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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: PaulW on 14 April 2008, 19:42:31
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Been pondering the idea for a few years in all fairness, and think I may well bite the bullet...
I have *never* ridden a bike before, nor been a passenger on one, so no idea what there like. But for the 3 weeks of the year we might get sun in this country, I'm considering it purely for the experience.
Reading into this Direct Access scheme they do, where you basically learn on a bigger bike and once passed can ride them straight off. Seems a good idea to be honest!
Also not quite sure what kind of bike to get... Any suggestions which may be good?? I actually like older-styled bikes (like the Norton 961SS) than all the sporty ones, but also want something which would sound nice :)
(http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/images/pic_bikefront.jpg)
kinda like that :)
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
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Direct Access is way to go. As part of it, you do CBT anyway.
But don't go out and buy a lunatic bike - stick with a 500 twin or something like SV650 twin for a couple of years.
And most importantly, keep it upright - it rather hurts more the older you get - I'm still suffering nearly 3yrs later :'(
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
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Nah I'm not big into these lunatic bikes, hence saying about the Norton, its the styling which is the main thing I like about it! 961cc tho... and way out of my price range...
I'll definitely be keeping upright, rather enjoy the thing properly instead of going as fast as is possible.
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A Bandit is a nice bike, got the older look being able to see the engine and if you do come off no faring to damage IMO :y
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
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Have a look at the fairly recent Kawasaki W650 twin -- looks just like my 1970 Triumph Bonneville -- only a lot more reliable and oil leak free I should think.
Also won't scare you sh#tless when you wind it on a bit ;D ;D
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Definately look at nothing bigger than 600/650cc. Depends what sort of budget you're looking at. The SV650 is apparently a very forgiving bike but I'd probably look for something like a Fazer (or FZ6 I think they're called now!) which will give a little retro look without the big bucks. On top of that they can keep up with the sports bikes round the twisties too!! ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
As a (part time) biker, I would have to say there are far more poor car drivers than bikers - no indication, lane changing without warning, pulling out, overtaking bikes closely, following too closely...
And going to work, I'm not a big weaver - but I do have the power and performance to overtake quickly and cleanly. And get past the big traffic queues of stupid parents to rather lazy to walk their rather little brats 400 rather yards to their rather schools. rather chavs.
Opps, started going into a rant then...
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
As a (part time) biker, I would have to say there are far more poor car drivers than bikers - no indication, lane changing without warning, pulling out, overtaking bikes closely, following too closely...
And going to work, I'm not a big weaver - but I do have the power and performance to overtake quickly and cleanly. And get past the big traffic queues of stupid parents to rather lazy to walk their rather little brats 400 rather yards to their rather schools. rather chavs.
Opps, started going into a rant then...
Rediculous when was the last time you saw a motor bike riding at the speed limit in a lane of traffic? It just doesnt happen wreckless beyond belief including the guy who flew round the outside of me last year on a slip road to a motorway when he lost it in front of my bumper and i nearly squashed is head only for the fact i guessed to swerve the right way he is still here today riding his bike thats nice and quick to overtake traffic safely well what he thought was safely. Dont get me wrong i dont clame to be a saint on the road myself but some of the riding you see from motor bikes is just plain stupid and far worse than what i personally have seen from cars.
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
As a (part time) biker, I would have to say there are far more poor car drivers than bikers - no indication, lane changing without warning, pulling out, overtaking bikes closely, following too closely...
And going to work, I'm not a big weaver - but I do have the power and performance to overtake quickly and cleanly. And get past the big traffic queues of stupid parents to rather lazy to walk their rather little brats 400 rather yards to their rather schools. rather chavs.
Opps, started going into a rant then...
Rediculous when was the last time you saw a motor bike riding at the speed limit in a lane of traffic? It just doesnt happen wreckless beyond belief including the guy who flew round the outside of me last year on a slip road to a motorway when he lost it in front of my bumper and i nearly squashed is head only for the fact i guessed to swerve the right way he is still here today riding his bike thats nice and quick to overtake traffic safely well what he thought was safely. Dont get me wrong i dont clame to be a saint on the road myself but some of the riding you see from motor bikes is just plain stupid and far worse than what i personally have seen from cars.
About 2hrs ago, now you mention it ;)
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
As a (part time) biker, I would have to say there are far more poor car drivers than bikers - no indication, lane changing without warning, pulling out, overtaking bikes closely, following too closely...
And going to work, I'm not a big weaver - but I do have the power and performance to overtake quickly and cleanly. And get past the big traffic queues of stupid parents to rather lazy to walk their rather little brats 400 rather yards to their rather schools. rather chavs.
Opps, started going into a rant then...
Rediculous when was the last time you saw a motor bike riding at the speed limit in a lane of traffic? It just doesnt happen wreckless beyond belief including the guy who flew round the outside of me last year on a slip road to a motorway when he lost it in front of my bumper and i nearly squashed is head only for the fact i guessed to swerve the right way he is still here today riding his bike thats nice and quick to overtake traffic safely well what he thought was safely. Dont get me wrong i dont clame to be a saint on the road myself but some of the riding you see from motor bikes is just plain stupid and far worse than what i personally have seen from cars.
About 2hrs ago, now you mention it ;)
If you like bikes you should come down by me once a year for the egg run there are thousands of bikes come for it and take an egg each for the kids at local hospital, only problem is there are tons that dont make it with over heating as there are literally thousands that do it and it is at snail pace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NyFLZKOL-M
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We have the Thundersprint up here already :)
http://www.thundersprint.com/
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We have the Thundersprint up here already :)
http://www.thundersprint.com/
Your close enough to do the egg run its supposed to be the largest meet of its kind in the UK
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
As a (part time) biker, I would have to say there are far more poor car drivers than bikers - no indication, lane changing without warning, pulling out, overtaking bikes closely, following too closely...
And going to work, I'm not a big weaver - but I do have the power and performance to overtake quickly and cleanly. And get past the big traffic queues of stupid parents to rather lazy to walk their rather little brats 400 rather yards to their rather schools. rather chavs.
Opps, started going into a rant then...
Rediculous when was the last time you saw a motor bike riding at the speed limit in a lane of traffic? It just doesnt happen wreckless beyond belief including the guy who flew round the outside of me last year on a slip road to a motorway when he lost it in front of my bumper and i nearly squashed is head only for the fact i guessed to swerve the right way he is still here today riding his bike thats nice and quick to overtake traffic safely well what he thought was safely. Dont get me wrong i dont clame to be a saint on the road myself but some of the riding you see from motor bikes is just plain stupid and far worse than what i personally have seen from cars.
About 2hrs ago, now you mention it ;)
If you like bikes you should come down by me once a year for the egg run there are thousands of bikes come for it and take an egg each for the kids at local hospital, only problem is there are tons that dont make it with over heating as there are literally thousands that do it and it is at snail pace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NyFLZKOL-M
I don't ride for pleasure, I use it purely for transport.
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
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I fancy another bike but can't afford one
However this would be a good first big bike
http://www.triumph.co.uk/uk/Triumph%20Bonneville_7557.aspx
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i am in the same boat as you mate, i wanna take the DAS too, not sure on what bike to get though
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Martin - I do like the look of that one :)
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Dont bother when it rains you get soaked and when the sun finally comes out you put some gay leathers on and sweat your nuts off!!!
I'm a fair weather boy - just as well as my ZX10 is a bit too willing to kill me in the wet - and use it for work. Takes 30 mins of my journey, and does 50mpg :y
The sad thing is that 30mins of your journey could put you in an early grave when you weave in and out of traffic there are just too many old people out there on the road that cant see in front of them never mind a biker cutting down the middle of a load of traffic its just to dangerous.
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
nothing like a bit of generalisation to prove a point ::)
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Martin - I do like the look of that one :)
That's why I looked it up not overly fast, retro looking but modern
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If you've never even been on a bike before, I would get a cheap one first and try it for a few weeks. Theres no point in paying all that money for a test and then a bike to find you'll never use it ::)
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I bought mine for its lack of outright speed & its upright riding position.
(http://snap34.photobox.co.uk/707421144e509f6499a56e183a59a33bf242ff00c30a0973abdc5805.jpg)
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If you've never even been on a bike before, I would get a cheap one first and try it for a few weeks. Theres no point in paying all that money for a test and then a bike to find you'll never use it ::)
Trust me Pete, I'd be using it more than the car!!
Think I'm pretty much settled on the Triumph Speedmaster... Lovely looking machine 8-)
http://www.triumph.co.uk/uk/Speedmaster_7665.aspx
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Some weird firing intervals there 270 degree :o
360 is smoothest power delivery but more vibration
180 is smoothest for vibration
I have had 360 and 180 and larger 180 was smoother
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Whats happened to all of their 4s?
