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Title: Legalising drugs
Post by: Del Boy on 10 December 2012, 08:43:00
They're talking about on the news, that they're going to have a chat about the legalisation of drugs. Why would they even consider talking about legalising drugs? Personally I'm so anti the stuff it irritates me it's even being talking about, however I suppose it's something else for them to tax? Still they haven't made a decision yet, so we'll have to wait and see. I doubt they will legalise it, but nothing surprises me with this lot.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Brikhead on 10 December 2012, 08:50:36
Why would they even consider talking about legalising drugs? Personally I'm so anti the stuff it irritates me it's even being talking about...

Which drugs though? They are not all so bad...
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Del Boy on 10 December 2012, 08:56:10
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: hercules on 10 December 2012, 09:10:17
legalise and tax the hell out of it and make the punishment for any bootleg dope mega high,if they can afford to buy it they can afford a fine
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Terbs on 10 December 2012, 09:30:02
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.


I totally agree. :y

To be honest...I am vehemently against drugs >:(  I am wholly the other way in as much as dealers should get massive jail sentences to get the message through. No ifs and buts....you get caught, you know the punishment, 20 years. Then get those on drugs off by whatever they do nowadays.
Sorry...feel strong on this one. Build more prisons if necessary, until this scurge of misery is wiped out
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 December 2012, 09:51:42
Hang the dealers
Make cannabis legal to use in the home.
Lock users up if used in public or if any offence is comitted where it can be proved that the affects of the cannabis has caused or added to the crime.
Treat the Crack / Heroin / addicts for free with the best treatment available if they genuinlly want to give up.  If they don't want to give up or they go back to the drugs then send them to France stick them on a island somewhere with basic food and water and all the hard drugs they want until nature takes its course and they stop breathing.

The hangings should be carried out in the local town /city centre on the 3rd sunday of every month in public.  Free entertainment should be organised by the local authorities.  This should include a complimentry pint (if over 18) and a burger.


Vote Gonads  :y
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Del Boy on 10 December 2012, 10:10:36
Hang the dealers
Make cannabis legal to use in the home.
Lock users up if used in public or if any offence is comitted where it can be proved that the affects of the cannabis has caused or added to the crime.
Treat the Crack / Heroin / addicts for free with the best treatment available if they genuinlly want to give up.  If they don't want to give up or they go back to the drugs then send them to France stick them on a island somewhere with basic food and water and all the hard drugs they want until nature takes its course and they stop breathing.

The hangings should be carried out in the local town /city centre on the 3rd sunday of every month in public.  Free entertainment should be organised by the local authorities.  This should include a complimentry pint (if over 18) and a burger.


Vote Gonads  :y

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Martian on 10 December 2012, 10:22:41
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.   
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Del Boy on 10 December 2012, 10:37:29
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 December 2012, 11:05:28
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.


The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk"  :(
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague  :(
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: hotel21 on 10 December 2012, 11:20:46
As I have said before, legalise the lot, make it free to obtain so folks can overdose and die to their hearts content. Won't be long before the gene pool shallows out the dafties and make drug use/abuse something that those with half a brain cell avoid.

Dealers would be redundant overnight, thefts, house breakins, reset of dodgy goods etc etc - the crime rate would plummet!!
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 December 2012, 12:42:01
when you legalise drugs the prices will drop and more people can buy it..  :(  and a high percentage of community will be a crack head.. :(
 
and I agree about the alcohol subject it has more damage than anything else.. :(  although I like it ;D
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Muttly on 10 December 2012, 12:45:50
As I have said before, legalise the lot, make it free to obtain so folks can overdose and die to their hearts content. Won't be long before the gene pool shallows out the dafties and make drug use/abuse something that those with half a brain cell avoid.

Dealers would be redundant overnight, thefts, house breakins, reset of dodgy goods etc etc - the crime rate would plummet!!

Not befor it got far far worse.....
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 December 2012, 12:55:53
As I have said before, legalise the lot, make it free to obtain so folks can overdose and die to their hearts content. Won't be long before the gene pool shallows out the dafties and make drug use/abuse something that those with half a brain cell avoid.

