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[STEMO]

Of course, they don't see it that way

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-11753457/EU-lawmakers-approve-ban-sale-new-petrol-diesel-hybrid-cars-2035.html

[Viral_Jim]

All safe in the knowledge they'll be sat firmly on their gold plated pensions by the time someone else has to sort it out/break the news to people they've been conned 

[Rangie]

Bicycles then..😂

[Sir Tigger KC]

Pah we're streets ahead of them as the UK will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030.... which is only seven years away, but still five years earlier than the EU! 

So when the mad rejoiners demand a single tangible benefit of Brexit, there's one right there!                                                              

[dave the builder]

by 2035 the UK will be like a remake of Mad max 
but with rain 

[STEMO]

There will thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people who will do their utmost to hang on to a vehicle with an ICE. A good portion because they have no way of charging at home and a good portion of stalwarts who refuse to be dictated to. I can see rebel workshops springing up all over the country, where vehicles are kept alive by any means necessary, from fermenting home brew type fuel to manufacturing parts no longer available. All well and good. The unpleasantness will start when the government try to tax people out of their vehicles, which is why we should watch out for them trying to implement a digital currency. They could just take their tax from your digital account, along with any fines incurred.
Jeeez.......I'm starting to sound like Gollum 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There will thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people who will do their utmost to hang on to a vehicle with an ICE. A good portion because they have no way of charging at home and a good portion of stalwarts who refuse to be dictated to. I can see rebel workshops springing up all over the country, where vehicles are kept alive by any means necessary, from fermenting home brew type fuel to manufacturing parts no longer available. All well and good. The unpleasantness will start when the government try to tax people out of their vehicles, which is why we should watch out for them trying to implement a digital currency. They could just take their tax from your digital account, along with any fines incurred.
Jeeez.......I'm starting to sound like Gollum 

CBDC......this must not happen.

[countrywoman]

Mad Max remake, will have to get some tips from my friends son as he was a stunt man in that (also in the remake of The Fall Guy)

[Raeturbo]

Very much like Cuba🤣

[ronnyd]

As long as my Vectra lasts me out, i don't give a shit. I set a very low bar. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

As long as my Vectra lasts me out, i don't give a shit. I set a very low bar. 

Seems the most likely scenario.

[dave the builder]

There will thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people who will do their utmost to hang on to a vehicle with an ICE. A good portion because they have no way of charging at home and a good portion of stalwarts who refuse to be dictated to. I can see rebel workshops springing up all over the country, where vehicles are kept alive by any means necessary, from fermenting home brew type fuel to manufacturing parts no longer available. All well and good. The unpleasantness will start when the government try to tax people out of their vehicles, which is why we should watch out for them trying to implement a digital currency. They could just take their tax from your digital account, along with any fines incurred.
Jeeez.......I'm starting to sound like Gollum 

Yep
I'll be rattling around in the last of the V8 interceptors V6 Omegas 
powered by distilled potato fuel 
There's already loads of oddly dressed weirdos to be the "baddies"
just visit your local shopping center ,they hang around outside 

As long as my Vectra lasts me out, i don't give a shit. I set a very low bar. 

Much worse "cars" on the roads than the Vectra 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

[Rangie]

by 2035 the UK will be like a remake of Mad max 
but with rain 

My daughter's neighbour has a dog that looks exactly like the one from the Mad Max film, really evil looking bastard but as soft as shit.

[dave the builder]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

Veggie oil prices have doubled , and growing enough veg to make your own and refine it is hard
black diesel is an option ,though I imagine everyone will be burning black diesel in their diesel heaters to keep warm 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I might move to Brazil where they run cars on ethanol made from sugar cane and I won't have to worry about heating the house in wintertime. 

The girls are very sexy as well! 

[ronnyd]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

Not much leg room behind the passenger seat there,. Would be ok for a double amputee i suppose. 

[dave the builder]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

Not much leg room behind the passenger seat there,. Would be ok for a double amputee i suppose. 

people rarely sit in the cheap seats in cars
most cars transport just the driver 
because public transport is ...

