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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 30 March 2008, 00:24:50
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Ok, so it's an old Landrover. Structurally it is VERY good, but there is one minor problem. 3 holes in the NS inner wing, which I believe is not structural (or an MOT fail?)
Can anyone advise, on whether this is easy for a welder to patch - and if any of you are any good, fancy a cash job? ::)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k205/jamesv6cdx/24032008010.jpg)
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Cheers :)
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
Yep, and a v good one.. if you want to wait a week for a reply :y
Or is that a kind way of telling me to bugger off.. :-[
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i would say it would be a MOT fail, those holes cant be that far away from a structural member.
Can they be welded, yes, shouldn't be an issue for someone with experience of using a welder
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
Yep, and a v good one.. if you want to wait a week for a reply :y
Or is that a kind way of telling me to bugger off.. :-[
Nooooo, just a bit of banter, hope you take it in that way. :) or are you LK by another name. :D :D :D
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
Yep, and a v good one.. if you want to wait a week for a reply :y
Or is that a kind way of telling me to bugger off.. :-[
Naah,
Those holes look pretty straightforward to weld plates over; not by me though!
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i would say it would be a MOT fail, those holes cant be that far away from a structural member.
Can they be welded, yes, shouldn't be an issue for someone with experience of using a welder
I would welcome lots of opinions on this, because the inner wing is not at all structural, it's only made of metal a mm or so thick...
Worst case scenario... I know that there are hundreds of companies that do an entire inner wing :y
I've got a couple of months, I want it tip top for MOT, it is my mission that it will not fail ;D :y
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
Yep, and a v good one.. if you want to wait a week for a reply :y
Or is that a kind way of telling me to bugger off.. :-[
Nooooo, just a bit of banter, hope you take it in that way. :) or are you LK by another name. :D :D :D
I'm offended ;D ;D ;D
(not really ;) )
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Is there not a forum for landrovers then? :D
Yep, and a v good one.. if you want to wait a week for a reply :y
Or is that a kind way of telling me to bugger off.. :-[
You read my mind :o
;D
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I don't think you'd appreciate my birdsh!t welding....
I would get done - I think any perforation like that will be a failure?
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Have welder but no clue how to use it properly. Keep meaning to go on an evening course. :-/
I was talking to Mrs. KW's uncle last weekend. He's trying to save a disco at the moment (well, wondering whether to get it road legal or off-road it until it falls to bits.).
He's had issues with the sills both sides, and the box sections on the rear of the body that sit on the chassis.
Once you're sure you've cured all the rust give the underside a steam clean and a coat or two of a damned good underseal. There used to be a product called "carlife rubbercoat". Not seen it recently but it sticks like sh!t to a blanket and is rubbery so stones bounce off rather than chip.
I also have a pump up waxoyl spray doofer you're welcome to borrow.
Kevin
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mmm those holes are quite big, as for the m.o.t. I think if any corrosion within 300 mm of steering, suspension, shocks or seatbelt mountings would be a fail, however to plate those holes isn't a big job as there is plenty of access. If you go to the m.o.t.http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/ website & enter your mot test number it will show any advisories issued at the last test to see if those holes were an issue. ;)
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Looking at the pics, they don't look too bad. I was a steel fabricator/welder for thirteen & half years, so IMHO you should be ok, but it's when you start cutting out & removing under seal is when you find the hole just gets bigger & bigger.
Have fun ;D ;D ;D
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i would replace the whole inner wing james as the meatal is so thin would be a nitemare to weld !! :y
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Have welder but no clue how to use it properly. Keep meaning to go on an evening course. :-/
I was talking to Mrs. KW's uncle last weekend. He's trying to save a disco at the moment (well, wondering whether to get it road legal or off-road it until it falls to bits.).
He's had issues with the sills both sides, and the box sections on the rear of the body that sit on the chassis.
Once you're sure you've cured all the rust give the underside a steam clean and a coat or two of a damned good underseal. There used to be a product called "carlife rubbercoat". Not seen it recently but it sticks like sh!t to a blanket and is rubbery so stones bounce off rather than chip.
I also have a pump up waxoyl spray doofer you're welcome to borrow.
Kevin
The thing with this one, is apart from these patches in the inner wing, I cannot find any other rust whatsoever!
Thankfully my sills and rear box section etc are all solid.
I really would like to debate whether or not this could be patched, and if it's an MOT failure :-/
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I think it may be an MOT faliure mate but i'm not sure, but you should be able to get it done fairly cheaply I would've thought.
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James,
Can you post yup some pics of the holes and the surrounding area?
If it is within a prescribes area of a structural point or pick up point for a suspension item the it would be a fail.
it's not terminal though, i would try and get the whole panel if poss and see if it could replaced that way
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Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick but am of the understanding that the RR/Disco/LR range have seperate chassis and not monocoque as per Omega and similar. That means that, apart from chassis mounting points, seatbelts, seats etc then the fail criteria are different?
Where are the MOT testers when you need them..... ;D
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Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick but am of the understanding that the RR/Disco/LR range have seperate chassis and not monocoque as per Omega and similar. That means that, apart from chassis mounting points, seatbelts, seats etc then the fail criteria are different?
Where are the MOT testers when you need them..... ;D
yes you are right only parts are mounting points !! forgot about that !! ysed to be an mot tester too !! :y
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ok lets sort this. they are a fail no doubt. you could claim all sorts of things about the construction type. but the tester will fail it and tell you if your not happy contact the ministery, then they will test it at another garage, DO U WANT THE MINISTERY ALL OVER IT ?, on top of that you need to repair it any way to make the car a good one. they can be weilded but its a bit thin, or replace the section, hope this helps . mr rad cap ex mot tester
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I have sent the pics to an MOT tester on the land rover forum. He states that because the body and chassis are seperate, and because the corrosion is a) not on a structural component and b) not within the prescribed area of any load bearing area, it will not be a failure.
I'm going to take it in and get my garage to have a look...
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ok lets sort this. they are a fail no doubt. you could claim all sorts of things about the construction type. but the tester will fail it and tell you if your not happy contact the ministery, then they will test it at another garage, DO U WANT THE MINISTERY ALL OVER IT ?, on top of that you need to repair it any way to make the car a good one. they can be weilded but its a bit thin, or replace the section, hope this helps . mr rad cap ex mot tester
Furthermore, I am not here to dispute whether it's a failure or not, I'm merely asking for opinions from anyone who is aware... especially current MOT testers.
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fix it any way , good luck.
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Without seeing exactlly where the holes are but from what you've said id say they are not a failier. As previously stated must be withing 300mm of steering, suspension, seatbelt, brake (ie pedal box master cyl mount ect) or body mounting to fail and if its not then it should pass.
lee
(current mot tester)
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as me and hotel21 also said ::) ::)
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as me and hotel21 also said ::) ::)
I know Iknow ;D
But he reposted with
Furthermore, I am not here to dispute whether it's a failure or not, I'm merely asking for opinions from anyone who is aware... especially current MOT testers.
So i thought id put my 2Ps worth in as well :y
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fair dos fella ! been a while since i was doing it !! but once hotel21 said that it all came back to me !! :y :y
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sell it and get a nissan. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hay we've all got to try and get our post counts up some how ;) ;)
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Its a grey area as many MOT testers will fail it due to not knowing the chassis make up of these motors.
Bottom line is though that it is part of crumple zone and hence part of the passenger area protection.
Easy enough to plate over though.