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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 02 April 2012, 13:26:05
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Ive never believed in it,but reading a story like this makes me have second thoughts. We really need to do something.Do "men" who do things like this deserve to live ? >:( >:(
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/02/mary-coulter-attacked-glasgow-information-appeal_n_1395968.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D102845
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dont know how to explain.. but a whole life sentence in prison , is the most scary imo.. because you die everyday..
and besides if you make a mistake , there is no chance to correct.. I am always against it as a son of 2 lawyers..
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I dont think it should be, its not a deterant. but life in prison should mean life, and it should be tougher in there doin unpaid work.
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A slow painful death when/if they catch them >:(
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I suspect strongly that there is more to that story than contained in the report.
but a whole life sentence in prison , is the most scary imo. maybe in a Turkish prison but our British prisons are quite nice. Mobile phones, TV, Internet, drugs, alcohol and entertainment. A better sentence might be whole of life in an old persons home.
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In the case of pre meditated murder of adults and children, a big yes from me :y
To that, you can add anybody who physically assaults a child in a sexual way >:(
As for the scum who did this, stick them a locked room with a few oofers and I believe they wouldn't do it again >:( >:(
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Stoning to death would be a good idea and save on tax payers hard earned cash
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I suspect strongly that there is more to that story than contained in the report.
but a whole life sentence in prison , is the most scary imo. maybe in a Turkish prison but our British prisons are quite nice. Mobile phones, TV, Internet, drugs, alcohol and entertainment. A better sentence might be whole of life in an old persons home.
??? :o nothing more ? I think you forgot the belly dancers ;D is that a prison ? ;D
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As for the scum who did this, stick them a locked room with a few oofers and I believe they wouldn't do it again >:( >:(
Stoning to death would be a good idea and save on tax payers hard earned cash
if OOFERS are permitted to re-design the laws, I'm afraid the criminals would pray for the scheria law ;D
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Hang the bastards :y :y
Prison is no deterent it's a life of bloody luxury. Now 30 years hard time will do at a pinch, No TV, No Games, No Drugs, No Phones and No COMPLAINTS or Solitary for a year!!!. They should be made to work for their food. :y :y :y
The problem with todays prison regime is that it is no punishment or deterent, they have it far too easy for such a short time and come out telling their mates how easy it was. Sentencing should deter, if it did then the nicks wouldn't be full. :y
We could always shoot 'em in front of their families ;D ;D
Death penalty for :- Murder, Rape, Terrorists, Paedophiles,Muggers, Burglars, Illegal Immigrants and any tinker who scratches my car ;D ;D ;D
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and any tinker who scratches my car :y :y :y
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:y :y YES 100%
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I say the death penalty is far too easy an option.
Let them rot in a prison cell. No doubt certain other inmates will remind them on a daily basis of the true horror of their crimes.
A life sentence needs to mean life once more, however, you need to serve the time you're dealt, not a day less, and we need to throw out the bleeding heart BS about prison being for rehabilitation. It's for punishment. >:(
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put them in a prison cell,with a bowl to shit and piss in that they have to empty and clean themselfs,give them a small quota of water and food and a concrete floor with straw for bedding,and if they get cold give them a match and set the straw on fire while they sleep on it :y
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What about their human rights? They are not allowed to be treated like that JUST because they commited a crime. What about the HUMAN rights of the person they commited the crime against. Nothing in our screwed up law even thinks about them. The worst thing this country ever did was to sign up for the human rights act, most criminals/illegals use it against us for their own benifit. I worked in Chelmsford prison a few years back. We had to install the TV and FM aerial points into every cell. Prison is no punishment nowdays, far to soft. Keith B
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Give them a whole life sentence with hard labour. :y
The hard labour, to earn their food and water, is to build a sandbag wall around the exercise yard. You take a sandbag from one end, run and place it at the other end of the wall, you keep doing that over and over again, so the sandbag wall moves around the courtyard. From dawn until dusk everyday, so you know what you will be doing everyday for the whole of your sentence. :y
Apparently this was used in military prisons ("Glasshouses") during WWII and was apparently so soul destroying, it brought the most stubborn offender into line with military discipline. :y
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didnt bother them when there was no human rights in the past,you did wrong and got what you deserved,bring it all back,public flogging,hanging,and the guillotine.....
and why should they have human rights when they do a crime,mug a pensioner,kill some1,attack people for defending there property,get rid of this nanny nation and human rights,then we can all life a peaceful life with having some scum think they are better than any1 else....
