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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Lampynoiseboy on 29 April 2012, 00:21:10
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Driving a merc sprinter a lot atm, and really miss the 3-flash lane-change on the indicators when i get back in t'mig
Anyone tried a mod? failed? won? know 'owt about it?
Would assume that as even the basic festa has it now, that the insignia does at least, wondered if it's a whole programming/ecu thing?
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Dunno about the logistics but The vectras as had it, my 03 mondeo does too
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I can't think of many situations where they'd be useful, TBH - 3 flashes is short enough to be missed by the majority of Magoos out there...
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I've always thought them a bit of a gimmick but have to confess to missing them as well now I'm back in the Omega. I wonder if it's as simple as fitting a different flasher unit :-\
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I've always thought them a bit of a gimmick but have to confess to missing them as well now I'm back in the Omega. I wonder if it's as simple as fitting a different flasher unit :-\
Isn't it a gentle push on the stalk for 3-flash, a proper click for latching them on? Probably need stalk and/ or connector.
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I can't think of many situations where they'd be useful, TBH - 3 flashes is short enough to be missed by the majority of Magoos out there...
Believe me, once you've had them, you miss them...
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The stalk function allows holding , before a further push clicks them on until clicked off.
So i guess its a programming thing.
Although how much longer do we have to hold an arm out for three flashes, really?
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The stalk function allows holding , before a further push clicks them on until clicked off.
So i guess its a programming thing.
Although how much longer do we have to hold an arm out for three flashes, really?
Reason I think there are a good idea - how many times have you been in the outside lane, at speed, where the middle lane driver pulls out with just a single flash.
Not aproblem on std BMWs of course...
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The Ibizia has this. I also looked at fitting it to my Omega. However the relay is part of the instrument cluster so there's no relay as such.
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The stalk function allows holding , before a further push clicks them on until clicked off.
So i guess its a programming thing.
Although how much longer do we have to hold an arm out for three flashes, really?
Reason I think there are a good idea - how many times have you been in the outside lane, at speed, where the middle lane driver pulls out with just a single flash.
Not aproblem on std BMWs of course...
if they pull out regauardless, what differance does the number of flashes make?
They would be nice to have though, although 4 flashes minimum IMO if they are to be usefull.
Question is how?
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My driving instructor, many, many years ago .. but NOT in the days of semaphore arms before you lot start .... taught me that the minimum number of flashes is 4 but you should aim to do the same number of flashes as your speed in tens .. so on a motorway at 70 .. it is 7 flashes.
They are INDICATORS of INTENT, and therefore should be on long enough for the observer to register that intent and take any corresponding action required.
They are NOT, "I'm moving now" devices.
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They are INDICATORS of INTENT, and therefore should be on long enough for the observer to register that intent and take any corresponding action required.
They are NOT, "I'm moving now" devices.
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Very true. There are too many drivers out there that consider indicating is a "right of way" Then there is another army who will indicate AS they are manoeuvring, and also consider it to be the right thing to do. "Mirror, signal, manoeuver" NOT "Mirror, manoeuvre, signal". These actions require thought and consideration, and should not be replaced by gadgets
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Try this it works. :y
Komfortblinker 1x Tippen = 3x Blinken Blinkrelais Komfortblinkmodul PEKATRONIC (http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Komfortblinker-1x-Tippen-3x-Blinken-Blinkrelais-Komfortblinkmodul-PEKATRONIC-/261010577590?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item3cc57158b6)
Peter
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Try this it works. :y
Komfortblinker 1x Tippen = 3x Blinken Blinkrelais Komfortblinkmodul PEKATRONIC (http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Komfortblinker-1x-Tippen-3x-Blinken-Blinkrelais-Komfortblinkmodul-PEKATRONIC-/261010577590?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item3cc57158b6)
Peter
I've emailed the seller to ask if the instructions are in English also. Fingers crossed.
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They are INDICATORS of INTENT, and therefore should be on long enough for the observer to register that intent and take any corresponding action required.
They are NOT, "I'm moving now" devices.
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Very true. There are too many drivers out there that consider indicating is a "right of way" Then there is another army who will indicate AS they are manoeuvring, and also consider it to be the right thing to do. "Mirror, signal, manoeuver" NOT "Mirror, manoeuvre, signal". These actions require thought and consideration, and should not be replaced by gadgets
I do believe this to be a technical question gents, although the irony of BMW designing indicators that apparently fail to cancel is not lost on me. :)
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It is like this to give you an idea, this is not the PEKATRONIC module.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/1hb58k.jpg)
Put these wires on the windshield-stalk
Contact 15 to 4 on the turn stalk
Ground 31 to 6 on the turn stalk
Put these wire direct on the Turn-signal stalk
Turn-signal 49a to 4 on the turn stalk
Turn-signal right 49R to 8 on the turn stalk
Turn-signal left 49L to 9 on the turn stalk
This is the turn-signal stalk S5.3
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20h0co6.jpg)
Like this.
