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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Richie London on 30 March 2008, 22:35:52
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
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no mate youre oppsed on that one !! ::) ::)
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
Not if it's a fair cop I'm afraid, take it on the chin :y
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
30 = 30 +/- 10%
Simple, how can they be discretionary about it? They may as well take the signs down.
It's unfortunate and I've had the same thing (37 for me) and I know I was in the wrong.
Got kids me see? :y
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
they do you at 34mph now bud !! 33mph and you get to go on awereness course that costs you £50 robbing idiots >:(
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
36 in a 30 and i was done, £60 and 3 points. That was in 2002, my licence is now clean.
Tbh it did make me more aware of my speed, and i do keep it down in towns now.
I was super unlucky though... mobile cam van >:(
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I found this on the net whist loking for the Peipoo website ........http://www.ukspeedcamerafine.com/?gclid=COfx_7fmtZICFQxTQgoduVtQRA
Don't believe the hype myself :-?
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i thought it was standard practice to allow 10% +2 before prosecution ? :-/
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
36 in a 30 and i was done, £60 and 3 points. That was in 2002, my licence is now clean.
Tbh it did make me more aware of my speed, and i do keep it down in towns now.
I was super unlucky though... mobile cam van >:(
Mobile cam van for me too funnily enough. It makes you more careful when you know that they've got those out there as well as the cameras you do know about doesn't it?
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its the point .tw,,,,syts
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Unfortunatly they have you..........no way out.
tinkers........35mph in a 30mph.............. >:(
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i didnt see any cameras anywhere so i sped up to stop this magpie landing on my boot, hence the 35 mph ::)
richie
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35 in a 30 seems a bit harsh tbh :(
they do you at 34mph now bud !! 33mph and you get to go on awereness course that costs you £50 robbing idiots >:(
Different forces different guidelines. I was invited on a speed awareness course after being clocked at 37 in a 30 last March. Cost £85
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i didnt see any cameras anywhere so i sped up to stop this magpie landing on my boot, hence the 35 mph ::)
richie
I'd take it to court. There's no way a judge could convict you with such mitigating circumstances! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i didnt see any cameras anywhere so i sped up to stop this magpie landing on my boot, hence the 35 mph ::)
richie
I'd take it to court. There's no way a judge could convict you with such mitigating circumstances! ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That is tight! They must have got to the end of the backlog and found yours waiting! :o
Some people say that their speedo's 'over-read' but upon checking through the 'flash-up' signs they seem to spark up at 31mph on my astra :-?
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I got spotted by a camera van last year doing 72 in a 50. Got away with it too. Having been done before I have read up on a few things. I turned my car around and parked 150 metres in front of the offending Talivan (They terrorise motorists) and got my phone out. I took video footage of me walking towards the van then took pictures of how it was parked. He was on a zigzag yellow school bay. When I was aked what I was doing I asked him about the absence of a speed camera warning sign which should be 100 yards in front of the camera (there was none, Also none for 25 miles on that stretch of road). He didn't know the answer. He also asked me why I was taking pictures of his van. I told him he was parked illegally and I'll delete my picture if he deleted his.
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nice one matey will remember that ;D ;D
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I got spotted by a camera van last year doing 72 in a 50............. He was on a zigzag yellow school bay.
50mph speed limit outside a school? :-?
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It was a saturday evening, I wondered about the 50 limit as well.
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Make sure it is YOUR car
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38 in a 30 zone which 15 years ago was national speed limit, then 4 years ago reduced to 40 then 2 years ago reduced to 30. All because it is road past posh peoples houses.
I was caught by a PC holding a gun and was invited into his van for a chat. He seemed very nervous to begin with as he was alone and I am 6' 4" and 17 stone.(I think he thought I could be trouble, but I am a gentle giant) But I new I was speeding and admitted it stright away and as I new the speed limit was offered the more expensive half day speed awarness course which I took, initially to avoid the points but later it has proved to me to work as I now don't speed in built up areas. I find the cruise control brilliant for not speeding.