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completly agree, if you do the crime, your human rights should be taken away and then they should be delt with properly with hard labour and long sentences.
By killing, mugging, raping, beating another person surely thats against their human rights? I just dont see why they should just be killed thats too easy an option imo. they should do lame jobs earning their keep and providing something to the society they chose to go against.
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They have no human rights if they have commited a crime, espesuly against humanity. Back in ,99 it cost £26k a year to keep a prisoner inside. Dont want to think what it is nowdays. keith b
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yes i agree with that bring back hanging >:( >:( >:( >:(
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maybe we could have a poll on this ;D
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Why not. ;)
Poll added.
An old workmate of mine was sentenced to 6 years (iirc) for a very nasty case of GBH.He did around three and a half years and was then realeased on licence.He told me that life inside was very cushy indeed.The only downside was the boredom and time going slowly,but there was no sense whatsoever of a regime of punishment or rehabilitation. Just putting in the days an months until it was time to get out.
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Life should mean life and the prison should be run like a military prison see how many would go back for seconds after a taste of that :y
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we need to make them suffer like there victims have but more then hang them
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well president Albs youve drawn me in again.
prison from my understanding is soft option with the only punishement being dealt out by the inmates themselves
definatley a lot more than meet the eye of this story they certainley were not out to rob her but make her suffer.must be very hard criminals to batter an old lady :( :(
look at so many other countries system and it cries out we dont suffer fools and you break the law you will certainley be punished with the interest it deserves. and lets be honest the police must be just as fustrated at times like the general public at the lack of punishment law breakers recieive in this country
do not think hanging/ death penalty is the answer except in undenying circumstances and seriously repulsive crimes and killing some one that upholds the law no excuses there
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Only kill people who are 100% guilty where the evidence is 100% as there are so many people doing time for crimes they didnt commit. You have to be careful but hay Ian Huntly is one man i can think of who should be killed and should be killed the same way he murdered those pore children. Im sure that should be a C where the H is in Huntly.
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although not complete one initial precaution to prevent crime is to educate the persons by all means .. emotional/physical/mental and also in many other areas.. not only by family also by community..
now , one important fact is that increased punishment models dont bring the desired results.. for example in arabia when you kill someone, you will be sentenced to death by sword.. and also drug sellers.. but still people do it.. and executed.. so no gain.. may be a little relief in communities conscience..
todays laws in modern democracies are not decided suddenly.. they are filtered through many hundred years of experience and still not successful.. and simply deciding to bring back death penalty wont change anything.. because psychopaths still will be there..
some may not agree but real solution is to control the families and give permission to make babies only if they are adequate by all means.. (please dont think only economical conditions..its just a single parameter between many) .. you may think that this is some kind of fascism but if you want to control your future generations , you have to.. you cant let them grow up randomly in a random environment ..
now while we are talking about this subject, do you think tv films and serials showing murder and all sorts of violence every minute in all channels are normal ? and dont effect community by any means ?
and finally , as a proven fact, dont let poor people starving..
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Hang the bastards :y :y
Prison is no deterent it's a life of bloody luxury. Now 30 years hard time will do at a pinch, No TV, No Games, No Drugs, No Phones and No COMPLAINTS or Solitary for a year!!!. They should be made to work for their food. :y :y :y
The problem with todays prison regime is that it is no punishment or deterent, they have it far too easy for such a short time and come out telling their mates how easy it was. Sentencing should deter, if it did then the nicks wouldn't be full. :y
We could always shoot 'em in front of their families ;D ;D
Death penalty for :- Murder, Rape, Terrorists, Paedophiles,Muggers, Burglars, Illegal Immigrants and any tinker who scratches my car ;D ;D ;D
I could highlight all of it fella. :y Bottom line...Life = Life...not time off for good behavour!! Introduce the chain gang or as Ive said many a time "pack em off to Iraq as mine sweepers, 6 per patrol, you lose one from an IED then replace from the rear" . See how rather brave they are then >:(
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Albs, I'd like to propose an alternative in the Poll of yours.
