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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Wayne on 27 August 2012, 21:42:28
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Took my Omega to Symes from OOF in Cowley in Oxford today :y
he took the entire glovebox out to see if we could find the Heater Problem, and as to why when you turn the heating from Hi to Lo and back again, it wont go HOT, obviously there was nothing wrong in the glovebox in the VAC pipes setup after all! DOH!!
forgot who told me to take it out on here to see?
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swapped pipes around and back again on the HBV and still heating isn't sorted, so i have ordered a brand new HBV to see if that will cure it?
its the only thing left isnt it? just cant fathom out WHY it goes hot and then wont go back to hot !
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anyway, so then while checking Vac pipes at the front of the engine, Symes noticed one of my pipes broken and not connected so done some re-routing,
Symes.. can you clarify what you did again mate? i forgot! lol
as for the knock sensor problem! here ya go!! ta da!
obviously not bullet proof, it was caught and stuck in with the cambelt and had melted hadnt it Syme?
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so, error code 16 knock sensor signal 1 has now gone! hooray!
the car also goes like shit off a shovel because of it, and the vac pipes that are now working have given me extra welly! yay! :y
i`m sure Syme will comment in a minute, but again he has impressed me with his knowledge and patience with listening to me whinge on and on all day ha ha ha
cheers buddy!
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We told you to check the knock sensor cable, and where it was likely to be damaged ;). And I repeat, the sensor itself is robust, and doesn't need replacing. Its *always* cable damage.
I've also told you before, you have a vac problem in your heating. We've proved this ages ago.
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knock sensor cable has been replaced with brand new Bosch one
as for the heating, nope... its still not fixed!
but i think you told me take the glovebox out didnt you? which was a waste of time
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i am hoping a new HBV will cure the reason as to why when you switch from hot to cold and back again, it wont go HOT
the vacs are all on correct and plugged in correctly thanks
so, what else could it be?
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knock sensor cable has been replaced with brand new Bosch one
Waste of money
as for the heating, nope... its still not fixed!
I wouldn't expect it to be (assuming its the same fault as 2 or 3 years ago). As you haven't fixed the fault.
but i think you told me take the glovebox out didnt you? which was a waste of time
Why do you think that?
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waste of money to replace the obviously damaged knock sensor?
so what? leave the damaged one on then? >:(
and what is the fault then??? care to explain after the vacs have been checked that they are on correctly ?
you dont seem to be explaining yourself very well and talking in riddles as usual
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waste of money to replace the obviously damaged knock sensor?
so what? leave the damaged one on then? >:(
Repair the cable, like was suggested by many members on your recent thread. Simples. Free (aside from 5p worth of solder and heatshrink). I would have thought, with your hobby, this was easy, run-of-the-mill stuff. Surely you're always fixing cables that have got snagged/caught/cut/damaged or just gone plain faulty?
and what is the fault then??? care to explain after the vacs have been checked that they are on correctly ?
you dont seem to be explaining yourself very well and talking in riddles as usual
As explained to you on several occasions, you have a constant vac applied to the HBV. Or did when you brought it up here for something else to be fixed. Only it had got too dark to start taking gloveboxes out. So, *IF* its the same fault as you had then, then the glovebox needs to come out to investigate why the solenoids are not allowing it to drop the vac. Maybe its a different fault now, maybe you fixed that problem?
Sometimes, a little more listening, and a whole lot less "excitement" will make things much, much clearer ;)
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did you not see the condition of the damn cable?
i think for £12, buying a new cable isnt a big deal really is it?
and my Music isn't my Hobby, it happens to be my "job"
luckily, i buy DECENT cables, so in 12 years, i`m still using the same cables
as i have stated so many many times before, i`m NOT mechanically minded, so dont treat me like i "should" know what YOUR talking about okay? all i hear on hear is words from you mate, not "action"
Symes knows EXACTLY what he`s doing and at least he`s pleasant about it, instead of being big headed and sarcastic
weren't you the one that's knocked his Omega many times before? only to have been proven WRONG many times lol!
just to remind you, i play Piano, Keyboards and sing for a living, and although i`m good with my hands, i`m not mechanically minded
i`m bored now!
