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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: alfie on 10 November 2012, 20:45:52
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Hi all,just need a bit of advice here,my son was done for not wearing his seatbelt the other day,but the copper didn't sign his name at the bottom of the ticket.
Is this ticket legal or not,at the time my boy was giving the cop some advice of how to catch some real crims,plus the cop was called away to a rta.
Alfie.
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He broke the law,was inattentive enough to get caught - cough up imo. ;)
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True I'm sorry to say,but it's nothing but easy work for the police round here.
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Lucky that rta wasnt him splattetrd through his windscreen. Pay the ticket and stop looking for a way out
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That wouldn't have happened,he was in a hgv at the time.
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That wouldn't have happened,he was in a hgv at the time.
Could have still happened and he should have known better!! As for your lad giving the copper some mouth (advice), he should grow up. No sympathy - pay up and take the punishment and learn the lesson ???
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A fair cop is a fair cop ok,he would be the first to admit this,what about the drivers who think it's great to munch away at a big mac whilst swigging a large coke down their neck. Doing all this while guiding the steering wheel with their knees,now be honest we have all seen examples of this,but they seem immune to being stopped by Mr Plod.
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having worked in A/E Have seen first hand what no seatbelts in a RTA means--not clever nor funny-waste of a life really
Pay up and be thankful no one hurt mate :y
I fitted seat belts in my 1962 Consul & 1965 p6 rover for protection
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clunk...click every trip ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A fair cop is a fair cop ok,he would be the first to admit this,what about the drivers who think it's great to munch away at a big mac whilst swigging a large coke down their neck. Doing all this while guiding the steering wheel with their knees,now be honest we have all seen examples of this,but they seem immune to being stopped by Mr Plod.
Was your lad doing this? No??
He was not wearing a seatbelt and by the sounds of your description, was giving a good version of failing the attitude test. Yes, I know attitude falls both ways but a busy cop (as this was, being was sent to an RTA etc) does not need a bit of lip for a clear case.
If your lad wants to argue the toss, simply don't pay it and have his day in court as he is entitled to do.
Ps - was he or was he not wearing his seatbelt, BTW??
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And yes, perhaps the ticket will be void.
But the magistrates fixed penalty that will follow in a few weeks will be perfectly acceptable.
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You should tell your boy to belt up!!! Especially when the PC is writing the ticket!! ::)
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You should tell your boy to belt up!!! Especially when the PC is writing the ticket!! ::)
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Constantly have to kick myself to remember to put mine on :-[
3 years driving a Hackney carriage, (and not wearing one), is a hard habit to break ::)
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Constantly have to kick myself to remember to put mine on :-[
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Buy a Merc .............. talk about the Nanny State! ??? ??? First off, you get gentle 'ding' as a reminder ,if you ignore it, it gets a little louder - if you have the audacity to ignore it still, it then goes mad at you so you put the bugger on to shut the barsteward up. And I thought that I had a choice! (not from a legal point of view on the road ;))
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That wouldn't have happened,he was in a hgv at the time.
Yeah, no need for seat belts in a HGV. ::)
http://youtu.be/TnhfuI6AZaM
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Just pay the fine and belt up. ;) ;) Lesson learned :y
However if you were a millionaire celebrity you can drived pissed as a skunk and get away with it >:( >:( >:(
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My old Altea was a bit like that ::) it did at least shut up after a mile or so...
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I got caught many years ago as a multi-drop lorry driver (which was then an official exemption, not any more) but decided it was easier to pay the fine ;)
He was in the wrong for not wearing it and again for giving lip... Pay up IMO ;) At the end of the day, it's not like be gets points for it ::)
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I got caught many years ago as a multi-drop lorry driver (which was then an official exemption, not any more) but decided it was easier to pay the fine ;)
He was in the wrong for not wearing it and again for giving lip... Pay up IMO ;) At the end of the day, it's not like be gets points for it ::)
:o :o Begining to wonder who has had more Jobs, your or me.....I thought I had done just about everything................. :D :D :D
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Constantly have to kick myself to remember to put mine on :-[
3 years driving a Hackney carriage, (and not wearing one), is a hard habit to break ::)
i spent several years driving a Cab, with a joint operator licence (so, Hackney AND Private Hire )
i ALWAYS wore a seatbelt.
saved my life at least twice.
