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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: bobbertbear on 08 April 2008, 20:56:44
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if you were selling something,and you got paid for it and you sent it off(supposedly) and it didnt arrive at the person it was sold to,would you try and help to find out where it went,even if it was sent second class post?
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sure would
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yes i would
richie
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i would of thought that would be the normal thing to do.
richie
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well it aint happening with me,i paid for something 3 wks ago and basically got told,nothing i can do about it but if you send me this amount i'll send you another.
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Was it ebay? Did you use Pay Pal?
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seems like everyone is a conman these days :(
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no he was a fellow member of here,but it was paid thru paypal
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no he was a fellow member of here,but it was paid thru paypal
Send a PM to the OOF Mod Police - TheBoy or Hotel21 to see if they can help nudge things along :-/
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stick a claim into paypal matey ! got to try and sort something bud if no good pm h21 or tb !! :(
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is that the same one a few people had problems with a while ago ?
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Was the amount of money a lot or just a small amount, say a few pounds?
I personally say that if the amount was small, then i would send you another as good will, but if the amount was large, say £20.00 to what ever then i would be inclined to try & find said item.
If i send anything to any one who's paid for it, then it's allways sent recorded delivery.
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Claim non-receipt through Paypal -- they will attempt to contact the seller.
Just a thought -- if this IS the person mentioned above, maybe we should have a heads up so he doesn't con another member -- maybe a dispute section.
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well it cost me £25 and he got quite upset when i mentioned going to the police as it was a form of theft.
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holy count,could you pm me the name of the person and i will confirm if its the same person
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holy count,could you pm me the name of the person and i will confirm if its the same person
Albitz is the one with the name in mind I think -- Al -- can you oblige and PM Bob ?
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well it cost me £25 and he got quite upset when i mentioned going to the police as it was a form of theft.
In this case i would be helping to find said item.
Now this is were trust comes into play- you say you've not received the item & he says he's sent the item.
The Post Office issue receipts, did he get one?
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says no because it was sent 2nd class post,but then asked for another £12.50 to send another
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I normally charge more for postage and do recorded to avoid things like this
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says no because it was sent 2nd class post,but then asked for another £12.50 to send another
1st or 2nd, you can ask for a receipt.
So £12.50 post/package + £12.50 for the item?
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asked for another £12.50 on top of the £25 i had already paid,never told me how much p+p was going to be
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holy count,could you pm me the name of the person and i will confirm if its the same person
Albitz is the one with the name in mind I think -- Al -- can you oblige and PM Bob ?
nearly had a heart attack when i read that,i thought for a minute that you were saying it was me. :o
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Can i ask what the item was. No worries if no, because you don't wana give too much away
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i'm seriously thinking that its just not a good idea to agree to buy privately directly through here and paypal (i dont mean the actual oof shop by the way), which is a shame cos alot of these members are brilliant, i've bought a couple of things and had no trouble whatsoever but recently a few people have mentioned about being painfully let down by members they thought they could trust
i think the best thing to do is if you find something in the for sale sections of the forum, you ask the seller to list it on ebay for you on a buy it now at the agreed price, then get the listing ID and go buy it via ebay, and send using trackable postage, that way no one can lose out!
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lol,no i wanted to know the name of the person who's been giving problem with sending items to members,just to see if its the same guy
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no probs,it was a grill for a facelift mig,i broke mine trying to get the bonnet open
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i'm seriously thinking that its just not a good idea to agree to buy privately directly through here and paypal (i dont mean the actual oof shop by the way), which is a shame cos alot of these members are brilliant, i've bought a couple of things and had no trouble whatsoever but recently a few people have mentioned about being painfully let down by members they thought they could trust
i think the best thing to do is if you find something in the for sale sections of the forum, you ask the seller to list it on ebay for you on a buy it now at the agreed price, then get the listing ID and go buy it via ebay, and send using trackable postage, that way no one can lose out!
thats hardly a fair comment danny i have sold loads of gear on hear and have never caused any one any problems ! think its sh!t when it happens but it seems to be just one person !! dont think you can get any more protection with paypal wheter you buy private or threw ebay !! :( :(
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i think the best thing to do is if you find something in the for sale sections of the forum, you ask the seller to list it on ebay for you on a buy it now at the agreed price, then get the listing ID and go buy it via ebay, and send using trackable postage, that way no one can lose out!
