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Title: suggestions/pointers
Post by: BazaJT on 10 December 2012, 18:33:53
I'm thinking of buying a diesel engined car,so as it'll be replacing my Jaguar I'm after suggestions as to what make/model to consider.It'd have to be well specced,preferably a saloon and come in at no more than £1200,hopefully sub £1000.Now although I've been driving for more than 40 years I've never owned a diesel so regardless of make/ model,what are the basic checks to be made mechanically on a diesel?Of course I may decide to keep Jaguar and just retire it to a high days and holidays car,as I'm only thinking of making the change as the dragonlady's disabilities mean she's struggling to get into/out of it and the Mig can take up the slack as daily driver.
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Post by: omega3000 on 11 December 2012, 12:01:18
Diesel omega  :)
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Post by: symes on 11 December 2012, 17:36:46
Diesel omega  :)
+1  :y
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Post by: BazaJT on 11 December 2012, 19:39:52
They had crossed my mind,but which engine size?For example is the 2.2 an under powered slug or as[I assume]it's a newer engine is it as good[or better]than the 2.5 six cylinder?What are common failings on either motor?
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Post by: Andy B on 11 December 2012, 19:54:23
They had crossed my mind,but which engine size?For example is the 2.2 an under powered slug or as[I assume]it's a newer engine is it as good[or better]than the 2.5 six cylinder?What are common failings on either motor?

2.2 is manual only ...... no auto option!  ;) ;)
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Post by: BazaJT on 11 December 2012, 20:10:02
Although I've had autos since the late nineties I don't much mind whether it's an auto or manual box,if the latter I'd just have to remember the third pedal and the wobbly stick for gear changes!
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Post by: 2woody on 11 December 2012, 21:51:26
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
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Post by: OOMV6 on 11 December 2012, 22:09:45
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
;D

Evidently you haven't driven any modern diesel.  ;)
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Post by: henryd on 11 December 2012, 22:15:25
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
;D

Evidently you haven't driven any modern diesel.  ;)

Just thinking the same thing ::)
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Post by: Vamps on 11 December 2012, 22:22:23
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
;D

Evidently you haven't driven any modern diesel.  ;)

Just thinking the same thing ::)

Indeed, even the Jeep can go some if pressed......in a straight line........ :D :y :y
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: Andy B on 11 December 2012, 22:29:35
.....

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

Although it's not the quietest of engines, I'll take you on against quite a few of your cars in my R320.  ;) ;) ;)
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Post by: Vamps on 11 December 2012, 22:34:34
.....

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

Although it's not the quietest of engines, I'll take you on against quite a few of your cars in my R320.  ;) ;) ;)

Yes Mercedes diesel engines are surprisingly, but reassuringly, agricultural from outside, but pretty quiet inside.......... :y :y :y
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Post by: henryd on 11 December 2012, 23:19:00
.....

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

Although it's not the quietest of engines, I'll take you on against quite a few of your cars in my R320.  ;) ;) ;)

Aye,I know that'll shift,I look after an E320 cdi and that can shift too,come to that my Signum aint without :y
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Post by: Andy B on 11 December 2012, 23:45:20
........... I look after an E320 cdi and that can shift too, .....

I test drove one of them too ......... I was very impressed by the 60 to ??  ;) acceleration  :y :y
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: mantahatch on 12 December 2012, 08:32:26
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: omega3000 on 12 December 2012, 08:41:35
I not had the pleasure of driving an omega diesel , i think all diesels sound like a bagonails from cold though ... my astra was the same but once warmed up you could hardly tell it was running  :D
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Post by: Strangechap on 12 December 2012, 08:43:17
I had a Skoda with a 1.6 diesel in it as a hire car a few months back and it didn't half go when you got the revs right.

Bloody ugly car, but surprisingly comfy.