In the end the PC and I where talking quite openly and I think he hated catching people with a speed gun, he would much rather have a "presence" on the street.
The PC was a nice chap and in the end I bare the Police no malice for catching me speeding, I was in the wrong. And I have learnt from it.
I do find the speed cameras to be the governments way of raising money and criminalising generally law abiding people while letting the real criminals loose to do what they like.
This is not the fault of the Police it is the fault of the government.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Mike
P.S. I am not connected in any way to the Police, and do not no a Police Officer in my work or social life, but sometimes wish I did.
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Sorry but I think its £60 and 3 points for you... >:(
Unfortunately the police are getting people for 'just over' the speed limit now. Also as someone else said perhaps they needed to get their numbers up and you were one of the highest of the 'just overs'.
Bad luck, just hope you get offered the course instead of the points!
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
Alas, although right on the limit of what they well issue one for, its still a fair cop, and hence you should just pay it imho.
Considering that your speedo will read slightly over as well, and presumably you knew the local speed limit, there is no excuse really.
I'd say that the majority of us break the speed limit occasionally, but we do it knowingly (if we didn't, we are poor drivers), and its a risk we take when we do it.
If there were easy get-outs, then speed limits would be pointless.
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
Maybe your Dad's a copper?! >:(
clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=550529&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)
Life is all about WHO you know!
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
Maybe your Dad's a copper?! >:(
clicky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=550529&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)
Life is all about WHO you know!
Andy B - you really want to pay less attention to the media, they are there to sensationalise everything.
I suspect proportionally that as many sons get off from such things whose dads ain't plod ;)
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Never admit to speeding never take the points never pay the fine. In your case picture would of been taken from back of your car, if you have no major scratches distinguishing marks or anything like that on your car then couple of things you have to do, change the colour of the nuts that hold your number plate on the car even buy another number plate from fancyplates.com in say honeycomb or 3d effect which is legal, more extreme you can even put a mark on your car a scratch on bumper nothing to drastic mind, but most of all get a couple of people to say they where with you at the time of the alleged offence and simply say your car must of been cloned. Sounds far fetched but trust me it works as the evidence is on your side. Dont give in i have 0 points on my licsence and drove a subaru for a couple of years so as you can imagine got pulled and stopped every other day!!!
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I suspect proportionally that as many sons get off from such things whose dads ain't plod ;)
What ever! ;)
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Additionally, Andy B, I work with an ex-plod, and he has been nicked for speeding when he was still in the force. This guy is always one full of conspiracy/corruption theories, but has always said that his old employer was pretty clean - obviously in all areas of life, you get a couple of individuals....
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i didnt see any cameras anywhere so i sped up to stop this magpie landing on my boot, hence the 35 mph ::)
richie
Mitigation - do not use the above excuse as mitigation!!!
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I got spotted by a camera van last year doing 72 in a 50. Got away with it too. Having been done before I have read up on a few things. I turned my car around and parked 150 metres in front of the offending Talivan (They terrorise motorists) and got my phone out. I took video footage of me walking towards the van then took pictures of how it was parked. He was on a zigzag yellow school bay. When I was aked what I was doing I asked him about the absence of a speed camera warning sign which should be 100 yards in front of the camera (there was none, Also none for 25 miles on that stretch of road). He didn't know the answer. He also asked me why I was taking pictures of his van. I told him he was parked illegally and I'll delete my picture if he deleted his.
Sorry fella! Have I read this correctly? If you were doing 72 past a school entrance you deserve to be banned, not just fined. So we all exceed limits marginally sometimes, but that's just irresponsible.
There is a very sound and genuine argument for cameras etc. if this sort of driving is commonplace.
No apologies for the rant!!!
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Sorry fella! Have I read this correctly? If you were doing 72 past a school entrance you deserve to be banned, not just fined. So we all exceed limits marginally sometimes, but that's just irresponsible.
There is a very sound and genuine argument for cameras etc. if this sort of driving is commonplace.
No apologies for the rant!!!
