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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 14 March 2012, 18:41:10
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Good evening chaps, hope you're all well :)
This weekend I am going to do the Paper Clip Test, see what codes come up on Ralf's dashboard as it definitely would be nice to fix the old boy. Plus the codes that I get may see me doing all sorts of weird and wonderful jobs which is all marvellous for the experience :y
However, I feel it's really important that I don't lose sight of what my intentions for the car were; which was to practise a set list of jobs including servicing, cam cover gaskets, timing belt, head gasket, brakes etc etc.
As you know, if you've read my threads, I've been overly paranoid about doing done the servicing and I've done the cam cover gaskets. Absolutely loving it and (touch wood) not hit any problems.
SO, what next for Bear on his quest to learn mechanics? Well I've come to the conclusion I should do brake pad and disc replacement. A couple of reasons. Money playing a big part. If I was to do timing belt I'd need the locking kit and to be honest I'd rather spend the dosh on a jacking kit being this early in my ''career''..... buying a push chair before size 12 running shoes is the theory ;)
Now, I've found this video on brake pad replacement...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZHf85IXEIY
I chose this vid just cos I know you won't want to sit there for hours to see the whole job. Yes this guy is an complete retard but in short it should be this simple surely?? However, there's a few things I've noticed he doesn't do that perhaps he should.....
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1.) no use of anti seize or silicone paste
2.) he doesn't appear to open the brake valve bleeder thingy
3. he doesnt pinch the brake pipe so fluid isn't forced back to the master cylinder.
if i do what he does PLUS the above. will that be ok? :)
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Hang about, hang about....did you get it running yet?
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Only a touch of coppaslip on the pad guides
Never opened the bleed nipple
Never pinched the brake pipe
Get the caliper off, hang it securely and replace the disc+pads
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Hang about, hang about....did you get it running yet?
;D yes mate got it running. it sounds better but still a bit ''dugga dugga'' like.... so paper clipping this weekend and see what we jolly well get :y
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Only a touch of coppaslip on the pad guides
Never opened the bleed nipple
Never pinched the brake pipe
Get the caliper off, hang it securely and replace the disc+pads
ok, thanks OMG :y :y :y :y
Do the discs come off easily?
and can i do one side and have the car on one axel stand or should i use two always? :)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90538.0 ::)
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90538.0 ::)
'dangle berries'! I looked for that as well >:( ::)
So no pinching of line needed or opening bleed valve??? i thought you had to do that to allow the piston to go back in :-\ also i have a huge screw driver and i mean its massive :D.... will i be able to turn piston like that? is it a cross or a one line indent (the piston that is)
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this guy is an complete retard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZHf85IXEIY ;D
Good old scotty / slap happy no nonsense mechanic . Hitting your ratchet with a hammer ::) ::)
Nice to see nothing is phasing you steve , brakes are quite easy considering the jobs you have already done . Keep up the good work :y :y
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Just done mine couple of tips for what its worth......
If your doing all four discs and pads keep an eye on the master cylinder as it can over flow with all those new pads in there..
Sort out a nice G clamp or ratchet clamp for pushing the pistons back in to get your new pads in..
Bit of wet and dry to dress the brake pins so they are nice and smooth.
Good luck :y
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You don't need to open the bleed nipples - some people have managed to invert seals in the master cylinder/ABS unit by not doing so (though I never have .. touch wood!) but one advantage of opening the bleed nipple is that you're evacuating the cruddiest bit of the brake fluid (the bit down by the calliper that gets hot/boiled/worked hard).
The front brake piston should just push back in - with the nipple open possibly by hand (otherwise old brake pad + G-clamp is my favourite method).
Rear brake pistons often 'screw' back in - not sure on the Omega as I've not done one yet. If they do, though, you usually need a special tool (about a tenner for a basic one) as you need a tool with two 'pins'.. although in a pinch once I did use a large open ended spanner with another spanner on the ring end. Ahem. Only a slight bodge.. ;D
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Rear brake pistons often 'screw' back in - not sure on the Omega as I've not done one yet. If they do, ....
They don't ;)
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Cheers folks. I think i'm just going to jack it up a\nd see how it goes ;D
here's a random thought............
if i was to take the old pads out, screw (or push) the piston back and then put the OLD pads back, presumably what would happen is that when i came to pumping the brake pedal it would just take ages as the piston would need to move out again to the spot it was in previously? as i said weird thought but i am weird so thats cool :y
also i take it that what looks like white string on the guide is the sensor wiring? and i presume it's location and hook up points will become imediately apparent once i gert the wheel off?
cheers again all.. love all the comments :-* :-* :-* :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Might be worth buying a sensor as they brake really easily....
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Cheers folks. I think i'm just going to jack it up a\nd see how it goes ;D
here's a random thought............
if i was to take the old pads out, screw (or push) the piston back and then put the OLD pads back, presumably what would happen is that when i came to pumping the brake pedal it would just take ages as the piston would need to move out again to the spot it was in previously? as i said weird thought but i am weird so thats cool :y
also i take it that what looks like white string on the guide is the sensor wiring? and i presume it's location and hook up points will become imediately apparent once i gert the wheel off?
cheers again all.. love all the comments :-* :-* :-* :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
Yes it would take a few presses of the pedal to push the old pads back to where they were .......... always push the pedal till you get a firm pedal after replacing pads. It's un-nerving if you do it on the road at the end of the street! ::) ::)
The white string looking stuff is .............. white string! ;) It's taking the weight of the caliper off the brake hose. :y :y
It's obvious how the sensor clips to the pad. ;)
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Cheers folks. I think i'm just going to jack it up a\nd see how it goes ;D
here's a random thought............