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I might move to Brazil where they run cars on ethanol made from sugar cane and I won't have to worry about heating the house in wintertime. 

The girls are very sexy as well! 

Be wary of the girls who can pull a length through their legs and tie it off.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Synthetic petrol is already a thing. No fossils involved, and iirc emissions are negligible. Of course its expensive at the moment, but mass production and usage could soon slash the price.
It isnt wanted though because it doesnt fit the global(ist) political agenda, and the climate change zealots have created a whole new sector of the economy that allows people to make huge fortunes out of the biggest con trick since religion was thought of.
As for veggie oil. Retail price is irrelevant. Restaurants will happily give it to you to get rid of it, then you just need to filter it and tip it into your Merc w201 190D. At least that was the situation when I gave up running on vegoil four years ago.
Preferrably not the w202 D in the link though, as the engine is different enough to require mods to run on it.
The one issue is that the price of w201 190D,s went through the roof just after I got rid of mine - obviously. 

[Doctor Gollum]

As long as my Vectra lasts me out, i don't give a shit. I set a very low bar. 

Seems the most likely scenario.

If he can keep it out of car parks...

[mattbearman]

This only applies to new cars, there’ll still be plenty of ICE cars on the road long after 2035. I’ve been a petrol head all my life, but I say bring it on - times are changing, zero emissions cars of some form are the future. I’ll still have my Omega, MR2 and motorbikes for fun (and no doubt some other ICE vehicles by then), but planning on an electric for my next daily

My biggest concern would be fuel prices getting even crazier than they already are as demand drops, but I’m optimistic synthetic fuels will be cheaper than real fuel by then

[ronnyd]

As long as my Vectra lasts me out, i don't give a shit. I set a very low bar. 

Seems the most likely scenario.

If he can keep it out of car parks...

: 

[Doctor Gollum]

This only applies to new cars, there’ll still be plenty of ICE cars on the road long after 2035. I’ve been a petrol head all my life, but I say bring it on - times are changing, zero emissions cars of some form are the future. I’ll still have my Omega, MR2 and motorbikes for fun (and no doubt some other ICE vehicles by then), but planning on an electric for my next daily

My biggest concern would be fuel prices getting even crazier than they already are as demand drops, but I’m optimistic synthetic fuels will be cheaper than real fuel by then

Zero emissions is an unattainable pipe dream.

Just because YOU can't see the pollution as you drive your EV does not mean that someone else can't.

And, in case it's news to those who believe the peddled BS, The planet only has one atmosphere. So the less pollution we make, the more someone else will, (if not more because they will then have to ship all the things they produce around the globe to get here... And you can be assured that won't be zero emissions either).

And if you want to say   "Ah yes, what about renewable?" Trees are renewable. They get planted, chopped down, processed and burnt to produce electricity.

What we actually need is to be more efficient in our usage. Producing new cars out of expensive, rare materials is the exact opposite of efficient.

Keeping what you have and running it for as long as possible and replacing it with something used should you need to. And produce spares from recycled materials rather than new.

That's how you be efficient and save the planet.

[Raeturbo]

^ yes and it’s so blatantly obvious but that’s not going to fill corrupt bastards pockets so that’s fkd^

[dave the builder]

This only applies to new cars, there’ll still be plenty of ICE cars on the road long after 2035. I’ve been a petrol head all my life, but I say bring it on - times are changing, zero emissions cars of some form are the future. I’ll still have my Omega, MR2 and motorbikes for fun (and no doubt some other ICE vehicles by then), but planning on an electric for my next daily

My biggest concern would be fuel prices getting even crazier than they already are as demand drops, but I’m optimistic synthetic fuels will be cheaper than real fuel by then

Zero emissions is an unattainable pipe dream.

Just because YOU can't see the pollution as you drive your EV does not mean that someone else can't.