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq121/ptrkp/Omega/Omega%20Onyx/59016e12.jpg)
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The stalk function allows holding , before a further push clicks them on until clicked off.
So i guess its a programming thing.
Although how much longer do we have to hold an arm out for three flashes, really?
Reason I think there are a good idea - how many times have you been in the outside lane, at speed, where the middle lane driver pulls out with just a single flash.
Not a problem on std BMWs of course...
Because they now drive audi's & still don't indicate?
The sprinter is a push up or down but not far enough to latch, the point we would hold it at to achieve the same thing.
It's not the logic of it being good or not, just as TB noted above, you do miss it- like one-touch raise on passenger window which the sprinter doesn't have >:(
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Considering that 3 flashes to change lane is more of a derisory 'yes I am cutting you up' signal than anything useful, why would you want such a thing?
What is so difficult about deciding you want to change lane, indicating, checking that it's safe, completing the manouver and knocking the indicator off if the self cancel didn't do it for you?
And I did suggest indicating first, as if you're paying attention to the traffic around you, you'll already have a pretty good idea if there's a suitable gap. Often you'll find the vehicle behind will move over giving you somewhere to go.
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Considering that 3 flashes to change lane is more of a derisory 'yes I am cutting you up' signal than anything useful, why would you want such a thing?
What is so difficult about deciding you want to change lane, indicating, checking that it's safe, completing the manouver and knocking the indicator off if the self cancel didn't do it for you?
And I did suggest indicating first, as if you're paying attention to the traffic around you, you'll already have a pretty good idea if there's a suitable gap. Often you'll find the vehicle behind will move over giving you somewhere to go.
Reason I think there are a good idea - how many times have you been in the outside lane, at speed, where the middle lane driver pulls out with just a single flash.
It's not the logic of it being good or not, just as TB noted above, you do miss it >:(
*edits for clarity
Surely anything that adds a possible notice to other drivers can't be a bad thing?
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Really don't see point in spending money on this mod? :-\
On the motorway, just "flick" (not actually put to first setting) the indicator when moving out, I few clicks, done. Finger held for no more than 2/3 seconds?
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42€ for a couple of relays in a box? Someone's on a nice little earner there. ;)
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Really don't see point in spending money on this mod? :-\
On the motorway, just "flick" (not actually put to first setting) the indicator when moving out, I few clicks, done. Finger held for no more than 2/3 seconds?
It's simply a case of being used to it being there, if you just flick it as i have been doing all day in the van, you only get 1 flash, no use to anyone & quite dangerous
Much like forgetting to use the hand brake on the van having been driving auto :-[
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42€ for a couple of relays in a box? Someone's on a nice little earner there. ;)
Go for it then Kev ............ you could do your own kit! ;) ;) ;)
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Considering that 3 flashes to change lane is more of a derisory 'yes I am cutting you up' signal than anything useful, why would you want such a thing?
What is so difficult about deciding you want to change lane, indicating, checking that it's safe, completing the manouver and knocking the indicator off if the self cancel didn't do it for you?
And I did suggest indicating first, as if you're paying attention to the traffic around you, you'll already have a pretty good idea if there's a suitable gap. Often you'll find the vehicle behind will move over giving you somewhere to go.
It's not difficult to hold te indicator stalk in your older Vx (or any other car), but it's something that's nice to use on cars that came out of the factory with 'lane change' indicators, SWMBO's Smart has them & they're something that you can quickly get used to. :y :y :y
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I keep getting caught out as the daily driver has the lane change indies on it. I like it let us know how the fitting goes might do this myself
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Its like cruise control, bit pointless untill youve had it!
I have 3 flash thing on the mondeo :-X Im in at the mo and when I drive anything without I get annoyed! Seems expensive granted, but Im sure a clever person will work out the cheaper way soon enough :y
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indicators....read ..I would like to . The lane changer has the responsibility to make sure the change is safe. Others should not have to slow down etc because of someone is changing lane. Signals only need to be given as necessary!! Different rules throughout the EU.
Please be aware of French new rules regarding Sat Nav camera warnings and Breathalysers....{ you can not and carry two)
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indicators....read ..I would like to . The lane changer has the responsibility to make sure the change is safe. Others should not have to slow down etc because of someone is changing lane. Signals only need to be given as necessary!! Different rules throughout the EU.
Please be aware of French new rules regarding Sat Nav camera warnings and Breathalysers....{ you can not and carry two)
Any chance of that post in english?
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Please be aware of French new rules regarding Sat Nav camera warnings and Breathalysers....{ you can not and carry two)
Not applic untill July ;) ;) ;)