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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: plym ian on 13 July 2012, 22:53:40
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just read this can't even look at a bird now with out law getting involved >:(
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Nicked-looking-woman/story-16530260-detail/story.html
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Had I been there they probably would have beaten me to a pulp with batons. :-X
Oh by the way, a 1664 or a BOBFOC is ok by me. :y
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a 'BOBFOC' LOL
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DD you should just be arrested ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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you can always look
just dont get caught!
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you can will always look
just dont get caught!
;D :y
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1664. tonight's tipple.
As for what it stands for on the street ... (shudders :o ;D)
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PCs have their targets to reach, it is no longer about justice, but targets.
Police forces get a nice earner out of police awareness courses, where the companies pay police forces for the contracts, it is the same with the in-pounding of vehicles and compound costs. IMHO this is MORE corrupt as it is officially sanctioned corruption and a direct conflict of interest in doing the job professionally, compared to countries like France and the Ukraine where a few € or UAH passed with the driving licence solves the problem as one is state sponsored and legal and the other is illegal.
Another reason for moving to the Ukraine, an abundance of very beautiful women and no chance of any fine. :y :y :y
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Watched an interesting programme on the Discovery channel the other day. It said that an awful lot of the SS and concentration camp guards where ex policeman.
As we approach the next meltdown, I wonder if the police force is recruiting the same/similar people that Germany did in the 1930s. I fear the traditional honest policeman is very rare these days.
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just read this can't even look at a bird now with out law getting involved >:(
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Nicked-looking-woman/story-16530260-detail/story.html
Nanny state tactics again and laws implemented to get you to dig even deeper into your pockets .... its a fair cop eh >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Watched an interesting programme on the Discovery channel the other day. It said that an awful lot of the SS and concentration camp guards where ex policeman.
As we approach the next meltdown, I wonder if the police force is recruiting the same/similar people that Germany did in the 1930s. I fear the traditional honest policeman is very rare these days.
Watched an interesting programme on the Discovery channel the other day. It said that an awful lot of the SS and concentration camp guards where ex policeman
Can you give me any other reference to this Manta - time, date or name of the programme? And if such people were indeed recruited, how does that shape whatever point it is that you're trying to make?
I wonder if the police force is recruiting the same/similar people that Germany did in the 1930s
That doesn't really make sense Manta as I don't think the police force - or the wartime German version of it - was wholly charged with performing duties at these places, so why would any future force operating at a time of the next emergency recruit ex-officers (or people who think in a particular way) to staff establishments that may well never exist in a conflict that may well bear little resemblance to the nature and sequence of events witnessed during WW2?
Also, by comparing an unknown quantity (the next meltdown) with a known (insofar as history can be relied upon to convey a wholly accurate representation of any given situation) is rather pointless other than to impinge the reputation of those people presently working as police officers - or hoping to do so.
I fear the traditional honest policeman is very rare these days
That's a vast generalisation in what is a very prejudicial piece Manta - on what basis do you to make such assertions?
As many will know I am an ex police officer and, being a big boy, can take (and have taken) a fair few insults from those who have neither time nor regard for the work the police must do, but it's disappointing to me to see how your comments can be painted in such general terms.
I have said on many occasions that I'm concerned by the way modern policing has developed to respond to present day threats (some perceived - others realised), to the behaviour exhibited by many of those in this society, to satisfy a business model and the aspirations of those within the force hoping to make it further up the ladder of power and influence and to accommodate political will.
I'm even more alarmed to see dedicated units of heavily armed officers being organised to deal with any situation deemed to fall within their terms of reference, more so, I’m further alarmed by the distinct possibility that general police units may well be drafted to deal with legitimate street protest in a way that reflects the political will of the day – but, when all is said and done, we need police officers on the streets to enforce the law in a fair, sensible and proportionate way and to maintain whatever semblance of normality passes for life on the streets of this country.
As I have been part of that Establishment I know the many short-comings it exhibits from time to time and the many failings of some of those members who have been/are part of it, but to try to suggest that the police force can in some way be linked to concentration camp guards and the supposed mind-set they must have had at the time is taking things to the extreme and, furthermore, is an insult to all those people who choose to serve their community by putting a uniform on their back and facing whatever society has to throw at them.
