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Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today
According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.
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According to him........... He's good for Britain ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today
According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.
Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.
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Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today
According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.
Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.
i was thinking of moving to Bosnia and becoming a citizen then coming over here in my Mig as an immigrant, can i have a car, house, loan, job, credit card, when i claim assylum
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Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today
According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.
Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.
if they had said this 10 years ago it would have been useful >:(
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i was in screwfix today and there were 6 foreigners buying decorating tools, overalls scrapers the lot. more british jobs gone
>:( >:( >:(
richie
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Two letters; E and U
Interestingly enough if you go to Ireland, Spain, Lithuania or Poland they are now littered with big blue signs with a ring of gold stars where our money is funding major developments.
Check out the figures on the net about what each member state puts in and takes out of the EU pot.
It's a big exercise to bring us all to the same level, some will have to come up, guess where the rest of us (the net contributers) are going to meet them in the middle.
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you mean the republic of ireland i presume?
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i have been self employed for 25 yrs now. about 5 yrs ago my boss who i had worked for roughly 4 yrs took on 2 shopfitting joiners for 6.50 an hr, the shop we refurbished took about 2 months. after that he had no work lined up for a few weeks so i was told. he kept them on at the next contract so he got 2 bolkes for the price of one. this has happened a few times. ive struggled for about 3 yrs now to fiind work so i basically do about 8 months a yr now.
i know people all over the country in the same position as me
what can i say about the labour goverment?
richie
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the only people who i can think of who gain anything from this recent wave of mass immigration are employers who want cheap labour,but what will happen if we now head into a full blown recession and millions of people end up unemployed ? it could create a lot of bad feeling or worse.
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the only people who i can think of who gain anything from this recent wave of mass immigration are employers who want cheap labour,but what will happen if we now head into a full blown recession and millions of people end up unemployed ? it could create a lot of bad feeling or worse.
I HAD nothing against immigration and foreign workers and indeed have a few friends that are such people, but when your wife breaks off with one such person your views change somewhat >:(
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
Or will take the lowest rate, i have experience of this happening.
And dont get your coat.....i am coming around with a length of rope.......do you have a tree in your garden ;D ;D
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
No need to get your coat in my opinion, I think that what you say is, in part, true, but is still a generalisation. We all could cite examples to undermine your argument.
I refer back to my earlier statement:
"It's a big exercise to bring us all to the same level, some will have to come up, guess where the rest of us (the net contributers) are going to meet them in the middle."
We are just feeling the pinch of the market forces and this effect above. This will ultimately have to happen on a Global scale too.
Let's reflect on the fact that something like 90% of the world's wealth lies in the hands of a ridiculously small proportion of the population. I'll be bold and make an assumption here that, as Miggy drivers, not many of us fall into the category of "Super-Rich" and therefore feel that this is not fair and the wealth should be more evenly distributed.
We are part of the masses that what is left is going to be more evenly shared amongst.
Just another thought, and here I know I'll get shot down: Perhaps one of the reasons that the UK had a head start on most of the rest of the world was our hand in the Slave Trade which then also led on to Colonialism.
And yes, I did mean the Republic of Ireland.
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From some figures I saw today, don't ask, I would be better off as an asylum seeker. :(
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dont believe in redistribution of wealth personally,just dont want the little that i do manage to earn to stay in my pocket rather than being taken by the chancellor,especially when so much of it seems to get wasted.
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
I agree with alot of what you have said to be fair, plus I am sure I wont be the only one....
I dont want to get in a debate as I really dont know enough about the politics.
Like them or not (which I certainly do not) they look after there own, how many Old Pakistanis do you see in an old folks home?
A local nightclub shut down as it was over run with these Immirgrants trying to get off with British women >:(
A guy i know got made redundant from Royal Doultons and had to sell his BMW. Two Immirgrants came with a £3000 cheque from the Goverment to buy his car. He told them to come back tomorrow after he had checked out if the cheque was legit......It was..... he was gutted that he had worked since school and had to sell his car only for some guy from another country to be given a cheque because it would be cheaper to do this instaed of paying taxi or bus fares :(
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immagration isnt just about financial issues,or practical issues such as overstretched schools/hospitals/roads etc,there is also the issue of the culture and normally accepted way of life being changed.
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
Or will take the lowest rate, i have experience of this happening.
And dont get your coat.....i am coming around with a length of rope.......do you have a tree in your garden ;D ;D
i used to but two nice foreign men came and chopped it down :y
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
I agree with alot of what you have said to be fair, plus I am sure I wont be the only one....
I dont want to get in a debate as I really dont know enough about the politics.
Like them or not (which I certainly do not) they look after there own, how many Old Pakistanis do you see in an old folks home?
A local nightclub shut down as it was over run with these Immirgrants trying to get off with British women >:(
A guy i know got made redundant from Royal Doultons and had to sell his BMW. Two Immirgrants came with a £3000 cheque from the Goverment to buy his car. He told them to come back tomorrow after he had checked out if the cheque was legit......It was..... he was gutted that he had worked since school and had to sell his car only for some guy from another country to be given a cheque because it would be cheaper to do this instaed of paying taxi or bus fares :(
Behond rather words >:( >:(
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jayw ;D ;D ;D ;D
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immagration isnt just about financial issues,or practical issues such as overstretched schools/hospitals/roads etc,there is also the issue of the culture and normally accepted way of life being changed.
Fair point there, but so many other cultures and ways of lives are changing as well.
I think that there is a lot to be gained from learning about other peoples culture, i am not say we have to adopt it, but if you understand the culture then you have a better chance of understanding the person.
