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The gas meter is taking some stick with this cold weather :(
Lucky we got plenty of money to burn (http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/SmileyMoneyLots.gif) :( :-\
Wish i had put in a coal fire now :-\
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I can think of a few letters you can torch steve ;D ;D ;D
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I think were turning back to the old times , candles on to save electric and wrapped up in blankets with hot water bottles on ::) you got to laugh or go insane ;D Even the cats go outside to warm up when i turn the heating off ;D
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;D ;D i can see your icicles from here :D :D :D
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Bloody Baltic here mate , bread and dripping filled me up though :P
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got plenty of letters for the CSA but i wouldnt advise burning them as they are so full of bullshit!!!!
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gas and electricity also become very expensive here.. >:(
good news, last 2 days temperatures was good.. around 19-20 celcius yesterday and today :)
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Our boiler went tit's up a few days ago. Happens every year as soon as the cold weather strikes. :-\
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My Mum had a gas leak last week, so she's had no heating for a few days. :( Damn lucky though as she could have been a little too warm!! ::)
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
:o :o What are you trying to heat up......Buck Palace ;D
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I'm burning illegal immigrants and doing my bit for the economy and country ::)
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
:o :o What are you trying to heat up......Buck Palace ;D
Yeah you would have thought so , ended up going out in the car to warm up as it was cheaper ;D
Before i turned it down i had it on a couple of hours and cost £10 , then out came the blankets and bottles :-[ All ok now i think ::) :y
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
what ??? :o :o are you living on a pack of ice :o
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
You might find it better to leave in on 24/7 we have, turn it down on the stat at night and through the day but house never gets really cold so less fuel to warm it up, that is the theory anyway.......Oh and ours has been coming on now for 3 or 4 weeks now...... ::) ::) ::)
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Been away in the tin tent, and was snug as a bug :) .. Alde "Wet" central heating.. -2 outside .. 21 degrees inside ... luckily the fridge stayed cold so the beer didn't warm up as well .. :)
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EMD, may I recommend to heavily insulate the frequently used rooms .. ceilings on every room removes serious amount of heat.. (I assume windows insulated already)
you may insulate it with wallpapers or some other items.. :y
another important point is your energy loss increases dramatically when you try to heat the home more (ie not linear)
ps: and the main door and kitchen doors looses heat as their insulations become old with frequent use..
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Log burners here. It is already minus 2 deg C outside at 10.00p.m.
My fingers are like blocks of ice. Just finished cleaning brushes after painting and staining.
What a laugh, anyone who thinks Spain is HOT in winter needs their heads examining. Can't wait to get old enough to qualify for my winter fuel allowance. :y
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Log burners here. It is already minus 2 deg C outside at 10.00p.m.
My fingers are like blocks of ice. Just finished cleaning brushes after painting and staining.
What a laugh, anyone who thinks Spain is HOT in winter needs their heads examining. Can't wait to get old enough to qualify for my winter fuel allowance. :y
;D same here.. but still not minus.. last week nights around 0 daytime 9-10 celcius..
this week rainy ,temperatures got better..
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Hi Cem
Ukraine has also been hot with temperatures up to 15-20degC for the last month, 8) but from tomorrow onwards, a north wind and a maximum daytime temperature of 0degC with snow at times for at least the next week, I don't know if this will travel far enough south to reach you?
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Hi Cem
Ukraine has also been hot with temperatures up to 15-20degC for the last month, 8) but from tomorrow onwards, a north wind and a maximum daytime temperature of 0degC with snow at times for at least the next week, I don't know if this will travel far enough south to reach you?
looking at the weather reports some of it may reach.. meteo shows next week rainy+snowy.. and now there is a strong wind outside.. :-\
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
You might find it better to leave in on 24/7 we have, turn it down on the stat at night and through the day but house never gets really cold so less fuel to warm it up, that is the theory anyway.......Oh and ours has been coming on now for 3 or 4 weeks now...... ::) ::) ::)
Just monitoring how much its using at the minute , i turn it off at night about 7pm . It takes a good while to warm up in the mornings and still not warm enough for my liking ::) but its took the chill off .
Its on its lowest setting now ... wish i was in turkey ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
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I was getting through nearly £10 a day of gas , turning it on for a few hours then off to save money ... it was set on half heat so turned it down to lowest setting and cost just £3-4 a day now .