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I got a ticket for not wearing a seat belt. It was 12 quid!!! Show's how long ago that was :-[
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You should be pleased he got caught, it might teach him a lesson, and more importantly, one day, save his life.
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Lucky that rta wasnt him splattetrd through his windscreen. Pay the ticket and stop looking for a way out
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Constantly have to kick myself to remember to put mine on :-[
3 years driving a Hackney carriage, (and not wearing one), is a hard habit to break ::)
i spent several years driving a Cab, with a joint operator licence (so, Hackney AND Private Hire )
i ALWAYS wore a seatbelt.
saved my life at least twice.
Perhaps I have been lucky :-\ Always wore one before, and always wear it now :y
The only distinction bet Hackney carriage and Private hire, is that Private Hire drivers are only exempt if they have a fare on board. Should someone pull a knife on you, or attack you then the seatbelt is an extra complication
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I used to drive a van for 9 years never wore a seat belt till I got caught one day no belt and on the phone so double whammy, after that I always used to wear my belt and used a bluetooth as well :y
just pay the fine end of he got caught no need to fight it, cause next time he may be not as lucky gobbing off to the same copper who attends one through the windscreen :)
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Love the OP.
Wasn't wearing his belt, so breaking the law. Then decides to be a smart arse. That wont help his cause either. Now you want to know if the ticket is legal? Probably not, but like some one above said, the court fine will be completely legal and probably cost a lot more than the ticket per se.
Plus maybe instead of trying to get out of it, you should be thanking the cop for getting your son to learn to look after his life.
I have a 25 year old I am looking after now who cannot move from the neck down due to a RTA. And guess what, his biggest regret is that he wasn't wearing a seatbelt at that time, so got thrown out of the car.
If it was my son I would be giving him a good talking to, instead of promoting/protecting his stupidity.
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I don't have to wear a seat belt as far as I know ( disabled) but I always do and always have done as far as I can remember, even before it became a legal requirement. It make sense :y :y
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Even if the law allowed for you not to wear a seatbelt, why wouldn't you? It takes seconds to put on and, as far as I am concerned, is not at all restrictive.
I actually feel as though something is not right if I pull away without putting it on, feel kind of 'naked'.... :o
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There's a whole load answers here regarding the whys & wherefores of why we should be wearing the seat belt in the first place .......... doesn't really enter into the original question of the legality of the ticket.
I'd pay up & take the hit. But as to having to wear the belt in the first place :-\ ............... I was about 21 when the seat belt laws came out. As I knew everything then ::), I never used to wear it until the law said I had to. And in all honesty probably still wouldn't if I didn't have to (if I could shut the buzzer up in the Merc ::))
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.......... doesn't really enter into the original question of the legality of the ticket.
I'd pay up & take the hit......
As I said earlier, the ticket may well be questionable as far as a ticket goes but I know from experience that if the son of the OP decides to not pay then a fixed penalty ticket of a different sort - but with the same penalty - is generated on behalf of the Court after the 28 day payment window.
Likewise, I have seen errors on said tickets that went all the way to trial in a Court in front of the great and the good and all that was done when the error was finally offerred up as a get out of jail card by the defendant, the prosecutor simply took the ticket/summons/copy complaint and corrected the date/address/reg number/whatever and simply burst the bubble of the defendant in front of the Court.
I know how I would deal with it but its the sons call, ultimately. :y
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Gee thanks for a real answer to my question Hotel 21,thats all that I wanted answered without being burned at the stake by some members on here that seem to have never put a foot wrong in the eyes of the law.