First things first. The road in question is a duel carrageway just outside preston (Which I know I was wrong in assuming it was a national speed limit road as it is 100 yards further up).
Second, As I said it was a Saturday evening so no risk of kids coming out.
I know speeding is "Wrong" But speed limit signs (50MPH) on that stretch of road (At the time of the incident) were obscured by a tree. A few weeks after All the road signs were changed to bigger ones and more were placed along the road. There is also a large speed camera warning sign has been placed at the start of the duel carrageway. I don't think I was the only one assuming a 70 MPH limit on that stretch.
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.... the start of the duel carrageway. I don't think I was the only one assuming a 70 MPH limit on that stretch.
The Elland by pass is another example of a now 50 mph limit dual carrage way .... complete with THREE cameras. :o :o :o
Funny how dual carrage ways are having their limit reduced at the same time as cameras are fitted. My town's dual carrage way by-pass used to be 40 then coincidently as it was reduced to 30mph a camera was also fitted.
I don't go through Prston very often but it does appear that they're trying to use up the world's supply of yellow reflective sheet for all their cameras! ;) They're on every corners.
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They do now. But on the A59 towards Southport there is only one and thats at the start of the suel carrageway
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just read the letter from police
requests for the oppurtunity to attend a speed awareness course as an alternative to a fixed penalty:
speed awreness courses are only offered to drivers who meet strict criteria. please do not phone, write to us asking to go on a course-if you are eligeble for a course one will be offered to you
well one hopes for a course then
richie
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Never admit to speeding never take the points never pay the fine. In your case picture would of been taken from back of your car, if you have no major scratches distinguishing marks or anything like that on your car then couple of things you have to do, change the colour of the nuts that hold your number plate on the car even buy another number plate from fancyplates.com in say honeycomb or 3d effect which is legal, more extreme you can even put a mark on your car a scratch on bumper nothing to drastic mind, but most of all get a couple of people to say they where with you at the time of the alleged offence and simply say your car must of been cloned. Sounds far fetched but trust me it works as the evidence is on your side. Dont give in i have 0 points on my licsence and drove a subaru for a couple of years so as you can imagine got pulled and stopped every other day!!!
Thats all very well but if you and your mates get caught telling fibs to the court then you commit perjury which can and does end with you in prision, :-/ but you would save £60 ::)
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I AM SORRY FELLAS.................
BUT i dont condone speeding... >:( >:(.ok i understand everyone makes mistakes and once i can understand.
hopefully some of you will understand where i am commin from.
30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!
and prestigesec you are playin with fire!!! rether then trying to hide your mistake why not just drive SLOWER and SAFER!
i have seen meny acceidents with loss of life cos people cant control there speed. The worset one was a mother and baby in a push chair crushed against a brick wall cos the driver took the round about to fast and lost control! the baby died instantly and the mother hours later.
Just the thought of what the dad must be going through makes me think about my speed. loosin 2 of the most precous things in his life cos some bloke couldnt control his speed!
Thats my opinion and if you dont like it tough!
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Your opinion is fair Marie and in built up areas you should drive to the limit but we all know that the majority of speed cameras that are around are there not to save lives but there to make money, where i live there are a lot of schools and geuss what isnt anywhere near them? Yes you got it in one no cameras yet a couple of miles down the road on a dual carraigeway where pedestrians are not allowed to walk and there are no houses near by they drop the speed limit from 60 to 40 then to 30 all in the space of a few hundred yards and guess what is waiting for you when it hits 30?
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I've never understood why there isn't a speed camera outside every school.
On my commute to work there is a school on a 40mph limit and frequent bunches of flowers by the road. No 30MPH limit, no traffic calming, no camera.
1/4 of a mile up the road is a dead straight, flat, rather upmarket road that has become a main route into the town where there are very few pedestrians and kind, but where it is rumoured that a few influential people live. It's had a 30MPH limit slapped on it, they tried speed humps, then ripped them up and put in traffic calming, then ripped that up and put flashing signs up. Only accidents I ever heard of there were due to the traffic calming forcing traffic to the other side of the road. >:(
Kevin
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As someone who lost a brother to a lunatic who was speeding I have been watching this thread with interest. Dont worry I am not going to give you all a sob story about how speeding is wrong, yours turely got upto 130 on the autobahn 2 weeks ago.