Wise words Danny :y
It's a pain the bum, but seems the best way
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NAME AND SHAME...... :y
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NAME AND SHAME...... :y
I'm not sure, we don't know for sure if the grill was sent or not :-/
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NAME AND SHAME...... :y
NO!!!
There is a right way of doing this, and that would be one of two ways....
Paypal and ask them to investigate
Speak to the Admin on here and ask them to get involved.
Naming and shaming creates all sorts of bad feeling, whilst there is an issue there is still a chance this could be sorted out in a friendly way.
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holy count,could you pm me the name of the person and i will confirm if its the same person
Albitz is the one with the name in mind I think -- Al -- can you oblige and PM Bob ?
nearly had a heart attack when i read that,i thought for a minute that you were saying it was me. :o
Sorry Al ---- badly worded my post :-[
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NAME AND SHAME...... :y
NO!!!
There is a right way of doing this, and that would be one of two ways....
Paypal and ask them to investigate
Speak to the Admin on here and ask them to get involved.
Naming and shaming creates all sorts of bad feeling, whilst there is an issue there is still a chance this could be sorted out in a friendly way.
very bad way to do it have to agree with jay if you pay with paypal put a claim in you will get your moneys back it dont matter a sh!t if its private or ebay >:(
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thanks guys you've all been a great help,just a pity some arent as helpfull. ;)
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i'm seriously thinking that its just not a good idea to agree to buy privately directly through here and paypal (i dont mean the actual oof shop by the way), which is a shame cos alot of these members are brilliant, i've bought a couple of things and had no trouble whatsoever but recently a few people have mentioned about being painfully let down by members they thought they could trust
i think the best thing to do is if you find something in the for sale sections of the forum, you ask the seller to list it on ebay for you on a buy it now at the agreed price, then get the listing ID and go buy it via ebay, and send using trackable postage, that way no one can lose out!
thats hardly a fair comment danny i have sold loads of gear on hear and have never caused any one any problems ! think its sh!t when it happens but it seems to be just one person !! dont think you can get any more protection with paypal wheter you buy private or threw ebay !! :( :(
as highlighted, definately not aimed at the genuine honest sellers on here like yourself, I just think the ebay route is a problem solver, especially as i'm personally just one of those people who isnt too trusting for my own peace of mind
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thanks guys you've all been a great help,just a pity some arent as helpfull. ;)
Pm me details and I will see what, if anything, that I can do from a forum perspective but, you should also file a query with paypal.
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holy count,could you pm me the name of the person and i will confirm if its the same person
Albitz is the one with the name in mind I think -- Al -- can you oblige and PM Bob ?
nearly had a heart attack when i read that,i thought for a minute that you were saying it was me. :o
Sorry Al ---- badly worded my post :-[
not a problem,i just read it quickly first time and nearly fell off my chair,i recall the same thing happening the first time i read your user name ;D :y
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NAME AND SHAME...... :y
NO!!!
There is a right way of doing this, and that would be one of two ways....
Paypal and ask them to investigate
Speak to the Admin on here and ask them to get involved.
Naming and shaming creates all sorts of bad feeling, whilst there is an issue there is still a chance this could be sorted out in a friendly way.
very bad way to do it have to agree with jay if you pay with paypal put a claim in you will get your moneys back it dont matter a sh!t if its private or ebay >:(
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it is not guaranteed. You have 45 days from transaction to put in a dispute. Paylpal will chase the seller but if they get no response then it falls down to your credit card company. Then, if like me, you don't do credit cards you're screwed.