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they still make them,this one is from the retro range.
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I had a mid life crisis not so long ago. Passed my test at 17 and loved my bike. So bought another at 45. ZZR600. Frightened the life out of me but what a rush.......glad it was stolen, I could have killed myself. Not so glad the insurance had lapsed. Even worse when they found it and I had to pay the garage to release my smashed up bike to me. You live and learn.
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I had a mid life crisis not so long ago. Passed my test at 17 and loved my bike. So bought another at 45. ZZR600. Frightened the life out of me but what a rush.......glad it was stolen, I could have killed myself. Not so glad the insurance had lapsed. Even worse when they found it and I had to pay the garage to release my smashed up bike to me. You live and learn.
get a zzr11/12/1400 next time,much more fun ;D
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
Biased against bikers for numerous reasons but here is just one for you. Read link.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/huge.number.of.bikers.dodging.road.tax/16384.htm
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this was proven to be utter lies,which an mp used to try to start the process of forcing motorcycles (and then no doubt everyone else) to have a chip built into the number plate which could be read by roadside devices,when it was exposed as pure fiction the politician quietly apoligised and the scheme was put on ice..........i also find it surprising that a (possible )reader of christian today,would like to "open their door" on young lads on scooters" >:(
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/march/10-16/mar1408dftregretmakinginflatedbiketaxclaims/?&R=EPI-99256 ;)
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same old car driver versus biker argument...take it all with a pinch of salt folks i mean we all know who the enemy is and it aint us law abiding folk...its the bunch of t***ers in sw1 guy fawkes had the best idea i mean if they claim for all their house and furniture as expenses what are they spending their wages on??? :o >:(
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Think I'm pretty much settled on the Triumph Speedmaster... Lovely looking machine 8-)
Last year I returned to my first love at the age of 58 & believe me it's the most exciting thing you can do with clothes on.
I more or less new what I wanted, so with the wifes permission bought a 1200 Harley Sportster. If you are looking for a not too fast, safe, economical, reliable bike with good resale value you can't go wrong with one of these.
The triumph you're looking at seems to be a take off from the Sportster, so why not buy the real thing. The 883cc is a bit gutless, but for me the 1200 has just the right power/weight ratio. The noise is amazing, especially on mine which is at stage 1 tune.
Have a look at their website & see what you think. :y
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
Biased against bikers for numerous reasons but here is just one for you. Read link.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/huge.number.of.bikers.dodging.road.tax/16384.htm
You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
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You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
:o :o :o :-X
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When you've done your test, as Daz said the Suzuki Bandit is a good mid range bike although you'd be advised to start with the 600 & if you go for the 'N' as appose to the 'S' the lack of fairing gives you the retro look. They're forgiving to ride & only give what power they have if you look for it being docile @ low revs. When you get the hang of it it's quick enough to enjoy but you have to rev it.
You can pick a good'un up for a grand & get your money back when you upgrade.
I would'nt recommend the 1200 as a first bike though!!!!!!!! 8-)
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
;
Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
Biased against bikers for numerous reasons but here is just one for you. Read link.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/huge.number.of.bikers.dodging.road.tax/16384.htm
You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
coming from someone who has a posting of a film of bikers burning a speed camera, titled the most beautiful sight in the world,and an avatar message which says-200mph before you die....words fail me ::)
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get a bike ,ride it , enjoy it, do your own thing, up to 600cc plenty for a new rider. if folks dont like them they can allways move to sweden cos there trying to ban them full stop. :y
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
Biased against bikers for numerous reasons but here is just one for you. Read link.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/huge.number.of.bikers.dodging.road.tax/16384.htm
You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
coming from someone who has a posting of a film of bikers burning a speed camera, titled the most beautiful sight in the world,and an avatar message which says-200mph before you die....words fail me ::)
It wasnt about who was burning the camera it was just about the camera being burnt. 2nd it doesnt say 200mph on the M1 before you die does it. go to a track and do it.
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get a bike ,ride it , enjoy it, do your own thing, up to 600cc plenty for a new rider. if folks dont like them they can allways move to sweden cos there trying to ban them full stop. :y
1way ticket to Sweeden please ;D ;D ;D
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Trying not to stir things here, or play devil's advocate, just looking to be educated; I also don't have a clue when it comes to bikes.
But why is it that they drive differently to cars?
Is it because they need to take different lines etc. to cars?
An example would be that they tend to ride in awkward places to spot - e.g. from my experience they ride in the centre of the road on the white line rather than in the centre of their lane which, depending upon distance, places them directly in your blind spot.
I know that man-hole covers and grates need to be avoided (especially in the wet) but this cannot explain it?
Another thing that I do not understand is why, just because they are able to do so, do they squeeze through gaps in between and around traffic, rather than just riding centrally in their lane and waiting in traffic?
I certainly don't begrudge them doing so, and try my best to accommodate them. It just seems they do so only because they can - e.g. In a car, you can mount kerbs/drive on the wrong side just to get round a que of traffic, but it's certainly not acceptable.
On another note, I definitely agree that more focus/emphasis should be placed on bikes when learning to drive :y
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I rode bikes for years before getting a car.
Bikes do take different lines, they need to as a sigle track vehicle.
Bikes generally have lower cornering speeds than quick sports cars but higher acceleration and braking. But a lot does come down to the rider/driver, and the corner. A tight slow corner is not good on a large bike - too much weight to pull down. A good example is a 90 deg I could get the 600 round at around 45, but a 250 and a light short car with wide wheels and rally suspension at 50. Fast open corners a bike can straight line when a car cannot.
On a another corner which was fast the cornering speed was above the maximum speed of my 250s and a Sierra Cosworth trying to keep up was squirming sideways running past his limits.
Riding in blind spots - that is a big complaint, however it is a good location for the bike rider to see past the car for overtaking. This could be improved by dropping back and looking over the top of the car.
Beating traffic jams - why should a motorcycle with its small size and great manouverability suffer because a load of cars are dumped in the way, they get through they get out of the way. Bikes sitting in queues annoy me, they take up too much room slowing the whole queue speed down. I always make room for a bike to go down the middle (DC) or right (SC)
I haven't commuted into a town for years but if I did a powered two wheeler would be purchased.
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Bikes are great fun, but you are about 17 times more likely to be killed / seriously injured- nearly been there nearly done that!! Drunk driver hit me on the motorway, stomach and legs run over etc etc. If I had been in a car probably would have no injuries just a bent car. Having said that I really miss riding my bike, they really are great fun- but please don't go out and buy a big sports bike straight off... Oh and buy the most expensive helmet you can afford - saved my bacon!!!
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There is also an Egg Run in Massive plus a Toy Run at Christmas :y
As for your little rantings........
I understand what you say about some people on motorbikes going rather fast but i find in the main it is young lads on scooters who think they are Kenny Roberts.....
But as an ex biker, I honestly think that before learning to drive a car, all people should have to ride a motorbike first.. the reason being when you are riding a motorbike the amount of people that pull out on you is unreal... "Oh sorry mate I didn't see you!" even though your headlight was on! they never really looked properly is the real answer.
Now when you have riden a motorbike and your driving a car, you look for motorcyclists .........
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Or just ban them from our roads ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what you mean about them boys on scooters crazy!!! Wouldnt mind opening my door on a few of them ;D
I get the feeling some are biased against bikers. If you take proper notice of what you are taught on the DAS course, and put it into practice, you will not go far wrong. Once you have some experience under your belt go for roadcraft course, which takes you up a level and helps you to read the road and anticipate some of those idiot car drivers turning without signalling etc, or cutting corners on blind bends. There is nothing quite like riding a large motorbike!
Biased against bikers for numerous reasons but here is just one for you. Read link.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/huge.number.of.bikers.dodging.road.tax/16384.htm
You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
coming from someone who has a posting of a film of bikers burning a speed camera, titled the most beautiful sight in the world,and an avatar message which says-200mph before you die....words fail me ::)
YUP AGREED :y :y
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get a bike ,ride it , enjoy it, do your own thing, up to 600cc plenty for a new rider. if folks dont like them they can allways move to sweden cos there trying to ban them full stop. :y
1way ticket to Sweeden please ;D ;D ;D
Im paying :D
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i,ll chip in :y
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Just think about how congestion free our Towns Cities and Motorways would be if more people rode bikes! And if all road taxt was abolished, there would be no tax dodgers to worry about. If you have never ridden a big bike you are definitely missing out, especially this time of year when you can smell and feel part of the countryside. Gets you out of your insulated metal box, inwhich you can feel invincible and immune from inflicting pain on bikers.