The whole point is about the three factors which affect driving: the car, driver and conditions. Without sounding patronising everyone almost always over estimates their own abilities in driving, hence how people are caught out and spin off the road. The quality of the car plays alot, a brand new bmw will stop on a 10p coin at 30 while a 30 year old metro needs 3 anchors and a parachute to even slow down. And the road well, I could go on for days on all the different factors here, as I am sure the advanced motorists here will agree, but safe to say that 'everyone else is speeding so will I' is probably why there are so many accidents in built up areas and so few kids playing outside these days.
Only good training on driving techniques and skid plans can fully prepare you for the roads today. Only a fool will think he no longer has anything to learn about driving. I am of the opinion that our driving test teaches you how to read road signs and control a car. Once you pass then you learn how to drive.
I personally NEVER go above the limit in residential areas unless by accident in which case I slow down PDQ. If I go above the limit on open clear roads and motorways and I get caught then its a fair cop. (yes I have got 3 points for 62 in a temp 50 on the motorway)
And for those of you that know cheshire and the infamous A453 through Burland now know who I am :y
Besides most of you have heard me on the radio too.... ::) ::)
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Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....
Apart from the radio bit? Whats that about?? :o
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Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....
Apart from the radio bit? Whats that about?? :o
If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.
Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM
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Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....
Apart from the radio bit? Whats that about?? :o
If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.
Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM
:-X :'(
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There is a time and a place for everything just use common sense if your driving in a built up area slow down the last thing you want is a child on your dash board, also if your on a motorway at 3am and there is no one else on it i havnt a problem with anyone driving as fast as they want as your only gonna kill yourself if you get wrong, the chance you take. Me personally, i like to get my demons out of me racing round Oulton park makes you drive like a nun on the road after you been round. Sayin that if the motorway is quiet how many can honestly say they dont just give it a little more than normal
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30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!
How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....
I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph :-? Make sense?
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Never admit to speeding never take the points never pay the fine. In your case picture would of been taken from back of your car, if you have no major scratches distinguishing marks or anything like that on your car then couple of things you have to do, change the colour of the nuts that hold your number plate on the car even buy another number plate from fancyplates.com in say honeycomb or 3d effect which is legal, more extreme you can even put a mark on your car a scratch on bumper nothing to drastic mind, but most of all get a couple of people to say they where with you at the time of the alleged offence and simply say your car must of been cloned. Sounds far fetched but trust me it works as the evidence is on your side. Dont give in i have 0 points on my licsence and drove a subaru for a couple of years so as you can imagine got pulled and stopped every other day!!!
Perverting the course of justice! 28 days in prison for first offence!
Ignore this tripe
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There is a time and a place for everything just use common sense if your driving in a built up area slow down the last thing you want is a child on your dash board, also if your on a motorway at 3am and there is no one else on it i havnt a problem with anyone driving as fast as they want as your only gonna kill yourself if you get wrong, the chance you take. Me personally, i like to get my demons out of me racing round Oulton park makes you drive like a nun on the road after you been round. Sayin that if the motorway is quiet how many can honestly say they dont just give it a little more than normal
This is tripe too! Which member of your family do you want me to wake up at 4am and tell that you're dead?
Motorway crossovers come to mind - perhaps into the path of a family on the way to the airport. All because you 'fancied a bit of right foot.'
I'm one of the people who has to clear up your selfish mess. I'm one of the people who has to hear your pathetic whinges, excuses or pleads for lenency when you're babbling in the back of my car.
You need to attend a speed awareness course URGENTLY. Contact me, I'll even pay the £78 course fee out of my pocket!!!