Its off at night but waking up with frost bite isn't very nice ::) ;D
You might find it better to leave in on 24/7 we have, turn it down on the stat at night and through the day but house never gets really cold so less fuel to warm it up, that is the theory anyway.......Oh and ours has been coming on now for 3 or 4 weeks now...... ::) ::) ::)
Just monitoring how much its using at the minute , i turn it off at night about 7pm . It takes a good while to warm up in the mornings and still not warm enough for my liking ::) but its took the chill off .
Its on its lowest setting now ... wish i was in turkey ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
a few weeks after when the temperatures hit -20 you will start to think.. but probably long before that when you try to fill your car you will definitely regret.. ;D
and I dont count the taliban heads around :(
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Forecast for thursday will be - 4 , that reminds me to top up the water washer bottle on the car .
- 20 you say :( omegas wont like it that cold and a working heated seat a must at those temperatures ;D
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Forecast for thursday will be - 4 , that reminds me to top up the water washer bottle on the car .
- 20 you say :( omegas wont like it that cold and a working heated seat a must at those temperatures ;D
last year when temperatures hit -20 (actually was more) only my cars were mobile in the street 8) all others (diesel) had no chance.. :-\
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EMD, may I recommend to heavily insulate the frequently used rooms .. ceilings on every room removes serious amount of heat.. (I assume windows insulated already)
you may insulate it with wallpapers or some other items.. :y
another important point is your energy loss increases dramatically when you try to heat the home more (ie not linear)
ps: and the main door and kitchen doors looses heat as their insulations become old with frequent use..
We have double glaze doors cem , but the floor in the main living room is wooden and bare , external air bricks are causing quite a draft'way underneath the floor and blowing up into any small gaps . I have filled all i can see but still blows through >:( Only thing to do is block the external vent brick but dont know if thats a good idea :-\ :-\
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EMD, may I recommend to heavily insulate the frequently used rooms .. ceilings on every room removes serious amount of heat.. (I assume windows insulated already)
you may insulate it with wallpapers or some other items.. :y
another important point is your energy loss increases dramatically when you try to heat the home more (ie not linear)
ps: and the main door and kitchen doors looses heat as their insulations become old with frequent use..
We have double glaze doors cem , but the floor in the main living room is wooden and bare , external air bricks are causing quite a draft'way underneath the floor and blowing up into any small gaps . I have filled all i can see but still blows through >:( Only thing to do is block the external vent brick but dont know if thats a good idea :-\ :-\
if you cant stop heat transfer there is no way of living in a hot room.. :-\
I cant imagine your home design but I'm sure there is a way to stop it.. light a cigarette and follow the smoke you can see the air flow on different places imo.. :y
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Heating has been on here for a few weeks now, as I have arthritis and the cold really affects me
Last Thursday the heating went, had to get in touch with the landlord, and he had the engineer out on Friday... seems the fan had siezed, he did a temp repair and is coming today to replace parts and give it a service
I tend to put the heating on medium, till the house warms up then lower it down a bit
so it just keeps the cold at bay
Lee
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Nah, you only have summer there :D :D :D -12 now, yesterday it was -22 celsius and we do live here, honestly ;D Most fuel stations have "winter" or "arctic" diesel in pumps, usable up to -32 or -48 degrees celsius. Coldest day ever in Finland was -51,5 degrees Celsius, this was back in winter 1999. Deepest snow 190 cm... what else you'd like to know about our winter :D :D :D But it is not always cold here, warmest day has been +37,2 in year 2010.
I have geothermal heating home, enough of insulation and nothing to worry (except the electric bill) :y Some wood to fireplace in the evening, a warn cup of favourite drink and just looking out of the window enjoying the winter view :P
My Omega is enjoying every morning for some two hours of block heater with electric interior heater (like this http://www.defa.com/en/automotive/warmup/products/interior_heaters/termini_series/termini_series/ (http://www.defa.com/en/automotive/warmup/products/interior_heaters/termini_series/termini_series/) ) and it's nice and warm to get in and start when going to work :y
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We have double glaze doors cem , but the floor in the main living room is wooden and bare , external air bricks are causing quite a draft'way underneath the floor and blowing up into any small gaps . I have filled all i can see but still blows through >:( Only thing to do is block the external vent brick but dont know if thats a good idea :-\ :-\
The vent brick will be there for a reason EMD, if you block it up you may cause problems elsewhere. Gas appliances for example need adequate ventilation or you may give yourself a condensation problem causing black mould. I'd look for more gaps to fill, or cover the floor with rugs or carpet. :)
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Never sure if it's better to let it all cool down for six hours during the day and then burn hard to bring the temp back up, or maintain a constant temp throughout the day. :-\
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Never sure if it's better to let it all cool down for six hours during the day and then burn hard to bring the temp back up, or maintain a constant temp throughout the day. :-\
Let it cool down. Loss of heat through insulation is proportional to the temperature difference between inside and outside so if you let it cool down when you are out or don't require heat, it's less energy you need to pump into the place.