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well said :y
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get a bike ,ride it , enjoy it, do your own thing, up to 600cc plenty for a new rider. if folks dont like them they can allways move to sweden cos there trying to ban them full stop. :y
1way ticket to Sweeden please ;D ;D ;D
Im paying :D
See all you biker boys in leather pants sticking together. :-* :-* :-*
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
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I have worked out why they have a 270 deg crank - to give it a V twin sound, even though it is a parallel twin.
Make sure you visit a Triumph dealer to see one in the metal.
Am I responsible for pointing you towards Triumph?
Good luck anyway
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Possibly in some way yes, but I had seen the bonne prior tho, its only after you said I came across the speedmaster :D
I went to a dealer earlier today (hence prices) Bill Smiths in Chester, they had 2 in, 1 in Phantom Black, the other Blue. Definately prefer the all black bike!
Had a sit on it, got a feel for the position, and well, that sealed the deal for me! So as soon as I have the licence fully sorted, all the funds, I'll be down there and getting the whole lot!
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
:o :o :o :o :o
Its £495 at the training place down the road from me:
http://www.ridertraining.biz/Rider%20Training,%20Northamptonshire%20UK%20-%20DAS%20Direct%20Access%20Sche.htm
They got a crap site, but seam good, seen them go up and down my road.
Hopefully book myself on one next month :D
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Yeah I know, it is a bit expensive :S but I'd rather do it here where I know the roads, than somewhere cheaper which I don't know! Still, considering its free if you fail till you pass, it can't be too bad :)
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Jeepers!!! Just got an insurance quote too...
New rider
6 points over last 5 years (SP50, SP30)
4 years NCB on the Omega (they asked!)
On a Triumph Speedmaster...
Guess how much! Prize to the closest :)
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Possibly in some way yes, but I had seen the bonne prior tho, its only after you said I came across the speedmaster :D
I went to a dealer earlier today (hence prices) Bill Smiths in Chester, they had 2 in, 1 in Phantom Black, the other Blue. Definately prefer the all black bike!
Had a sit on it, got a feel for the position, and well, that sealed the deal for me! So as soon as I have the licence fully sorted, all the funds, I'll be down there and getting the whole lot!
Used to deliver his Yamahas years ago.
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Thanks Martin :y
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You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
What utter 'dangle berries' >:(
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
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Use the training schools bikes and if possible hire one for a few days before lashing out serious money on a bike of your own. Invest in the best kit, it really does make a big difference. Get a proper helmet that fits properly, the comfort factor really is important, if you can't wear it without being distracted it can be dangerous.
As for bikes my last one was a Triumph Trophy 900, looked great without the panniers and when they were fitted it carried enough gear for a fortnight, went to Benidorm, Prague and Amsterdam on it.
After passing your DAS and test, take some advanced training with the IAM, they aren't all bearded BMW riders!!! Up here in Durham the IAM for motorcyclists is assisted by the police, in fact a bike sergeant takes you for your test, it's a great scheme and it does make you a better rider, and when you understand the road problems of those on 2 wheels it will make you a better, more observant car driver.The trainig is about making progress safely, I ended up riding much quicker than I used to, take extra training whatever it costs, it could save your life.
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
Insurance is only 174.37 fully comp... not really much lol!
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
Insurance is only 174.37 fully comp... not really much lol!
Even with zero NCD?
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You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
What utter 'dangle berries' >:(
'dangle berries'? I dont think so its true, the only bikes you see not flying round like idiots are the boys on the big sit up harleys and choppers, the rest ride round darting between traffic as fast as you can like your delivering an organ or something and you wonder why you get knocked off. Have a bit of respect for other road users and people wouldnt hate you so much!!!!!
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You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
What utter 'dangle berries' >:(
'dangle berries'? I dont think so its true, the only bikes you see not flying round like idiots are the boys on the big sit up harleys and choppers, the rest ride round darting between traffic as fast as you can like your delivering an organ or something and you wonder why you get knocked off. Have a bit of respect for other road users and people wouldnt hate you so much!!!!!
Drivel.
Like the majority of car drivers, the majority of bikers are responsible. Probably more so, as being a idiot on a bike means severe pain or death, being a idiot in a car simply means hurting someone else.
If all car drivers were forced to ride a bike for a while, then the roads would be safer with more aware drivers.
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Obviously you disagree with each other....so there'll have to be a fight. :y
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http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/CrashDummy123/DSCN0018.jpg
Stop phaffing around with Triumphs which is a typically British half baked attempt to be a cruiser & get the real thing :y
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
Insurance is only 174.37 fully comp... not really much lol!
What!?! :o :o :o :o
Bloody hell that is cheap as chips, who was that Policy with??
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
Insurance is only 174.37 fully comp... not really much lol!
What!?! :o :o :o :o
Bloody hell that is cheap as chips, who was that Policy with??
I get a suspicion that he may have said he had NCD :-/
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You will always get this argument while bikes are on the roads, and how do you expect us to see you when the majority of you ride round like bloody hooligans, and you moan we come to close to you? Whatever you come close enough to us when your taking are bloody wing mirrors off diving between lanes of traffic, i am sick of seeing signs up saying "think bike" if you didnt ride them like you had just stolen it you would be alright and we would see you. There is no counter argument to this it is known fact you see it everyday motorbikes being rode wrecklessly. Also if your that worried about a car pulling out on you cause they cant see you, dont get on it in the 1st place and you will be alright.
If you want the thrill of going fast go to a race track and do it, its what i do and its a lot safer for both cars and bikes
What utter 'dangle berries' >:(
'dangle berries'? I dont think so its true, the only bikes you see not flying round like idiots are the boys on the big sit up harleys and choppers, the rest ride round darting between traffic as fast as you can like your delivering an organ or something and you wonder why you get knocked off. Have a bit of respect for other road users and people wouldnt hate you so much!!!!!
Drivel.
Like the majority of car drivers, the majority of bikers are responsible. Probably more so, as being a idiot on a bike means severe pain or death, being a idiot in a car simply means hurting someone else.
If all car drivers were forced to ride a bike for a while, then the roads would be safer with more aware drivers.
Wrong again, why the hell should we car drivers have to ride a bike? We grew out of that when we 10 and havnt hit the mid life crisis yet!!! I cant even see how you can deny it as on a day to day basis you see far more idiots on bikes than in cars and as there are a lot more cars on the road think that means the percentage of riders that are idiots to car drivers proves my point, again.
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.
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Damon Hill started on bikes
I think bikes made me a better driver but it does mean I dislike slow accelerating cars
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
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Wrong again, why the hell should we car drivers have to ride a bike? We grew out of that when we 10 and havnt hit the mid life crisis yet!!! I cant even see how you can deny it as on a day to day basis you see far more idiots on bikes than in cars and as there are a lot more cars on the road think that means the percentage of riders that are idiots to car drivers proves my point, again.
That is precisely why bikers have an issue with a minority of car drivers - drivers who have no clue of what is going on around them.
And, no, you're wrong - I see far, far, far more stupid drivers than I do bikers. And bikes are very popular around these parts, esp in the summer, as I live 7m from Silverstone.
Additionally, stupid bikers don't last long, obviously. Unfortunately, stupid drivers tend to survive.
I've been riding regularly since my 20s - hardly mid life crisis I think.
I think its fair to say, a very significant proportion of riders take advanced courses. How many drivers do that? Very few.
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Mark - it is an Imprezza
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Mark - it is an Imprezza
Still got Chav crap on it
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In my case got my first car at 27 - borrowed my parents before.
Had bikes from 16 to 31 when I sold my last 250 as I was broke
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Mark - it is an Imprezza
Still got Chav crap on it
They are made like that
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in my case, I am 23, i need a new challenge.
No matter what some people say here, riding a bike does make you a better driver.
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in my case, I am 23, i need a new challenge.
No matter what some people say here, riding a bike does make you a better driver.
Go for it be sensible and don't kill yourself
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Once again another one that is wrong as the car is not used on the road only the race track mmmmm assumptions again. Are you leather pant wearing boys ever right???
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in my case, I am 23, i need a new challenge.
No matter what some people say here, riding a bike does make you a better driver.
Go for it be sensible and don't kill yourself
2 main reasons for learning.
1) the new challenge.
2) sooner or later i will be moving back to London, taking a scooter to work would be fun! :)
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http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/CrashDummy123/DSCN0018.jpg
Stop phaffing around with Triumphs which is a typically British half baked attempt to be a cruiser & get the real thing :y
For once i'm not gonna rant..no really i'm not...really, just good to see another forum member within spitting distance. My mig's spent many a Sat or Sunday in your Tesco car park. :y
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in my case, I am 23, i need a new challenge.