Dealers would be redundant overnight, thefts, house breakins, reset of dodgy goods etc etc - the crime rate would plummet!!

Indeed. Most of the heartache that drugs cause seems to be a result of the black market that delivers them rather than the consumption itself. Let the users themselves have it in spades. It's their choice whether they emerge from that experience through rehab or in a box.

The status quo, namely giving the users a slap on the wrist, yet coming down heavily on the supply chain, raising the stakes and thus the prices, and lengths to which the dealers and addicts are prepared to go to, simply isn't working.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 December 2012, 13:22:38
Ok Kevin and Broocie, you've sold it to me  :)

Question is, how would it be implimented ?
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: albitz on 10 December 2012, 13:31:44
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.


The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk"  :(
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague  :(

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 December 2012, 13:39:58
I remember the days how I stared smoking cigarettes.. >:( >:( >:(
 
if you legalise drugs and even if you put age limits, it will spread easily..  NO..
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 December 2012, 14:04:12
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.


The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk"  :(
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague  :(

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.


That took real balls for him to come out and say that.
Serious respect to him  :)

As for my turn around on "what to do"
The way i'm beginning to see it now is this .................... we have tried the softly softly approach but it doesn't work.
As much as I would love to attend the event on the 3rd Sunday of every month, if we kill off all the dealers, some oppser will take there place because there is power / influence / money in it.
We need to break the cycle somehow  :-\
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Del Boy on 10 December 2012, 14:13:57
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.


The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk"  :(
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague  :(

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

Well done to him for getting off of it, and to you for the chat  :y.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cleggy on 10 December 2012, 15:34:06
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

Alcohol may well cause damage as well, and I agree it's no good really either. However a good friend of mine after being on cannabis for years turned into a completely different paranoid bloke, constantly having panic attacks and feeling like a fruit loop. So yes, I do see a problem with it being legalised in anyway shape or form.


The real problem imo is the strength of what is smoked.
Some people have been smoking dope as a way of relaxing or in a social gathering for years with no ill effects.
Then again, a very good mate of mine from my school days who has used it since we was kids is totally oppsed up because of the amount he has smoked over the years.
He, as most users started off will a spliff or 2 on a weekend with his mates.
As cigarettes became more expensive, he started to roll his own.  Soon it became too easy to slip a little dope in there.  Next came "skunk"  :(
Nowdays, he has gone from the kid that everybody at school wanted to be too the kid from school that everybody avoids like the plague  :(

Sounds like you went to school with my son.He used to be a bright,intelligent,sociable kid who had a very bright future ahead of him,and had girls falling at his feet.Then he discovered Cannabis.He argued that it was his choice of cigarette brand and it was unfortunate that it happened to be illegal etc.
After a couple of years,he was like a zombie,his education was ruined,all his friends were gone,he couldnt even speak to a girl,and his brain was fried.
I used to spend my nights driving round looking for him,not knowing if he was dead or alive.He attempted suicide by various means and was disgusted at himself that he couldnt even do that properly.He cried in my arms like a baby one night,and confessed that the stuff had f****d his head up completely.I thought the stress was going to kill me tbh.
He got to a point where he was so withdrawn I thought I had completely lost him,and I was sure he would succeed in killing himself in the near future. It broke my heart into very small pieces to see my own child like that and to feel utterly helpless about it.
I had a long chat with him one night,and although I dont remember what I said, he later told me that I saved his life that night,and he stopped taking drugs.
Almost 10 years later he is a really lovely bloke who you couldnt dislike if you tried.But he still has major issues with most social situations,and pretty much lives in his bedroom,so a certain amount of permanent damage was done.
I have spoken to medical professionals who say that mental health units up and down the country are overflowing with people who,s brain have been fried by cannabis use.It doesnt affect everyone like that,but no-one knows in the early days of usage if it will affect them or not.So they (and the people who supply it to them) are playing russian roullette with their own sanity,and ultimately,lives.
Legalise it - no. Shoot the suppliers in front of other suppliers - oh yes.

