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Title: A right kick in the nad's!!........
Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 19:58:30
Well, after selling my beloved MV6 estate and getting a more "economical" Mondeo TDCI estate, the rather Dagenham dustbin decided to disintigrate it's DMF taking out the starter motor and clutch and left me with a nice £1000 repair bill!! >:( :'( So much for an economical change!  :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: redelitev6 on 10 May 2012, 19:59:40
 :( Ouch  :(
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 May 2012, 20:07:28
Very, very common fault on them, almost guaranteed to do by about 70k....
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Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 20:09:24
Very, very common fault on them, almost guaranteed to do by about 70k....

NOW he tells me ::)
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 May 2012, 20:11:04
Sure we mentioned that, along with leaky injectors....
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 May 2012, 20:11:48
All cars have their faults, those are the 2 on the TDCi :)
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Post by: tunnie on 10 May 2012, 20:18:45
A grand can buy a shed ton of fuel for a V6, not that helps  :P
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Post by: LFF64 on 10 May 2012, 20:20:31
DMF  :-[
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Post by: tunnie on 10 May 2012, 20:21:41
DMF  :-[

Dual Mass Flywheel  :y
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Post by: Elite Pete on 10 May 2012, 20:22:05
Any excuse to get out of drinking with us Northerners this weekend, you shandy drinking southern softie ;D
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Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 10 May 2012, 20:23:05
Very, very common fault on them, almost guaranteed to do by about 70k....

I was about to say that. How many miles did yours have? Has the car been making the occasional "thumping" noise when you switch it off? That is one of the tell tale signs apparently.
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Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 10 May 2012, 20:46:18
Any excuse to get out of drinking with us Northerners this weekend, you shandy drinking southern softie ;D

You wish you were properly Northern.

>practically Danish<
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Post by: Omegatoy on 10 May 2012, 20:54:58
usually takes out the crankshaft sensor when it goes as well,!!
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Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 20:58:46
Any excuse to get out of drinking with us Northerners this weekend, you shandy drinking southern softie ;D

 ;D ;D ;D now how did I know you'd come out with a comment like that Pete ::) ;D Was really looking forward to it and still might say "to hell with it" and come. Got to teach you people up Norf to drink proper! ;D
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Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 21:01:35
Very, very common fault on them, almost guaranteed to do by about 70k....

I was about to say that. How many miles did yours have? Has the car been making the occasional "thumping" noise when you switch it off? That is one of the tell tale signs apparently.

It's done just over 100k but the only warning I got was a screeching noise for a few seconds after starting, and sometimes wouldn't turn over - like the battery was running flat.
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Post by: aaronjb on 10 May 2012, 21:02:47
Any excuse to get out of drinking with us Northerners this weekend, you shandy drinking southern softie ;D

You wish you were properly Northern.

>practically Danish<

That made me chuckle :)
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Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 21:03:02
usually takes out the crankshaft sensor when it goes as well,!!

Oh deep joy, it's getting better all the time! ::)
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Post by: jonnycool on 10 May 2012, 21:06:58
I've just bought one of them, with over 100k on the clock but it's all been done on this one, as well as subframe bushes, rear bearings and all-new brakes. Seller showed me receipts for over £3500!  :o
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Post by: bob.dent on 10 May 2012, 21:10:08
I've just bought one of them, with over 100k on the clock but it's all been done on this one, as well as subframe bushes, rear bearings and all-new brakes. Seller showed me receipts for over £3500!  :o

break me! :o

LJAY......I WANT MY MIG BACK! :-*
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Post by: tunnie on 10 May 2012, 21:21:47
Its does make you think about these "economical" derv engine cars, they do better mpg, but if you DIY service an Omega you save a fortune in service and parts costs, which probably makes them overall cheaper to run. Just not at the pump!
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Post by: davethediver on 11 May 2012, 00:21:37
My 56 plate mondeo now been off road for 8 months two lots of injectors and a new cylinder head :o :o still cost me nothing in first place and its now back running.

As said all cars have there problems  :y
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Post by: Vamps on 11 May 2012, 00:40:55
Any excuse to get out of drinking with us Northerners this weekend, you shandy drinking southern softie ;D

You wish you were properly Northern.

>practically Danish<

That made me chuckle :)

TS17.....south of me...... :D :D :D  GK where are you based? you are in my area of work..... :y
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Post by: feeutfo on 11 May 2012, 00:48:46
Vxr8! It is the future. :)

More economical than an omega too... If driven normally. LPGable.

Other than that, we all have the right car.

My mondeo was worn out by 90 odd k
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Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 11 May 2012, 08:23:37
Vxr8! It is the future. :)

More economical than an omega too... If driven normally. LPGable.

Other than that, we all have the right car.

My mondeo was worn out by 90 odd k

I had a 2.2 TDci mondeo (2006) as a company car. Had it from new and it went back with 65k on the clock 2 years later. Only a couple of days prior to it going back the EML started flashing which was the 1st sign of the injectors playing up ............ The next owner would have had an expensive bill very soon after purchase  :-\
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Post by: tunnie on 11 May 2012, 08:42:35
Vxr8! It is the future. :)

More economical than an omega too... If driven normally. LPGable.