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We have double glaze doors cem , but the floor in the main living room is wooden and bare , external air bricks are causing quite a draft'way underneath the floor and blowing up into any small gaps . I have filled all i can see but still blows through >:( Only thing to do is block the external vent brick but dont know if thats a good idea :-\ :-\
The vent brick will be there for a reason EMD, if you block it up you may cause problems elsewhere. Gas appliances for example need adequate ventilation or you may give yourself a condensation problem causing black mould. I'd look for more gaps to fill, or cover the floor with rugs or carpet. :)
No more gaps to fill , i have blocked off the air brick temporally to see if it makes any difference ... draught only on feet now , feet like blocks of ice so must get some slippers ::)
Must add , no gas appliances :(
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Sounds like a carpet would be a wise investment, unless you're particularly fond of the wood floor. Either that or replace it with laminate, which will cover all the gaps.
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Sounds like a carpet would be a wise investment, unless you're particularly fond of the wood floor. Either that or replace it with laminate, which will cover all the gaps.
That was ripped up and wood floor was exposed and stained kevin , i think some big rugs will solve a lot of it :-\ i just found another gap and filled it pronto ;D
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"Convective heating or cooling in some circumstances may be described by Newton's law of cooling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convective_heat_transfer#Newton.27s_law_of_cooling): "The rate of heat loss of a body is proportional to the difference in temperatures between the body and its surroundings." However, by definition, the validity of Newton's law of cooling requires that the rate of heat loss from convection be a linear function of ("proportional to") the temperature difference that drives heat transfer, and in convective cooling this is sometimes not the case. In general, convection is not linearly dependent on temperature gradients, and in some cases is strongly nonlinear. In these cases, Newton's law does not apply."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer)
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Agreed, if you're talking about convection, but I'd say convection only plays a minor role in heat loss from a building. The main issue is conduction through the insulation in the floor, walls, roof, windows, etc. ;)
Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
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Agreed, if you're talking about convection, but I'd say convection only plays a minor role in heat loss from a building. The main issue is conduction through the insulation in the floor, walls, roof, windows, etc. ;)
Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
Kevin, homes are complex structures, although you can use conduction model simply, in reality there is also convection when air passages and air flow exist.. on a windy day your home will loose more than normal also :) :y
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Agreed, if you're talking about convection, but I'd say convection only plays a minor role in heat loss from a building. The main issue is conduction through the insulation in the floor, walls, roof, windows, etc. ;)
Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
Kevin, homes are complex structures, although you can use conduction model simply, in reality there is also convection when air passages and air flow exist.. on a windy day your home will loose more than normal also :) :y
Of course, but it'll still lose less if the heating is off. ;)
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Agreed, if you're talking about convection, but I'd say convection only plays a minor role in heat loss from a building. The main issue is conduction through the insulation in the floor, walls, roof, windows, etc. ;)
Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
Kevin, homes are complex structures, although you can use conduction model simply, in reality there is also convection when air passages and air flow exist.. on a windy day your home will loose more than normal also :) :y
Of course, but it'll still lose less if the heating is off. ;)
agreed.. :y
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sunday 20 celcius.. today 0 now and snowy ???
Nickbat are we doomed ? ::) ;D
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sunday 20 celcius.. today 0 now and snowy ???
Nickbat are we doomed ? ::) ;D
Well I say we are all doomed Cem, all doomed! Doomed is what we are! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well we are if you believe the Mayan calendar, we are all doomed on December 21st 2012!! :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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sunday 20 celcius.. today 0 now and snowy ???
Nickbat are we doomed ? ::) ;D
Well I say we are all doomed Cem, all doomed! Doomed is what we are! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well we are if you believe the Mayan calendar, we are all doomed on December 21st 2012!! :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Won't bother replacing my front tyres yet, then. They've got a good 1.60001 mm of tread left. That'll see me out. ;D
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
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sunday 20 celcius.. today 0 now and snowy ???