if i was to take the old pads out, screw (or push) the piston back and then put the OLD pads back, presumably what would happen is that when i came to pumping the brake pedal it would just take ages as the piston would need to move out again to the spot it was in previously? as i said weird thought but i am weird so thats cool :y
also i take it that what looks like white string on the guide is the sensor wiring? and i presume it's location and hook up points will become imediately apparent once i gert the wheel off?
cheers again all.. love all the comments :-* :-* :-* :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
Yes it would take a few presses of the pedal to push the old pads back to where they were .......... always push the pedal till you get a firm pedal after replacing pads. It's un-nerving if you do it on the road at the end of the street! ::) ::)
The white string looking stuff is .............. white string! ;) It's taking the weight of the caliper off the brake hose. :y :y
It's obvious how the sensor clips to the pad. ;)
cheers mate. all seems straight forward (touch wood)
what do you get in a new brake kit... pads and what else? :)
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Pads are just the 4 front pads, around £15. You may get 2 replacement bolts.
Disc and Pad set is, err, 4 pads, 2 discs, and maybe 2 bolts.
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Pads are just the 4 front pads, around £15. You may get 2 replacement bolts.
Disc and Pad set is, err, 4 pads, 2 discs, and maybe 2 bolts.
TY
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I might have a spare coil pack somewhere if you needed to try one for the miss fire.
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I might have a spare coil pack somewhere if you needed to try one for the miss fire.
Thanks Mark, that would be great :y
How much would you want for it? PM me details if you want to shift it ;)
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well doing brake pads on the new car sunday takes about 30 mins a side and thats my son doing them he is slow ;D ;D ;D ;D once you done one side you will see how easy it is steve :y :y :y
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well doing brake pads on the new car sunday takes about 30 mins a side and thats my son doing them he is slow ;D ;D ;D ;D once you done one side you will see how easy it is steve :y :y :y
Cheers Ralf... i will take my time though first time round :y
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well doing brake pads on the new car sunday takes about 30 mins a side and thats my son doing them he is slow ;D ;D ;D ;D once you done one side you will see how easy it is steve :y :y :y
Cheers Ralf... i will take my time though first time round :y
i like to do it myself but cant id be flat on my back if i did :y :y :y :y
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well doing brake pads on the new car sunday takes about 30 mins a side and thats my son doing them he is slow ;D ;D ;D ;D once you done one side you will see how easy it is steve :y :y :y
Cheers Ralf... i will take my time though first time round :y
i like to do it myself but cant id be flat on my back if i did :y :y :y :y
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi chaps. not bumping this thread but a quick Q.... is it necessary to turn the wheel when doing front pads. just wondering if the caliper mounting bolts might be tricky to get to and thus turning the wheel will aid this :)
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Hi chaps. not bumping this thread but a quick Q.... is it necessary to turn the wheel when doing front pads. just wondering if the caliper mounting bolts might be tricky to get to and thus turning the wheel will aid this :)
It makes it a lot easier if you do :y :y
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Hi chaps. not bumping this thread but a quick Q.... is it necessary to turn the wheel when doing front pads. just wondering if the caliper mounting bolts might be tricky to get to and thus turning the wheel will aid this :)
It makes it a lot easier if you do :y :y
Cheers mate. do you get the wheel off and then turn it or just do it at the start of the job? :)
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Hi chaps. not bumping this thread but a quick Q.... is it necessary to turn the wheel when doing front pads. just wondering if the caliper mounting bolts might be tricky to get to and thus turning the wheel will aid this :)
It makes it a lot easier if you do :y :y
Cheers mate. do you get the wheel off and then turn it or just do it at the start of the job? :)
I jack both sides up and onto axle stands, then do the job .. makes it easy to swing the disc with no weight on .. just stick the key in the ignition to undo the lock. I mean .. you're not only gonna change one side are you ??? Are you ?? :(
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Hi chaps. not bumping this thread but a quick Q.... is it necessary to turn the wheel when doing front pads. just wondering if the caliper mounting bolts might be tricky to get to and thus turning the wheel will aid this :)
It makes it a lot easier if you do :y :y
Cheers mate. do you get the wheel off and then turn it or just do it at the start of the job? :)
I jack both sides up and onto axle stands, then do the job .. makes it easy to swing the disc with no weight on .. just stick the key in the ignition to undo the lock. I mean .. you're not only gonna change one side are you ??? Are you ?? :(
no i'm not actually changiong them.... i'm just going to ''simulate'' the job and put it all back together with the old parts ;)
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Good luck steve , when you finish pop over here and get this B*stad bolt out ;D Ill be out the back drinking tea ;D
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Good luck steve , when you finish pop over here and get this B*stad bolt out ;D Ill be out the back drinking tea ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ive heard of the b**tard bolt. where is it?
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Good luck steve , when you finish pop over here and get this B*stad bolt out ;D Ill be out the back drinking tea ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ive heard of the b**tard bolt. where is it?
Here someplace ::)
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/v6_dbw_thermostat/IMG_4868.JPG)
Its hiding near the stat housing i think , shouldnt be too bad to get to once the power steering res is out the way :-X
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I done my brakes a couple of weeks ago mate. The rear was problem free but i had to drill out the disc retaining screws on the front.
Also the pad wear sensor broke when i tried to remove it.
All in all not to dificult a job,depends on how worn and corroded they are i think. :y