Other than that, we all have the right car.

My mondeo was worn out by 90 odd k

The problem with that & the Monaro for me, is insurance. Experimenting with insurance quotes (increasing my age ect), it looks like its going to be an issue for a long time.  :(

I was only using Tesco as their site is easy to use, but cheapest quote was around £4k for a LS2 Monaro.  :'(
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Post by: bob.dent on 11 May 2012, 09:34:48
Its does make you think about these "economical" derv engine cars, they do better mpg, but if you DIY service an Omega you save a fortune in service and parts costs, which probably makes them overall cheaper to run. Just not at the pump!

For the first 6 months I was thinking how reliable and economical it was, only had an oil change done when I first got it (even though one wasn't due, but peace of mind and all that), and had to get steering gaitors replaced for the MOT and since then nothing. Was returning close to 50mpg too, so I thought I was quids in. It's only now I'm hearing that thing like the DMF are common failures on the Mondeo. ::) As someone has already mentioned, I suppose every car has it's weaknesses, but it seems like I always find them! :'(
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Post by: tunnie on 11 May 2012, 09:42:43
Its does make you think about these "economical" derv engine cars, they do better mpg, but if you DIY service an Omega you save a fortune in service and parts costs, which probably makes them overall cheaper to run. Just not at the pump!

For the first 6 months I was thinking how reliable and economical it was, only had an oil change done when I first got it (even though one wasn't due, but peace of mind and all that), and had to get steering gaitors replaced for the MOT and since then nothing. Was returning close to 50mpg too, so I thought I was quids in. It's only now I'm hearing that thing like the DMF are common failures on the Mondeo. ::) As someone has already mentioned, I suppose every car has it's weaknesses, but it seems like I always find them! :'(

Vectra's have similar issues with DMF too, not sure on later Insignia's  :-\

BMW's have swirl flaps, now causing issues on bikes. So all cars have issues, guess secret is understanding them and taking preventive measures.

Take motherT's estate, needs two new rear shocks, just age, they have failed (think they are original!) Retail price for self levelling shocks is £120+vat each, so say £288 for shocks + fitting. 2 hours labour I think is fair, so £80 rate about average? Not far off a £450 bill if taken to a garage.

But I'm getting them on trade & fitting myself, end cost around £180.

£270 buys a lot of fuel! Going to take many 1,000's miles to recoup that with an economical derv VS thirsty V6

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Post by: Sam Burton on 11 May 2012, 09:45:40
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those are the 2 on the TDCi

Im afraid on the later 53 - 56 plate mondeos the Injectors are common, EGR valve issues are also a problem and the elctronic wastergate on the turbo is also common

Sorry to put a downer on it  :-\ ::)
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Post by: Sam Burton on 11 May 2012, 09:48:44
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Seller showed me receipts for over £3500

My old 51 plate CDX 2.5 V6 Auto the elderly gentlemen that had it before me wouldnt get it looked anywhere other than Vauxhall tyres included i had a folder full of reciepts which come to an astonishing £10800 the bloke was mental the car was still immaculate but for that kind of money youd expect it to it was still in good nick when i sold it with 204,000 miles on it  ;D ;D
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 May 2012, 09:55:02
Vectra's have similar issues with DMF too, not sure on later Insignia's  :-\

BMW's have swirl flaps, now causing issues on bikes. So all cars have issues, guess secret is understanding them and taking preventive measures.


Secret is not buying tractors IMHO. :y
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 May 2012, 10:48:30
DMF failures affect all the diesle cars inclduing the japs and teh BMW's.

The trouble is the failure mode on the Fords (and consequently also the jags) is the most spectacular!

Still, a flywheel is not a wear and tear item and they should last longer but the torque they have to endure often gets the better of them.

The latest setups still use the DMF's but, they smooth the power delivery during shifting etc to stop them being exposed to the massive torque of full bore gear changes away from the lights.
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Post by: Matchless on 11 May 2012, 12:50:40
DMF failures affect all the diesle cars inclduing the japs and teh BMW's.

The trouble is the failure mode on the Fords (and consequently also the jags) is the most spectacular!


Oh go on, twist the knife while you are at it!

For that comment I expect to see you under the Jag helping out in a couple of weeks time.
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Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 11 May 2012, 16:28:41
DMF failures affect all the diesle cars inclduing the japs and teh BMW's.

The trouble is the failure mode on the Fords (and consequently also the jags) is the most spectacular!


Oh go on, twist the knife while you are at it!

For that comment I expect to see you under the Jag helping out catching 40 winks in a couple of weeks time.
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Post by: Rods2 on 11 May 2012, 20:15:09
Do the same problems apply to the Ford Galaxy?
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Post by: henryd on 11 May 2012, 21:49:30
Do the same problems apply to the Ford Galaxy?

No, the galaxy diesels use Vw lumps with there own problems :-X
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 May 2012, 21:53:02
Do the same problems apply to the Ford Galaxy?

Yeh, the PD engines also suffer DMF issues.