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i do 30 in 30 zone
35 in 40 zone (left lane)
20 in 20 zone
nt b'use of low . (logic)
and i always see the other driver hate me
and get so angry ...
my dad tech me to drive at age 12 and let me drive
but he teached me to never go over speed limit.
we go to race track to drive fast b'use we love speed so much
in race track not in town.
i dont feel safe on the road.
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I am proud of my safe and 'clean' driving history and intend to keep it that way!
I learned advanced Roadcraft with the IAM and use and practice those skills every time I drive the car....but I never lose sight of the extant-danger (to myself and others) that driving on our roads poses.
I drive defensively and will happily drive well-under the posted speed limit when road/weather conditions dictate.
Speed, inexperience and bravado are a heady mix......but it shouldn`t have to take an accident to occur before habitual reckless-drivers/speeders come to their senses.
Surely, non of us wish to be responsible for the suffering or death of another just for a cheap speed-thrill :'(
Nuff said.... :y
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i firmly believe that educating people to be good drivers is the real answer.the current tactic of x-mph=safe/responsible (regardless of prevailing conditions) but x +1 =wrong/irresponsible/murderous wont work.people dont like being nannied and patronised but most people like to be educated and taught in an adult environment.
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30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!
How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....
I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph :-? Make sense?
Emphatically NOPE!!!
You're assuming that a child will be taller than the parked cars on the side of the road and won't run out in front of you
NEVER, EVER rely on the sense of those around you.
I rode a bike for a number of years; there is no way better to learn this extremely valuable lesson.
Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....
Apart from the radio bit? Whats that about?? :o
If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.
Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM
:-X :'(
That voiceover is John Hannah from 4 Weddings isn't it?
Great voice
Oh and prestigesec, I really can't describe how I want to respond to your posts, much of it has been said far better (and more controlled) than I could say.
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While we're talking about not exeeding the limit, why don't people actually travel at something like the limit when it's perfectly legal & safe to do so? I travel to work on a B road that changes from 30 to 60 then 40 then back to 30. The number of people that just bimble along at 35 regardless of what the limit is really p's me off. In my diseasal Astra I can't just pass like I can in the Omega.
These are the people who are often sat at the front of a very long queue of cars on fast A. It just frustrates people behind who will then make some dodge overtake to get passed them - or even go a little faster than the imposed limit.
Speed doen't always kill ...... clicky (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBOyrgc7y0) ;D
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30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!
How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....
I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph :-? Make sense?
Emphatically NOPE!!!
You're assuming that a child will be taller than the parked cars on the side of the road and won't run out in front of you
NEVER, EVER rely on the sense of those around you.
I rode a bike for a number of years; there is no way better to learn this extremely valuable lesson.
Have been refraining from commenting but, Gaffers speaks sense....
Apart from the radio bit? Whats that about?? :o
If you remember the first kill your speed campain, I did one of radio commercials.
Have a look here for a flash back Gaffers junior is in the bowtie at the begining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnjeVHYQBM
:-X :'(
That voiceover is John Hannah from 4 Weddings isn't it?
Great voice
Oh and prestigesec, I really can't describe how I want to respond to your posts, much of it has been said far better (and more controlled) than I could say.
He did nail it in that reading in the film I must admit.
Personally I havent seen that advert for a long time because my mum has the only copy on VHS :( quite rightly she guards over it like a hawk
Does anyone have or know of anyway of converting it to DVD so that I can keep a more secure copy. The VHS and the youtube posting are the only ones I know of.
And prestigsec I can kind of see where you are coming from, maybe you havent expressed yourself as you may have wished. You do seem to make a lot of assumptions about one specific driving situation. But lets not forget you never know what is coming and those like debs who do some advanced driving lessons realise that regardless of your level you are always learning. My bro was killed when he was cycyling his bike through the village, perfect driving conditions which enticed a youth to race his mate to a party. Estimates are that he was doing 80mph in a village where the limit was 60 (later reduced to 30 through some heavy campaigning) As he was racing and thus preventing his mate from overtaking he wasnt paying attention to the road infront. There were no parked cars and nothing to obstruct his view.
