Topic: NCDC 2015 (the one with the colour display/SatNav) (Read 4417 times)

Diamond Black Geezer · « **on:** 08 January 2010, 21:17:39 »

Just a quickie...

got a mate who's complaining his 3.2 Elites colour display has a habit of working 'when it wants to'

Question 1) Is this an irreparably knackered screen, or is there a repair?

Also heard talk of fitting the colour screen to another head unit (eg: '00my CDX, CCR 2006) thus getting a colour screen, is possible.

Question 2) Have I been led up a certain garden path on this one?

Many thanks, in advance people.

tunnie · « **Reply #1 on:** 08 January 2010, 21:26:22 »

what are the symptoms? colour screens can be repaired, PM TheBoy or DaveDND, but its risky they easily break.

Replacement screens can be coded to headunits, but they must be set in 'delivery mode' otherwise they can't be paired. Also have a faint memory that the head unit has to be in delivery mode too :-/

Andy H · « **Reply #2 on:** 08 January 2010, 22:05:06 »

I think it is only the NCDC sat nav units that work with the graphics screens (GID/mono or CID/colour).

The manufacturers (Sharp) seem to have stopped making the LCD screens that are used in the CID units so repairs aren't possible any more.

Alfa Romeo used the same Sharp screens in their colour displays. Don't know if that would provide an alternative source of parts for refurbishment :-/

VXL V6 · « **Reply #3 on:** 08 January 2010, 22:17:33 »

Question 1) It's the Sharp LCD panel at fault
Question 2) Nah, 'fraid not!

tunnie · « **Reply #4 on:** 08 January 2010, 22:19:52 »

sorry just noticed you wanted the screen to a 2006 unit, no that won't work, only NCDC units as previously mentioned

Mr Hagon · « **Reply #5 on:** 08 January 2010, 22:24:02 »

I would guess it's the same problem I had in that the screen would work when it wanted to then eventually gave up and just went white.

If you can get hold of a replacement panel that seems to be the only fix. In the end I used BBA-reman as some other people have but you're still talking a good few hundred quid for them to source the panel and test it. Then again that's about half The £1173 + VAT and fitting a stealer would have off you...

TheBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** 09 January 2010, 09:04:14 »

The panels are difficult to get hold of now.

The CIDs and GIDs only work on NCDx range of radios (ignoring the newer range of screens/radios that won't work in Omega anyway).

If anyone has a broken CID that they no longer want, I may be interested in buying, particularly if you have the pairing code, as I have a couple of CIDs with broken electronics.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #7 on:** 09 January 2010, 17:20:59 »

Many thanks people!

All's I know is that the screen has a habit of not working every now and then. Unfortunately I cant give you more detail than that, as I haven't even seen the car, I just got a txt out of the blue, as he heard I knew a thing or two about Vaux's. (but not everything!!)

So if anyone had a replacement NCDC 2015, how much would he have to pay?
What would his 'broke' ICE be worth, less- the screen? It's the 2015 with the Bose, by the way.

Ta!

TheBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 January 2010, 17:47:23 »

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Many thanks people!

All's I know is that the screen has a habit of not working every now and then. Unfortunately I cant give you more detail than that, as I haven't even seen the car, I just got a txt out of the blue, as he heard I knew a thing or two about Vaux's. (but not everything!!)

So if anyone had a replacement NCDC 2015, how much would he have to pay?
What would his 'broke' ICE be worth, less- the screen? It's the 2015 with the Bose, by the way.

Ta!

its the screen thats faulty, not the 2015.

Depaired, perfect 2013/2015 headunit (on its own), probably worth around £150-200.

Depaired, perfect CID worth £300-500

TheBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 January 2010, 17:47:49 »

And specialist equip needed to marry new units together

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #10 on:** 10 January 2010, 17:36:57 »

Right...

Sounds like the 'specialist equipment' is a Tech2 to 'depair' the unit and screen.

I take it there's no other way to do this? (I'm assuming It's not like my stereo, where you can choose to have the thing with a code, or without. eg: if you want to disconnect the battery.) Will these cheapy tech2s that you install onto a lap-top do the trick as well?

I've got a mate down here who is happy to have a go at repairing the screen, but by the sounds of it, it cant just removed from the car without fouling it up. So he needs someone in Newcastle who can do the Tech2 thing, so he can post the screen down to me...

anyone know anybody in Newcastle with Tech2 competence? Please let me know!

Thanks.

hotel21 · « **Reply #11 on:** 10 January 2010, 18:00:09 »

As I understand it, T2 is the only way to depair/pair. I am in East Central Scotland with other T2's at Brackley, Nottingham and Hampshire.