And, in case it's news to those who believe the peddled BS, The planet only has one atmosphere. So the less pollution we make, the more someone else will, (if not more because they will then have to ship all the things they produce around the globe to get here... And you can be assured that won't be zero emissions either).

And if you want to say   "Ah yes, what about renewable?" Trees are renewable. They get planted, chopped down, processed and burnt to produce electricity.

What we actually need is to be more efficient in our usage. Producing new cars out of expensive, rare materials is the exact opposite of efficient.

Keeping what you have and running it for as long as possible and replacing it with something used should you need to. And produce spares from recycled materials rather than new.

That's how you be efficient and save the planet.

Oh FFS   
I'm going to have to agree  with something DG posted 

[countrywoman]

Well I am doing my bit recycling my 1951 Austin with Omega running gear

[Doctor Gollum]

^ yes and it’s so blatantly obvious but that’s not going to fill corrupt bastards pockets so that’s fkd^

It’s not my fault that they have zero imagination 

[Rangie]

I have said right from the start that it's an unobtainable pipe dream,and simply a way to cash in on the motorists again common sense tells me that it won't work, this planet is fc uked and is past the point of no return so enjoy your big engines be they petrol or diesel, forget all the nonsense spouted because nothing & nobody lasts forever.

[mattbearman]

Zero emissions is an unattainable pipe dream.

Just because YOU can't see the pollution as you drive your EV does not mean that someone else can't.

And, in case it's news to those who believe the peddled BS, The planet only has one atmosphere. So the less pollution we make, the more someone else will, (if not more because they will then have to ship all the things they produce around the globe to get here... And you can be assured that won't be zero emissions either).

In this context zero emissions refers only to exhaust emissions. It is of course true there will still be environmental impact from EV manufacturing, just like there is in ICE vehicle manufacturing. And EVs actually generate more CO2 in manufacturing than ICE vehicles do. BUT when the entire vehicle lifespan is studied, EVs come out on top:

Vehicle ‘lifecycle analyses’ – taking account of all the emissions from the mining of ores, the manufacture of vehicles and batteries, and the in-use energy consumption of petrol, diesel or electricity – show large overall CO2 savings for EVs compared to conventional vehicles.

source: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/choosing/are-electric-cars-really-better-for-the-environment

Keeping what you have and running it for as long as possible and replacing it with something used should you need to. And produce spares from recycled materials rather than new.

That's how you be efficient and save the planet.

This I 100% agree with, it's Reduce, Reuse, Recycle - in that order

Also, electric cars are fun, they're like giant versions of the radio controlled cars I played with as a kid, right down to the noise they make

[dave the builder]

Do YOU generate ALL the "green" electricity to power your EV ?   
you do know that when the batteries fail in a few years    you won't be able to go to the pound shop and replace them with a pack of "Kodak" AAAs 
EVs don't have exhausts , but do create pollution while driving 
you need to look at the actual carbon footprint of an EV ,compared to an ICE car.
you have clearly swallowed a load of marketing hype and washed it down with lies
I think you need to do a little more research 
or remain deluded , your choice 

 

[mattbearman]

If you read my post and linked article and study you’d see I am talking the actual carbon footprint of an EV. It’s lower than that of an ICE vehicle.

Feel free to rebut that, but please post something with sources and data to back it up rather then just your feelings

[Raeturbo]

I’m still wondering where all the lecky is going to come from, we can’t even guarantee no power cuts in the winter.

[Rangie]

I’m still wondering where all the lecky is going to come from, we can’t even guarantee no power cuts in the winter.

.


As I've already said it's a complete & utter pipedream.

[Doctor Gollum]

If you read my post and linked article and study you’d see I am talking the actual carbon footprint of an EV. It’s lower than that of an ICE vehicle.

Feel free to rebut that, but please post something with sources and data to back it up rather then just your feelings

Facts are like statistics. They can be interpreted to suit any argument. Opinion however is unique and personal, start telling people how to think, and what opinion they should have, you can rest assured that it won't end well.

In short, that article is written in conjuction with a party whose interests are primarily commercially reliant on renewables.