"Battle Royale" :y
(For those whom don't know what I mean, Japanese film - do a search for it peeps ::))
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Good film. The sequel, not so much.
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I'd establish a penal colony on South Georgia and crimes such as murder, rape, pedophilia etc would attract a one way ticket!! :)
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I'd establish a penal colony on South Georgia and crimes such as murder, rape, pedophilia etc would attract a one way ticket!! :)
That wouldn't be fair on the Falkland Islanders, as they already have a bunch of land stealers one side, with a barking mad woman as president. ::) ::) ::)
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I don't think the Falklanders would mind as South Georgia is 800 miles away and it would present business opportunities! :y Also the convicts could be used to clear mines on The Falklands...... BANG! Ooops he's found one!!! :) It'd make the penguins happy, as there would be plenty of meat lying around... ;)
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I see the poll has thrown up one Bleeding Heart LIBERAL ;D ;D ;D
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Very emotive subject and one hard to be truly objective about so just a few personal thoughts:
1) disciplinary actions should be corrective not punitive
2)whilst I may subscribe to the above and believe that most people should be able to be "turned around" to lead better/usefull lives despite the crimes they have committed there are blatantly instances where I would quite happily see them dead for such crimes (eg if perpetrated against my own nearest and dearest) and do the killing myself with no remorse. This is an instinctive survival thing rather than an objective intellectual view but is nontheless surely just as valid. Turn it around though and imagine that your son/daughter had inexplicably committed some heinous crime. What would your reactions be? Anger?Grief?Needing to understand "why"?Still believing that whilst deserving of punishment they should have a chance to continue living and to ultimately be able to live a better life?
3)there are perhaps many factors that may influence an individual to commit various actions including upbringing and conditioning /genetics /mental health issues. All these are factors in that individual's ability to tell the difference between "right" and "wrong" and their ability to act accordingly. At what point do we disregard these factors in judging them?
4)Despite recognizing the above I personnaly believe a few people are genuinely "evil" and cannot be rehabilitated and for serious crimes I ask why spend the time and money keeping them alive for no other reason than that if they are deemed a continuing threat to society?
5)Genetic testing/DNA/forensics. Just how reliable are they? Once they are dead you can't bring them back if there's been a mistake. Is beyond "reasonable" doubt enough?
Just some thoughts...
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Very emotive subject and one hard to be truly objective about so just a few personal thoughts:
1) disciplinary actions should be corrective not punitive
2)whilst I may subscribe to the above and believe that most people should be able to be "turned around" to lead better/usefull lives despite the crimes they have committed there are blatantly instances where I would quite happily see them dead for such crimes (eg if perpetrated against my own nearest and dearest) and do the killing myself with no remorse. This is an instinctive survival thing rather than an objective intellectual view but is nontheless surely just as valid. Turn it around though and imagine that your son/daughter had inexplicably committed some heinous crime. What would your reactions be? Anger?Grief?Needing to understand "why"?Still believing that whilst deserving of punishment they should have a chance to continue living and to ultimately be able to live a better life?
3)there are perhaps many factors that may influence an individual to commit various actions including upbringing and conditioning /genetics /mental health issues. All these are factors in that individual's ability to tell the difference between "right" and "wrong" and their ability to act accordingly. At what point do we disregard these factors in judging them?
4)Despite recognizing the above I personnaly believe a few people are genuinely "evil" and cannot be rehabilitated and for serious crimes I ask why spend the time and money keeping them alive for no other reason than that if they are deemed a continuing threat to society?
5)Genetic testing/DNA/forensics. Just how reliable are they? Once they are dead you can't bring them back if there's been a mistake. Is beyond "reasonable" doubt enough?
Just some thoughts...
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