Suggest the only other option is to pop round the back of your nearest VX dealer at tea break/lunchtime and ask one of the techs if they fancied a contribution to their choccy biscuit fund....

TheBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 January 2010, 18:28:23 »

it will always have a pairing code. This is not the same as an old fashioned code you have to enter after disconnecting battery.

When switched on, all devices in the chain all have to negotiate with each other, and exchange credentials. This includes Headunit, CD Changer (even though on that model its integral to HU, its electronically a seperate unit), screen and telematics.

All devices have to be present, and the code used to pair has to be known.

Genuine, real Tech2 is only safe way. Other devices costing several £100s can do it, but not reliably.

Diamond Black Geezer · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 January 2010, 19:04:26 »

Interesting...

Ive been looking at what other have been saying about this pairing / depairing thing... I can understand/appreciate how it is a vital procedure, to guard against making the whole thing worthless! But at the moment this paring seems to 'communicate' between Head Unit, Autochanger and Screen, but no mention of the actual car being in the loop.

Therefore, can someone tell me why, for example an Omega Elite with a disconnected battery could not have its NCDC2015 removed, and installed into another Omega Elite. Assuming nothing is powered up without everyting being connected, surely neither Head Unit, Autochanger or CID are aware that they have been moved into another vehicle...

Is this the case?

TheBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 January 2010, 19:13:58 »

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Interesting...

Ive been looking at what other have been saying about this pairing / depairing thing... I can understand/appreciate how it is a vital procedure, to guard against making the whole thing worthless! But at the moment this paring seems to 'communicate' between Head Unit, Autochanger and Screen, but no mention of the actual car being in the loop.

Therefore, can someone tell me why, for example an Omega Elite with a disconnected battery could not have its NCDC2015 removed, and installed into another Omega Elite. Assuming nothing is powered up without everyting being connected, surely neither Head Unit, Autochanger or CID are aware that they have been moved into another vehicle...

Is this the case?

In the case of Omega and NCDX range, you can move it between cars, as long as all paired parts are moved. (there will be some rewiring to do if yours had ccr2006).

This is not the case for newer systems in newer cars.

hotel21 · « **Reply #15 on:** 10 January 2010, 19:15:56 »

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Interesting...

Ive been looking at what other have been saying about this pairing / depairing thing... I can understand/appreciate how it is a vital procedure, to guard against making the whole thing worthless! But at the moment this paring seems to 'communicate' between Head Unit, Autochanger and Screen, but no mention of the actual car being in the loop.

Therefore, can someone tell me why, for example an Omega Elite with a disconnected battery could not have its NCDC2015 removed, and installed into another Omega Elite. Assuming nothing is powered up without everyting being connected, surely neither Head Unit, Autochanger or CID are aware that they have been moved into another vehicle...

Is this the case?
In the case of Omega and NCDX range, you can move it between cars, as long as all paired parts are moved. (there will be some rewiring to do if yours had ccr2006).

This is not the case for newer systems in newer cars.

If moved complete from one car to another, would it not cause problems in the new car if you want to depair?? Seem top recall something read yonks ago that an ECU was in the loop somewheres...

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 10 January 2010, 19:20:34 »

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Interesting...

Ive been looking at what other have been saying about this pairing / depairing thing... I can understand/appreciate how it is a vital procedure, to guard against making the whole thing worthless! But at the moment this paring seems to 'communicate' between Head Unit, Autochanger and Screen, but no mention of the actual car being in the loop.

Therefore, can someone tell me why, for example an Omega Elite with a disconnected battery could not have its NCDC2015 removed, and installed into another Omega Elite. Assuming nothing is powered up without everyting being connected, surely neither Head Unit, Autochanger or CID are aware that they have been moved into another vehicle...

Is this the case?
In the case of Omega and NCDX range, you can move it between cars, as long as all paired parts are moved. (there will be some rewiring to do if yours had ccr2006).

This is not the case for newer systems in newer cars.

If moved complete from one car to another, would it not cause problems in the new car if you want to depair?? Seem top recall something read yonks ago that an ECU was in the loop somewheres...

In case of Omegas and NCDx range, only the ICE components are included in the security ring. They tend to be paired with same PIN as the immobiliser PIN in the factory, but the systems aren't linked (on Omega).

hotel21 · « **Reply #17 on:** 10 January 2010, 19:25:09 »

It will be the security code number I was thinking of...