No matter what some people say here, riding a bike does make you a better driver.
Go for it be sensible and don't kill yourself
2 main reasons for learning.
1) the new challenge.
2) sooner or later i will be moving back to London, taking a scooter to work would be fun! :)
A scooter - what like Po?
(http://www.edu.dudley.gov.uk/foundation/pbskids/images/kids_tele_po.jpg)
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Once again another one that is wrong as the car is not used on the road only the race track mmmmm assumptions again. Are you leather pant wearing boys ever right???
1) I don't own a motorbike
2) Don't have a licence for one (yet)
3) My point exactly i made assumptions on your type of car.... see what is like?
Your the one making assumptions here! ;D ;D
Though my driving experiance, i found found bikers very good road users, aware of everything and responsable. Guy over the road from he has superbikes! Very responable rider.
Stop assuming bloody chavs screaming around your town on scooters are like all bikers.
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Hardly stupid chav stuff is it as if you know anything about cars you will know what most of the parts are.
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Hardly stupid chav stuff is it as if you know anything about cars you will know what most of the parts are.
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Ohh please, just stop slagging and generalising all bikers.
Btw, your missing a roll cage ;)
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Ex bikers make better drives, no doubt.
Bikers have to think so much more than drivers, whats around them, wind conditions, weather conditions.
I can do my commute in exactly the same style in wet or dry, you can't in a bike, you have to avoid man hole covers, painted white lines as they will be slippy.
You have to think about the wind and rain so much more, car drives can just sit there with one hand on the wheel at 80mph in the wet...
Its a fact, plain and simple that x-bikers make better car drivers.[/quote
It doesnt matter what your like in a car thats not the argument, It still doesnt change the fact that the majority ride like bloody hooligans, its like listening to Arsene Wenger this, only see what you want.
;D ;D
Maybe cause around your way all bikers have L plates and are still at school? Messing around on 50cc scooters?
Come on now...
By the look of your picture, if that is your car, you have spent money putting all kinds of err 'stuff' on your car, fake stupid bumpers, ironing board for a rear spoler, exhaust the size of mellons, lowering it so you go around corners better, you are all the same, you chav your cars up, then drive around with you caps on, in 2nd gear all the time engine screaming, flying though town, doing spins in car parks, putting stupid neons on....
Hardly stupid chav stuff is it as if you know anything about cars you will know what most of the parts are.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg113/prestigesec/steveebay017.jpg)
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Ohh please, just stop slagging and generalising all bikers.
Btw, your missing a roll cage ;)
Cage is on its way
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Sitting on the fence for once, i love bikes, wish i'd done my test @17 but you could hop on a 250 in 1980 with L plates & i did...new KH250 2 stroke triple screamer, cracking bike in it's day. It was this or the RD 250DX or the Suzi X7, all 2 stroke. To think of 17yr olds riding these now shows my age! But we could then, all you had to do was turn 17.
The irony is @ 16 i crashed/come off my Fizzy 3 times but despite enjoying the KH no accidents. Could be a lesson for the Nanny state to let us find out for ourselves??? Discuss! 8-)
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at the end of a day, you can buy a bike for £1k, and it will give you the performance of a 911 Turbo!
Not that you can go that fast in central London ::)
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at the end of a day, you can buy a bike for £1k, and it will give you the performance of a 911 Turbo!
Not that you can go that fast in central London ::)
Will do you a deal then if someone is giving away keys to 911's and 1K bikes i will pick a set up for the bike for you ;D
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....new KH250 2 stroke triple screamer, cracking bike in it's day. ......
First 250 I rode, a cracking bike unfortunaletly it wasn't mine though. :'( I'd to make do with a GT250 when I bought a 250
The irony is @ 16 i crashed/come off my Fizzy 3 times but despite enjoying the KH no accidents. Could be a lesson for the Nanny state to let us find out for ourselves??? Discuss! 8-)
I know it hurts when you come off at 65 at the top of Shap. :(
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Come across this thread and feel the need to add a point of view. :)
Bikers make better car drivers as they have greater awareness and understanding, but I would add that Car drivers education would be enhanced if they were to drive Artics and busses and understand the need to use the full lane, visibility and stopping distances. An ideal situation, but not going to happen, so those of us who drive other than in cars must continue to make allowances for some car drivers who have no thought to the needs of other vehicles. My tuppence worth.
:D :D :D
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pfffft nothing wrong with leathers if for bikes :P
well been pricing up stuff...
CBT + DAS = £750... That includes test, and if I fail the test, then further tuition and test is free :) (they guarantee a pass)
Triumph Speedmaster = £6199 (but I'll want a pillion seat and sissybar with rear shelf), so be a bit more...
Boots = £150 (YOU try finding a cheaper pair which are classic look)
Other leathers (pants and jacket) = arounf £300
So all in I'm easy looking at around £8000 which isn't too bad I think :) Got 5k already :D 3 more to go...
But I also have insurance and tax due on the Omega come June/August... bah :(
Might be worth getting a cheaper 2nd hand bike for a year, to keep insurance down. Plus you may not get on with riding bikes...
Insurance is only 174.37 fully comp... not really much lol!
What!?! :o :o :o :o
Bloody hell that is cheap as chips, who was that Policy with??
I get a suspicion that he may have said he had NCD :-/
Nope
No NCD as far as the bike was concerned, it asked for car NCD and bike NCD,
26 years Old
Car NCD = 4 years
Bike NCD = 0 years
Also asked if I drive a car I currently own, Yes
Asked for how long I've had a car license (8 years), bike license (just passed (but said just passed to gauge how much roughly it would be))
6 points (SP50, SP30)
http://www.moneysupermarket.com/bike/
Chose the first link (The Bike Insurer)
I even rang up to double check ;D
Apparently, being locked in the garage, using safewater dot thing to mark the bike (will be done anyways), and in a pretty good postcode go along way to bring the premium right down :)
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Possibly in some way yes, but I had seen the bonne prior tho, its only after you said I came across the speedmaster :D
I went to a dealer earlier today (hence prices) Bill Smiths in Chester, they had 2 in, 1 in Phantom Black, the other Blue. Definately prefer the all black bike!
Had a sit on it, got a feel for the position, and well, that sealed the deal for me! So as soon as I have the licence fully sorted, all the funds, I'll be down there and getting the whole lot!
Used to deliver his Yamahas years ago.
In Hoole :y
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Come across this thread and feel the need to add a point of view. :)
Bikers make better car drivers as they have greater awareness and understanding, but I would add that Car drivers education would be enhanced if they were to drive Artics and busses and understand the need to use the full lane, visibility and stopping distances. An ideal situation, but not going to happen, so those of us who drive other than in cars must continue to make allowances for some car drivers who have no thought to the needs of other vehicles. My tuppence worth.
:D :D :D
The bottom line is that your view of the world is different whether you're in a bike, a car, a bus or an artic. There are orders of magnitude of difference in performance and handling between the extremes.
I have quite limited experience of driving anything other than a car but enough "pillion time" to realise it's clear that what appears to be a suicidal overtake from a car driver's point of view is actually quite a safe manoevre on a bike. Perhaps we should leave it to bikers to judge other bikers' riding habits?
There are clearly one of two bad eggs amongst bikers, but tell me that's not the case with car / bus /lorry drivers/ pilots / skippers too?
In fact, driving as I do a light car with an above average level of poke, I'm sometimes aware that I've left people thinking that I'm a total hooligan after a perfectly safe overtaking manoevre. The fact is, the parameters are different for me. Not as much so as for a biker but I've got better acceleration, better handling and shorter stopping distances than they are used to, and that is what my judgement is tuned to. My judgement says "safe overtake" theirs, tuned to driving a Ciroen Picasso or somesuch, says "rather hooligan". :-/
Kevin
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Possibly in some way yes, but I had seen the bonne prior tho, its only after you said I came across the speedmaster :D
I went to a dealer earlier today (hence prices) Bill Smiths in Chester, they had 2 in, 1 in Phantom Black, the other Blue. Definately prefer the all black bike!
Had a sit on it, got a feel for the position, and well, that sealed the deal for me! So as soon as I have the licence fully sorted, all the funds, I'll be down there and getting the whole lot!
Used to deliver his Yamahas years ago.
In Hoole :y
Yup and his other shop in Liverpool IIRC.
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
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Come across this thread and feel the need to add a point of view. :)
Bikers make better car drivers as they have greater awareness and understanding, but I would add that Car drivers education would be enhanced if they were to drive Artics and busses and understand the need to use the full lane, visibility and stopping distances. An ideal situation, but not going to happen, so those of us who drive other than in cars must continue to make allowances for some car drivers who have no thought to the needs of other vehicles. My tuppence worth.