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did you not see the condition of the damn cable?
i think for £12, buying a new cable isnt a big deal really is it?
and my Music isn't my Hobby, it happens to be my "job"
luckily, i buy DECENT cables, so in 12 years, i`m still using the same cables
as i have stated so many many times before, i`m NOT mechanically minded, so dont treat me like i "should" know what YOUR talking about okay? all i hear on hear is words from you mate, not "action"
Symes knows EXACTLY what he`s doing and at least he`s pleasant about it, instead of being big headed and sarcastic
weren't you the one that's knocked his Omega many times before? only to have been proven WRONG many times lol!
just to remind you, i play Piano, Keyboards and sing for a living, and although i`m good with my hands, i`m not mechanically minded
i`m bored now!
1 ...... 8 ... 9 ... 10 aaaand breathe! ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) :y :y
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there was nothing wrong in the glovebox in the VAC pipes setup
Behind glovebox to the right are the two vac solenoids as in pic, one could be dodgy, as they`re interchangeable has this been tried?
black vac rubber pipes = hbv
black/blue rubber = recirc flap
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Having met a few Musicians, and having a few in the family, this ALLL sounds fairly normal to me Wayne.
It's a bit like teaching us lot to play a musical instrument. We'd be fe@king hopeless. ;D
Stick with it, you'll get the old girl back on track. Progress made thanks to Symes. :y
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and my Music isn't my Hobby, it happens to be my "job"
luckily, i buy DECENT cables, so in 12 years, i`m still using the same cables
My apologies, I thought it was an evening/weekend hobby, not your full time job. Sorry :-[
Most musicians I know, would think nothing of repairing a bit of coax. Hence the confusion why you were so reluctant.
as i have stated so many many times before, i`m NOT mechanically minded, so dont treat me like i "should" know what YOUR talking about okay? all i hear on hear is words from you mate, not "action"
Its a god damn forum. What else can I give other than words? I'm shit hot with computers, but buggered if I can make arms spring from your computer and fix your car. If I could, I wouldn't be here, I'd be on a big yacht.
And if you recall, I have fixed your car before, when you came here. And offered to assist you on Friday evenings when I was often in Horspath. But you thought your local mechanic was the dogs 'dangle berries', and Castrol Oil must be better than anything else available.
You can lead a horse to water...
Symes knows EXACTLY what he`s doing and at least he`s pleasant about it, instead of being big headed and sarcastic
Never said he wasn't. I have had the pleasure of meeting him :)
weren't you the one that's knocked his Omega many times before? only to have been proven WRONG many times lol!
Nope, never knocked his car. I did (privately) ask if his LPG conversion was certified, as I could see a couple of places where it wouldn't meet COP11. Then we chuckled together when mine started smelly of LPG ;D. But never knocked his car. Ever.
Proven wrong? On several occasions. Nobody is always right. Happy to admit it. But I think the diagnostic steps I give on OOF are 99% sound.
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well, then maybe i was hasty. havent tried the solenoid thingy as i completely forgot ::)
my cars now running great, just need this damn heating thing sorted and then the rust and shes like new! :y
so it looks like the glovebox comes out again, how can i tell if solenoid is faulty? or if just one is?
should i not bother to buy a HBV? and how much are they anyway, the genuine ones?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OPEL-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-2-0-2-2-2-5-3-0-3-2-V6-HEATER-CONTROL-VALVE-BYPASS-1820138-/330646790799?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item4cfc15a28f#ht_4180wt_1111
is Ebay not a good idea for these items?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-HEATER-MOTOR-SOLENOID-VACUUM-VALVE-ELECTRIC-PLUG-/310361662732?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item4842ff250c#ht_1133wt_1111
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-HEATER-MOTOR-SOLENOID-VACUUM-VALVE-/350336109931?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item5191a8cd6b#ht_1133wt_1111
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-HEATER-MOTOR-SOLENOID-VACUUM-VALVE-GREAT-USED-ITEM-/230833890360?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35bec5a438#ht_500wt_1361
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how can i tell if solenoid is faulty
Swap the recirc one with the HBV one
HBV? and how much are they anyway, the genuine ones?
around £35 from VX.
