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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 04 November 2012, 14:03:31
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Yet again Hamilton is let down by the car/team.If he hadnt been let down so many times this season he would have walked the championship. McClaren needs some serious reorganisation imo. They are turning into a bad joke.
Pleased that Kimi is looking good for a win.Imo He is without doubt in the top three drivers of the current bunch,along woth Hamilton & Alonso.
Like his attitude too. A few laps ago his race engineer was rabbiting over the radio "blah blag,gap to car in front,blah blah,will keep you informed ". Kimi - "leave me alone,I know what to do". ;D
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Yep agree with you. I think Mclaren haven't done very well since Ron Denis was err evicted.
Grieves me to say it but Vettel showed good driving skills to finish where he did.
The only Mercedes finished out of the points . What has Hamilton let himself in for and what have Mclaren let themselves in for with Perez?
It was a good race to watch.
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Firstly McLaren never had these problems before Sam Michaels joint them from Williams, he has brought the problems with him, notice how Williams improved after he left :( :( :(
Great race, well done to Kimi and Lotus ( if only by name, Toleman and really Renault) , great drive from Vettel and Red Bull despite all the problems but I do suspect that Adrian Newey is up to his tricks ::) ::)
Enjoyable race, this is what F1 is about, controversy, skill, incidents and team work.
RON, SACK DAVID MICHAELS, AND WIN RACES :y :y :y
Varche ... I agree re Mercedes and Hamilton, and McLaren with Perez could be a swerved ball and then some :D :D
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I agree re Sam Michaels. :y
Vettel - despite his ham fisted attempts at racing against other cars early in the race he had a huge dollop of luck in the form of two safety cars.He also took waaaaay to long to pass Button who was on old hard tyres compared to Vettel newish softs.
The team also called Webber in for a stop immediately after instructing him not to fight Vettel when he wanted to come past.I dont think Webber even replied ?
They also changed his top gear for a very high one so he could breeze past people down the straight.
Imo his result was more down to good team management and good luck than it was down to him.I admit to being biased though,as I cant stand the cocky little prick. ;D
As for Hamilton going to Mercedes - It could bethe worst possible move or it could be very shrewd.Only time will tell.It wasnt about money as we first though as McClaren matched Mercedes offer but he still jumped.
Appaerently Mercedes had a board meeting earlier in the year to decide whether to pull out of F1 or go at with a blank cheque book,success no matter what approach.The latter argument won the day so they set about quietly restructuring the team.They recruited Niki Lauda onto the board and sent him to negotiate with Hamilton.They are apparently bringing in many new talented people from other teams,and Ross Brawn needs no lessons in how to go about winning.
Also,McClarens contract with Mercedes for free engines runs out at the end of this year,and the new turbo engines are being introduced at the start of 2014.Mercedes as a major manufacturer should be well placed to produce a top notch engine for then.
Interesting times over the next couple of years.
If McClaren arent careful they could end up on the same slippery slope as Williams found themselves on about 10 years ago.
The only thing I can see which is preventing this currently is the enormous budget,but sponsors can be very fickle indeed.
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The yocals around here are sorry to see the back of Shithead Schu, and are secretly saying its not him, its the team haven't provided him with a good enough car.
So doesn't look promising for Hamilton next year, although like Shithead Schu, he is prepared to "have a go". Good on him.
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As I recall, Mclarren could not change a wheel, before Michaels arived. I thought they got him in to sort the pit stops, no? :-\
They cirtainly sorted the pit lane cock ups, in any event.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LJ44UPrT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CvWa2wVKk
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And I do like Kimmi's replys on the radio. ;D
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The yocals around here are sorry to see the back of Shithead Schu, and are secretly saying its not him, its the team haven't provided him with a good enough car.
So doesn't look promising for Hamilton next year, although like Shithead Schu, he is prepared to "have a go". Good on him.
Rosberg is quicker than most out there imo,but although he has comprehensively blown Scummy away,he has struggled to get decent results. ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LJ44UPrT4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CvWa2wVKk
so yes...?
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The yocals around here are sorry to see the back of Shithead Schu, and are secretly saying its not him, its the team haven't provided him with a good enough car.
So doesn't look promising for Hamilton next year, although like Shithead Schu, he is prepared to "have a go". Good on him.
Rosberg is quicker than most out there imo,but although he has comprehensively blown Scummy away,he has struggled to get decent results. ;)
I can only say what the team are (privately) saying when I chat to staff. But then, what do they know....
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Not much by the sound of it. ;D
Regardless of that - I think their main focus will already be on the 2014 car. ;)
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And I do like Kimmi's replys on the radio. ;D
...and the podium. :o ;D
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As I recall, Mclarren could not change a wheel, before Michaels arived. I thought they got him in to sort the pit stops, no? :-\
They cirtainly sorted the pit lane cock ups, in any event.
If I remember correctly all those pit lane cock ups were after the antipodean arrived. His record at Willaims was to drive a good team further down the pan, look how they improved after he was shown the door.
As for Kimi, he doesn't need a lot of words to say what he means ::) ;D ;D
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Hes a real genuine character,which is a rare thing in an F1 driver these days. :y
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Hes a real genuine character,which is a rare thing in an F1 driver these days. :y
Loves the beer and women as well so I believe ::)
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As I recall, Mclarren could not change a wheel, before Michaels arived. I thought they got him in to sort the pit stops, no? :-\
They cirtainly sorted the pit lane cock ups, in any event.