A very moving tale Albitz, I don't mind admitting to  a tear  :(:'( :'(

Drugs ruin lives and yes freakin shoot the dealers, burn the poppy fields, destroy the cocoa plants, uproot the cannabis plants and toughen the
sentencing and make Russell Brand eat shit :y
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: TheBoy on 10 December 2012, 18:09:45
H21 is, as always, far too liberal. Bullets are always the answer.

Trouble is, alcohol and fags are effectively drugs. As are Aspirin. We need to be faster to respond to where the line between legal and illegal is. And shoot the illegal.

This new proposal is simply a cop-out.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: symes on 10 December 2012, 18:11:54
Wow what an idea let everyone get stoned and the government can do what they like cos we too smashed too notice ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 December 2012, 18:16:47
H21 is, as always, far too liberal. Bullets are always the answer.

Trouble is, alcohol and fags are effectively drugs. As are Aspirin. We need to be faster to respond to where the line between legal and illegal is. And shoot the illegal.

This new proposal is simply a cop-out.

yep.. definitely.. 
 
a jewish professor from israel discovered that brain receptors increase when you are addicted to anything.. and he was able to block those receptors and stop addiction by some chemicals..
 
by the way nicotine is an alkoloid and has very similiar molecular structure to eroin..
 
 
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: symes on 10 December 2012, 18:44:16
Of course the Government want to decriminalise drugs-get extra revenue from the tax :y
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Brikhead on 10 December 2012, 22:50:31
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
I feel the same way about alcohol.


Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: albitz on 10 December 2012, 23:26:29
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: D on 10 December 2012, 23:27:24
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

I doubt any doctor with a modicum of self respect and some basic training would say that. In fact tell me his name and I will be most happy to report him to the general medical council for malpractice.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: bigegg on 10 December 2012, 23:48:41
I personally think that *all* drugs should be legalised, then be made freely available, (or as freely available as alchohol or tobacco).
I don't think it's the govt's place to tell an adult what he/she can put in his/her *own* body.
It's the govt's job to protect us from other people, not ourselves.

However, it will never happen for a variety of reasons:

1. Pressure from the US, whose "war on drugs" is a multi-trillion dollar industry.
b. Legalising drugs would effectively put thousands of people out of work..
4. Unlike tobacco, alcohol, cocao, or alcohol, cannabis is too easy to produce.
 Stick a few seeds in a plantpot, leave it on a warm windowsill and a "user" can grow a personal supply without a great deal of effort. So if it was legalised, people would grow their own, instead of buying the highly taxed govt stuff.

Deaths due to the harder drugs seem to be as much related to inconsistency of strength between batches, leading to overdose.
As to the mental effects of cannabis use, there have been reported cases of other drigs being mixed with cannabis in an effort to "hook" users onto harder drugs.
A government-controlled (or home-produced) supply would, hopefully, alleviate these problems, and enable an accurate study of the side effects to be made.

Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 December 2012, 23:52:49
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Rods2 on 11 December 2012, 00:30:14
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

That will also happen when the 45p per unit alcohol pricing comes in. In Scandanavia when they put alcohol prices up, kids found it cheaper to switch to cannabis, cocaine, heroin etc. So expect this price hike to create a new generation of illegal drug users and addicts.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 December 2012, 09:30:31
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

Youngs are the future of the community and they must never be let on their own decisions about drugs/alcohol..
 
solving this problem is very easy.. collect all those sellers/producers in a square and hang them by the rope and let people watch.. I will see who has the courage after >:(
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 December 2012, 09:33:55
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

Youngs are the future of the community and they must never be let on their own decisions about drugs/alcohol..
 
solving this problem is very easy.. collect all those sellers/producers in a square and hang them by the rope and let people watch.. I will see who has the courage after >:(

Where the stakes get higher so does the price, and with it the potential profits. Someone will always be there to chance their arm, and the junkies just have to steal more stuff from innocent people to fund their habit. :-\

I suspect there is no real solution. The genie of drugs is out of the lamp and we can't put it back in. Best hope is to educate people with enough common sense to aviod them. Not going to well currently, then. ::)
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Martian on 11 December 2012, 11:26:54
Should've said certain drugs really, only caught the arse end of the news, Cannabis was mentioned. I don't think any of the rubbish should be legalised, personally I don't agree with any of it.
Alcohol causes much more damage "pound for pound" to the body than what cannabis does, and that's before we include the people who end up in hospital because some drunken idiot decides to shove a glass in their face.