This is what I got from paypal:
We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover £0.00 GBP. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.
Exactly 12 days after this message, they closed the case.
I lost 300 quid via 2 seperate incidents last year and am still wanting to throttle the theiving b******s now.
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Another reminder not to use Paypal with anything more than beer money. >:( Would have been a different matter if the shoe had been on the other foot.
Kevin
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i'm seriously thinking that its just not a good idea to agree to buy privately directly through here and paypal (i dont mean the actual oof shop by the way), which is a shame cos alot of these members are brilliant, i've bought a couple of things and had no trouble whatsoever but recently a few people have mentioned about being painfully let down by members they thought they could trust
i think the best thing to do is if you find something in the for sale sections of the forum, you ask the seller to list it on ebay for you on a buy it now at the agreed price, then get the listing ID and go buy it via ebay, and send using trackable postage, that way no one can lose out!
Absolutley spot on - i sell hundreds of items a month on ebay - have two omegas breaking and a vectra but have not advertised it on here.
The reason is simple - i dont believe the buyer has any protection and thats not a slight in any way against the forum but i just like both parties to be protected in the tranaction.
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And just to add, both sellers had above 97% positive feedback on many thousands of transactions so I felt 'comforatble' seperating with the cash. Well, as comfortable as you can be.
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EBay & Paypal -- being one and the same -- are laws unto themselves -- they offer, in reality, neither buyer nor seller protection -- all they guarantee is self protection ! That said -- it is still worth filing a claim -- you never know!
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EBay & Paypal -- being one and the same -- are laws unto themselves -- they offer, in reality, neither buyer nor seller protection -- all they guarantee is self protection ! That said -- it is still worth filing a claim -- you never know!
They are getting better, due to lots of bad publicity
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Here as on ebay one needs to build up a level of trust in a seller when purchasing goods. Ebay gives a guide with feedback - a look thro a sellers feedback can enhance that initial guide. On OOF there is no feedback - but it is possible to "get a feel" for a sellers reliability by reading through prior posts and other members comments.
Whilst i have sympathy for anyone who has been ripped off, lets not go over the top because of the actions of one idiot individual, and risk spoiling it for others.
Personally i have had good experiences with buying items off OOF (& off ebay, where i also sell - 100% feedback) and would want that to continue on OOF. For example see thread http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205449884.
Sorry to go on but dont let the actions of one individual cock it up for other sellers. We need good sellers on OOF!
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i'll get on to paypal tomorrow and give it a shot,thanks guys for all the help,and if anyone has a facelift grill for sale i need one,quickly as the cars up for sale ;)
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Here as on ebay one needs to build up a level of trust in a seller when purchasing goods. Ebay gives a guide with feedback - a look thro a sellers feedback can enhance that initial guide. On OOF there is no feedback - but it is possible to "get a feel" for a sellers reliability by reading through prior posts and other members comments.
Whilst i have sympathy for anyone who has been ripped off, lets not go over the top because of the actions of one idiot individual, and risk spoiling it for others.
Personally i have had good experiences with buying items off OOF (& off ebay, where i also sell - 100% feedback) and would want that to continue on OOF. For example see thread http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205449884.
Sorry to go on but dont let the actions of one individual cock it up for other sellers. We need good sellers on OOF!
On other forums I have visited -- where there is a trading element of any sort -- there has been a feedback thread where good or bad experience is shared ( much like eBay feedback). Each regular seller has their own feedback thread for potential buyers to read through and make their own minds up.