I cycled for 5 years in Sheffield often in the 20-30 mph bracket where motorists do not take notice of you at all. When cycling downhill you have to operate VERY defensively in that situation, add poor weather to the equation and its a nightmare. I had a eureka moment one day after a trundle downhill in the rain when 2 cars pulled out in front of me in different places one did the right thing when he eventually saw me and proceeded to GLF to get out of the way the second decided to stop in the middle of the road! Needless to say I was airborn for a short while and despite beat plods being nearby they didnt see or decide to do anything (my confidence in the police was already shattered years before after a different cycling incident)
I fitted an airhorn to my bike where the gas conister was on the tribar/handlebar area and the horn, connected through some aquarium pipe, was siuated under the saddle. It worked a treat and I had virtually no problems after that. If I couldent be seen then I was going to be heard. I also continued onto work in Paris where I used to cycle frequently around the Etoile/Arc de Triomphe which is scary enough in a car yet the airhorn made a massive difference.
Sadly the bike was stolen along with my prototype and I havent got around to recreating it yet...
I think the morality is that everyone has a duty to drive smarter. Yes speed is a factor but more in a sense of your ability to see and react to what is around you rather than what your collision speed might be. Speed is not the only element of your driving that needs constant vigilance and attention. I dont have a beef with people who speed, just those who are irresponsible in their application of speed according to the conditions and surroundings. Dont forget you can drive slowly and be dangerous too.
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There is a time and a place for everything just use common sense if your driving in a built up area slow down the last thing you want is a child on your dash board, also if your on a motorway at 3am and there is no one else on it i havnt a problem with anyone driving as fast as they want as your only gonna kill yourself if you get wrong, the chance you take. Me personally, i like to get my demons out of me racing round Oulton park makes you drive like a nun on the road after you been round. Sayin that if the motorway is quiet how many can honestly say they dont just give it a little more than normal
This is tripe too! Which member of your family do you want me to wake up at 4am and tell that you're dead?
Motorway crossovers come to mind - perhaps into the path of a family on the way to the airport. All because you 'fancied a bit of right foot.'
I'm one of the people who has to clear up your selfish mess. I'm one of the people who has to hear your pathetic whinges, excuses or pleads for lenency when you're babbling in the back of my car.
You need to attend a speed awareness course URGENTLY. Contact me, I'll even pay the £78 course fee out of my pocket!!!
For a start i have never and will never sit in the back of a police car so dont assume that i have, second of all if you are a police officer your observation skills are not very good but then again half of the force out there only see what they want to see anyway dont they!!! If you had read the quote correctly you would see that i said i take my demons out at oulton park race way!!! This is just another clear example of the 2 types of police officers we are paying for out of our wages every week you see what you want and thats it no ifs no buts your the law end of story, and then the other officer the one who lives in the real world a credit to our society the power hasnt gone to there head!!!!
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I sense a MOD coming this way :-?
Can we tone it down a touch? This is supposed to be a friendly place.
(or at least I hope so before this gets out of hand) :o
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is there any excuse i can use to get out of paying a speeding fine??? 35 in 30 limit area. have to fill form in tomorrow.
richie
To answer the original query of this thread, its up to you if/what excuse you want to use.
As to the rest of the thread and the assorted comments being passed back and forth, please refrain from mud pie throwing. We all know there are good and bad in all walks of life and, more importantly perhaps, that people are killed and seriously injured on our roads day and daily.
And yes, speed does play a part in that so lets discuss it in a sensible fashion as mature adults without generalisations or assumptions or quantum leaps in theory that conveniently miss out fact..... :y
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Exceeding the posted limit as such AFAIC is not a problem. The problem is driver attitude.
I do not trust one bit the drivers driving dead at 30 in a 30 as what are they doing, nor someone doing 25 in an open or artificial 30.
The first type are normally speedo watching and do not notice what is happening on the road. The second type have no confidence and may panic.
Now someone who varies their speed between 15 and say 35 is actually looking at the road, driving at 30 dead and concentrating on that means you may not notice the hypothetical child running out. Whereas if you drive according to conditions you are probably ready to stop, even though when it was a bit clearer you were going faster.
