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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 12 July 2012, 17:57:23
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How to solve our financial problem? More immigration.
"Higher net inward migration than in our central projection – closer to the levels we have seen in recent years, for example – would put downward pressure on borrowing and PSND, as net immigrants are more likely to be of working age than old age than the population in general."
That's from the UK Office of Budget Responsibility, or the Office of Oxymorons if you prefer.
Given the levels of youth unemployment in this country, I'm not entirely sure these mandarins are good at joined-up thinking. ::) ::) ::)
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/if-cameron-wants-reduce-debt-he-needs-more-immigrants (http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/if-cameron-wants-reduce-debt-he-needs-more-immigrants)
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I personally would close our borders to all immigration including those from the EU. Send back those that here legally or illegally, if they do not contribute to our society by being gainfully employed and paying taxes. The level of expenditure on the NHS, Education and Benefits would be considerably reduced. :y
Now that's common sense :y not the crap from some overpaid tossers in a government think tank. >:(
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I personally would close our borders to all immigration including those from the EU. Send back those that here legally or illegally, if they do not contribute to our society by being gainfully employed and paying taxes. The level of expenditure on the NHS, Education and Benefits would be considerably reduced. :y
Now that's common sense :y not the crap from some overpaid tossers in a government think tank. >:(
How would you police that? Uk passport holders only? Passport holders and family? Only retired age ? Stop Uk passport holders who have lived abroad for a few years from coming back?. Colour test?
How would you "find" those in the UK illegally? The border control folk cannot even find those released from Prison that should leave the country. ;D ;D ;D
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I was only stating the what, not the how. ::) ::)
I know, let's use G4S to implement it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I personally would close our borders to all immigration including those from the EU. Send back those that here legally or illegally, if they do not contribute to our society by being gainfully employed and paying taxes. The level of expenditure on the NHS, Education and Benefits would be considerably reduced. :y
Now that's common sense :y not the crap from some overpaid tossers in a government think tank. >:(
How would you police that? Uk passport holders only? Passport holders and family? Only retired age ? Stop Uk passport holders who have lived abroad for a few years from coming back?. Colour test?
How would you "find" those in the UK illegally? The border control folk cannot even find those released from Prison that should leave the country. ;D ;D ;D
How would you "find" those in the UK illegally
By ensuring that any such agency charged with this responsibility was led by people intent on doing a thorough professional job rather than positioning themselves for a large salary, or a 'performance' related bonus, or a favourable remuneration upon termination, or an attractive pension, or a national award or some other such trivial piece of state recognition for supposedly doing a job ‘well done’.
The frustratingly impressive thing about all of the foregoing is that such activity has been performed by these people while still ensuring that their respective arses were covered to the degree where no amount of poor decision making, failing to suitably discharge their duties in an appropriate manner or any level of rank incompetence would ever impinge on their ability to hold (and continue to hold) these posts.
Accepting such poor performance now seems to be the norm in this nation and whatever else some others may think, the fault lies very firmly with those within at the Palace of Westminster, the established Civil Service, the hangers-on and doyens of the plethora of QUANGO’s presently blighting this country and, finally, within every council chamber across this country.
We are now reaping what has been sown as a result of the disinterest and a fundamental disconnect from any form of practical reality that has been, and is presently being, demonstrated by many people in this land.
Eyethangyew. :-* :-* :-*
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I personally would close our borders to all immigration including those from the EU. Send back those that here legally or illegally, if they do not contribute to our society by being gainfully employed and paying taxes. The level of expenditure on the NHS, Education and Benefits would be considerably reduced. :y
Now that's common sense :y not the crap from some overpaid tossers in a government think tank. >:(
Cleggy, only stop the Brits keeping their money in Cayman Islands , you will have enough tax collected ;D
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I personally would close our borders to all immigration including those from the EU. Send back those that here legally or illegally, if they do not contribute to our society by being gainfully employed and paying taxes. The level of expenditure on the NHS, Education and Benefits would be considerably reduced. :y
Now that's common sense :y not the crap from some overpaid tossers in a government think tank. >:(
Cleggy, only stop the Brits keeping their money in Cayman Islands , you will have enough tax collected ;D
You mean the rich millionaires who donate to the conswervative party :( ;D ;D ;D
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How would you "find" those in the UK illegally? The border control folk cannot even find those released from Prison that should leave the country. ;D ;D ;D
Go door to door on a massive scale and microchip/barcode everyone. Anyone caught in public without such identification to be rounded up and ..
.. wait, I think I'm quoting a work of literature now ;) ;D
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They can't even compell microchipping of dogs!! >:(
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The reason immigration is helping is because foreign workers are happy to do the jobs that the career benefit claimants believe is beneath them.
Turn the benefit system back into what it should be (a mechanism to stop people actually starving) and there would be no jobs for foreign workers hence no immigration.
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The reason immigration is helping is because foreign workers are happy to do the jobs that the career benefit claimants believe is beneath them.
Turn the benefit system back into what it should be (a mechanism to stop people actually starving) and there would be no jobs for foreign workers hence no immigration.
I'm afraid you are wrong Kevin.. Uk living standards very high even compared to most EU countries ,
nothing can stop immigration.. besides company profits always requires low salary workers that UK citizens wont accept.. :-\
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The reason immigration is helping is because foreign workers are happy to do the jobs that the career benefit claimants believe is beneath them.