:D :D :D
The bottom line is that your view of the world is different whether you're in a bike, a car, a bus or an artic. There are orders of magnitude of difference in performance and handling between the extremes.
I have quite limited experience of driving anything other than a car but enough "pillion time" to realise it's clear that what appears to be a suicidal overtake from a car driver's point of view is actually quite a safe manoevre on a bike. Perhaps we should leave it to bikers to judge other bikers' riding habits?
There are clearly one of two bad eggs amongst bikers, but tell me that's not the case with car / bus /lorry drivers/ pilots / skippers too?
In fact, driving as I do a light car with an above average level of poke, I'm sometimes aware that I've left people thinking that I'm a total hooligan after a perfectly safe overtaking manoevre. The fact is, the parameters are different for me. Not as much so as for a biker but I've got better acceleration, better handling and shorter stopping distances than they are used to, and that is what my judgement is tuned to. My judgement says "safe overtake" theirs, tuned to driving a Ciroen Picasso or somesuch, says "rather hooligan". :-/
Kevin
There is an awful lot of truth in that :y
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at the end of a day, you can buy a bike for £1k, and it will give you the performance of a 911 Turbo!
Not that you can go that fast in central London ::)
911 Turbo tried to out accelerate me once, when I was overtaking him. Silly boy.... ....he's not even close on performance, not even close to being in the same league.
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
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What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
A push bike with an engine is distinctly different to an engineered motorcycle.....
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i feel that we may be having a battle of wits with someone who is only half equipped for the job and thats not fair ;)
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
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getting bored of this argument now... Asked for info, got a ruckus...
my 2 pence...
worst people I come across on the road are car drivers. Bikers (even if some do like driving a bit fast) ride far better than alot of cars.
The amount of times I've been cut up on junctions, had cars pull out of side streets without stopping or looking, change lanes on the motorway while I'm right next to them, tailgating... I've lost count! I have less patience for car drivers on the road now than bikers. Even lorry drivers are better than car drivers. Fact.
I don't ride a bike, I will be learning soon. I understand fully why people are saying bikers are far more aware of whats going on around them, and they have to be. If its anything to go on from just driving a car, god knows how much more alert I'm going to have to be just to ride a bike.
It's not a mid-life crisis, its something I want to do and have wanted to do initially since I passed my test when I was 18. 10 years later, I'm doing it. So 'dangle berries' to what anyone says against it, they can have their opinion. It's being done. End of!
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What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorised_bicycle
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoGP
Even half cut, with one eye shut with the wind in my face, I can spot the difference.... can you?
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getting bored of this argument now... Asked for info, got a ruckus...
my 2 pence...
worst people I come across on the road are car drivers. Bikers (even if some do like driving a bit fast) ride far better than alot of cars.
The amount of times I've been cut up on junctions, had cars pull out of side streets without stopping or looking, change lanes on the motorway while I'm right next to them, tailgating... I've lost count! I have less patience for car drivers on the road now than bikers. Even lorry drivers are better than car drivers. Fact.
I don't ride a bike, I will be learning soon. I understand fully why people are saying bikers are far more aware of whats going on around them, and they have to be. If its anything to go on from just driving a car, god knows how much more alert I'm going to have to be just to ride a bike.
It's not a mid-life crisis, its something I want to do and have wanted to do initially since I passed my test when I was 18. 10 years later, I'm doing it. So 'dangle berries' to what anyone says against it, they can have their opinion. It's being done. End of!
If you want to do it, then do it. Your choice, nobody elses :y
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PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic. A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.
It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
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Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Sorry, had a memory jolt there.... Thought you said all bikers were nutters??
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Thats a 'No' then. Therefore, I suspect you have no idea about riding bikes. >:(
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PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic. A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.
It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....
Thats the most on-topic comment in the last 7 pages of argumentative tripe ;D
Yeah I've looked at those aswell, but looked at all the stats for the different options, but still think I'm going to go ahead with the speedy.
May well be a 865cc machine, but its only 61bhp. Had a quick feel of the bike earlier too and had a sit on a few others. The speedy was quite a low down bike (being a cruiser) and felt better balanced, well, easier to keep upright sitting on it than some others lol! Even a few 125cc's and a 500cc honda they had in (can't remember the model, but it looked very similiar to the DAS training bikes)
Plus the other way I look at it, if I get a good bike from the go, I'll be more likely to not treat it like a temporary stop-gap measure till I can afford something better, like when you get a shitter of a car as a run-about with every intention of getting a better one, but run the shitter into the ground and just don't clean it, look after it... And never end up getting the car you actually wanted!
Plus I'd rather buy a bike brand new than second hand... Don't know why, it doesn't bother me as much with cars, I'll buy a right old bugger with high mileage, but just feel differently in regards to the bike...
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Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Sorry, had a memory jolt there.... Thought you said all bikers were nutters??
Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.
I was thinking the same, but just came to conclusion that he talks 'dangle berries'.
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Paul - personally, if I were in your shoes, I would get a 600cc rat bike thats worth not a lot. You can pick up a cast of winter hack now for not a lot of cash and you than have no fears about scratching your HP'd or costly savings if you sent it up the road.
Thats what I did, thats what I encouraged my son to do and its served us both well...... :y
Only buy what you can afford not to cry over.....
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fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
I thought the difference was that a Harley goes "thug" about every 3rd lamp post you pass and a fast bike means it goes "thug" about 300 times per lamp post. ;)
Kevin
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PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic. A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.
It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....
Thats the most on-topic comment in the last 7 pages of argumentative tripe ;D
Yeah I've looked at those aswell, but looked at all the stats for the different options, but still think I'm going to go ahead with the speedy.
May well be a 865cc machine, but its only 61bhp. Had a quick feel of the bike earlier too and had a sit on a few others. The speedy was quite a low down bike (being a cruiser) and felt better balanced, well, easier to keep upright sitting on it than some others lol! Even a few 125cc's and a 500cc honda they had in (can't remember the model, but it looked very similiar to the DAS training bikes)
Plus the other way I look at it, if I get a good bike from the go, I'll be more likely to not treat it like a temporary stop-gap measure till I can afford something better, like when you get a naffter of a car as a run-about with every intention of getting a better one, but run the naffter into the ground and just don't clean it, look after it... And never end up getting the car you actually wanted!
Plus I'd rather buy a bike brand new than second hand... Don't know why, it doesn't bother me as much with cars, I'll buy a right old bugger with high mileage, but just feel differently in regards to the bike...
The DAS bikes are likely to be in the 40 - 50bhp, and I think you'll fine those quite nippy. 61bhp will feel very quick - so will be more than enough for your first 12 months or so. Obviously, it only goes as fast as the rider tells it, but so does a high performance car driven by an inexperienced driver.
Another consideration, more difficult to judge, as comfort when riding for extended journeys - my first 500cc I could do able 50 miles before numb bum symdrone kicked in. The 1000cc I have now, 70m is easy (never ridden further on it). (its not the engine etc, its just a more comfortable saddle for me)
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Thats a 'No' then. Therefore, I suspect you have no idea about riding bikes. >:(
So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
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Tunnie - I think I've offered before, but if you want to experience being on a big bike, I'm more than happy to take you pillion. We wouldn't take it to anywhere near performance limits, or handling limits. a) I don't know the limits of my bike with a pillion, so ride within what I know its capabilities are, and what my capabilities are, and what the pillions capabilities are; b) you'd need a spare pair of undies ;D
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The Triumph is quite soft and is not a revvy engine, it is quite probably ideal for him.
I have done 180 miles on a 100, then 180 two days later back
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Thats a 'No' then. Therefore, I suspect you have no idea about riding bikes. >:(
So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have never ridden a large bike, and have never experienced the levels of performance, and therefore are hardly in a position to be able to authoritively say what is within/outside the capabilities of the machine and the conditions.
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Tunnie - I think I've offered before, but if you want to experience being on a big bike, I'm more than happy to take you pillion. We wouldn't take it to anywhere near performance limits, or handling limits. a) I don't know the limits of my bike with a pillion, so ride within what I know its capabilities are, and what my capabilities are, and what the pillions capabilities are; b) you'd need a spare pair of undies ;D
Dont need to experience putting a pair of leather pants on thanks if i need a performance rush then there is a 740BHP Ultima GTR i pop into which embarassed the friend i was talking about before and his Ducati 998. No better sound than a V8 hitting 8000RPM
You friend wasn't using the full performance of his machine then.
