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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: a2reed on 24 August 2012, 17:41:33
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Well as we all know they are great cars but with the youngest coming up to 10 years old soon, I was wondering if there was a natural successor..... Is the insignia any good ?...is it the new Omega as the Omega was the new Senator?
If so is it worth getting one next ?
Is there another high spec car that can fill the void?
I realise it's not all over yet but would be interested to hear your thoughts
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Currently nothing in the Vauxhall line up that replaces the Omega. i.e. there's not large exec, RWD cars :'(
Most likely you'll have to be looking in other stables for a replacement, unless you go 4wd :-\
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The VXR8 would do nicely if only it had more than one engine to chose from ie 2.8 v6 turbo as in the insignia and diesel choices as well :-\
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Well as we all know they are great cars but with the youngest coming up to 10 years old soon, I was wondering if there was a natural successor..... Is the insignia any good ?...is it the new Omega as the Omega was the new Senator?
If so is it worth getting one next ?
Is there another high spec car that can fill the void?
I realise it's not all over yet but would be interested to hear your thoughts
Dog ugly. :-\
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The VXR8 would do nicely if only it had more than one engine to chose from ie 2.8 v6 turbo as in the insignia and diesel choices as well :-\
Diesel fuel should be for vans, trucks and possibly 4x4's, whoever first put a diesel engine in a car should have been shot.
As for a replacement for an Omega I keep trying to find a B.M.W. that is within budget but without any rust, no luck yet... :y
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The VXR8 would do nicely if only it had more than one engine to chose from ie 2.8 v6 turbo as in the insignia and diesel choices as well :-\
Diesel fuel should be for vans, trucks and possibly 4x4's, whoever first put a diesel engine in a car should have been shot.
As for a replacement for an Omega I keep trying to find a B.M.W. that is within budget but without any rust, no luck yet... :y
Agreed,
Audi A8 2004 onwards reminds me of the Omega very much seen a few pretty reasonable in price, Not so keen on BMW's my self but each to their own :y
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Well as we all know they are great cars but with the youngest coming up to 10 years old soon, I was wondering if there was a natural successor..... Is the insignia any good ?...is it the new Omega as the Omega was the new Senator?
If so is it worth getting one next ?
Is there another high spec car that can fill the void?
I realise it's not all over yet but would be interested to hear your thoughts
Dog ugly. :-\
Your so so... SO right Opti.
(new 3 door Astra is nice though)
Vxr8, Phaeton, an alleged new omega form GM. Yeah right.
Although that get away driver that got 9 years for robbery and doing 180 in an Audi s5 (?) had me looking at v10 Lamborghini engined Audi estates recently. :-\
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Well as we all know they are great cars but with the youngest coming up to 10 years old soon, I was wondering if there was a natural successor..... Is the insignia any good ?...is it the new Omega as the Omega was the new Senator?
If so is it worth getting one next ?
Is there another high spec car that can fill the void?
I realise it's not all over yet but would be interested to hear your thoughts
Dog ugly. :-\
Your so so... SO right Opti.
(new 3 door Astra is nice though)
Vxr8, Phaeton, an alleged new omega form GM. Yeah right.
Although that get away driver that got 9 years for robbery and doing 180 in an Audi s5 (?) had me looking at v10 Lamborghini engined Audi estates recently. :-\
Lovely cars, Especially the V10 :-* ... More Classy than BMW, Merc etc IMO
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Drove a Jag XJ this week,very very nice,but at 55 grand+ looks like I'm going to be driving the Omegas for a VERY long time.No real hardship I suppose ::)
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Insignia is dull and boring to drive. But comfortable and economical (in CDTi engined ones).
No replacement for the Omega from Vauxhall.
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Although that get away driver that got 9 years for robbery and doing 180 in an Audi s5 (?) had me looking at v10 Lamborghini engined Audi estates recently. :-\
I was reading in the paper that the car he used was an £85,000 RS5 (usually their around £60,000) one of only two in the country with a "Lamborghini engine, racing car brakes and a panoramic glass roof", don't know how much of that is just over enthusiastic journalism?
The Chap that got nine years lived a few streets over from me, nice place, Wolverhampton...
