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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Bionic on 23 October 2012, 17:10:35
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After being lightly admonished for a disgusied word I am curious about its implications for all posters. Is todays society in general turning into a regime whereby we all must be extremely careful what we say or write in case we cause unintentional offence to some oversentive reader/listener and then receive an out of proportion penalty for it? I am sure that if I were to read some of the responses/calls/conversations I get then I have an absolute right to take offence unless I took a light hearted, tongue in cheek view of them. After all it would be a very boring place to be if that were to happen. Does life not already have enough who wish us to be miserable?
Has anyone else fallen foul of this type of incident?
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There are far too many people in this world who want to be a victim and blub cry and reach for the squeal like a pig at the slightest hint of a naughty word.
Banter is one thing but dam right bitchy comments and looking down there nose really pishes me off.
Me personaly, I couldn't give a toss what language folks use on here. I'm a working class bloke who is "what you see is what you get" but on the other hand, I can understand admins point of view on the direction they want the forum to take.
Everybody has a button that can be pressed and tend to have a rant on here accordingly but at the end of the day, if you don't like it, nobody makes us come on here ;)
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I don't think the level of swearing we allow here is too PC. In fact we probably let too much go.
The word you were pulled up on is beyond the line of what would be considered acceptable in most scenarios, and is a word that is considered by many to be offensive. Hence the request not to use it again, masked or otherwise (which the word censor would pick up on anyway).
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Been a while since I was lightly admonished. :-*
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It was a horse crop if I remember correctly. Those were the days.
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I am an ordinary working class bloke (Lab Technician) and I don't swear, and don't really like to hear or read it. That said I don't complain at what others say or write concerning swearing.
The freedom of speech should be written in stone in this country. I am great believer in the (rough words) I don't believe in what you say but I will defend your right to say it. People should be able to be rascist sexist or whatever ist they like as long as they are not telling others to kill or attack people of one particular group. I probably could have worded it better, but I am no writer sorry. The old addage "sticks and stones" comes to mind aswell.
But I totally agree there is an element is this country that is offended by anything. Rather sad really :(
And as tigers_gonads said everyone has a button. You are right, my button is cats. I could strangle some people on here when, even in jest they suggest bad things happening to cats. I am not a member, but could very easily become a member of a cats protection group and could easily do nasty things to people who harm cats. Sometimes it actually worries me what I would do if I came accross someone hurting a cat. This is not funny, few thing bother me, but harm a cat in my presence and Mengele would be considered tame.
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Political correctness - unfortunately this term became an excellent tool to shut up the mouth of Public Joe who just want to feel free to speak about his personal problems. In Hungary we can't speak about the colour of criminals's skin referred to the " pol correctness " that is an absolutely faulty clue so if somebody hurt you I'm really sorry but this is much more than free speech was prohibited. Make your heart a bit more hard and don't hiss up for all small shatter. :y Good luck matey ! :y
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After being lightly admonished for a disgusied word I am curious about its implications for all posters. Is todays society in general turning into a regime whereby we all must be extremely careful what we say or write in case we cause unintentional offence to some oversentive reader/listener and then receive an out of proportion penalty for it? I am sure that if I were to read some of the responses/calls/conversations I get then I have an absolute right to take offence unless I took a light hearted, tongue in cheek view of them. After all it would be a very boring place to be if that were to happen. Does life not already have enough who wish us to be miserable?
Has anyone else fallen foul of this type of incident?
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I know a family pub where you had a new hard drinking landlord who bought it, he attracted over time a group of hard drinking, always swearing and occasionally fighting men and their hangers on. All of the locals and families stopped using it and due to its bad reputation there never had any new regular customers. To survive they were then totally dependent upon this hard core and when they eventually dwindled in number the pub ended up being sold. Upon re-opening, the woman who bought it has transformed it again into a family pub so it is much busier place again viable business again.
If the landlord had looked to keep the place clean and family friendly rather than letting it be dominated by the badly behaved crowd in the first place, then he would of kept his business.
Now apply that the OOF website, the Admins set the rules and the standards of the site, if people don't want to comply with them then it is up to the Admins to decide how to deal with it in the best interests of the OOF site, ALL of its members, attracting future members and the sites reputation and interaction with the public at large. Members move on so they want it to be an attractive place for new members, so if through bad language, discussion content and behaviour no one continues to use the website, then OOF is no more. A business without customers is not a business and a members forum without any members is a bit pointless.
Personally, I don't have a problem with this. As it is a public forum, when it comes to language and content we don't know who is reading it from six-year old children to the EU PC thought police.
It is mainly a mens site, but lets keep it acceptable, so we don't have to hide the screen every time our children or grandchildren walk past and so they don't ask what acronyms like F*S or that %*!$ word means.
No I don't like political correctness, but I also don't like to hear people swearing in front of women and children.