Britain has changed, and the British were a big part of that change, first we created a commonwealth and if you lived within that commonwealth then you were allowed entry into the UK i believe, Europe is another version of that, except we no longer rule it in the same way we ruled the commonwealth, we have to accept others as equals, 200 years ago we were the dominant force, those times are long gone and will never return
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just to balance things out here, i am not in outright support of people coming over here enmasse
If someone is to live in the UK then they have to abide by our laws, they have to fit into out society, running amok in a night club etc. is not what i would call acceptable, it may be in their country, if they wish to continue to live in that manner then it might be an idea to go back there
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just to balance things out here, i am not in outright support of people coming over here enmasse
If someone is to live in the UK then they have to abide by our laws, they have to fit into out society, running amok in a night club etc. is not what i would call acceptable, it may be in their country, if they wish to continue to live in that manner then it might be an idea to go back there
:y :y :y :y
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just to balance things out here, i am not in outright support of people coming over here enmasse
If someone is to live in the UK then they have to abide by our laws, they have to fit into out society, running amok in a night club etc. is not what i would call acceptable, it may be in their country, if they wish to continue to live in that manner then it might be an idea to go back there
i think thats were the problem lies,far too many people and in many cases they will not fit in around us we are forced to be absolutely accommadating to them,or we are labelled racist which i most definetely am not.btw my two heroes in politics are...martin luther king and ghandi.
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This may seem a bit far fetched but a friend of SWMBO works at a Job centre call centre. She is so frustrated of how the system works.
She told us that any EU immigrant simply calls gives a name and address and asks to be given a NI number. Which they are given it seems without any kind of check.
They are then employable here in the UK and so go and get a job of which most of earnings is sent home.
They then phone again and simply use another name with their correct address, which it seems is not checked in any way,only to be issued with another NI number and proceed to claim the full range of benefits, no doubt including some form of housing, on which they live on over here.
And those benefits my Omega friends are taken from our hard earned wages >:( >:( >:(
Nuff Said !
I'll just add that the Job Centre now has specialist translators to help the many claimants that cannot speak.... Now whats that word...Oh yes ENGLISH >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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and it is perfectly legal for an eastern european to live in this country and claim benefits for his wife and children who still live in the country of origin,because i suppose in reality we no longer live in england/britain/u.k. we live in europe and the only thing which could ever change any of this would be to withdraw.
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Our friend also told us that If they bring their own car with them, it does not have to be taxed for a year... is that right?
If so what about insurance and MOT ?
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I had a colleague from overseas who brought his car with him and it had been a couple of years without anything. Not even sure if his insurance would have been valid but anyone he asked just shrugged their shoulders.
Convinced him to take it for an MOT and they wouldn't do it because the computerised system wouldn't take his reg. no. :-/
No problem with speed cameras, of course.
So yes, you can get away with everything. I'm guessing that it would have to be legal in the country of origin and have been in the Uk less than a certain period of time, but there's clearly not enough co-operation between nations to check this.
Kevin
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I had a colleague from overseas who brought his car with him and it had been a couple of years without anything. Not even sure if his insurance would have been valid but anyone he asked just shrugged their shoulders.
Convinced him to take it for an MOT and they wouldn't do it because the computerised system wouldn't take his reg. no. :-/
No problem with speed cameras, of course.
So yes, you can get away with everything. I'm guessing that it would have to be legal in the country of origin and have been in the Uk less than a certain period of time, but there's clearly not enough co-operation between nations to check this.
Kevin
Get yourself some Polish plates made up :y
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i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....
These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.
Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.
The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.
For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.
All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.
look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.
In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........
i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work
i'll get me coat
I agree 100%. Have a look at parts of Spain, Marbella in particular they have become mini UK's so the Eastern Europeans aren't the only ones moving around. The main issue of contention is not against the hard workers who come here, its against those who come for benefits, to give birth and then return home without paying the bill, to have their children educated and pay nothing into the system etc. When you arrive in the UK you should not be able to claim anything until you have 3 years of unbroken tax and NI contributions behind you.Schools all over England should teach English as the first language and all others second.Before being given permission to stay and work the return fare home should be lodged with the Government, repayable after the 3 year qualifying period.
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Interesting thread. I agree with Jay W comments as well.
Large parts of southern spain (not just marbella ) a ghettoes of English (and germans/dutch etc). Spain loves it generally as the incomers have sold their (expensive) houses in Britain and arespending here instead. That is good for the economy in general. The only downside is a lot of the people are old at or near retirement and when they are eligible (65) they become a drain on the Spanish health system.
What is interesting is younger expat people are eligible for virtually NOTHING from the Spanish social system. It is hard to get a proper job. The Spanish give them to their family/mates and a lot of civil service jobs are like they were in Britain 30 years ago. Dead wood, plodders, jobs for life, promotion earned on length of service not ability.....
What is wrong is that the British benefits system is totally over the top. Years ago, I fell on hard times after losing my job. I qualified for naff all as I had some savings. I too think it is a bit poor that people with nothing seem to be able to get loads. The only way to change the benefits system is through the ballot box.
There are loads of low paid jobs in Spain in farming. People Q up outside labour exchanges and are picked up by gang masters at the crack of dawn and driven long distances in some cases to work all day in plastic greenhouses in this heat, picking fruit and veg all for 4 or 5 euros an hour NOT paying toward the state social or benefitting from it.. Then they Money transfer it back to the home country at one of the many shops that specialise in doing just that. Some even have their own newspapers in Romanian, Peruvian etc
varche
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im thinking of moving to new zealand because of it. Its not england no more, its people from all over the world now. My mum in law was trying to get a job and all the spaces were filled up by foriegners! >:( >:( >:( >:(