Don`t pay those prices for solenoids, if you do need one/two, drop me a PM
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Wayne - I'll repeat my offer, I'm always willing to look at it. Whether its the original fault, or a different one.
Unfortuantely, due to a fairly serious car accident a few months ago, it takes me a little longer to do fiddly jobs, so we'd need to plan something, and doing it on a Friday evening in Horspath is impossible given my problems - it would be dark too soon.
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okay mate, i dont live in Horspath anymore, i live near Faringdon (between Oxford and Swindon)
Stanford in the vale to be exact :y
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okay, i`ll go get some Coolant tomorrow and a HBV from Vauxhall from Swindon depot
i`m in no rush for heating fix as for some reason, if i press the 2 buttons on the climate control to RESET, sometimes
(and i say sometimes) the HOT comes back for the heating, and when that dont work, if i turn the engine off and back on, voila!
i then get heat, until i turn it back to cold and then hot, and then the problem reoccurs >:(
its a bit messed up aint it? :-X
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To prove it is still the same fault, here is a test I think you *may* be able to do.
Find the HBV (in a fiddly location at back of engine), and pull the vac pipe off it. See if that improves heating.
I need my beauty sleep now - lots of it ;D, but if you need extra info, I'm sure members can guide you on this easy, but fiddly task :)
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okay, i`ll go get some Coolant tomorrow and a HBV from Vauxhall from Swindon depot
i`m in no rush for heating fix as for some reason, if i press the 2 buttons on the climate control to RESET, sometimes
(and i say sometimes) the HOT comes back for the heating, and when that dont work, if i turn the engine off and back on, voila!
i then get heat, until i turn it back to cold and then hot, and then the problem reoccurs >:(
its a bit messed up aint it? :-X
Wayne - unless I've missed something, the HBV isn't faulty? No point changing if its not faulty.
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i`l ask Symes as ive forgotten again!! lol
i think the vac pipe was taken off and heating then came back, but then when turnt to cold and back to hot, the heat wouldn't return!
Aaarrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The HBV is there to allow heat to either flow through the cabin heater, or bypass it.
The idea being that when you need cooler air, it bypasses the heater.
Its vacuum controlled, and either on or off. From memory, no vacuum applied (such as vac pipe disconnected), hot engine coolant is fed through cabin heater matrix, thus you should get heat (albeit blended with cool air to get the right vent temps). From memory, vac applied (your fault you had 2 or 3 years back), the coolant bypasses the cabin heater matrix, and no heat.
Hope that helps explain why we are trying some tests before spending cash :)
TBH, HBV failures beyond the leaking problem that plague them, are rare.
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oh i see :o
:y
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agreed BUT sometimes they have diafram problems which means they dont work-encountered before so can happen otherwise as said before will have to strip out to check solenoids
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forgot to say that knock sensor lead had wrong plug so had to retrofit plug to do the job& vauxhall mechanic trapped lead behind auxilery belt tensioner-so good old vauxhall eh
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forgot to say that knock sensor lead had wrong plug so had to retrofit plug to do the job& vauxhall mechanic trapped lead behind auxilery belt tensioner-so good old vauxhall eh
Par for the course mate ::)
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cant believe how much nippier my car is now :y
cant wait to get heating sorted and shes as good as new lol (apart from the rust lol)
i just washed it again lol, came out quite nice again ;D
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I see no rust :-\ nice colour that :y
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i hid the rust well! ;D
ta da!!!
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Arh i see ... ;D pretty much the normal places for them to go , mine is similar but not near top door trim . Ground the rust off then treated to rust cure , if its bad needs to be cut out . Going to get busy with angle grinder on the rear arches on mine this weekend and tart the old bird up ;D :y
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do you wanna do mine lol?? ;D
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It may look worse than it did ;D Thing is you try and cut the rust out but where to stop ....? Only so much filler you can mix in one day :-X If i had the shackles i would drop mine into a bodyshop for the work ... needs must though so battling on with the diy .