If we don't want dirty laundry aired in public -- just PM a mod when things go pear shaped -- I am sure they will act to quietly remove a member if a pattern starts forming
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thanks dbug ! mabye an idea to have reccomened sellers on oof as decided by admins mods !! :y
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thanks dbug ! mabye an idea to have reccomened sellers on oof as decided by admins mods !! :y
We got to the point of actually implementing something on the live platform, only to back out of it due to technical issues. :(
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thanks dbug ! mabye an idea to have reccomened sellers on oof as decided by admins mods !! :y
We got to the point of actually implementing something on the live platform, only to back out of it due to technical issues. :(
could it be sorted jaime :-?
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thanks dbug ! mabye an idea to have reccomened sellers on oof as decided by admins mods !! :y
We got to the point of actually implementing something on the live platform, only to back out of it due to technical issues. :(
could it be sorted jaime :-?
That particular idea for that particular implementation is scrapped, as not technically possible without massive rewriting of the forum software.
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What about a feedback thread for sellers ?
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could something else be done like a sticky with a list of preffered sellars :question
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could something else be done like a sticky with a list of preffered sellars :question
Admin approved Preferred Sellers makes some people immediately more important than others - not a direction we want to go I'm afraid.
A section for feedback for sellers is too open to abuse to be useful.
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i suppose your right bud ! not me though !! just hate to see people getting ripped off by fellow "members" (used losely) >:( >:(
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Lets not forget the basics, when you buy anything from anyware and pay for postage. You send the postage payment to whoever, they send the item to you via the post office or courier whom they pay on your behalf.
The contract is made by the sender (not the buyer) and is not transferrable under any circumstabces. No matter what they claim.
you will see a lot on ebay denying any resposability for loss, even if you have the proof of posting from the sender the post office or whoever used, will not deal with you on the very basis of contract. which does not exist with you.
The solution is quite easy issue a small claims. Being an Omega owner does not endough you or anyone with the attributes of honesty or anything other than that you are an omega owner. In the main the majority are more than honest in thier dealings, but as in in all other matters there are a few who will seek to gain an advantage by any means available.
Normally it is quite sufficient to issue a copy of proceedings in the small claims court. As always there are times when you will need to follow through. You can download the forms required which should be part of anyones arsnel who buys via the web. I use it and have never lost a case. even to the use of baliffs.
The moral being dont be afraid of spending what is at the end of the day THIER MONEY it's a great feeling to see them being shafted.
And yes there are a few on this forum, so just learn how to deal with them
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Lets not forget the basics, when you buy anything from anyware and pay for postage. You send the postage payment to whoever, they send the item to you via the post office or courier whom they pay on your behalf.
The contract is made by the sender (not the buyer) and is not transferrable under any circumstabces. No matter what they claim.
you will see a lot on ebay denying any resposability for loss, even if you have the proof of posting from the sender the post office or whoever used, will not deal with you on the very basis of contract. which does not exist with you.
The solution is quite easy issue a small claims. Being an Omega owner does not endough you or anyone with the attributes of honesty or anything other than that you are an omega owner. In the main the majority are more than honest in thier dealings, but as in in all other matters there are a few who will seek to gain an advantage by any means available.
Normally it is quite sufficient to issue a copy of proceedings in the small claims court. As always there are times when you will need to follow through. You can download the forms required which should be part of anyones arsnel who buys via the web. I use it and have never lost a case. even to the use of baliffs.
The moral being dont be afraid of spending what is at the end of the day THIER MONEY it's a great feeling to see them being shafted.
And yes there are a few on this forum, so just learn how to deal with them
i dont know who you mean, but its a shame that the situation exists :(
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AFAIK there are four to avoid. I've not received something I paid for from a member despite a number of false promises that it's packed ready to ship etc etc.
If I buy anything now, i'll go and pick the item up (unless it's very low value) because I can't afford to give my money away to fraudsters.
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I would pay by cheque, at least you've got an address to go to, to persuade the seller they are in the wrong ::)
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I`ve bought two items from well established O.O.F members; the first was lost by Royal Mail; and I am positive the seller was in no way at fault.
