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Title: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2012, 15:32:55
Or, in the UK, Media Centre ;D

As regulars will know, its been pissing me off recently, suffering from very regular BSODs. Very regular. Like most times it comes out of standby ;D

Running through the crash dumps has not identified a specific error, though I have a gut feeling its associated around the audio card (onboard) and the Management Engine - disable either, the problem reduces. Disable both, it seems the problem goes away. Given up trying to locate the specific fault, given it seems to be something related to motherboard. Which would fit in with it getting massively worse after a BIOS update.

So, this lot turned up this week:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/IamTheBoy/2B0C3209-64CB-4CDA-8B9F-885C9F4FE900-5999-000003752D727B29.jpg)

And will be going in my existing case and using my existing tuners (Blackgold BGT6320 and Hauppauge HVR2200). Case shown with front flaps open:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/IamTheBoy/04917EA2-2746-4E9A-A3B4-34D80B8AF1A1-5999-00000375268F0E9A.jpg)

And no, it won't be Windows 8 ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2012, 15:36:32
Spec will be:

i5 3470T dual core 35W processor with HD2500 graphics
2 x 2Gb 1.35v DIMMs
3Tb HDD, connected at 6Gbps SATA
DVD writer, connected at SATA1
BGT6320 dual Freeview HD tuner
HVR2200 dual Freeview tuner
Windows 7 (undecided on 32 or 64bit)
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: Rods2 on 05 October 2012, 16:18:15
I hope this cures you blue screen of death.  :y :y :y

I surprised you aren't waiting for Windows 8, then it won't matter as you will not be able to navigate to get to anything anyway.  :o :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2012, 16:30:31
I hope this cures you blue screen of death.  :y :y :y

I surprised you aren't waiting for Windows 8, then it won't matter as you will not be able to navigate to get to anything anyway.  :o :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Win 8, whilst it looks a mess/inconsistent initially, doesn't offer anything (for Media Centers) that Win7 does. Plus, Remote Potato won't work. Oh, and Win 8 MCE is a chargable add-on.

But mostly because I have a handful of Win7 licences ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 05 October 2012, 16:31:31
1st snag.

Can't find my thermal paste anywhere. Nasty feeling someone borrowed it, and did not return. *Sigh*
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: aaronjb on 05 October 2012, 16:35:23
I have some AS-III, been in the fridge for a while but probably still good.. might be able to drop it off on Saturday afternoon if that's any use to you?

Your MC is a far cry from mine - a little Asus Eee PC EB1501P (Atom/Ion powered) running XBMC on Linux.. but then it does no PVR duties (never did advance further than a Sky+ box for that!).

I did hook up a new TV the other day, though; 70" Sharp Aquos LED..
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 05 October 2012, 17:26:32
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: STMO123 on 05 October 2012, 18:05:15
Please don't show any more pics of things with their front flaps open. Thank you.
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: Elite Pete on 05 October 2012, 18:06:13
Is that VHS or Betamax TB ::)
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: STMO123 on 05 October 2012, 18:11:04
Is that VHS or Betamax TB ::)

It'an 8 track. ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: dad1uk on 06 October 2012, 08:35:42
Is that VHS or Betamax TB ::)

It'an 8 track. ;D

Now there's a blast from the past ;D
I used to love my 8 track :y
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 09:08:04
I have some AS-III, been in the fridge for a while but probably still good.. might be able to drop it off on Saturday afternoon if that's any use to you?

Your MC is a far cry from mine - a little Asus Eee PC EB1501P (Atom/Ion powered) running XBMC on Linux.. but then it does no PVR duties (never did advance further than a Sky+ box for that!).

I did hook up a new TV the other day, though; 70" Sharp Aquos LED..
Picked some up from Craplin last night, so all good, thanks. Just need to get off my (slightly hungover) backside and continue.