That out of the way, there's a discreet use of 'if' particularly in regard to what China could do. Which clearly they won't. We're way past boycotting Chinese products unless they are ethically produced... It's never stopped consumption before, and it won't now. But unless they stop doing all the things that we're outlawing, there's no point because we all share the same atmosphere and the various meteorological currents will spread their smog here just as quickly as Amazon.

Fossil fuels can largely be replaced by renewable alternatives grown from crops, not the case with battery technology.

Electricity comes from somewhere, so again, whilst an EV doesn't directly pollute at a local level, the impact is elsewhere.

Recyled clothes may well be recycled, but they're still assembled in sweat shops in some of the poorest places on the planet, by some of the poorest people. Consider that as you feel good about doing your bit.

People don't give a shit about how things are as long as they don't have to be inconvenienced by the reality of how that happens.

The most honest thing to do is to acknowledge that and do what works for you rather than pretending to care just so the liberal leftists can feel better about themselves

To (mis) quote Baz Luhrmann,
"Don't waste your time on jealousy
Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind
The race is long and in the end, it's only with yourself"

[dave the builder]

Ice vehicles run on petrol ,LPG and diesel (and there is a plentiful supply at this moment in time, with supply chains and infrastructure already in place)   ,and modern Vehicles are very efficient at converting the chemical energy into movement ,with relatively LOW emissions.
Scrapping perfectly good ICE vehicles to replace them with flawed EVs is very polluting, Globally !
People who think they are "saving the planet, being green " by currently buying and using EVs , are only 50% correct , they are "green" in the sense they are unwise to the reality 
With everything going on in the world at this moment in time ,the UK are not anywhere near "ready" to entertain swapping from proven technology of ICE vehicles with infrastructure already in place ,to 1960s milk float technology 

The UK can't meet electricity generation requirements for homes and industry(not that there's much of that left in the UK) without importing Biomass and coal (from thousands of miles away ) also importing gas and electricity ,solar panels and tech  from China etc   ,none of which is very "green" ,let alone provide electricity for EVs .

So to entertain scrapping ICE transport to use EVs is madness at this current time 

The national grid is not ready to provide power for EVs (and when it is lots of energy will be wasted due to distribution losses),
Charging infrastructure is not ready, well behind unrealistic targets set by greedy politicians (lining their own pockets) ,
The road network is not ready (because EVs are heavier and rip up the roads which are already in a very poor state of repair) ,
The UK (as a supposedly civilised society) should NOT be ignoring the human rights violations, child labour etc going on in the world ,to provide raw materials (all of which need very polluting processing and transport) and imported parts and tech for EVs , 

Stupidly trying (because it's already failed on so many levels) to swap to EVs at this time, is costing everyday working folk a fortune in increased energy costs . clean air zone fees, increased cost of food, supplies etc  , many of which can't afford it ,some rely on Government handouts, food banks etc ,so politicians ,who will be retired on a big fat pension and all the money they have extorted from working folk by the time any positive environmental impact in the UK is felt .

I say UK , because the likes of China will just ramp up pollution to supply " a green pipedream" to the stupid countries like the UK 

I've barely scratched the surface of the argument to delay EV roll out 

As for "Links and statistics" I've already researched and read many arguments for and against the madness of premature EV roll out in the UK as have many OOF members ,there's quite a few intelligent members on OOF  NOT all  so I won't bother ,use the internet 
 



 

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

50,000 miles, my arse. More like 500,000 in the hands of an Asian taxi driver.

For sale in Manchester.....

[STEMO]

Makes you wonder if it's worth keeping an eye out for a decent old diesel that can run on veggie oil. 

Something like this for example. 

50,000 miles, my arse. More like 500,000 in the hands of an Asian taxi driver.

For sale in Manchester.....

No MOT from September 2016 till July 2022. It had done 55,594 miles in 2016.

[Raeturbo]

It’s all 'dangle berries' and everybody knows it….  But there’s easy money to be made

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

White derv Merc in poverty trim located in Manchester...deffo a taxi.

