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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: GaryBC on 12 June 2012, 12:56:00
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Just had a rental Insignia delivered and it's got one of those automatic hill start jobbies! It's a manual gearbox and it has no handbrake lever - some clever gubbins it supposed to make hill starts "easier" lol!
Can anybody talk me through the sequence of events to pull away up a hill without rolling back into the car behind?
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
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Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
??? enough time for the opponent to leave you in dust ;D
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Sounds fun (?) Can't wait!
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
??? enough time for the opponent to leave you in dust ;D
Within that 2s, once you've got the biting point, it will release instantly. Must be honest, I prefer a proper handbrake, rather than this toy one.
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
Sounds like a right bit of ballicking about to me. :D
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The other thing, in my (limited) experience of insignias, the fekking thing doesn't always come on. A quick flick of the button doesn't always bring it on.
And like all cars with disc brake handbrakes, park it in gear, and if against a kerb, turn steering into it.
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
Sounds like a right bit of ballicking about to me. :D
Its called "progress" apparently, DD ???
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
Sounds like a right bit of ballicking about to me. :D
Its called "progress" apparently, DD ???
;D ;D In that case I can't wait for the next major step in automotive design - based on that keek it'll be a right cracker.
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Don't they just hold after your foot is taken from the brake? I thought that's the way hill start assist works?
Thats HSA which is part of the ABS system
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
Sounds like a right bit of ballicking about to me. :D
Its called "progress" apparently, DD ???
Sounds more like "Saving £3.75 per car by ditching the handbrake lever" to me. ::)
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Moving to general car chat.
It is simple, the handbrake will auto release when the two following conditions are met:
1) The clutch is raised to the biting point
2) The throttle is (lightly) pressed
TBH, on Insignias, that doesn't really work - the bastard bongs at you, and won't release unless you give it some serious beans.
OP
Clutch to just below biting, foot on brake, release, then throttle and clutch. You have 2s from release to get the car on the clutch.
Sounds like a right bit of ballicking about to me. :D
Its called "progress" apparently, DD ???
Sounds more like "Saving £3.75 per car by ditching the handbrake lever" to me. ::)
Can't see it being a cost saving, as I assume the law dictates it still has to be a seperate system form main braking system, thus must have some hefty motors.
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Can't see it being a cost saving, as I assume the law dictates it still has to be a seperate system form main braking system, thus must have some hefty motors.
True, but the motor(s) can be assembled onto the rear subframe and then there's just an electrical connector to plug in when it gets bolted onto the shell as opposed to having to thread a cable up into the cabin, fit the handbrake lever, connect cable to the lever, adjust it, etc..
I think they would have stayed with a manual handbrake if it wasn't cheaper. Can't see any other advantage other than as a gimmick. Maybe I'm underestimating the importance of gimmicks when selling cars to muppets who can't do a hill start? ;)
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Motors are not that hefty to be honest, there a worm drive type system that pulls the brake cable on.
Obviously from an assembly perspective there easier as its a case of mount the motor and plug it in, no adjustment or anything required.
Cant say I have experienced the boot it approach required for release
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On the rental I had I found it so awful to use that I just dropped the clutch and drove away causing it to disengage by whatever way it chose.......... :)
I said it some time ago and will say it again it's a thoroughly useless feature on a car that was developed around the edit " let's play about with something that works ,spend a fortune in development and make it worse........."
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Sounds like a bloody minefield! Luckily most of my drive will be on the M4 - where there ain't too many hills! Hopefully, when I get off the other end, there won't be too many either!
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Isn't 'progress' wonderful ..... ??? ??? ??? I can manage a hill start without rolling back without the use of a handbrake in all my cars - manual or auto :y
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Can't see it being a cost saving, as I assume the law dictates it still has to be a seperate system form main braking system, thus must have some hefty motors.
True, but the motor(s) can be assembled onto the rear subframe and then there's just an electrical connector to plug in when it gets bolted onto the shell as opposed to having to thread a cable up into the cabin, fit the handbrake lever, connect cable to the lever, adjust it, etc..
I think they would have stayed with a manual handbrake if it wasn't cheaper. Can't see any other advantage other than as a gimmick. Maybe I'm underestimating the importance of gimmicks when selling cars to muppets who can't do a hill start? ;)
all i can see it one wet windy night in the middle of febuary 5-6 years from now (when the insignia is old enough not too be serviced) those motors not disengaging and the vehicle being stranded... :y
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The other thing, in my (limited) experience of insignias, the fekking thing doesn't always come on. A quick flick of the button doesn't always bring it on.
And like all cars with disc brake handbrakes, park it in gear, and if against a kerb, turn steering into it.
I wont buy a car without a proper handbrake.. electronics soon will fail.. :-\
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Cant say I have experienced the boot it approach required for release
On the new Astras, it releases itself as soon as you pull away. On the Insignias, attempting to pull away just makes you look a prat with the car looking like you are trying to pull away with a handbrake hard on, and the bloody thing bonging away. If you do give it just about everything the engine can give, it does then release.
Seems GM use entirely different systems, or have refined the early Insignia version?
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it is different between insignia...i have had 4 on rentals and 2 have had a button you pull for the parking brakes and 2 with a proper handbrake...the 2 with the button (and this might be coincedence) were very low powered and trimed....the 2 with a proper hand brake had a proper engine had were very well apointed???
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Well after two days motoring I can sum it up in one word..... "why?".
Sure the auto-release on the handbrake seemed to work ok - but no better than a conventional hill start. So, apart from generating a revenue stream later in life when the system fails and cars start to fail MoT, I can't see why Vx bothered.
As for the footbrake auto-hold - what's that all about? You take your foot off the brake and the car starts to roll! Just like I'd expect it to do! Slam it back on, handbrake on, gingerly release in case it hasn't worked, start again. Gap in traffic gone - hold it on the clutch next time! (Burning smell? What burning smell? Rental cars don't have burning smells!)
Would I buy one? Would I fu****!