Turn the benefit system back into what it should be (a mechanism to stop people actually starving) and there would be no jobs for foreign workers hence no immigration.
I'm afraid you are wrong Kevin.. Uk living standards very high even compared to most EU countries ,
nothing can stop immigration.. besides company profits always requires low salary workers that UK citizens wont accept.. :-\
.. and this is because they are far too comfortable on benefits. There's no reward for getting off your @rse and working unless you can earn much more than the value of your benefits.
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The reason immigration is helping is because foreign workers are happy to do the jobs that the career benefit claimants believe is beneath them.
Turn the benefit system back into what it should be (a mechanism to stop people actually starving) and there would be no jobs for foreign workers hence no immigration.
I'm afraid you are wrong Kevin.. Uk living standards very high even compared to most EU countries ,
nothing can stop immigration.. besides company profits always requires low salary workers that UK citizens wont accept.. :-\
.. and this is because they are far too comfortable on benefits. There's no reward for getting off your @rse and working unless you can earn much more than the value of your benefits.
Spot on there :y
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.. and this is because they are far too comfortable on benefits. There's no reward for getting off your @rse and working unless you can earn much more than the value of your benefits.
It only works that way when the claiment has three or more kids to claim for. Try claiming & living by yourself on £65.00 a week. You have kcuf all to actually live on. If you're under twenty five it's even less.
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The reason immigration is helping is because foreign workers are happy to do the jobs that the career benefit claimants believe is beneath them.
Turn the benefit system back into what it should be (a mechanism to stop people actually starving) and there would be no jobs for foreign workers hence no immigration.
I'm afraid you are wrong Kevin.. Uk living standards very high even compared to most EU countries ,
nothing can stop immigration.. besides company profits always requires low salary workers that UK citizens wont accept.. :-\
.. and this is because they are far too comfortable on benefits. There's no reward for getting off your @rse and working unless you can earn much more than the value of your benefits.
Spot on there :y
Agreed .. spot on.. :y
but who can change the habits of community in a day.. a "Voted" politician ? ;D nope .. who tries that will be shot down in flames (and likely worse than that) :-\
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however, the other face of medalion must be examined .. I dont think Uk workers/citizens are given all those benefits quickly.. instead it took long time I think..
although I dont know the details of those benefits.. imo community must guarantee that you dont starve if you are jobless.. besides most of those companies offer really unacceptable money for work.. its valid also here..
as an example legally minimum salary here is around 250£ monthly.. from that how you will pay home rent, food, bills and transport and health :'( thats impossible.. >:( >:(
you cant live with that money even in a village.. most of those families work with all children wife and husband so that they combine the salaries and live together.. and believe me thats not life..
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however, the other face of medalion must be examined .. I dont think Uk workers/citizens are given all those benefits quickly.. instead it took long time I think..
although I dont know the details of those benefits.. imo community must guarantee that you dont starve if you are jobless.. besides most of those companies offer really unacceptable money for work.. its valid also here..
as an example legally minimum salary here is around 250£ monthly.. from that how you will pay home rent, food, bills and transport and health :'( thats impossible.. >:( >:(
you cant live with that money even in a village.. most of those families work with all children wife and husband so that they combine the salaries and live together.. and believe me thats not life..
In much of Eastern Europe, a big percentage of people still work in agriculture, especially village small holdings, so they can survive, with a very, very hard life if no paid job and just a hard life if you have a typical badly paid small town / village position (wages in big towns and cities are much higher). It is a hard manual life, but it also instills a very strong work ethic as in these villages their productivity scheme which is learnt at a very young age as children have their small family chores, is work and grow food, raise animals etc. or starve. Family bonds and community bonds are also very strong as they are all very much in this together. The lazy and alcoholics in this village life, tend to make a living by stealing anything they can get their hands on.
In good families they appreciate the value of education, so they tend to work hard at school as they know a good education and qualifications is an escape route from poverty, along with migration to use these skills in a big city. This is why there are many hard working skilled workers in Eastern Europe that are attracted to the very high salaries and standard of living in the EU and UK compared to their own countries wages.
In Eastern Europe corruption and petty theft is rife as a legacy of communism and very poor wages in the public services. Getting a job in the right place in the civil service like customs, tax enforcement, the police, as a doctor or teacher etc. can turn these very poorly paid jobs into very lucrative positions if you are so inclined and love your thick brown envelopes.
Unfortunately, we have in this country a lazy, fe-ckless life pays culture, with a small but significant percentage of the population. Breeding from 14 upwards gets you on the gravy train. The more you breed the more you get, lots of children means lots of benefits with this lifestyle of choice then being passed on to the next generation. Playing the benefits system (legally or illegally) to the maximum is part of their upbringing and their trade. Knowing how not to get caught when signing on at multiple dole offices, cash in hand working, faking disabilities are all skills and tricks of their trade. Any other skills and education are treated with derision, which along with the life owes me attitude, means they are not generally employable and if they were it would only be at minimum wages. Life on the dole like this gives a much better lifestyle than actually working at minimum wages.
For economic migrants if you can get asylum here from any third-world country then you have hit the jackpot as you get the full range of benefits, free education for your children and free treatment for all diseases, like AIDS, TB, Malaria etc. If you want to work or not is optional and why bother when you have an unimaginable lifestyle and standard of living compared to your home country.