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Tunnie - I think I've offered before, but if you want to experience being on a big bike, I'm more than happy to take you pillion. We wouldn't take it to anywhere near performance limits, or handling limits. a) I don't know the limits of my bike with a pillion, so ride within what I know its capabilities are, and what my capabilities are, and what the pillions capabilities are; b) you'd need a spare pair of undies ;D
Dont need to experience putting a pair of leather pants on thanks if i need a performance rush then there is a 740BHP Ultima GTR i pop into which embarassed the friend i was talking about before and his Ducati 998. No better sound than a V8 hitting 8000RPM
so....
you talking about on a track or the public highway?
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Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.
"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.
"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible ::). Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.
Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.
Dont you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Cant you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because its a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?
I have been riding bikes since I was 16 that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. Its like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt its utter crap.
So, get a grip...and get a life.
What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!
Have you ever ridden a big bike?
Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?
Thats a 'No' then. Therefore, I suspect you have no idea about riding bikes. >:(
So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have never ridden a large bike, and have never experienced the levels of performance, and therefore are hardly in a position to be able to authoritively say what is within/outside the capabilities of the machine and the conditions.
Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
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Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
I'm sure you can begin to imagine the extra performance of the larger bikes then.
2.3 - that Triumph one?
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Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
I'm sure you can begin to imagine the extra performance of the larger bikes then.
2.3 - that Triumph one?
It was the one that was developed for the initial GP season but had to be culled due to public reaction on capacity.....
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Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
I'm sure you can begin to imagine the extra performance of the larger bikes then.
2.3 - that Triumph one?
It was the one that was developed for the initial GP season but had to be culled due to public reaction on capacity.....
triumph rocket III??? (only 2.3 in production now by triumph anyways)
tbh though, the Honda goldwing is a bit of a big one ;D
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2.3 bike engine. Hmmm how about a miggy engined trike?
I'm sure I've seen a rover V8 in a trike so why not a mig V6?
Would make doing the exhaust man gaskets a doddle. ;D
Project anyone.
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Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
I'm sure you can begin to imagine the extra performance of the larger bikes then.
2.3 - that Triumph one?
It was the one that was developed for the initial GP season but had to be culled due to public reaction on capacity.....
triumph rocket III??? (only 2.3 in production now by triumph anyways)
tbh though, the Honda goldwing is a bit of a big one ;D
At least the Goldwing had a reverse gear...... ;D
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
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Think I saw a trike with a 5.3 Jag V12 at a kit car show once. ;D Rover V8 ones are certainly around.
Kevin
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
Yes but you're losing the argument with a load of other people who have actually ridden a bike.
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Tunnie - I think I've offered before, but if you want to experience being on a big bike, I'm more than happy to take you pillion. We wouldn't take it to anywhere near performance limits, or handling limits. a) I don't know the limits of my bike with a pillion, so ride within what I know its capabilities are, and what my capabilities are, and what the pillions capabilities are; b) you'd need a spare pair of undies ;D
Dont need to experience putting a pair of leather pants on thanks if i need a performance rush then there is a 740BHP Ultima GTR i pop into which embarassed the friend i was talking about before and his Ducati 998. No better sound than a V8 hitting 8000RPM
You friend wasn't using the full performance of his machine then.
Oh really that must be why his chin was on the floor in shock afterwards then.
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
I can't speak for Hotel21, and besides, he's big enough and ugly enough to speak for himself.
As for me, however, I enjoy a good debate with people who have some knowledge of what they are talking about.... ....hence, I'll bid you Good Night.
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
Good Answer!!
So...
You are an expert on motorbikes from an observer point of view....
Likewise as, say an observer in F1 Grand Pix or International tennis, you are now an expert in such things and able to pontificate?
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
Good Answer!!
So...
You are an expert on motorbikes from an observer point of view....
Likewise as, say an observer in F1 Grand Pix or International tennis, you are now an expert in such things and able to pontificate?
You dont have to be an expert in a field to know whats right and wrong and whats wreckless and whats not.
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So you have to ride a bike to understand why people ride them like mad men then do you realise how daft you actually sound? Are you all sharing the same brain on here or something.
You have absolutely no conception of what you speaketh.....
Dont let the door slam you on the arse on the way out.........
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That how it is if someone has a different opinion to you its bye bye is it sad and pathetic, if you dont like a discussion or a bit of an argument, then i suggest you dont get involved.
Good Answer!!
So...
You are an expert on motorbikes from an observer point of view....
Likewise as, say an observer in F1 Grand Pix or International tennis, you are now an expert in such things and able to pontificate?
You dont have to be an expert in a field to know whats right and wrong and whats wreckless and whats not.
In that case, you are Murray Walkers replacement and I claim my five pounds.... ooooopps - wrong channel.....
sorry, disagree.
if you do not know what you are talking about then you are a dangerous idiot amongst those who know better..........
Oh, how I sometimes wish that I could get a transmogrification machine to post, say, WW2 experts raised on a diet of John Wayne and dump them on the front line and let them play dodgeball with real kill 'em dead bullets.......
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One thing I would suggest to all riders new and old is do a few track days. Don't be put off by the name as they are really well run and seperated into groups dependant on ability and experience. Tuition is also included and they are a very safe and pleasurable way to learn more about your riding and your bike.
I have done boat loads of them and they are great places to meet some great people too. I tend to do more track days now than ride on the road as they are far safer and more enjoyable hence me selling my R1 road bike last week and buying a GSXR750 track bike straight away to compensate.
I would also recommend doing some riding abroad particularly France, Spain, Italy, Germany etc as they are easily accessible and have some great roads. Some of my friends and I have done this for about 5 years and had a bloody great time every year.
Hope this helps.
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I would also whole heartedly recommend Bikesafe [ http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ ] on which I have instructed for more years than I care to remember.....
Once you have a few miles (not that many, I hasten to add) under your belt its a fantastic way to raise your observations of whats happening around you as well as getting you an insight into extended areas which will further expand upon the CBT and make you a safer rider with greater spacial awareness of whats happening (and developing) ...... ;)
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I would also whole heartedly recommend Bikesafe [ http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ ] ......
No Manchester or Lancs :-? :(
It's something I've thought about a few times. Passed test 1980, & rode a 250 for a few years ...... fast forward 25 yrs ..... :-?
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2.3 bike engine. Hmmm how about a miggy engined trike?
I'm sure I've seen a rover V8 in a trike so why not a mig V6?Would make doing the exhaust man gaskets a doddle. ;D
Project anyone.
Cos from what I have seen you don't see many broken down trikes. :-[ :-[
Sorry guys. :D :D :D
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I would also whole heartedly recommend Bikesafe [ http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ ] ......
No Manchester or Lancs :-? :(
It's something I've thought about a few times. Passed test 1980, & rode a 250 for a few years ...... fast forward 25 yrs ..... :-?
And if you jumped on a bike today you are simply an organ doner......
No Scottish forces either but I know that they all partake......
Its worth it. Really opens your perceptions and horizons and does make you a safer rider....... ;)
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You dont have to be an expert in a field to know whats right and wrong and whats wreckless and whats not.
Additionally, I would refer the learned gentleman to the original title of this thread...
[size=20]Fancy a Motorbike... but not a damned clue![/size]
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It's something I've thought about a few times. Passed test 1980, & rode a 250 for a few years ...... fast forward 25 yrs ..... :-?
And if you jumped on a bike today you are simply an organ doner......
No Scottish forces either but I know that they all partake......
Its worth it. Really opens your perceptions and horizons and does make you a safer rider....... ;)
I meant the course.
I bought this about 4 or 5 yrs ago
(http://snap34.photobox.co.uk/707421144e509f6499a56e183a59a33bf242ff00c30a0973abdc5805.jpg) after a brief spell on a scooter.
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Come across this thread and feel the need to add a point of view. :)
Bikers make better car drivers as they have greater awareness and understanding, but I would add that Car drivers education would be enhanced if they were to drive Artics and busses and understand the need to use the full lane, visibility and stopping distances. An ideal situation, but not going to happen, so those of us who drive other than in cars must continue to make allowances for some car drivers who have no thought to the needs of other vehicles. My tuppence worth.
:D :D :D
The bottom line is that your view of the world is different whether you're in a bike, a car, a bus or an artic. There are orders of magnitude of difference in performance and handling between the extremes.
I have quite limited experience of driving anything other than a car but enough "pillion time" to realise it's clear that what appears to be a suicidal overtake from a car driver's point of view is actually quite a safe manoevre on a bike. Perhaps we should leave it to bikers to judge other bikers' riding habits?
There are clearly one of two bad eggs amongst bikers, but tell me that's not the case with car / bus /lorry drivers/ pilots / skippers too?