The second 'deal' was a perfect transaction with hyper-fast delivery. :y
However, just as a sensible precaution; I would not buy from a joined to sell 'Newbie' or from someone who hasn`t become active within our community.
Perhaps the <50 post restriction (which applies to selling whole-cars) might be a fair and applicable measure to also apply when selling parts?
Yes, it may alienate some, but it might protect both the 'innocent buyer' and the reputation of the forum. :y
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i would buy something from a member rather than something from an ebay seller.
However i do take the precaution that Debs has talked about, my own rule is they have to be an established member of the forum.
I have bought things in the past from people on here and on the whole had a good experience.
Don't let the minority spoil it for everyone else
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I`ve bought two items from well established O.O.F members; the first was lost by Royal Mail; and I am positive the seller was in no way at fault.
The second 'deal' was a perfect transaction with hyper-fast delivery. :y
However, just as a sensible precaution; I would not buy from a joined to sell 'Newbie' or from someone who hasn`t become active within our community.
Perhaps the <50 post restriction (which applies to selling whole-cars) might be a fair and applicable measure to also apply when selling parts?Yes, it may alienate some, but it might protect both the 'innocent buyer' and the reputation of the forum. :y
Not a daft idea :y
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was told a long time ago that the sent item is your responsibility and your property until it is received at the other end.
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Has this dispute been resolved yet?
>50 post restriction is a fair idea however assorted sellers here have substantially more than that already. A 50 limit will only restrict the 'new' sellers....
Incedentally, some posters to this thread who are currently taking the moral high ground are also no strangers to being the baddies of previous 'trade disputes' on this forum (and elsewhere)....... ;)
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Has this dispute been resolved yet?
>50 post restriction is a fair idea however assorted sellers here have substantially more than that already. A 50 limit will only restrict the 'new' sellers....
Incedentally, some posters to this thread who are currently taking the moral high ground are also no strangers to being the baddies of previous 'trade disputes' on this forum (and elsewhere)....... ;)
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yep,i always post recorded delivery,this way you know its arrived
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Has this dispute been resolved yet?
>50 post restriction is a fair idea however assorted sellers here have substantially more than that already. A 50 limit will only restrict the 'new' sellers....
Incedentally, some posters to this thread who are currently taking the moral high ground are also no strangers to being the baddies of previous 'trade disputes' on this forum (and elsewhere)....... ;)
No but, I have tried to contact the seller via PM and email with a view to resolving the dispute.
Awaiting a response.
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I think a seller should be made to provide a proof of address to one of the admins before they are allowed to sell.
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read the posts with great interest. i still think name and shame is right thing to do.
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I think a seller should be made to provide a proof of address to one of the admins before they are allowed to sell.
i was thinking of the logistics of that on my drive in this morning, and too many holes if you get determined con artist
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I think a seller should be made to provide a proof of address to one of the admins before they are allowed to sell.
i was thinking of the logistics of that on my drive in this morning, and too many holes if you get determined con artist
Unfortunatly it would be very hard to police.
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i lodged a dispute with paypal this morning so just have to wait and see what happens next.
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i lodged a dispute with paypal this morning so just have to wait and see what happens next.
I have done that in the past and was very successful in getting my cash back.......... :y
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definatley no name and shame. it was a private sale and should remain private between buyer and seller. i bought something off ebay on the 23rd of feb, didnt arrive after 10 days so emailed seller and cut a long story short things got quite heated. item finally arrived on friday 4th april. sent 2nd class. post marked 24th feb. had to send 1 hell of an apology. get in touch with royal mail and see what they say.
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A similar thing happened to me, not such long timescales but I had demanded a refund, no response, did nothing else for a couple of weeks, small amount of money then it arrived :-[ Sent an apology.
Thing is I had bought the same item from a shop as I needed it. :(
Whenever I have sold an item on ebay I have always got the receipt from the post office, at least then you have evidence of posting.
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Yes i would help them find it :y