Nickbat are we doomed ? ::) ;D
Well I say we are all doomed Cem, all doomed! Doomed is what we are! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well we are if you believe the Mayan calendar, we are all doomed on December 21st 2012!! :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Won't bother replacing my front tyres yet, then. They've got a good 1.60001 mm of tread left. That'll see me out. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
It seems we get more colder winters of late , maybe i should seriously think about opening up the fire place again . That wood burner giving me ideas but we live in a smokeless zone so not sure its possible to burn wood :-\ :-\ maybe only smokeless coal ::)
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
It seems we get more colder winters of late , maybe i should seriously think about opening up the fire place again . That wood burner giving me ideas but we live in a smokeless zone so not sure its possible to burn wood :-\ :-\ maybe only smokeless coal ::)
Although I don't live in a smokeless zone I tend to use smokeless coal when I want extra heat... Which reminds me, I must get some in! ::)
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
I think it actually depends on your heating system.....
For example.....if i go around my parents house, who have a nearly new gas boiler and some of the rads are energy efficient ones and they turn the heating on.....within about 10 mins the rads are really hot (too hot to keep your hand on).
So in this case, I can see only having the boiler on when needed would be most efficient way.
In my house where the boiler is 30+ years old and roars away for at least an hour before its got the rads hot and only then when its got the water upto temp it then switches off/on due to thermostat.
In my case, its probably using more gas to let the boiler go cold and then let roar away again for another hour to get the water temp back up.... :-\
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
I think it actually depends on your heating system.....
For example.....if i go around my parents house, who have a nearly new gas boiler and some of the rads are energy efficient ones and they turn the heating on.....within about 10 mins the rads are really hot (too hot to keep your hand on).
So in this case, I can see only having the boiler on when needed would be most efficient way.
In my house where the boiler is 30+ years old and roars away for at least an hour before its got the rads hot and only then when its got the water upto temp it then switches off/on due to thermostat.
In my case, its probably using more gas to let the boiler go cold and then let roar away again for another hour to get the water temp back up.... :-\
Same here, that's why we found it better to leave it on, turning the stat down during night and day, when no one in, if we get any sun at all it soon warms up the front of the house, so that is a bonus, even in winter.. :y :y
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If your house catches the sun during the day it makes a world of difference. 8) I have a house where in the winter, when the sun is low in the sky, it goes behind a hill after about 10am and it's like a morgue if the heating's been off!!! :(
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Either way, turning the heating off when not required will give you lower bills than leaving it on to avoid the house cooling down. :y
I always thought that but we've tried both and it's actually cheaper for us to leave it on :y But we have started to turn the stat down a little (if we remember ::)) when we're out. Mind you... It's not often the house is empty for more than a couple of hours anyway ::)
The wood burner gets lit of an evening (better do that in a minute) and that then takes the temp up to what SWMBO wants and keeps the heating off until the early hours of the morning when the temp has dropped enough for the stat to fire it up again :y
I think it actually depends on your heating system.....
For example.....if i go around my parents house, who have a nearly new gas boiler and some of the rads are energy efficient ones and they turn the heating on.....within about 10 mins the rads are really hot (too hot to keep your hand on).
So in this case, I can see only having the boiler on when needed would be most efficient way.
In my house where the boiler is 30+ years old and roars away for at least an hour before its got the rads hot and only then when its got the water upto temp it then switches off/on due to thermostat.
In my case, its probably using more gas to let the boiler go cold and then let roar away again for another hour to get the water temp back up.... :-\
Same here, that's why we found it better to leave it on, turning the stat down during night and day, when no one in, if we get any sun at all it soon warms up the front of the house, so that is a bonus, even in winter.. :y :y
Yep, ours is an old oil burning boiler and takes ages to get the house up to temperature. That said, if we leave it on then it only runs for about 10-15 minutes (at the most) at a time and then only about 6-8 times a day instead of 2 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the evening ::)
Plus, one of us is home most of the time so we don't like it getting too cold during the day ::)
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I have a fancy dancy wireless thermostat thing with the 'on' temperature set to 20C and the 'off' temperature set to 17C, so it never lets it drop much below about 16.5C; although that does mean the heating runs quite a lot since the house has absolutely sod all insulation..
Oh and I turn the 'off' stat up to 18C when I'm working from home, otherwise I freeze my rocks off in the north facing office.