the “white” community. ???
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It is ironic that these protests, triggered by the unacceptable killing of a black man, will have the inevitable result of the increase in the spread of the pandemic, thus killing a higher percentage of the BAME community than the “white” community. ???
And being spread by largely asymptomatic white twenty somethings. No irony there at all... :-X
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Apparently ......
It's too dangerous to allow schools to reopen to educate kids.....
It's too dangerous to allow public transport to open......
It's too dangerous to allow shops to reopen....
It's too dangerous for dentists to reopen unless the government supply them with tons of PPE........
BUT
It's completely safe to meet in thousands to protest/damage/wreck things........
It's completely safe to sit on a beach with thousands of others.........
It's completely safe to sit crammed in an aircraft with loads of others.....
It's completely safe to sit in a cinema with loads of others.......
It's completely safe to allow anyone from anywhere in the world to come here totally freely .......
It's completely safe to re-open hotels to anyone ........
It's completely safe to re-open pubs and restaraunts so you can sit with loads of others.......
Do I detect a shit load of hypocrisy and self interest, along with a whole shedload of mucK raking ???
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☹️ another planet would be nice😟
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We'd only set about wrecking that one too.
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We'd only set about wrecking that one too.
Of course, it's in our DNA.
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Yes I agree, if aliens passing by earth saw what we were doing this beautiful place, they would Probably kick us off it.
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Yes I agree, if aliens passing by earth saw what we were doing this beautiful place, they would Probably kick us off it.
They pass by all the time, have a look, shake their heads and move on quickly to the next galaxy! :)
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Totally agree Lizzie , also in the report that was emailed to me he is a well known activist in that area, if that's true of course. The whole world is on a very slippery slope at present & I fear we have let it slip too far to try & bring it back now.
Indeed he is an activist.
"Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. Gugino’s Twitter Account is also filled with anti-cop sentiment. Last Thursday Gugino traveled from his home in Amherst, New York, to Buffalo to agitate a protest crowd.
During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers. CTH noted what he was attempting on Thursday night as soon as the now viral video was being used by media to sell a police brutality narrative. Today, a more clear video has emerged that shows exactly what he was attempting."
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
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Totally agree Lizzie , also in the report that was emailed to me he is a well known activist in that area, if that's true of course. The whole world is on a very slippery slope at present & I fear we have let it slip too far to try & bring it back now.
Indeed he is an activist.
"Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. Gugino’s Twitter Account is also filled with anti-cop sentiment. Last Thursday Gugino traveled from his home in Amherst, New York, to Buffalo to agitate a protest crowd.
During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers. CTH noted what he was attempting on Thursday night as soon as the now viral video was being used by media to sell a police brutality narrative. Today, a more clear video has emerged that shows exactly what he was attempting."
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Pity the twot never died, the rioters would have had to change their message to "Police murder black and white criminals". Doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?
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Told you so didn't I my sources are top notch.
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Where are jobs as 'professional agitator/activist' advertised?
I could do that, and given the scope of the current bandwagon, the opposite side could be quite underrepresented... :D
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Possible change of plan, I may yet move to Pitcairn...