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just read this can't even look at a bird now with out law getting involved >:(
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Nicked-looking-woman/story-16530260-detail/story.html
Thats why i've just bought myself a nice dark pair of wrap around sunglasses :y ;D
Just got to do something about the drooling now :D :D :D
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PCs have their targets to reach, it is no longer about justice, but targets.
Police forces get a nice earner out of police awareness courses, where the companies pay police forces for the contracts, it is the same with the in-pounding of vehicles and compound costs. IMHO this is MORE corrupt as it is officially sanctioned corruption and a direct conflict of interest in doing the job professionally, compared to countries like France and the Ukraine where a few € or UAH passed with the driving licence solves the problem as one is state sponsored and legal and the other is illegal.
Another reason for moving to the Ukraine, an abundance of very beautiful women and no chance of any fine. :y :y :y
;D I can understand you Rods.. :) :y
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just read this can't even look at a bird now with out law getting involved >:(
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Nicked-looking-woman/story-16530260-detail/story.html
If you were unfortunate to get caught looking at my Woman wouldn't be the Police feeling your collar would be the RSPCA. So glad she is not privie to the forum. ;D ;D ;D
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Den, cant quote you as it went over the 6000 allowed characters, but here goes.
Ok, not meant to offend, but as usual someone has taken offence. The programme was probably on sky channel 531 Military channel as this is the one I watch most. No I do not recall the exact name of the programme. I was not tryng to infer anything in particular. But if I where to speculate. It would be along the lines of "those seeking power have an agenda" I realise you are an ex, and I know a 2 ex PCs both of these are old school are are somewhat disturbed by some of todays police.
"a vast generalisation" well yes I suppose it is, but don't we all make generalisations on virtually everything we see and hear daily ? One young driver who has an accident and they are all labelled bad drivers. One old driver has an accident and then the call goes out again for retests for the elderly, the list goes on. An old labourer once said to me "believe nothing of what you read and believe only half of what you see"
A couple of known examples.
My 12 year old (at the time) son and his 2 friends go to the woods (as I did as a child) they walk home and one of hs friends is carrying a thin stick about as thick as your smallest finger and about 18 inches long, very green and flexible. The police stop all 3 of them, and have to issue paperwork to my son saying why he was stopped, now that bit is important. Why was he stopped walking down the road doing nothing himself ? Why did the police even speak to him ? My son is not like me much, he is much like his grandfather, a country bumpkin who cannot get on with the way this country is going, rules/laws for the sake of it. We all used to have long sticks for flinging clay, and catapults. These things in the rght hands are perfectly safe. New policeman arrives in village and thinks we are no better than crooks.
I bought a moped, it had been off the road for about 5 years, no headlight no rear brake and generally looked like it had been off the road for a while. I decide to push it home through residential streets (non runner) About half way home a policeman on a motorbike pulls up about 50 yards ahead of me. I catch up to him and he asks a few obvious questions and checks my reciept and bt of V5 from the seller. Then I am allowed on my way.
The first example, make your own mind up. The second example in my opinion is of a PC doing his job and making the correct decision. Well done to him.
If the "wrong" PC had stopped me no doubt I would have been fined and have points on my licence.
No doubt you think I am wrong, and in another place it would be wrong. policing is something that needs to be done on an area by area basis. It is not something that can be blindly applied everywhere.
No offence was intended in any of what I have wrtten. But again having to defend.
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Interesting thread this and it's evolving to have 2 or three sub threads... ::)
Firstly. We've all eyed a pretty girl whilst driving along and nearly hit something/someone, it's one of those jokey conversations down the pub "Blimey, you should have seen this blonde up the High Street! What a pair of legs!! I nearly ended up in the butchers shop....." It's called driving without due care and attention and if the bloke was looking over his shoulder to look at the girl whilst driving, as the article suggests, then IMO it was a fair pull by the Police. However a bollocking rather than a fixed penalty would have sufficed I'd have thought! ::)
Consider this though. What if he'd mowed down a couple of kids while looking at the girl, because he didn't see them?? ???