Dave DND · « **Reply #18 on:** 11 January 2010, 10:45:19 »

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Interesting...

Ive been looking at what other have been saying about this pairing / depairing thing... I can understand/appreciate how it is a vital procedure, to guard against making the whole thing worthless! But at the moment this paring seems to 'communicate' between Head Unit, Autochanger and Screen, but no mention of the actual car being in the loop.

Therefore, can someone tell me why, for example an Omega Elite with a disconnected battery could not have its NCDC2015 removed, and installed into another Omega Elite. Assuming nothing is powered up without everyting being connected, surely neither Head Unit, Autochanger or CID are aware that they have been moved into another vehicle...

Is this the case?
In the case of Omega and NCDX range, you can move it between cars, as long as all paired parts are moved. (there will be some rewiring to do if yours had ccr2006).

This is not the case for newer systems in newer cars.

Correct - unlike any other Vauxhall with a paired or Married stereo, the Omega stereo system is only paired with the other components such as the screen, stereo and telematics - and they can all be transferred from one vehicle to another without teh need for any programming, provided that the ENTIRE system is transferred as a whole. If any item within the system needs divorcing or exchanging, then the correct pairing codes will need to be used.

Later model Vauxhalls also have this system, but with the added security feature that they are also married to the vehicle ECU as well.

And no, it is inadvisable to use the laptop software to attempt this, strictly Tech2 only, as too easy to make a radio code irrecoverable if not carefull

bigmac · « **Reply #19 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:02:14 »

Afaik the head unit and screen are only paired to each other not the car's ECU on later vauxhall car's,Most of the newer vectra's have the same setup including mine and mine is coded to my car using a tottaly different code than the car's security code.

Same with the newer full can radio's like the CD30,70 they are only coded together using the car's security code they talk to each other the car doesn't ask them for security code or attempt to block it if codes dont math with ECU code,this is why you can buy fully paired screens and head units together from scrapyards and fit without any problems

Dave DND · « **Reply #20 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:15:29 »

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Afaik the head unit and screen are only paired to each other not the car's ECU on later vauxhall car's,Most of the newer vectra's have the same setup including mine and mine is coded to my car using a tottaly different code than the car's security code.

Same with the newer full can radio's like the CD30,70 they are only coded together using the car's security code they talk to each other the car doesn't ask them for security code or attempt to block it if codes dont math with ECU code,this is why you can buy fully paired screens and head units together from scrapyards and fit without any problems

Actually, on the later CD30 / 40 / 70 / 90 etc that can cause a major problem if you ever need to hook the car up to a tech2 as you have now introduced two different pairing codes into the car and if you are really unlucky the codes can migrate from radio to ecu and vice versa making further communication with the car prohibitive as it is no longer possible to communicate with the correct vehicle code

bigmac · « **Reply #21 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:24:46 »

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Afaik the head unit and screen are only paired to each other not the car's ECU on later vauxhall car's,Most of the newer vectra's have the same setup including mine and mine is coded to my car using a tottaly different code than the car's security code.

Same with the newer full can radio's like the CD30,70 they are only coded together using the car's security code they talk to each other the car doesn't ask them for security code or attempt to block it if codes dont math with ECU code,this is why you can buy fully paired screens and head units together from scrapyards and fit without any problems

Actually, on the later CD30 / 40 / 70 / 90 etc that can cause a major problem if you ever need to hook the car up to a tech2 as you have now introduced two different pairing codes into the car and if you are really unlucky the codes can migrate from radio to ecu and vice versa making further communication with the car prohibitive as it is no longer possible to communicate with the correct vehicle code

Learn some thing new every day,never heard of this happening as yet touch wood and ive known loads of people who have done the same here and in germany i always thought the head unit and screen talked to each other and don't need a code to talk to the car this is shown when you put 2 units together with different codes they will still communicate through canbus and they will still work however because they can talk to each other you get a display safe and a beep.

And basically its possible to fit a CD70 into a non canbus car thus proving you don't need the stereo to talk to the ECU

But if it is the case would there be a problem with my 03 vectra and me using a different code ? as theboy didn't think there would be

TheBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:27:36 »

Vectra is a half baked CAN as far as the stereo is concerned, OK to move the stuff around between cars

bigmac · « **Reply #23 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:29:20 »

Cheers Jaime had me worried for a minute

happy new year btw

Dave DND · « **Reply #24 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:44:58 »

03 vectra would be ok, as like the Omega, its not a full CAN system - however, I wouldn`t try it on an 05 or later.