Been to the moon and back that one.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

[ronnyd]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

Got it in one.

[STEMO]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

How are folk supposed to get to work without private vehicle ownership?
The silent majority need to start acting on this shit, possibly by just sitting at home when the time comes and applying for benefits.

[STEMO]

Great fire of London II sounds good to me. 

[Rangie]

I think the biggest laugh from Mr Khan is his scrappage scheme I believe it's £2,000 " help" to purchase an EV that won't even be enough to buy a light cluster as TB will probably agree. Remember the London riots not so long ago, I don't think we've seen anything yet August 2023 bring it on , read today that if a non payment of the £12.50 is issued to a motorist the penalty is £180  all seems very fair to me..😂

[YZ250]

It’s all 'dangle berries' and everybody knows it….  But there’s easy money to be made

When I started working for a certain car manufacturer in the early 80’s there was already an EV in the pipeline. It was designed to test if a production electric car would work, partly due to the U.S. state of California's demand that 2% of new cars sold in the state be zero emission. In the late 80’s that EV became a reality, and was trialled on public roads in the early 90’s. It did 155 miles on a two hour rapid charge but it’s success as a fully electric vehicle was bought to a halt as some of them caught fire when charging. 
Fast forward to 2020, the batteries have changed but the range is similar on many various brands of EV’s, and various brands still catch fire when charging.

[dave the builder]

When I started working for a certain car manufacturer in the early 80’s there was already an EV in the pipeline. It was designed to test if a production electric car would work, partly due to the U.S. state of California's demand that 2% of new cars sold in the state be zero emission. In the late 80’s that EV became a reality, and was trialled on public roads in the early 90’s. It did 155 miles on a two hour rapid charge but it’s success as a fully electric vehicle was bought to a halt as some of them caught fire when charging. 
Fast forward to 2020, the batteries have changed but the range is similar on many of them, and they still catch fire when charging.

Great fire of London II sounds good to me. 

So, If we add Uncle Stemo's idea to Mr YZ250's battery technology and make sure all the corrupt politicians and tree huggers are in London at the time  this could work out OK 

OK , there would be some polution  but a bit more UK based "Global warming" could also cut heating bills 

[Doctor Gollum]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

People living in flats can't afford EVs, so there's that

[STEMO]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

People living in flats can't afford EVs, so there's that

Saw a studio flat in London on telly today. In need of renovation, £400,000

[Doctor Gollum]

I think the biggest laugh from Mr Khan is his scrappage scheme I believe it's £2,000 " help" to purchase an EV that won't even be enough to buy a light cluster as TB will probably agree. Remember the London riots not so long ago, I don't think we've seen anything yet August 2023 bring it on , read today that if a non payment of the £12.50 is issued to a motorist the penalty is £180  all seems very fair to me..😂

And it's only available to residents of the affected boroughs, not the thousands who drive to work at places like Heathrow. And do so because public transport is unreliable or non existent at the times they need to be at work.

[Sir Tigger KC]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

People living in flats can't afford EVs, so there's that

Saw a studio flat in London on telly today. In need of renovation, £400,000

That's fine as it will be in a '15 minute zone' where everything you need will be a short walk away and you'll be able to get a permit if you have a good reason to go out of your zone. 

So need for a car of any description. 

[ronnyd]

It’s all 'dangle berries' and everybody knows it….  But there’s easy money to be made

When I started working for a certain car manufacturer in the early 80’s there was already an EV in the pipeline. It was designed to test if a production electric car would work, partly due to the U.S. state of California's demand that 2% of new cars sold in the state be zero emission. In the late 80’s that EV became a reality, and was trialled on public roads in the early 90’s. It did 155 miles on a two hour rapid charge but it’s success as a fully electric vehicle was bought to a halt as some of them caught fire when charging. 
Fast forward to 2020, the batteries have changed but the range is similar on many various brands of EV’s, and various brands still catch fire when charging.

Who built them? Boeing?