As to noise, I think there is less noise at 40 than 30 as it gets past quicker and is slow enough for wind noise not to be a problem.
In the wrong circumstances low speed limits increase speed.
An example is the blanket 40mph limit around the River Helford in Cornwall. prior to the limit people drove at their limit of observation and conditions, now they will try to do 40 all the time. The locals have noticed this, the speeds have gone up down the lanes and slowed on the open clear roads.
Artificial limits are bad too - a local road was raised to 40 from 30 and flow improved, speeding convictions disappeared, and average speed dropped to 40 from mid 40s!!!! Give a sensible limit and people follow it.
I will state that if I am overtaking speed limits are ignored during the overtake, and on open roads I drive within my limits, the cars limits, the visibilty limit and the roads natural limit. I hope that people do understand what this means, and that the last thing it means is flat out everywhere or driving at a constant 45mph.
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well said :y
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I will state that if I am overtaking speed limits are ignored during the overtake, and on open roads I drive within my limits, the cars limits, the visibilty limit and the roads natural limit. I hope that people do understand what this means, and that the last thing it means is flat out everywhere or driving at a constant 45mph.
Gatsos & cameras stuck out the back of a van (or bounced off rear view mirrors) don't take account of common sense.
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I will state that if I am overtaking speed limits are ignored during the overtake, and on open roads I drive within my limits, the cars limits, the visibilty limit and the roads natural limit. I hope that people do understand what this means, and that the last thing it means is flat out everywhere or driving at a constant 45mph.
Gatsos & cameras stuck out the back of a van (or bounced off rear view mirrors) don't take account of common sense.
Whereas Policemen do - I have been told they will NEVER do you for speeding while you overtake provided you slow back afterwards, and I have heard of Policemen who have never booked anyone for speeding on a white circle black stripe road, but have done careless drivers ect.
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30mph zones are that for a reason. cos if some child was to walk or run out infront of you they are more likely to survive with a few broken bones then if you are doing 35 where you could kill them. cars are dangerous!
How many times have we all seen that advert and the only thing I keep thinking is if somebody were to hit a pedestrian at 30-40mph, they would have to be driving like a complete loon with their eyes shut....
I'd hope that even with the most basic driver training, motorist are taught to look and scan the road repeatedly and react accordingly to hazards... Therefore BRAKING down from 30mph. To plough straight into somebody at 30-40mph, that 'somebody' deserves to lose their licence. If the unfortunate did happen, in most circumstances i'd be surprised if the closing speed was more than 20mph :-? Make sense?
Emphatically NOPE!!!
You're assuming that a child will be taller than the parked cars on the side of the road and won't run out in front of you
NEVER, EVER rely on the sense of those around you.
I rode a bike for a number of years; there is no way better to learn this extremely valuable lesson.
Sorry, thought it was reasonably clear, the point I was trying to make was similar to Mart's below. You are implying that by observing the 30mph limit you should be travelling at 30mph, this is WRONG! Your speed should be varied to deal with hazards and road conditions etc.
Following the example above, I observe parked cars, making sure to scan around, underneath and inside and slow down from 30mph accordingly and NOT just plough on at the stated speed limit regardless like that advert seems to imply! I thought this was common sense.
....and bikers never break the speed limit do they ::)
Now someone who varies their speed between 15 and say 35 is actually looking at the road, driving at 30 dead and concentrating on that means you may not notice the hypothetical child running out. Whereas if you drive according to conditions you are probably ready to stop, even though when it was a bit clearer you were going faster.
Spot on.
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mr Martin Imber
i drive 30 with out looking at my speedo
i feel my car i talk to my car i can tell what speed im driving
with out looking at speedo for 10 min like stupid cow
i think if u cant read the speedo in 1 secend
please please dont drive
i m not perfect driver im still learning
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Just one thing to say:- Mark Milton, West Merc Police Force= 159MPH.
35 in a 30 & you get nicked, that SUX