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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 13:23:46

Title: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 13:23:46
Right. I have resealed the oil cooler which was leaking. I have replaced the matrix pipes which were pissing out coolant.

Still, the rather thing looses coolant. This time Lincoln to Sheffield equals one tank of coolant.

Help !!!
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: albitz on 08 July 2012, 13:30:36
Any idea where its leaking from ?
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 13:37:53
Firstly the oil cooler plate. Then the matrix hoses.

Both repaired/replaced  :y

No obvious signs. I am very frustrated with it. P
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: amba on 08 July 2012, 14:48:44
Think you really need to get the top end stripped down and then get some pressure into a cold sytem via a hand pump and coolant cap.

Loosing that amount should become quite evident when you have a steady pressure applied.
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: albitz on 08 July 2012, 15:50:06
Recheck the matrix hose connections.They can appear to be fully home when they arent. Aprt from that - wot he said ^
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 18:22:22
I may have a breakthrough with this. Or at least something to give you guys a clue....


When I travelled to Sheffield, I had the heater on at 25 deg. It emptied the coolant tank and their was a whiff of coolant in the cab.
When I travelled back from Sheffield, I had the air con on low. Nice and cool in the cab. However the car didn't use a drop on the return journey.


Incidentally, the drivers side carpet is dry so I don't think it is the heater matrix.


I am determined to get to the bottom of this and with your help I will  :y
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: martin42 on 08 July 2012, 18:29:04
Could have been an air lock :y
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: omega3000 on 08 July 2012, 19:02:14
HBV  :-\
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Andy H on 08 July 2012, 19:20:26
HBV  :-\
+1 vote for HBV
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: amba on 08 July 2012, 19:32:00
+2 HBV....why do these things leak some much.??

I was under the impression that the vacuum diaphram in the hbv was either open or closed.If you had the temp on HI it would allow coolant to flow through the HBV and then into and out of the heater matrix.If it was on any other temp setting ..Digital number it would be shut and no coolant would flow through the matrix.

Only thing I couldn,t get my head around was how did it control the temperature then from less than HI to more than LOW ..if that makes sense :o
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Entwood on 08 July 2012, 19:36:49
IIRC the HBV is even simpler than quoted above ... :(

I seem to remember 2Woody saying that it was always open - ie sending fluid to the heater matrix - unless and until you set the aircon to LO on at least one side, at which point it shuts and goes into bypass mode...

Now I might have that all wrong ... senility is setting in ... but I'm sure thats what he said ..... ?
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: amba on 08 July 2012, 19:47:26
That seems to make more sense really as if it is passing coolant through it all the time..except when on LOW.

Damn thing seems to be the real "weak link" in the coolant system ,as only sure way to ensure it doesnt leak is have temp on LO on all the time then  :D
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 21:42:47
After reading up on it it does sound like its failed. Question is, how on earth can all these parts fail one after the other. Its like a domino effect. I suppose there can't be much left to change  ;D

Another trip to Vx tomorrow. Any idea of price chaps. Don't want to feint at the counter  ;D  :y
 
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: RobG on 08 July 2012, 21:45:16
After reading up on it it does sound like its failed. Question is, how on earth can all these parts fail one after the other. Its like a domino effect. I suppose there can't be much left to change  ;D

Another trip to Vx tomorrow. Any idea of price chaps. Don't want to feint at the counter  ;D  :y
Around £35 quid
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 22:42:04
After reading up on it it does sound like its failed. Question is, how on earth can all these parts fail one after the other. Its like a domino effect. I suppose there can't be much left to change  ;D

Another trip to Vx tomorrow. Any idea of price chaps. Don't want to feint at the counter  ;D :y
Around £35 quid


Thanks RobG  :y
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: feeutfo on 08 July 2012, 22:44:56
 Just to add...


Typical hbv fail.  ...other than the complete fail kind of course. :)
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: jtypecav on 08 July 2012, 22:58:01
Mine went last week too on the new one. £33 on trade IIRC.

Hope that gets to the bottom of it!
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 08 July 2012, 23:00:27
Just to add...


Typical hbv fail.  ...other than the complete fail kind of course. :)


Thank you to you all fella's. I can't wait to get the usual reliability back. When the car plays up it really knocks us for six.


Any ideas why all these parts should fail at nearly the same time though. Is it just age or simple bad luck?  ;D :-\
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: feeutfo on 08 July 2012, 23:05:21
Bad luck. Oil cooler cover plate can weep for years without notice. Hbv cought you out by partial fail by the looks. That will be the main cause of the loss. IMO.
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: Tonka. on 09 July 2012, 15:03:01
Right folks. Lets hope this is now over  ::)


Pressure tested cold using my modified cap created as per the guide on OOF  :y


Oh! it didn't like that.  ;D


It revealed a split in the hose coming from the coolant bridge to the HBV. Repaired that using the power of my Stanley knife and replaced the HBV whilst I was in there. (As I had one I thought would do it anyway).


So fingers crossed, that is the end of it  ;)


Thanks for all of your help, advice and guidance. As per usual, a brilliant site. Thanks OOF  :y :y
Title: Re: Coolant "AGAIN" !!
Post by: amba on 09 July 2012, 15:57:32
Result then Tonka.

Lets hope that has put the problem to bed now for you  :y