[Doctor Gollum]

It’s all 'dangle berries' and everybody knows it….  But there’s easy money to be made

When I started working for a certain car manufacturer in the early 80’s there was already an EV in the pipeline. It was designed to test if a production electric car would work, partly due to the U.S. state of California's demand that 2% of new cars sold in the state be zero emission. In the late 80’s that EV became a reality, and was trialled on public roads in the early 90’s. It did 155 miles on a two hour rapid charge but it’s success as a fully electric vehicle was bought to a halt as some of them caught fire when charging. 
Fast forward to 2020, the batteries have changed but the range is similar on many various brands of EV’s, and various brands still catch fire when charging.

Who built them? Boeing?

GM I suspect, called the EV1. They quietly brought almost all of them back and crushed the lot.

[YZ250]

It’s all 'dangle berries' and everybody knows it….  But there’s easy money to be made

When I started working for a certain car manufacturer in the early 80’s there was already an EV in the pipeline. It was designed to test if a production electric car would work, partly due to the U.S. state of California's demand that 2% of new cars sold in the state be zero emission. In the late 80’s that EV became a reality, and was trialled on public roads in the early 90’s. It did 155 miles on a two hour rapid charge but it’s success as a fully electric vehicle was bought to a halt as some of them caught fire when charging. 
Fast forward to 2020, the batteries have changed but the range is similar on many various brands of EV’s, and various brands still catch fire when charging.

Who built them? Boeing?

GM I suspect, called the EV1. They quietly brought almost all of them back and crushed the lot.

It was German.    It seems an awful lot of EV’s, Tesla included, go up in flames in normal use and not necessarily when on charge.    Must be scary losing your electrics and having to smash your way out. 

[countrywoman]

Ford have stopped making the F150 pickup due to battery fires.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Ford have stopped making the F150 pickup due to battery fires.

https://twitter.com/RileyMooreWV/status/1626956027160629248

[Doctor Gollum]

Ford have sabotaged their own commercial EV efforts in order to maximise their investment in Rivian, a commercial EV company that they co own with Amazon.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

How the hell are are the people who live in blocks of flats going to charge their EV,s ?
Similar story for the millions of people who only have parking on the road outside their homes - if they are lucky.
There will eventually be charging stations, but they need to make a profit so it wont be that cheap, if you can find one when you need one, and can then access one of the charging points for as long as you need to.
It isnt possible to have the required infrastructure for several decades at least.
A pipedream indeed. Unless the plan is actually to force most people away from private vehicle ownership - which is entirely possible.

People living in flats can't afford EVs, so there's that

Saw a studio flat in London on telly today. In need of renovation, £400,000

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

[Kevin Wood]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

Is cooking and crapping at the same time a thing amongst tin tent lovers?....

[Kevin Wood]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

Is cooking and crapping at the same time a thing amongst tin tent lovers?....

I would imagine so. Never tried it myself.

[Doctor Gollum]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

A £400,000 caravan is probably bigger than a flat in Lundun

[Sir Tigger KC]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

A £400,000 caravan is probably bigger than a flat in Lundun

I wonder how long a gold plated caravan would last in Londinium? 

[ronnyd]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

A £400,000 caravan is probably bigger than a flat in Lundun

I reckon a £40.000 one would be too.

[Doctor Gollum]

Cooker and crapper in the same room. Nice and cosy.

Ok for the caravanners amongst us.

A £400,000 caravan is probably bigger than a flat in Lundun

I reckon a £40.000 one would be too.

Nah, £40,000 won't buy you a converted VW Shitbox.

[STEMO]

Back to EV battery production

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/workers-are-dying-in-the-ev-industrys-tainted-city

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

All because naive, worldly unwise, guilt ridden ,middle class morons can fool themselves that they are saving the planet and mankind. 

[Doctor Gollum]

All because naive, worldly unwise, guilt ridden ,middle class morons can fool themselves that they are saving the planet and mankind. 

GLWT

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Problem is, they are running the fickin world now.