In fact, driving as I do a light car with an above average level of poke, I'm sometimes aware that I've left people thinking that I'm a total hooligan after a perfectly safe overtaking manoevre. The fact is, the parameters are different for me. Not as much so as for a biker but I've got better acceleration, better handling and shorter stopping distances than they are used to, and that is what my judgement is tuned to. My judgement says "safe overtake" theirs, tuned to driving a Ciroen Picasso or somesuch, says "rather hooligan". :-/
Kevin
There is an awful lot of truth in that :y
don't pick on me just cos the Migs broke, you you you hooligan. ;D ;D ;D
Don't forget I also drive a Gallant V6, eats Migs. ;) ;) ;)
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Andy - I know, from previous posts....
Do Bikesafe. It will, if nothing else, clear a cobweb or two and potentially make you think a tad and save you ( hopefully ) becoming a BAMABI statistic..... :'(
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You dont have to be an expert in a field to know whats right and wrong and whats wreckless and whats not.
Additionally, I would refer the learned gentleman to the original title of this thread...
[size=20]Fancy a Motorbike... but not a damned clue![/size]
I wouldn't go that far ;D
But yes, from posts in here, and reading up other places, going to a few bike shops, reading into the lot :) I can honestly say I am a bit more clued up now on whats what, and other random's...
Still a LONG way to go!!
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......Don't forget I also drive a Gallant V6, eats Migs. ;) ;) ;)
.... b ut we can change our spark plugs easier & faster than you!!!
(my brother used to have a FTO - Gallant in a party frock ... to nick Clarkson's reference about Cortinas & Capris ;D)
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......Don't forget I also drive a Gallant V6, eats Migs. ;) ;) ;)
.... b ut we can change our spark plugs easier & faster than you!!!
(my brother used to have a FTO - Gallant in a party frock ... to nick Clarkson's reference about Cortinas & Capris ;D)
And they are cheaper :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D
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Well Jaime where do you consider large - my 600 was fast but not that large - I suppose anything over 60 to 70 bhp would count.
I have seen 2.3 :o :o
I'm sure you can begin to imagine the extra performance of the larger bikes then.
2.3 - that Triumph one?
I can imagine the difference - most in 3 figure speeds I think, 2.3 is the Triumph Rocket - similar power to the 2.20 Omega
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don't pick on me just cos the Migs broke, you you you hooligan. ;D ;D ;D
Don't forget I also drive a Gallant V6, eats Migs. ;) ;) ;)
I did to try and pick something that wouldn't touch a nerve. Looks like I failed. :-[ If it's any condolence I very nearly bought a V6 Galant and have been lusting after a VR4 for a while now...
Kevin
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looks like i missed a bit of shock and awe from the big guns last night ;D :y
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looks like i missed a bit of shock and awe from the big guns last night ;D :y
It was quite interesting to watch ...just proves that when in the shit .. stop digging !!
Far too many experienced bikers here for me to add anything constructive .. but watching them shoot was fun .. :)
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I enjoyed it (http://www.pug306.net/forum/style_emoticons/default/boxing.gif)
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There is a world of difference between opinion and knowledge as was clearly demonstrated in this thread....
Or put another way, don't pretend to know about something when you don't, you just end up looking like a muppet.
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My pride and joy,, Only got 650 miles on her So far :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/bigwill4435/bb77_4.jpg)
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:o.......I have a night off and look what you guys get up to! ;D
...still, it was worth reading back though all the posts; if only to see: "Ignorant Buffoon" used in one! ;D
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My pride and joy,, Only got 650 miles on her do far :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/bigwill4435/bb77_4.jpg)
Very nice indeed, Is that the 1000 cc?
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Yes its the 1000, Its an import from america, Exactly the same spec as a uk bike and £1400 cheaper :)
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Yes its the 1000, Its an import from america, Exactly the same spec as a uk bike and £1400 cheaper :)
;D Left hand drive I expect! ;D
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Yes its the 1000, Its an import from america, Exactly the same spec as a uk bike and £1400 cheaper :)
A bloke i work with has one exactly the same, his too was from America.. He swapped his Aprilla 1000 for it :y
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My pride and joy,, Only got 650 miles on her So far :)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/bigwill4435/bb77_4.jpg)
talking of shock and awe :y.........georgous
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chaps, only just caught up with this thread after i lost it ;D
Jaime - Yes i want to go pillion at some point, prob going to wait for the summer months.
However i still want to learn to ride a bike, but just tried snowboarding... WOW... :D
So tempted to go that route as the 'hobby' but still want to learn to ride a bike.
But i think i will need leathers, not going on the back of a bike in jeans and t-shirt. I know you are a good rider/driver, but there is always the unexpected, so i will need some leather for protection!
Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
Seen a few in London, I like the looks of them, forget who makes them.
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honda hornet ,iirc they do a 600 which is based on the cbr600 and a 900 which is based on the fireblade ,good fun bikes and very reliable (i have a cbr600) :y
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...Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
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The 600 Hornet is only a small (phisically) bike though Tunnie. I get the impression though that you're tall-ish. You'd be riding one with your knees in you ears. ;D ;D
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...Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
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The 600 Hornet is only a small (phisically) bike though Tunnie. I get the impression though that you're tall-ish. You'd be riding one with your knees in you ears. ;D ;D
;D ;D
I am 6ft4, i had to get the biggest broad they had when snowboarding! ;D
BUT i am very light weight, only 10st, so it can't be a heavy bike.
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find a shop with one in and have a sit on it,see how it feels.the 600 would be an excellent first bike.you could also have a look at mcn (paper or website)bikes for sale to get an idea on prices of bikes :y
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;D ;D
I am 6ft4, i had to get the biggest broad they had when snowboarding! ;D
BUT i am very light weight, only 10st, so it can't be a heavy bike.
I think you'd drown a 600 Hornet, & your knees would definately be in your ears being that tall. I can't offer any options though, but at "just" 6' I bought my TDM cos it's a tallish bike. Weight doesn't have much affect when you're moving though.
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chaps, only just caught up with this thread after i lost it ;D
Jaime - Yes i want to go pillion at some point, prob going to wait for the summer months.
However i still want to learn to ride a bike, but just tried snowboarding... WOW... :D
So tempted to go that route as the 'hobby' but still want to learn to ride a bike.
But i think i will need leathers, not going on the back of a bike in jeans and t-shirt. I know you are a good rider/driver, but there is always the unexpected, so i will need some leather for protection!
Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
Seen a few in London, I like the looks of them, forget who makes them.
Absolutely. I have some spare protective clothing if you want to try.
hornet is a detuned cbr 600 (or 900), and unfaired. Still go like s off a shovel
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Tunnie. The relative weight of you & the bike means nothing, it's basic physics mate regarding balance which does'nt matter once on the move. I'm 6 foot 1 & @ 17 yrs. old was only 10 stone (straight up)!!
One day i stopped @ Broadwater traffic lights in Worthing. When you stop on any bike you instinctively put one foot down hence subconsiously leaning the bike a degree or two that way. All well & good till i leant the bike to the left but could'nt put my foot on the floor cos my trainer lace found it's way round the gear lever, too late bring on the feeling of impending doom & over i went at a standstill, could'nt get out from under it. Luckily the bloke in the Cortina est. next to me lifted the bike off while laughing.
Worst thing, ....it was a T reg Honda 400 Superdream!!!!!!!!!! :-[
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I am 6ft4, i had to get the biggest broad they had when snowboarding! ;D
Oh dear! Here we go again. ;D
Kevin
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...Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
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The 600 Hornet is only a small (phisically) bike though Tunnie. I get the impression though that you're tall-ish. You'd be riding one with your knees in you ears. ;D ;D
;D ;D
I am 6ft4, i had to get the biggest broad they had when snowboarding! ;D
BUT i am very light weight, only 10st, so it can't be a heavy bike.
you went sliding down on top of a women? ;D
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Booking the CBT tomorrow for as soon as possible...
...it begins...
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good luck and welcome to the world of biking,be warned it is more addictive than crack :y.....(cocaine that is) ;D
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...Anyone had experiance of a bike called the "Hornet" ?
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The 600 Hornet is only a small (phisically) bike though Tunnie. I get the impression though that you're tall-ish. You'd be riding one with your knees in you ears. ;D ;D
;D ;D
I am 6ft4, i had to get the biggest broad they had when snowboarding! ;D
BUT i am very light weight, only 10st, so it can't be a heavy bike.
you went sliding down on top of a women? ;D
;D ;D ;D
D'oh, damn mis-typing!