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If you can find replacement doors it just leaves the arches to sort.The arches dont look that bad imo,could be fixed with bilthamber rust treatment and then paintwork at a body shop. Would cost a few bob to have done,so depends how keen you are and also your budget. It would make the car look nice,but you will never get the money back if you sell it.
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Hi Everybody!!
Hes done it!! Syme fixed my Miggy!! :y
i popped round earlier and this was the state of my glove box area :o
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if you take a look at the far right hand side Solenoid, one of the vac cables was stuck behind the solenoid and squashed to oblivion!
was that right Syme?? you know me, you work miracles and its all milk bottles to me mate!! ha ha
anyway, theyve all been made accessable and not squashed up :y
and as of now, my heating is working better than ever! and it changes HOT to COLD and back again with ZERO problems
and no error codes either! now that i have Vac, she flys! got 121 mph on the A420 on the way home! Shhh!!!!! ::)
and thanks to ROB G for flogging me his 2 Solenoids, didn't need them mate, so i have 2 spare now
mine were all okay in the end
unless anyone wants to buy the ones on their way to me for £10 (postage included)
also bought myself a pollen filter on the way home as mine was Black as the ace of spades! >:(
and if anyone's is interested, Halfords are selling 4 litres of Castrol Magnatec for £17.50!!! down from £28 i think
last thing that's left is the rust, and Symes doing that for me in the next few weeks ;D
i saw his handy work today on another persons car (a Mazda 626) and i couldnt even see where the rust was
Syme, your a genius mate and i thank you very much for your hard work today
at last, somebody that doesn't rip me off and knows about Miggys, unlike Vauxhall and yes i have to say, my EX local mechanic!! lol
Nighty Night folks
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So the heating fault was behind the glovebox ::) ;D
As for the Castrol Magnatec, I wouldn't stick that shite in my lawnmower ;D
Seriously, well done Symes :y
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yes yes yes oh Jamie! it was behind the glovebox :y
all bow before you, ha ha ha
amazing how a slightly trapped VAC pipe can ruin your life aint it? lol
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the one thing I still cannot figure out--how it got like that in the first place??? ???
Well job done told you before wayne am a hotrodder first mate omega to complicated for your average person to be honest dont care who wants to argue the point far too many things to go wrong and costly really - you need a sense of humour with these old buses mate-but when running properly they are nice and if had to make choice between my rover p6 or miggie p6 would win hands down mate :y
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i still reckon that about 8 years ago, shortly after a Nokia bluetooth kit installer bloke came round my house
he MUST have done it!!!! now.... where is his number so i can shout at him!!
The weird thing is, the heating was fine for 2 years after he installed it lol
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It was those bloomin omega gremlins again!!!
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Does look like a bodger has been in there, so mobile fitter is a sound bet, I reckon. ::)
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What's wrong with the Castrol oil? I was tempted by the price for my next oil change but is the recommendation here to stick with VX oil?
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Recommendation is to get a tradeclub card (by joining ABS) and then use VX10/40 semi. Buy 3 get 4th one free on trade club.Works out around £12 for 5 litres. :y
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What's wrong with the Castrol oil? I was tempted by the price for my next oil change but is the recommendation here to stick with VX oil?
Given the price, most people use VX semi synth - £50 for 20L (4x5L) is hard to beat. Even VX fully synth is only £73 for 20L (4x5L), making them £10 or £14 for 4L as a direct comparison to the Castrol..
Castrol also has a reputation for rapidly generating 'mayo' in the filler neck and breather system, I believe
(All prices are TraceClub prices, so you just need an ABS card - £25 - and local dealer in the TC network)
[edit] Beaten to it by Albs as I spent so long on my maths... ;D
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i have used Castrol Magnatec for 8 years, changed every 5000 miles, no mayo or anything
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i have used Castrol Magnatec for 8 years, changed every 5000 miles, no mayo or anything
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Sometimes, a little more listening, and a whole lot less "excitement" will make things much, much clearer ;)
The Vx oil is recommended by OOF because it 1) an oil well suited to the Omega and 2) on TC the most economic solution.
Oil change using 6 lits Castrol costs £26.25, and using GM 10/40w semi on TC (@£48 for 20 lits paid 2 weeks ago) £14.40 - no brainer really ;)