Have a look at my posts on the Vectra forums and you will see many of the complex issues (that means expensive) that we have to contend with on a daily basis as a result of this swap.

bigmac · « **Reply #25 on:** 11 January 2010, 11:52:23 »

Not doubting you buddy you know more about stereo's than me

its just i'm Mod on vectra-c.com and in all the time ive been on there ive never heard of any problems with cars ECU and stereo code's and we deal in these cars only,maybe weve been lucky

Dave DND · « **Reply #26 on:** 11 January 2010, 12:01:33 »

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Not doubting you buddy you know more about stereo's than me its just i'm Mod on vectra-c.com and in all the time ive been on there ive never heard of any problems with cars ECU and stereo code's and we deal in these cars only,maybe weve been lucky

VERY LUCKY !!

Yes, the display and stereo can talk to each other on a bench or a non-can car, and yes, can be fitted (as a pair) to any car without programming and it will work. However, the problems are not instantly obvious

If you try to connect a Tech2 and enter the vehicle PUK code, you can talk to the car as normal, however, if you ever scan and communicate with the radio, in most cases it will then use the radio pairing code (unknown) and overwrite this as a new vehicle PUK code - but you will remain oblivious to this during teh current Tech2 session. If you then try to re-establish Tech2 communication with the car, the original PUK code will no longer be valid, as it will be waiting for the new Pairing code from the radio to be entered - and I`m sure you can see where this is leading and how many ECU`s need to be reprogrammed or replaced if this happens.

Its so easy to correctly depair a head unit and screen these days, that the problem is no longer as rife as it was six months ago

bigmac · « **Reply #27 on:** 11 January 2010, 12:05:55 »

Cool Dave will keep my eye's open if anyone has a similar problem,problem is now days there's a lot of these head units being sold as a pair and without code so most dont want to fork out extra money to retrive code then get a tech2 session

seems the easy option can be the most expensive in the long run

iOmega · « **Reply #28 on:** 11 January 2010, 19:34:34 »

just realised :-? ...am new and confused...
I read the posts a few times...but the ideas and knowledge varies a lot!...So is it possible to fit any later upgrade model radio units into a 1996 2.5 cdx?!...
Tried to fit a Eanon 7'' in car single din DVD player...worked for 30secs...did the research and obviously found out about the Omega Boss audio system...even the guy installing it didn't know about this...took my monies for an unfished job!..I remember him quoting..''I've done hundreds of these! there's something wrong with your wiring!"..he told me!
Please help...would like to install the Phillips early sat navi systems..or a half decent radio...but I don't even know where to begin now....do I need to rewire the car's audio system just to fit a 70 quid stereo?...how do you guys do it!!?!...I know it can be done because I've seen wiring adapters, fascia housings etc..How do I begin to fit a another stereo? Any reprogramming required to the GID display?

many conflicting results...stuck!!! please help!

TheBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** 11 January 2010, 19:38:05 »

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just realised :-? ...am new and confused...
I read the posts a few times...but the ideas and knowledge varies a lot!...So is it possible to fit any later upgrade model radio units into a 1996 2.5 cdx?!...
Tried to fit a Eanon 7'' in car single din DVD player...worked for 30secs...did the research and obviously found out about the Omega Boss audio system...even the guy installing it didn't know about this...took my monies for an unfished job!..I remember him quoting..''I've done hundreds of these! there's something wrong with your wiring!"..he told me!
Please help...would like to install the Phillips early sat navi systems..or a half decent radio...but I don't even know where to begin now....do I need to rewire the car's audio system just to fit a 70 quid stereo?...how do you guys do it!!?!...I know it can be done because I've seen wiring adapters, fascia housings etc..How do I begin to fit a another stereo? Any reprogramming required to the GID display?

many conflicting results...stuck!!! please help!

Not sure i understand the Q? So apologies if I talk rubbish!

Carin satnav doesn't like to stereo at all. So no need to confuse that with stereo.

To retain Bose amp and speakers, you need a Vauxhall bose compatible radio. That said, a 1996 won't have bose - it has the Philips amp.

Me easily confuddled

Dave DND · « **Reply #30 on:** 12 January 2010, 09:02:06 »

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Eanon 7'' in car single din DVD player...worked for 30secs

Thats about the lifespan of some of these poor import units - stick to a reputable brand or you will be wasting your money.