If I remember correctly all those pit lane cock ups were after the antipodean arrived. His record at Willaims was to drive a good team further down the pan, look how they improved after he was shown the door.
As for Kimi, he doesn't need a lot of words to say what he means ::) ;D ;D
Only just before, and they, Mclaren heald / hold the world record for pit stops. 2.6 seconds?
Anyway, go Kimi. 3rd in the championship. :y
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Yep,surprisingly hes a real party animal (allegedly) after the season finishes.Although Ive heard he loves to sleep more than anything else.He can be sound asleep half an hour before the start of a race Ive always been a bit of a fan and was glad to see him come back. Hes done amazing things in the Lotus this year imo.Third in the championship is a hell of an achievement in that team in his first year back.
Makes Scummy comeback look like the sad joke it is. :)
Dont think he was much of a scummy fan either.He was his replacement at Ferrari,but didnt attend the presentation by Pele to Scummy before his last race before he retired the first time.Brundle wanted to know why. ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JWFEK5q88
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His reply... "Gay" ...probably. ;D
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Oh no... That's much better. ;D
Note to self, click the link first for once. ::)
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Ahh the ICE man back in winning again, good to see him up there.
I find myself rooting for Alonso, much as I previously hated him when he was at Renault. But this year he really has deserved it, putting in excellent performances time & again, with what was clearly a troubled car.
And ohh yes, glad to see Scummy being shown up again for failing in his "come back" year. ;D
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Ahh the ICE man back in winning again, good to see him up there.
I find myself rooting for Alonso, much as I previously hated him when he was at Renault. But this year he really has deserved it, putting in excellent performances time & again, with what was clearly a troubled car.
And ohh yes, glad to see Scummy being shown up again for failing in his "come back" year. ;D
Quite impressed witht he way Hamilton has been bigging Alonso's driving up in interviews.
Don't know if he means it or is just winding up Redbull and Vettel
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Ahh the ICE man back in winning again, good to see him up there.
I find myself rooting for Alonso, much as I previously hated him when he was at Renault. But this year he really has deserved it, putting in excellent performances time & again, with what was clearly a troubled car.
And ohh yes, glad to see Scummy being shown up again for failing in his "come back" year. ;D
Quite impressed witht he way Hamilton has been bigging Alonso's driving up in interviews.
Don't know if he means it or is just winding up Redbull and Vettel
From what I've seen/read they do respect each others skill, its just being in the same team was not a good combination.
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Alonso has done the same for Hamilton. Said that Vettel isnt in the same league as Hamilton - which is stating the obvious tbh,but theres often reasons why they say these things.
Cant deny Alonso has driven superbly this year and would rather see him get the title than Vettel. I cant ever be a fan of the man though. I will never be convinced that the "Piquetgate" incident happened without his knowledge and involvement,it just beggars belief.
I also thought his behaviour at McClaren was beyond disgraceful - he brought about the Ferrarigate scandal - he did huge damage to Ron Dennis,and imo the whole thing was a conspiracy to destroy Dennis (by Mosley & Ferrari) which Alonso was right in the thick of.
Hence,the fact that he told Dennis that he had designs for the next years Ferrari on his laptop didnt bring any punishment for him at all. In normal circumstances it could easily have resulted in a lifetime ban from motor racing. He got off scot free but it cost McClaren $100 million and Ron Dennis his reputation and to a degree,his lifetimes work.
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Alonso has done the same for Hamilton. Said that Vettel isnt in the same league as Hamilton - which is stating the obvious tbh,but theres often reasons why they say these things.
Cant deny Alonso has driven superbly this year and would rather see him get the title than Vettel. I cant ever be a fan of the man though. I will never be convinced that the "Piquetgate" incident happened without his knowledge and involvement,it just beggars belief.
I also thought his behaviour at McClaren was beyond disgraceful - he brought about the Ferrarigate scandal - he did huge damage to Ron Dennis,and imo the whole thing was a conspiracy to destroy Dennis (by Mosley & Ferrari) which Alonso was right in the thick of.
Hence,the fact that he told Dennis that he had designs for the next years Ferrari on his laptop didnt bring any punishment for him at all. In normal circumstances it could easily have resulted in a lifetime ban from motor racing. He got off scot free but it cost McClaren $100 million and Ron Dennis his reputation and to a degree,his lifetimes work.
Alot of fair points there :)
But tbh, I get the impresion that that sort of thing had been going on behind the scenes for years.
Just this time, the stakes was higher and the media got hold of it :-\
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There is a lot of tosh in this thread ;D
Still, General Chat is a place for people to express their opinions. Just remember, other's opinions may differ, and because you believe something, that doesn't make it so.
So please respect everyone's views :y
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Yet again Hamilton is let down by the car/team.If he hadnt been let down so many times this season he would have walked the championship. McClaren needs some serious reorganisation imo. They are turning into a bad joke.
Pleased that Kimi is looking good for a win.Imo He is without doubt in the top three drivers of the current bunch,along woth Hamilton & Alonso.
Like his attitude too. A few laps ago his race engineer was rabbiting over the radio "blah blag,gap to car in front,blah blah,will keep you informed ". Kimi - "leave me alone,I know what to do". ;D
find out next year how good he is , when he is with merc ;D ;D ;D