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If it's got to be RWD, then you're limited to either a BMW or Merc. Neither of those do anything at all for me. Nor is FWD a deal breaker any more.
For the next few years, I'd be looking at one of the bigger Volvos; in fact one of those was an alternative when I bought the Omega. It's a similar type of car, big, comfortable, good quality, cheap, discreet, thoroughly engineered and largely biased towards comfort. Volvo models have always had very long lives, and the V70 will be about for a long time.
After that, a Skoda Superb looks to be an appropriate choice, without the dreary pretentions of an Audi.
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If it's got to be RWD, then you're limited to either a BMW or Merc. ......
and Jaguar and Toyota Lexus ;) ;)
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it's kinda a diminishing breed.
IMO, absolutely has to be RWD and manual
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it's kinda a diminishing breed.
IMO, absolutely has to be RWD and auto!
Fixed that for you Stu ........ :y :y
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Lexus is300 sportcross. More sensibly priced. Rwd, quicker, more reliable, more accurate to drive.
...or the 200.
Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
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Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
Don't see why the number of gears makes difference to 'quickness' ...... it'll just have more gear changes to make to get to a given speed. ???
Does that make SWMBO's Smart, with its 6 speed gearbox faster than my 4 speed auto Omega? Or maybe my R320 is faster still with its 7 speed auto ...... ::) ::) ::)
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probably does make it faster, just because it can be kept in the torque peak more of the time - especially for a diesel.
that's not the reason that they fit more autos with ever more speeds - it's all down to emissions regs, I'm afraid. More speeds gives more chance of meeting ever more stringent regs.
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probably does make it faster, just because it can be kept in the torque peak more of the time - especially for a diesel.
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Fully realise that for a diseasal ...... is the Lexus diesal? :-\
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Lexus is300 sportcross. More sensibly priced. Rwd, quicker, more reliable, more accurate to drive.
...or the 200.
Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
No class, Just looks boy racer / drug dealer :-X ;D
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Insignia is dull and boring to drive. But comfortable and economical (in CDTi engined ones).
No replacement for the Omega from Vauxhall.
I can't second that, the one I drove had hard seats, not a patch on the Omega armchairs. :y
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Lexus is300 sportcross. More sensibly priced. Rwd, quicker, more reliable, more accurate to drive.
...or the 200.
Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
No class, Just looks boy racer / drug dealer :-X ;D
I agree, just went on Auto Trader to have a look.... :D :D My Jeep Cherokee is doing me fine, handles like a boat but is comfortable, entry/exit height suits my nicely and better on fuel than my old 2.2.... :y :y
If I want to have a 'play' occasionally then I can jump into swmbo 2.6 and have a blast..... :D :D :D
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Mike, how does the Jeep compare to the 2.2 Insurance wise? ??? Oh, and how the hell are you old boy? ;D :y
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Drove a Jag XJ this week,very very nice,but at 55 grand+ looks like I'm going to be driving the Omegas for a VERY long time.No real hardship I suppose ::)
My replacemant for the Omega was an X350 XJ Jag - had it nearly 12 months now, just about to finish servicing it ready for MOT. Great car to drive, extremely comfortable, all the extras/boys toys, and very fast and economical for a big motor (better than my old 2.5 V6 Elite). Only an oil change left to do - got to take off the huge underbody shield to even get at sump plug/oil filter - getting it off ain't an issue, getting it back on on my own could be! Perhaps that's why Jags charge £128 + VAT for an oil change :o :o Would still recommend it though :y
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Mike, how does the Jeep compare to the 2.2 Insurance wise? ??? Oh, and how the hell are you old boy? ;D :y
Funny you should ask that Phil as I have recently been looking as our renewal is due mid September and I think we are moving away from Admiral Multicar.... :-\ :-\ Just waiting for renewal prices from them.
Both the Jeep for me and the 2.6 Mig for swmbo are coming out at around £270 with business use and fully comp, my Job is high risk, business wise..... :-X that is before I start really looking around, so pretty even really.... :y :y
And I am fine old chap, going to the caravan (Static) for a week tomorrow, supposedly for a break but Miss Vamps seem to have a heavy itinerary....... ::) ::) ::)
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If it's got to be RWD, then you're limited to either a BMW or Merc. ......
and Jaguar and Toyota Lexus ;) ;)
Regarding the Lexus - unless you are on friendly terms with a Toyota dealer then parts cost is eye-watering.