I'm tied to MS Media Center for following reasons:
Using the XBOXes I've bought as Extenders, to use the MCE anywhere around the house.
Remote Potato for remote scheduling, and remote streaming/pics/music anywhere I have a 3G/Wifi signal.
Its my only device, except amp, under telly, so has to be capable of playing/displaying anything.
and most importantly...  ...its simple enough, even Mrs TB can use it ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 09:09:09
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
From the old MCE? It was an integrated Intel X4500HD. So unless you're shit hot with a soldering iron...  ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 09:10:19
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
From the old MCE? It was an integrated Intel X4500HD. So unless you're shit hot with a soldering iron...  ;D

Bugger! Was hoping to get a cheapo upgrade  ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 09:11:41
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
From the old MCE? It was an integrated Intel X4500HD. So unless you're shit hot with a soldering iron...  ;D

Bugger! Was hoping to get a cheapo upgrade  ;D
6yrs old puts it in P4 territory. Its done its time. Bin it ;)
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 09:23:11
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
From the old MCE? It was an integrated Intel X4500HD. So unless you're shit hot with a soldering iron...  ;D

Bugger! Was hoping to get a cheapo upgrade  ;D
6yrs old puts it in P4 territory. Its done its time. Bin it ;)

My setup does 99% of what I ask of it, however it struggles with massive file sizes, 720 it appears to play ok. But I've got a 10Gb Tron Legacy film it really stutters on. Film like that needs to be perfect quality, trouble is a decent graphics card is same as a small PC these days.

I'd probably get something like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/391204-lenovo-q180-nettop-pc-vc73euk (http://www.ebuyer.com/391204-lenovo-q180-nettop-pc-vc73euk)
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 09:31:26
Looking good, my "Media Centre" spec is about 6 years old  ;D

What you doing with the old graphics card?
From the old MCE? It was an integrated Intel X4500HD. So unless you're shit hot with a soldering iron...  ;D

Bugger! Was hoping to get a cheapo upgrade  ;D
6yrs old puts it in P4 territory. Its done its time. Bin it ;)

My setup does 99% of what I ask of it, however it struggles with massive file sizes, 720 it appears to play ok. But I've got a 10Gb Tron Legacy film it really stutters on. Film like that needs to be perfect quality, trouble is a decent graphics card is same as a small PC these days.

I'd probably get something like this: http://www.ebuyer.com/391204-lenovo-q180-nettop-pc-vc73euk (http://www.ebuyer.com/391204-lenovo-q180-nettop-pc-vc73euk)
If its just used for playing 1080p video, just get a modest video card that has the correct hardware decoders. I know ATI couldn't properly play HD on Windows Vista/7, a blended problem where Windows caused the GPU panic, and the ATI panic recovery was so slow, it looked like a stutter. Not sure if its been resolved.

Most modern integrated video can easily manage it, and has the advantage of less power, less heat and more reliability. Many modern CPUs have integrated graphics now,, and these are normally more than capable.

If its for games, the Atom is shite. I do wonder if the CPU and its associated chipset will be able to play it anyway
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 09:35:31
No games, got the Xbox for that. Used to be a big PC gamer, but got sick of constant upgrading.

So just 1080p videos is the use, current setup was "borrowed" from my previous employment. It used to run 2 x 40" screens for presentations, thought it could handle 1080p on a single 40", but appears not.

I'll remote into now and double check its specs, as I'm at work currently
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 09:51:40
Just got the spec:

AMD Athlon II X2 @ 781 Mhz
2GB RAM
Matrox Millennium P690 - PCIe x1
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 10:10:57
Just got the spec:

AMD Athlon II X2 @ 781 Mhz
2GB RAM
Matrox Millennium P690 - PCIe x1
You could try these peeps...

http://www.tnmoc.org/
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 10:14:54
Just got the spec:

AMD Athlon II X2 @ 781 Mhz
2GB RAM
Matrox Millennium P690 - PCIe x1
You could try these peeps...

http://www.tnmoc.org/

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: aaronjb on 06 October 2012, 10:26:52
781MHz! I haven't seen a sub 1GHz desktop processor in.. 10 years? ;D

Tunnie, a cheap £300 set-top PC will decode 1080p video with just an Intel Atom D525 and NVidia ION GPU - because all the decoding is in GPU rather than CPU like yours will be (struggling to do) .. I may try one of these next, right now I have an EB1501P:

http://shop.xtreamer.net/products/Xtreamer-Ultra2-DELUXE.html?setCurrencyId=3

Slap XBMC on it, have it sort & library all your media et voila. Add a Logitech Harmony One and you've a one stop home media solution simple enough for anyone to use..
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 10:33:59
781MHz! I haven't seen a sub 1GHz desktop processor in.. 10 years? ;D