I guess that a £60 fixed penalty fine is not so bad,as contesting the ticket in court,and losing.
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Alfie - my apologies. I answered your query on page one of this thread but it was not perhaps as clear as I have since made it. :y
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.......... doesn't really enter into the original question of the legality of the ticket.
I'd pay up & take the hit......
As I said earlier, the ticket may well be questionable as far as a ticket goes but I know from experience that if the son of the OP decides to not pay then a fixed penalty ticket of a different sort - but with the same penalty - is generated on behalf of the Court after the 28 day payment window.
Likewise, I have seen errors on said tickets that went all the way to trial in a Court in front of the great and the good and all that was done when the error was finally offerred up as a get out of jail card by the defendant, the prosecutor simply took the ticket/summons/copy complaint and corrected the date/address/reg number/whatever and simply burst the bubble of the defendant in front of the Court.
I know how I would deal with it but its the sons call, ultimately. :y
I once got a parking ticket , for being on double yellows a tad longer than allowed, that had the reg number slightly incorrect. I never paid it....since that reg number wasnt my car ;D
However that wouldnt work now, since they take piccies of the reg number ;)
Oh and i got a no seatbelt ticket once upon a time, before i was a cabby......£10 fine then.
And for some reason, since driving 9 seaters, i never put on my seatbelt and never had my collar felt for it......im not totally sure all pc's understand the law concerning seatbelts and private hire/taxi's, so just dont bother to pull me in case their wrong :-\
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I know of a couple of Private Hire drivers who have been busted for not wearing on their way to jobs, usually a result of being given a gentle tug to slow them down a bit. They then give it large because they're in a rush and see £s being flushed away. Copper then reciprocates with a ticket for the seatbelt. ::)
Can't help some people... ;D
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Gee thanks for a real answer to my question Hotel 21,thats all that I wanted answered without being burned at the stake by some members on here that seem to have never put a foot wrong in the eyes of the law.
I guess that a £60 fixed penalty fine is not so bad,as contesting the ticket in court,and losing.
Just got a ticket for speeding - difference is mate I didn't give the coppers a load of verbal and I will pay up without all the whingeing. At the end of the day my fault - bloody annoying though!!
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Gee thanks for a real answer to my question Hotel 21,thats all that I wanted answered without being burned at the stake by some members on here that seem to have never put a foot wrong in the eyes of the law.
I guess that a £60 fixed penalty fine is not so bad,as contesting the ticket in court,and losing.
Just got a ticket for speeding - difference is mate I didn't give the coppers a load of verbal and I will pay up without all the whingeing. At the end of the day my fault - bloody annoying though!!
Neither did alfie ....... he was just asking the question ::) ::)
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Even if the law allowed for you not to wear a seatbelt, why wouldn't you? It takes seconds to put on and, as far as I am concerned, is not at all restrictive.
I actually feel as though something is not right if I pull away without putting it on, feel kind of 'naked'.... :o
:y Me too.
Always have worn a seat belt, even before it became compulsory.
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Gee thanks for a real answer to my question Hotel 21,thats all that I wanted answered without being burned at the stake by some members on here that seem to have never put a foot wrong in the eyes of the law.
I guess that a £60 fixed penalty fine is not so bad,as contesting the ticket in court,and losing.
I cannot see the original question being anything other than a "Is there any way my son can get out of the responsibility of paying for his error". Hence the replies. The legal answer was on the first page anyway.
I suspect the quote about catching real crims/others burger munching, then looked like an attempt trying to shirk responsibility. Maybe thats why you got so many replies?
I have made many a mistake in my life. And quietly paid my dues, be it emotional or financial.
In respect to the highlighted statement above, I would be happy and even consider asking for the fine to be doubled if it can get the message into my child's head that he needs to buckle up for his own safety. Would you rather that he ended up with a serious physical injury before he learns a lesson on personal safety?
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That's all I asked was the ticket legal,Hotel 21 answered that perfectly and I thank him for that.Now I must explain my BOY is 38 yrs old and 16 stone (notice real weight not euro rubbish) so theres not a lot hope for me to beat him with a stick to change his ways.