It goes without saying that labour cost from the official dealer is also substantial.
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Insignia is dull and boring to drive. But comfortable and economical (in CDTi engined ones).
No replacement for the Omega from Vauxhall.
I can't second that, the one I drove had hard seats, not a patch on the Omega armchairs. :y
+1........ :)
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probably does make it faster, just because it can be kept in the torque peak more of the time - especially for a diesel.
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Fully realise that for a diseasal ...... is the Lexus diesal? :-\
So why don't all cars have just one gear Andy D? ;)
A shorter single gear will accelerate quicker than a single longer gear.
Take my track bike. Cbr600 road bike. First race, flag drops and they all fwaarck off into the distance, the bikes dog slow. Why? They've all geared their bikes to the track. Lower or shorter gearing on the final drive sprockets. We haven't had time to sort our gearing and it's still stock at the manufactures top speed orientated figures.
But next race we have sorted the gearing and it's holding it's own into turn one.
So clearly we have a quicker accelerating bike yes? (don't argue, we just do ;D)
So put that bike back on the road with the same final drive gearing and it's a mare. Tops out at too high rpm, and the top speed is about, oh I don't know, let's say it's 1/7th less than it was. So how do we keep the acceleration, but achieve a higher top speed? As a manufacturer, you add another gear. Or even two depending on your engines power out put and a whole load of other factors such as comfort for instance. Because changing gear on a bike geared for Mallory Park at wot, is not a comfortable experience let me tell you. It's quick fire changes all the way.
Your smart isn't faster compared to a four speed omega.( although might just be quicker than a pram ;D ) Your 6 geared smart is faster compared to another smart with with, say, 4 or 5 gears. Which just proves the point.
If it had 5 gears it would either have slower acceleration to the same top speed. Or the same acceleration, but loose the final part of the speed range that gives you the original top speed. Assuming 6th is not an overdrive or something equally gay.
See?
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Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
Don't see why the number of gears makes difference to 'quickness' ...... it'll just have more gear changes to make to get to a given speed. ???
Does that make SWMBO's Smart, with its 6 speed gearbox faster than my 4 speed auto Omega? Or maybe my R320 is faster still with its 7 speed auto ...... ::) ::) ::)
The 1st 3 gears on the Omega auto are a bit long, so in effect its like trying to accelerate in too long a gear. Easy fix (for 3.0/3.2) is a different diff, but then that makes the cruising 4th gear a bit short.
As the auto gear change is reasonably quick (esp on the 3.0), I'm convinced that the gains in an extra ratio would overcome the extra change needed.
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Insignia is dull and boring to drive. But comfortable and economical (in CDTi engined ones).
No replacement for the Omega from Vauxhall.
I can't second that, the one I drove had hard seats, not a patch on the Omega armchairs. :y
I agree, you sit 'on' them, not 'in' them, but I drove 2500 miles in one in 2 weeks in June with no ill effects, which I was surprised at :o
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Oh, and it's quicker due to 5 speed auto, over the omegas 4.
Don't see why the number of gears makes difference to 'quickness' ...... it'll just have more gear changes to make to get to a given speed. ???
Does that make SWMBO's Smart, with its 6 speed gearbox faster than my 4 speed auto Omega? Or maybe my R320 is faster still with its 7 speed auto ...... ::) ::) ::)
The 1st 3 gears on the Omega auto are a bit long, so in effect its like trying to accelerate in too long a gear. Easy fix (for 3.0/3.2) is a different diff, but then that makes the cruising 4th gear a bit short.
As the auto gear change is reasonably quick (esp on the 3.0), I'm convinced that the gains in an extra ratio would overcome the extra change needed.
I have always said, although possibly not on here, that the omega needs another gear. Even discussed fitting the TDi 5 speed box from the Opel model. But as TB pointed out, :-[, the software to operate it on a petrol engine does not exist.