Good luck Paul, let us know how it all goes :y
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just to put in my five peneth worth " those who intend to ride bikes after a long break take a refresher coarse " i was a BMF Blue Ribbon Instructor (a poor mans advanced coarse ) the reason for doin this was when i became a born again with a few of my friends i met a lot of great new friends "But they all started getting killed mostly by their own errors upsettin but true :( ! so please Do train but also enjoy i do mis it at times (new wife and comitments= no bike :( )
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I would also whole heartedly recommend Bikesafe [ http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/ ] ......
No Manchester or Lancs :-? :(
It's something I've thought about a few times. Passed test 1980, & rode a 250 for a few years ...... fast forward 25 yrs ..... :-?
And if you jumped on a bike today you are simply an organ doner......
No Scottish forces either but I know that they all partake......
Its worth it. Really opens your perceptions and horizons and does make you a safer rider....... ;)
Couldn't agree more. You wouldn't go out and attempt to drive an artic without proper training, and your'e a damn sight safer in one of those. As I have said in a previous reply take some extra training, it will make you a better, quicker more confident rider. The training in our area was run by the bike section of Durham Police and the IAM and it was excellent, you only pay the observer for their petrol as they are volunteers, its for nowt!!!! I completed the course and test and definitely rode better and still am more observant as a car driver.
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Had the CBT today, but have to go back on Monday to complete it...
The instructor pulled me to the side a few times said I can have a break while the others carry on, said I was doing pretty well and picking it all up pretty quick!
Was quite an experience having to use the rear brake while pulling off or doing some maneuvers, certainly took some getting used to! Still, only stalled it about 3 times all in, so not bad :D
Only reason I have to go back on Monday, is another instructor got smacked in the rear at a stop junction outside the instructors center. He stopped as there was traffic, and a van just went straight into the back of him without slowing or looking. Still, nothing too serious, just a few bumps on the instructor, bust indicator on the bike and some other bit fell off! Main thing tho he isn't seriously injured or anything!
But yeah, pretty ace experience :) Can't wait to do the actual on-road part now, and then work towards the DAS and test :y
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Well done old man!!! You're on the first step to freedom. :y
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Jay Leno, American comic and chat-show host has his own idea of a 'special' `bike! 8-)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erBNvPK9RfY[/media]
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sounds good paul, keep us updated :y
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Cheers all :y Will let you know if I balls up Monday or not ;D
They have a little 125cc bike for sale at the moment too, so might buy that tomorrow as least I'll have something to commute to uni and back on while still working towards the test, and also while I'm saving up for the Triumph!
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some good classic bike clubs near you , what you gonna buy, ? classic bike cheap insurance not to fast ,lots of ride outs with others not wanting to break the sound limit or speed limit. worth a look
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Posted a few pages back, but ideally this one (brand new though)
http://www.triumph.co.uk/uk/Speedmaster_7665.aspx
But for now, its going to be a Suzuki 125 till I have the monies :)
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yea learn on the susuki very reliable. nice the speedmaster but i like the bonni better and they hold there money better than the speed master, but you go for it , youl love being on a bike , :y
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Jay Leno, American comic and chat-show host has his own idea of a 'special' `bike! 8-)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erBNvPK9RfY[/media]
That's the very cool Y2K Jet bike. Me want one...
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Well, ended up getting a Honda CG125 instead of a Suzuki (was sold...) Found a Caberg Justissimo GT which actually fits!! £149 tho... and as I spent all my budget on the bike, it's going to be a few weeks till I can get the helmet, gloves and insurance... Still :)
Bloody ache like a swine though today! Left leg mainly, arms a bit, right leg a lil bit... Worth it tho!
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Well, ended up getting a Honda CG125 instead of a Suzuki (was sold...) Found a Caberg Justissimo GT which actually fits!! £149 tho... and as I spent all my budget on the bike, it's going to be a few weeks till I can get the helmet, gloves and insurance... Still :)
Bloody ache like a swine though today! Left leg mainly, arms a bit, right leg a lil bit... Worth it tho!
;D ;D I used to thrash them with my GP100
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Well, ended up getting a Honda CG125 instead of a Suzuki (was sold...) Found a Caberg Justissimo GT which actually fits!! £149 tho... and as I spent all my budget on the bike, it's going to be a few weeks till I can get the helmet, gloves and insurance... Still :)
Bloody ache like a swine though today! Left leg mainly, arms a bit, right leg a lil bit... Worth it tho!
;D ;D I used to thrash them with my GP100
Yeah but it is a Honda... maybe if I stick some vtec badges on it, iz gunna be wicked man innit 8-)
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Best thing about a CG125 is that its a 4 stroke - so no dikkin about with 2 stroke mix. ......and theres loads in the breakers if you happen to send it along the road..... :y
I had one which was LFS944T (1978 vintage...) from which I sold the plate for a few hundred quid on its own. Probably now sitting on a scrapped Porker 944T somewhere! ;D
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Well, ended up getting a Honda CG125 instead of a Suzuki (was sold...) Found a Caberg Justissimo GT which actually fits!! £149 tho... and as I spent all my budget on the bike, it's going to be a few weeks till I can get the helmet, gloves and insurance... Still :)
Bloody ache like a swine though today! Left leg mainly, arms a bit, right leg a lil bit... Worth it tho!
;D ;D I used to thrash them with my GP100
Similar size/weight bike to the Honda CG125, yet the honda has more power. Don't think you could thrash them... have enough trouble keeping pace ;)
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Well the one I've got is a 2002 model, so no chance of selling the plate on as a vintage... Still, it aint bad :)
bennetts have come up trumps so far on Insurance, £87 for TPFT which includes commuting to uni and back, and also keeping it locked in my grandads garage about 4 miles away (no room at ours yet), its bloody weird though the entire cost difference in everything from a Car to a Bike, given I'd class the bike as a higher risk!!!!
No scrappies round here though with bikes in, or I'm just too used to the ones with cars and not looked further...
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For bike breakers, check MCN or, I think, Used Bike Guide./ Normally breakers, private and commercial, in there in case you need to get replacement plastic or similar at some stage.
Hopefully not, however!!
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CG125 lacks the outright power of a similar 2 stroke in its power band, but is easier to ride, and far more reliable. CG125 is a good starter, though I think you will quickly outgrow once you've got your DAS.
Practice the u-turns on the CG on full lock - the u-turn was the thing I struggled on on DAS, and faiiled first time around.
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Thats one of the reasons I got the CG125, purely for doing practice on handling and other little bits, but even after the DAS, it will do for a while as a commuter bike. May still keep it even when I get another, purely as a backup plan or something to share the mileage across.
I'll check out MCN now, see whats local!
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Well, ended up getting a Honda CG125 instead of a Suzuki (was sold...) Found a Caberg Justissimo GT which actually fits!! £149 tho... and as I spent all my budget on the bike, it's going to be a few weeks till I can get the helmet, gloves and insurance... Still :)
Bloody ache like a swine though today! Left leg mainly, arms a bit, right leg a lil bit... Worth it tho!
;D ;D I used to thrash them with my GP100
Similar size/weight bike to the Honda CG125, yet the honda has more power. Don't think you could thrash them... have enough trouble keeping pace ;)
You haven't come across both - I used to know a nutter on a CG125 and I had no problem at all catching up and passing - as standard the GP was 12 bhp the CG was about 10, that said the GP picked up revs fast and was the fastest in its class. But with small bikes 1bhp is a lot.
After the porting and exhaust my GP was faster 2 up than the CG was 1 up ( they ran into the back of me on traffic after veing passed)
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Best thing about a CG125 is that its a 4 stroke - so no dikkin about with 2 stroke mix. ......and theres loads in the breakers if you happen to send it along the road..... :y
I had one which was LFS944T (1978 vintage...) from which I sold the plate for a few hundred quid on its own. Probably now sitting on a scrapped Porker 944T somewhere! ;D
2 strokes of that age had oil injection
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Am I the only one to get the full licence with the ordinary test?
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Am I the only one to get the full licence with the ordinary test?
Do you mean the ride round the block??
That's all I did. ;D ;D ;D
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**Update**
Did on-road part of the CBT today, given the issues from Thursday with the van running into the back of one of the instructors...
Passed :)
Instructor said I did very well :) Was a bit nervous to begin with, as only used to being on the off-road section, and on a bike going 40mph+ at times was a bit daunting, but I soon got to grips with it all :)
My friend did his on-road part yesterday too and passed. We both got evaluated aswell on how many lessons we will need before we're ready to pass on the DAS, friend was evaluated to 10 lessons, I was on 6, so finally beat him on something ;D
Anyways...
Off to buy a helmet on Saturday, and get insurance too :) then I can ride this beast ::)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/PaulW21781/Honda%20CG125/dsc00585.jpg)
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excellent news paul,well done. :y :y
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Well done! :y
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now DAS, so practice those u-turns!