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I don't think the level of swearing we allow here is too PC. In fact we probably let too much go.The word you were pulled up on is beyond the line of what would be considered acceptable in most scenarios, and is a word that is considered by many to be offensive. Hence the request not to use it again, masked or otherwise (which the word censor would pick up on anyway).
I must agree with TB, I swear like a tropper and am not easily offended, you can even call me white but there is one word that is very offensive to ladies. I use the word all too often in male company but never in mixed company. We must also remember that this is an open forum and lurkers may be put off from joining if it is percieved as being a crude boys club.
Using bad language has nothing to do with freedom of speech, surely you can express an opinion without profanity :y
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We have had this general conversation or one very similar a number of times over the years.
I am ex merchant navy and thereafter a career cop who was always hands on and not promoted to a desk.
I know, understand and can swear word converse in a number of languages as and when required.
Likewise, I can hold honest, intellectual conversation based on good manners and common decency.
I try not to blur the line between the two, unlike some.
Oof to my mind is not the place to cuss and blind as though you were on a building site, upto your elbows in mechanical bits or indeed, upto your 'dangle berries' in a ships bilge.
That is the line in the sand that the admin team and the greater proportion of the membership here understand and respect.
And that, like it or lump it, is how I view the matter.
Frankly not in the mood to debate it to the n-th degree. I've said my stance and stick to it. :y
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What' a tropper? ;D
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What' a tropper? ;D
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html (http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html) ::) ::) ::)
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What' a tropper? ;D
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html (http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html) ::) ::) ::)
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What' a tropper? ;D
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html (http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/readersrides/131_0801_january_2008_4x4_readers_rides/photo_04.html) ::) ::) ::)
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How to turn a typo into wit. :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Shame the OP has decided to air his views on another site, seems that if he can't do what he wants here he'll disparage the site elsewhere.
Teddy and cot comes to mind, and about the same mentality I guess... :(
I know how my opinion has just changed, :(
(and not a swear word, masked or not used)
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Shame the OP has decided to air his views on another site, seems that if he can't do what he wants here he'll disparage the site elsewhere.
Teddy and cot comes to mind, and about the same mentality I guess... :(
I know how my opinion has just changed, :(
(and not a swear word, masked or not used)
Well, that is a shame, and I'm not entirely sure why this thread even exists :-\. Its more than a shame, it actually makes me quite angry.
The facts are the OP used the C word (albeit partially masked), the post in question got deleted (by the Admin Team), I came along later and sent a PM to the OP asking not to use said word again here in the future. I felt that the C word is unsuitable for this site.
I like to think the PM was a quiet, friendly, private please-try-to-refrain-in-the-future, not a headmaster-has-spoken,-six-of-the-best public telling off. Clearly, the OP feels (or at least took it as) it was the latter :-[, and decided to post publically with more than a hint of anger and sarcasm.
I fully accept and understand I'm not everyone's cup of tea - I never could be - but I do consider myself fair, understanding and approachable. I also like to think I'm open and honest, and so prepared to put myself in the firing line in this thread. Thus my replies, and replies which are as I see things with Mr Admin hat on.
The Admin team are 6 individuals, with 6 different individual outlooks on all things in life, so our line in the sand way occasionally wanders slightly, depending on who is moderating. Thats life. We are humans, not clones. Thankfully. We are busy with our own lives, but find the time to give to this forum. Nobody gets paid (quite the opposite!), nobody gains apart from the odd feebie t-shirt etc.
2 of the Admin Team have steered this monster from the start, the other 4 have joined us along the way. Its a fairly soul-destroying task, and certainly ruins any enjoyment I used to get here, which probably comes across in some of the more searching questions about OOF.
Not looking for sympathy. Absolutely not. Personally, I'm at a place of not really worrying what OOF members say or think of me. But piss off the other 5, they may leave, and that wouldn't be a good place for OOF. What I am looking for is for people to (re)familiarise themselves with the guidelines, and try to abide by the expected behaviour set out in them. The Admin Team are not fun police, they are there to ensure the site continues as per its original ethos - a warm, friendly site where Owners can exchange knowledge on the car. Something I feel we are being dragged further and further away from as time passes.
Its a long time to the Lakes, and we have a long winter ahead. I do worry about OOF. Really worry.
PS: Not looking for brown-nosers, I personally don't respond well, as I get embarrassed. You may find we are testing the 24hr banning mechanism ;)
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I've checked a number of other sites this evening and all bar the one I cannot access (never managed to, ever.....) have nothing of note regarding the matter, so guess its on there and I simply cannot see it.
Perhaps its for the best.......
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired ;D
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At the risk of offending the OP, if you are not happy here then don't let the door skelp your erse on the way out......
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Yep, take your whining and moaning elsewhere, please.
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At the risk of offending the OP, if you are not happy here then don't let the door skelp your erse on the way out......
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Stop being diplomatic ;D ;D ;D