Although what I want from the car, probably doesn't fit with GM's remit of a comfortable executive saloon. But there we are. :)
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Gearing is always a huge compromise on any car. You can't satisfy the need to get off the lights quick and the need to tow a pikey wagon with one set of gear ratios. More ratios helps in this respect, of course. A 4 speed auto has such a huge gap between ratios that it can't keep even a V6 properly on the boil, IMHO, let alone a tractor.
Most people tune cars without a thought to the gearing, or perhaps just a diff swap. It's not cheap swapping gear ratios beyond that, but to drive a car that has a tuned engine with gear ratios properly chosen to suit it is a delight. Nice long first to get you moving without losing traction then bwaaap bwaaaaap bwaaaaaaaaaap up the rest of the box. :-*
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Ideal in a decent auto. Why only 4 gears in the omega auto though. Makes no sense to me.
Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
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Ideal in a decent auto. Why only 4 gears in the omega auto though. Makes no sense to me.
Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
I suppose we were lucky it had 4, in that the gearbox was originally a 3 speed with the extra gear bolted to the side. :y :y
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See?
Clearly!
It's been a long time since I was 5 yrs old. ::) ::) ::)
Your original post just implied that more gears = more speed. I can work the gearing etc out by my self ;D ;D
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Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
Precisely. It was state of the art when it first went into the Senator, then they never bothered to update it.
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See?
Clearly!
It's been a long time since I was 5 yrs old. ::) ::) ::)
Your original post just implied that more gears = more speed. I can work the gearing etc out by my self ;D ;D
I don't think it was that long ago, was it. Really. ;) ;D
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Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
Precisely. It was state of the art when it first went into the Senator, then they never bothered to update it.
see, being much younger than Andy B P D C, I wasnt into cars then.
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Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
Precisely. It was state of the art when it first went into the Senator, then they never bothered to update it.
see, being much younger than Andy B P D C, I wasnt into cars then.
I guess you were worried about the 3 speed sturmey archer on your grifter, and then suddenly along came a bike with a 10 speed shimano setup, and it improved your acceleration off the lights, of course. :y
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If the 4th gear in the omega is an overdrive, why couldn't they enable it in gears 1-3? Wouldn't it make it a 6 speed box then?
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Oh and my replacement 'Omega' is an E39 540i Auto. Love it too... bit heavy on petrol though :(
Think im going to end up breaking my Omega (currenly sorned) - just cant bring myself to killing my 4.5years pride and joy :'( :'( :'( Pitty really as theres not really anything major wrong with it, just because its worth so little its not worth the hassle/time. :(
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Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
Precisely. It was state of the art when it first went into the Senator, then they never bothered to update it.
see, being much younger than Andy B P D C, I wasnt into cars then.
I guess you were worried about the 3 speed sturmey archer on your grifter, and then suddenly along came a bike with a 10 speed shimano setup, and it improved your acceleration off the lights, of course. :y
Bit after that, i was more of a, 45 on my red line flight cranks, and an 18 on my Araya flight rims, man in those days. Bit taller than the everyone else's gearing. But I had the power to get off the line at the same speed as the others, and take advantage of the higher top speed later in the race. ;)
Then it was an 6 speed shimano cassete on me racer giving an extra two gear. No slotted gear levers in those days.
Followed by an extra tooth on the front sprocket on me cb125.
Not far off though Kev. Not far off. ;D
...cirtainly wasn't much back pedalling going on though. ;) ;D
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Ideal in a decent auto. Why only 4 gears in the omega auto though. Makes no sense to me.
Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
I suppose we were lucky it had 4, in that the gearbox was originally a 3 speed with the extra gear bolted to the side. :y :y
For someone so keen on accuracy of small points, I'm sure you meant front Mr B :P ;D
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If the 4th gear in the omega is an overdrive, why couldn't they enable it in gears 1-3? Wouldn't it make it a 6 speed box then?
Although not an auto box my 67 TR4A has a 4 speed box with O/D on 2nd, 3rd and 4th giving efeectively 7 speeds. By removing a blanking plug O/D 1st gear is a possibility ;)
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Ideal in a decent auto. Why only 4 gears in the omega auto though. Makes no sense to me.
Apart from the boxs available to GM at the time I guess?