Alfie
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That's all I asked was the ticket legal,Hotel 21 answered that perfectly and I thank him for that.Now I must explain my BOY is 38 yrs old and 16 stone (notice real weight not euro rubbish) so theres not a lot hope for me to beat him with a stick to change his ways.
Alfie
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Im sure he wont forget his seatbelt again :y
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That's all I asked was the ticket legal,Hotel 21 answered that perfectly and I thank him for that.Now I must explain my BOY is 38 yrs old and 16 stone (notice real weight not euro rubbish) so theres not a lot hope for me to beat him with a stick to change his ways.
Alfie
16 stone!!! :o Christ he'd really fly through that windscreen and God help anyone who got in the way!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Update on the ticket,phoned the son last night with the advice given. He says ok,but also says the ticket was not signed by the PC and that he never signed anything to say that he had received it,is this normal.
I told him just to pay the fine and don't do it again,but he's a pig headed little git.
Alfie.
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I told him just to pay the fine and don't do it again,but he's a pig headed little git.
Alfie.
You can lead a horse to water ........... ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Update on the ticket,phoned the son last night with the advice given. He says ok,but also says the ticket was not signed by the PC and that he never signed anything to say that he had received it,is this normal.
I told him just to pay the fine and don't do it again,but he's a pig headed little git.
Alfie.
I don't think so :D :D ;D ;D ;D
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Update on the ticket,phoned the son last night with the advice given. He says ok,but also says the ticket was not signed by the PC and that he never signed anything to say that he had received it,is this normal.
I told him just to pay the fine and don't do it again,but he's a pig headed little git.
Alfie.
As per Hotel21's original statement:
As I said earlier, the ticket may well be questionable as far as a ticket goes but I know from experience that if the son of the OP decides to not pay then a fixed penalty ticket of a different sort - but with the same penalty - is generated on behalf of the Court after the 28 day payment window.
Likewise, I have seen errors on said tickets that went all the way to trial in a Court in front of the great and the good and all that was done when the error was finally offerred up as a get out of jail card by the defendant, the prosecutor simply took the ticket/summons/copy complaint and corrected the date/address/reg number/whatever and simply burst the bubble of the defendant in front of the Court.
I know how I would deal with it but its the sons call, ultimately. :y
Pretty clear really :y
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
Might try that on swmbo as well, you never know.... :D :D :D
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
Might try that on swmbo as well, you never know.... :D :D :D
I wouldn't Mike if I was you ???
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
Might try that on swmbo as well, you never know.... :D :D :D
I wouldn't Mike if I was you ???
You might have a point..... :y :y
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
Might try that on swmbo as well, you never know.... :D :D :D
I wouldn't Mike if I was you ???
You might have a point..... :y :y
More to the 'point' Mike, so might she, on the end of a bloody big stick! ;D :y
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Do what I do with my kids now,and that is tell them that they are now their own people and all grown up, and as they have known absolutely every thing from the age of twelve then my opinion is of little or no value ::)
Might try that on swmbo as well, you never know.... :D :D :D
I wouldn't Mike if I was you ???
You might have a point..... :y :y
More to the 'point' Mike, so might she, on the end of a bloody big stick! ;D :y
Why do you think I keep her away from your Mrs........... :D :D :D
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I've got to admit, it does grip your shit getting a fixed penalty notice. I took my dog to the park for her morning walk today, paid 60p for an hour. I was eight minutes late getting back to the car and have a ticket for £45.
I'll have to pay, of course, but I am considering giving the dog a good kicking.
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I've got to admit, it does grip your shit getting a fixed penalty notice. I took my dog to the park for her morning walk today, paid 60p for an hour. I was eight minutes late getting back to the car and have a ticket for £45.
I'll have to pay, of course, but I am considering giving the dog a good kicking.
Tell them the dog was driving ::)