If cannabis was really that bad, then I doubt for one minute my doctor would have told me to "smoke as much as I can" in the 9 months leading up to my surgery last year.
I personally see no problem with cannabis being legalised for use in the home, and at the current street rates (£20 gets you 1.6 grams) the government could make a killing overnight with the tax.

I doubt any doctor with a modicum of self respect and some basic training would say that. In fact tell me his name and I will be most happy to report him to the general medical council for malpractice.
Stage 4 cancer = chemo & radio that totally destroys your eating & sleep patterns (as well as a whole host of other things).

Cannabis helped to restore my sleep, and it also got me back from a paltry 47KG so the docs had enough meat to work on when the tumours were being removed.

My doctors actual words when I declared I was smoking it while on the chemo were "From an official viewpoint I cannot condone the use of cannabis, however from an unofficial viewpoint it won't do you any harm at all while undergoing treatment so smoke as much as you like if it puts the weight on"

Two years on I'm still alive, pretty much back to my normal weight, and no more mad than what I was before I got the big C.
Now I don't know about you, but if it's a choice of listening to a medical professional or listening to some prick in parliament that has no medical qualifications then I know who I'm taking notice of.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 December 2012, 11:48:26
When you look at the carnage on the streets of every town in the country every weekend,I think theres a good case for raisng the legal drinking age to around 25. :y
That should start an argument. ;D

Worked well in the states of the US where you can't drink until 21, and it's vigourously enforced. Teenagers move straight to drugs and skip alcohol entirely.

Youngs are the future of the community and they must never be let on their own decisions about drugs/alcohol..
 
solving this problem is very easy.. collect all those sellers/producers in a square and hang them by the rope and let people watch.. I will see who has the courage after >:(

Where the stakes get higher so does the price, and with it the potential profits. Someone will always be there to chance their arm, and the junkies just have to steal more stuff from innocent people to fund their habit. :-\

I suspect there is no real solution. The genie of drugs is out of the lamp and we can't put it back in. Best hope is to educate people with enough common sense to aviod them. Not going to well currently, then. ::)

yep.. so there will be less people who is using it .. actually only from the top of pyramid rich people .. meaning aristocrats.. ;D
 
 
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: albitz on 11 December 2012, 12:31:58
Drug use in the UK has dropped significantly in the last 10 years,so maybe there is a samll glimmer of hope ?
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 December 2012, 12:38:27
yep.. so there will be less people who is using it .. actually only from the top of pyramid rich people .. meaning aristocrats.. ;D

Maybe with some mild drugs. With the more addictive, which tend to lead to a reliance on crime, I wonder if there's that much elasticity in the price? If you can't exist without it, you will find the money somewhere.
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 December 2012, 23:53:24
Drug use in the UK has dropped significantly in the last 10 years,so maybe there is a samll glimmer of hope ?

Really??  :o  I find that hard to believe to be honest Albs...  :-\
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: cleggy on 11 December 2012, 23:58:35
Drug use in the UK has dropped significantly in the last 10 years,so maybe there is a samll glimmer of hope ?

Really??  :o  I find that hard to believe to be honest Albs...  :-\

So do I, seem to smell some dope smoking his shit every day and the muppets think that no one notices. :( :(

Lies, damn lies and statistics  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: albitz on 12 December 2012, 00:30:51
I must confess,I do believe that is statistical evidence. ;)
Title: Re: Legalising drugs
Post by: Martian on 13 December 2012, 09:26:44
I must confess,I do believe that is statistical evidence. ;)
Probably based on the fact of less nickings for dealing cannabis as it is so easy to cultivate at home.