I suppose we were lucky it had 4, in that the gearbox was originally a 3 speed with the extra gear bolted to the side. :y :y
For someone so keen on accuracy of small points, I'm sure you meant front Mr P :P ;D
Fixed!
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I quite like the vxr , maybe a bargain to be had if they didnt sell that well :-\
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/vauxhall-opel-insignia-opc-vxr-4.jpg)
:)
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I quite like the vxr , maybe a bargain to be had if they didnt sell that well :-\
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/vauxhall-opel-insignia-opc-vxr-4.jpg)
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And for those who don't like manual as much the Insignia VXR is also available in automatic, Same with the VXR8 :D :y
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That's the 4x4 one? Not driven one but it looks like it might be the next best thing. Cheaper to run that the Monaro!
J
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I quite like the vxr , maybe a bargain to be had if they didnt sell that well :-\
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/vauxhall-opel-insignia-opc-vxr-4.jpg)
:)
so do plod as well...kent plod have taken delivery of 8...wonder how long it will be before they wrap them around a lamp post :y
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In my opinion - NO there is no life after the Omega. It is quite literally irreplacable and the Insignia (I hired one with under 22 miles on the clock) was nowhere near as good, in fact it was about the biggest let down ever!
I will spend whatever I have to to keep my miggy in the best condition it can be because as said, there appears to be nothong to replace it with! >:(
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Seconded, particularly given the price that you would have to pay for the equivalent performance/comfort/goodies etc. :y
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Morning all,
I had two Omega estates for around 11 years-the first for 9 years and the second for 2 years.. As far as I am concerned there is no direct replacement for them. I'm not fussed on BMW's or Mercedes. I ran them side by side with my Range Rover for 5 years-towing wise the Omegas were as good as the Range Rover-but funnily enough there was only a couple of MPG different whilst towing. With hindsight I should have kept my Elite estate and lpg'd it (the wife used it the most for local journeys and at around 19mpg it cost quite a lot-replaced it with a £200 Fiesta which has been superb for the last 18months and does 35mpg around town.)
No other estates out there take my fancy so when it comes to replacing the Range Rover I'll get a newer model.
Regards
Steve
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Morning all,
I had two Omega estates for around 11 years-the first for 9 years and the second for 2 years.. As far as I am concerned there is no direct replacement for them. I'm not fussed on BMW's or Mercedes. I ran them side by side with my Range Rover for 5 years-towing wise the Omegas were as good as the Range Rover-but funnily enough there was only a couple of MPG different whilst towing. With hindsight I should have kept my Elite estate and lpg'd it (the wife used it the most for local journeys and at around 19mpg it cost quite a lot-replaced it with a £200 Fiesta which has been superb for the last 18months and does 35mpg around town.)
No other estates out there take my fancy so when it comes to replacing the Range Rover I'll get a newer model.
Regards
Steve
Same engine, I suspect. If you were towing a caravan the frontal area would be similar too so similar fuel usage to be expected, even with the extra gearing etc on the Rangey.
J
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Insignia VXR is not such a bargain, inspite of not selling well :-\ most were dealer ordered, not all were that well equipped, (demonstrators weren't that popular due to company car tax, so alot of options went unticked to try and keep the costs down) Private cars were generally built to order, therefore thin on the ground :'(
VXR8 has more room in it and is only a fraction less economical, less complicated, better exhaust note, is cheaper to buy, both have £460 road tax, so on balance the v8 is better value for money imho :y
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Insignia VXR is not such a bargain, inspite of not selling well :-\ most were dealer ordered, not all were that well equipped, (demonstrators weren't that popular due to company car tax, so alot of options went unticked to try and keep the costs down) Private cars were generally built to order, therefore thin on the ground :'(
VXR8 has more room in it and is only a fraction less economical, less complicated, better exhaust note, is cheaper to buy, both have £460 road tax, so on balance the v8 is better value for money imho :y
V8 you say ... thats a tough decision ::) ::) ::) gets my vote then ;D :y
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Life after the omega?? If il be needing a 4door then going towards the germans for the CLS500 (omega was made in germany too wasnt it?) if NOT then il be more gladly looking at a monaro vxr! (Already am anyway :D) :y