Tunnie, a cheap £300 set-top PC will decode 1080p video with just an Intel Atom D525 and NVidia ION GPU - because all the decoding is in GPU rather than CPU like yours will be (struggling to do) .. I may try one of these next, right now I have an EB1501P:

http://shop.xtreamer.net/products/Xtreamer-Ultra2-DELUXE.html?setCurrencyId=3

Slap XBMC on it, have it sort & library all your media et voila. Add a Logitech Harmony One and you've a one stop home media solution simple enough for anyone to use..
The reason I have gone for the specific Ivy Bridge i5 I did is it has more than enough power to do whatever I throw at it (it has to last 3yrs, ideally), including recording up to 4 channels and streaming to 2 xboxes simultaneous, yet its a 35W (at full chat) chip (and remember, that includes video card...)
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: aaronjb on 06 October 2012, 10:39:14
Indeed, if I wanted full PVR functionality I'd go for something a bit more 'full fat' than a little Ion box; but then I'm assuming tunnie just uses a Sky+ box for that .. given his ideological leanings employment ;)

In my case, if I want something that records (other than the very wonky, creaky and on it's last legs Sky+ box) I'm likely to go for a .. crap, the name escapes me. Senility..
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: tunnie on 06 October 2012, 10:41:57
781MHz! I haven't seen a sub 1GHz desktop processor in.. 10 years? ;D

Tunnie, a cheap £300 set-top PC will decode 1080p video with just an Intel Atom D525 and NVidia ION GPU - because all the decoding is in GPU rather than CPU like yours will be (struggling to do) .. I may try one of these next, right now I have an EB1501P:

http://shop.xtreamer.net/products/Xtreamer-Ultra2-DELUXE.html?setCurrencyId=3

Slap XBMC on it, have it sort & library all your media et voila. Add a Logitech Harmony One and you've a one stop home media solution simple enough for anyone to use..

Looks interesting,  but I wonder if even that is too hardcore for my needs. That Atom Micro PC above ticks all the boxes and comes with Windows 7 out of the box
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 15:58:35
Well, the upgrade hasn't gone entirely smoothly yet.

The card reader seems to have weird effects on the system board, so thats cirrently disconnected.

The cooler didn't fit. Its an old P4 cooler, that went on the old LGA775 mobo without issue. However, looks like there has been a minor spec change between LGA775 and LGA1155 coolers. Bugger. Cooler attacked with drill and angle grinder. Fits now. Have to play wait and see to see if it still has sufficient cooling capacity.
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 16:01:35
Also, the internal firewire cable is not quite long enough.

Still, I can buy a replacement
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Akasa-IEEE1394-Internal-Extension-Cable-40cm-/300601973761?pt=UK_Computing_FireWire_Cables_Adapters&hash=item45fd461c01
Can't believe they have sold 9 at that price :o
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: omega3000 on 06 October 2012, 18:42:42
Also, the internal firewire cable is not quite long enough.

Still, I can buy a replacement
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Akasa-IEEE1394-Internal-Extension-Cable-40cm-/300601973761?pt=UK_Computing_FireWire_Cables_Adapters&hash=item45fd461c01
Can't believe they have sold 9 at that price :o

 :o
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 19:34:46
Now my bloody Win7 x64 DVD won't play. *SIGH*.

Thank god for FTTC broadband ;D
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 October 2012, 19:41:18
Now my bloody Win7 x64 DVD won't play. *SIGH*.

Thank god for FTTC broadband ;D

I always have that problem.......still perhaps i shouldnt use em as cup mats  ::) ;D

Important disks i always copy to HD, so that i can recreate a dvd/cd if needed  :y
Title: Re: Rebuilding my beloved Media Center
Post by: TheBoy on 06 October 2012, 20:46:33
Windows installed.

Just copying the recorded TV and other media over from the old drive...  ...about 1.5Tb...  ...going take a while methinks ;D