Secondly. Rods, I've lived and worked in Eastern European and African countries where a few notes tucked in the driving licence solves the problem, in the same way you describe in Ukraine. However, any notion that the PC in Kiev or Kampala dosn't operate under targets is nonsense. These guys have to hand over a proportion of any 'fines' collected to their Sergeant, who in turn has to hand over a proportion of his take to his Inspector and so on. In short it's a pyramid scheme and the guys at the top make serious money, and put alot of pressure down the chain to ensure the cash keeps coming!! Corruption breeds corruption so they say, but when threatened with a night in an African or Eastern European gaol, we'd all hand the cash over. I speak from experience!! :(
Thirdly. Anyone comparing British Police forces to the Nazis and concentration camp guards should read 'The Holocaust - The Jewish Tragedy' by Martin Gilbert It's not really bed time reading as it is harrowing stuff and is first hand accounts from survivors of that terrible time..... :'( :'( :'(
Bit serious for me on a Saturday morning!! :)
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Den, cant quote you as it went over the 6000 allowed characters, but here goes.
Ok, not meant to offend, but as usual someone has taken offence. The programme was probably on sky channel 531 Military channel as this is the one I watch most. No I do not recall the exact name of the programme. I was not tryng to infer anything in particular. But if I where to speculate. It would be along the lines of "those seeking power have an agenda" I realise you are an ex, and I know a 2 ex PCs both of these are old school are are somewhat disturbed by some of todays police.
"a vast generalisation" well yes I suppose it is, but don't we all make generalisations on virtually everything we see and hear daily ? One young driver who has an accident and they are all labelled bad drivers. One old driver has an accident and then the call goes out again for retests for the elderly, the list goes on. An old labourer once said to me "believe nothing of what you read and believe only half of what you see"
A couple of known examples.
My 12 year old (at the time) son and his 2 friends go to the woods (as I did as a child) they walk home and one of hs friends is carrying a thin stick about as thick as your smallest finger and about 18 inches long, very green and flexible. The police stop all 3 of them, and have to issue paperwork to my son saying why he was stopped, now that bit is important. Why was he stopped walking down the road doing nothing himself ? Why did the police even speak to him ? My son is not like me much, he is much like his grandfather, a country bumpkin who cannot get on with the way this country is going, rules/laws for the sake of it. We all used to have long sticks for flinging clay, and catapults. These things in the rght hands are perfectly safe. New policeman arrives in village and thinks we are no better than crooks.
I bought a moped, it had been off the road for about 5 years, no headlight no rear brake and generally looked like it had been off the road for a while. I decide to push it home through residential streets (non runner) About half way home a policeman on a motorbike pulls up about 50 yards ahead of me. I catch up to him and he asks a few obvious questions and checks my reciept and bt of V5 from the seller. Then I am allowed on my way.
The first example, make your own mind up. The second example in my opinion is of a PC doing his job and making the correct decision. Well done to him.
If the "wrong" PC had stopped me no doubt I would have been fined and have points on my licence.
No doubt you think I am wrong, and in another place it would be wrong. policing is something that needs to be done on an area by area basis. It is not something that can be blindly applied everywhere.
No offence was intended in any of what I have wrtten. But again having to defend.
I’m not in the least offended Manta and you certainly do not have to defend your opinion based on what you have just written. I had to question your original piece as the example chosen was somewhat puzzling and of such a strong symbolic nature that I was obliged to ask you to expand your thinking - which you have now done and for which I thank you.
I have said many times that, irrespective of the duties performed by any officer in any given set of circumstances, he/she must act within the law, be courteous (but firm when required) and above all treat those people under notice how they themselves would wish to be treated.
This desirable equilibrium isn't always possible as the attitude now shown by some members of the public towards the police -and indeed the very nature of policing due to the changing demographic within communities across the country - has changed radically over the years. The net result of such changes has led to many instances where conflict between the police and the public has become the rule rather than the exception.
This is of course a bad thing because having some form of order on our streets requires a two way effort between the police and every citizen of this country – to have battle lines drawn as a result of unacceptable behaviour by either group can only result in the essential compact between the police, and those they police, to be lost.