As TB says, your car won`t have BOSE amplifiers, if for any reason it does, then it must be removed along with the speakers as the system and speakers are not compatable with aftermarket stereos. As far as the display goes, there are aftermarket interfaces available off the shelf to run the Omega displays (not sure about the one for the OEM Phone head unit) and these will only work if your stereo has the ability of driving a display (not all do)

Carin satnav is purely independant, with only supply voltages, reverse signal and a speed pulse wire required - very easy retro fit.

iOmega · « **Reply #31 on:** 12 January 2010, 13:37:43 »

sori... when I say ''stereo''...I just mean radio unit, or head unit, different from the 1 have already...but am sure I have a boss amplifier and speakers at the very least!

So can the whole system just be taken out or by-passed or something?
Or can I only just fit a Boss compatible radio in order for it work, like you said?
Basically I want that radio unit out, besides...I need a new GID display!
Spoke to a guy on eBay...from Germany, he's Selling the complete Carin navigation kit, he has few up for sale actually! I asked him if it would work in my vehicle and he said "it would work no problem!"

Just don't want to be stuck with a 6 DISC Cd changer! don't have many Cds!! :-/

Dave DND · « **Reply #32 on:** 12 January 2010, 13:44:43 »

What stereo do you have fitted currently?

Be very carefull with the answer as BOSE and BOSS are both recognised amplifier makes, but will have exceptionally different answers

iOmega · « **Reply #33 on:** 12 January 2010, 20:02:14 »

well, when the eonon dvd player was fitted, at the time of installation, we heard the FM static as he was testing the it, the CD player played, but the sound cut out after 30secs and the unit was still on and functioning..tried so much to get the sound back but nothing! Hence which led me to believe that it had the BOSE sound system! The Unit was then tried in other cars and worked fine! :-/

Well am gonna look at the speakers and check exactly whats under there! I did find out as you said that Bose and Boss ain't the same thing!...found a few head-units made by ''Boss''!
I just tried the link below for your website...but of course its currently not working!
Is it possible to bring the car down to you with all my bits and you sort it out for me please!...It's obvious your knowledge is well beyond just basics!

just waiting so I can order the timing belt CD on friday, then am good to go! thanks

iOmega · « **Reply #34 on:** 12 January 2010, 21:26:58 »

i have a CDC SC 804 Phillips with the 6 disc changer!

pizza dude · « **Reply #35 on:** 13 January 2010, 15:07:55 »

having the same prob with mine, the screen a coloured snow storm 50 percent of the time, battery been off for ages will i need to put any security codes in to operate again when the battery is re-connected?( as i dont think i have them, if any needed, was just bought for the engine )

TheBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** 13 January 2010, 18:17:16 »

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having the same prob with mine, the screen a coloured snow storm 50 percent of the time, battery been off for ages will i need to put any security codes in to operate again when the battery is re-connected?( as i dont think i have them, if any needed, was just bought for the engine )

no.

Dave DND · « **Reply #37 on:** 14 January 2010, 10:32:28 »

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well, when the eonon dvd player was fitted, at the time of installation, we heard the FM static as he was testing the it, the CD player played, but the sound cut out after 30secs and the unit was still on and functioning..tried so much to get the sound back but nothing! Hence which led me to believe that it had the BOSE sound system! The Unit was then tried in other cars and worked fine! :-/

Well am gonna look at the speakers and check exactly whats under there! I did find out as you said that Bose and Boss ain't the same thing!...found a few head-units made by ''Boss''!
I just tried the link below for your website...but of course its currently not working!
Is it possible to bring the car down to you with all my bits and you sort it out for me please!...It's obvious your knowledge is well beyond just basics!

just waiting so I can order the timing belt CD on friday, then am good to go! thanks

By all means come and visit - But I`m hoping you are in Luton, Devon and not Luton, Beds, as we relocated from Stevenage many years ago !!

From your description, I think its highly unlikely that you have BOSE, and the problems are nothing more than the poor quality head unit and a conflict of connecting up to speakers that is putting the audio side into protection mode - suggest to take it back for a refund and look for something a little better quality.

iOmega · « **Reply #38 on:** 14 January 2010, 12:43:23 »

...Luton, Beds! Idea's Flopped then!!!....Shame really...no 1 seems to know much about the wiring system on theses cars around here, ironic...since Luton is a very much a Vauxhall town and there's loads of spare vauxhall parts shops...but they only deal with Corsa and Astra!

But am willing to drive down there you know!...I'll make a holiday out of it!...never been to Devon before! 8-)
straight forward from here...M1>...M25...M4>...M5! 4 hour drive!..no prob!

Besides, I'll get to see what the car can do after the service is fully done!!

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Author Topic: NCDC 2015 (the one with the colour display/SatNav) (Read 4417 times)