I'd have a new diesel anytime, but can't afford one.
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Post by: Keith ABS on 12 December 2012, 08:46:16
  All the diesels that have been around for the last 6-7 years or so have the potential problem of a very expensive fuel pump failure from around 80k onwards. Something to do with how they are now built to acheive the fantastic fuel economy and BHP
Keith B
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 December 2012, 09:47:15
  All the diesels that have been around for the last 6-7 years or so have the potential problem of a very expensive fuel pump failure from around 80k onwards. Something to do with how they are now built to acheive the fantastic fuel economy and BHP
Keith B

Hardly a common issue, I would be far more concerned about injector failure or DMF issues.

The injectors in common rails take a real bashing and the later engines are even harder on them
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Post by: feeutfo on 12 December 2012, 10:08:17
.....

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

Although it's not the quietest of engines, I'll take you on against quite a few of your cars in my R320.  ;) ;) ;)

OOOHOHOOO ! With corners? Or straight drag race? ;D
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Post by: Martian on 12 December 2012, 10:19:52
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D
My brother has a Jag XF, and we have a grand C Max.....you'd be hard pushed to know either were diesel.
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 12 December 2012, 11:32:09
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D

..and anyone following you in a rag top or on a bicycle, of course, especially if asthmatic. Horrid stinking tractors. >:(
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Post by: albitz on 12 December 2012, 12:05:14
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D

..and anyone following you in a rag top or on a bicycle, of course, especially if asthmatic. Horrid stinking tractors. >:(

If they follow me in my Cavalier they will be treated to the aroma of fish & chips or maybe even curry,depending where the latest batch came from. :)
Actually,maybe TB should acquire an old diesel and run it on the waste veggie oil from that curry house he frequents.He could then divert some of the exhaust gases through a pipe into the car and at long last have his perfect air freshener. :y ;D
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Post by: 2woody on 12 December 2012, 19:11:46
Granted, the most modern Diesels are much better, but still haven't got out of the "hopeless" range, certainly for me anyway.
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 12 December 2012, 23:30:22
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D

..and anyone following you in a rag top or on a bicycle, of course, especially if asthmatic. Horrid stinking tractors. >:(

If they follow me in my Cavalier they will be treated to the aroma of fish & chips or maybe even curry,depending where the latest batch came from. :)
Actually,maybe TB should acquire an old diesel and run it on the waste veggie oil from that curry house he frequents.He could then divert some of the exhaust gases through a pipe into the car and at long last have his perfect air freshener. :y ;D

That's probably not so bad. It's the modern diseasels that seem to be the worst for clag out the back. I guess the ones I've come across:

Are completing the daily farce of failing to complete a DPF regen on the school run

or:

Have been chipped by some teenager who advertises on Ebay to try to get some glimmer of performance out of them

or:

Have just plain suffered the neglect of a manufacturers service schedule and clearly the MOT emissions test isn't strict enough to get them off the road.
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: 78bex on 13 December 2012, 01:06:26
Sub £1000 with masses of cheap parts.........frenchy pug. or a Renault maybe.
Our company hack for years was a pug 406 estate, I found it comfy & economical.
 
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Post by: henryd on 13 December 2012, 15:00:56
Sub £1000 with masses of cheap parts.........frenchy pug. or a Renault maybe.
Our company hack for years was a pug 406 estate, I found it comfy & economical.

I have one of them as a work hack/courtesy car,197k on the clock and runs as well as ever :y
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Post by: phill osey on 13 December 2012, 15:54:32
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

ROFLMAO Just wondering how 2woody would know how that sounds  :-[

Lee

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Post by: 2woody on 13 December 2012, 19:06:14
 :-X
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Post by: twiglet on 13 December 2012, 20:11:18
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

ROFLMAO Just wondering how 2woody would know how that sounds  :-[

Lee

My first thought was, considering basic human biology, how exactly a skeleton would have the necessary equipment to be able to carry out this task...  :-\

Perhaps I'm over thinking things!  ;D
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Post by: OOMV6 on 13 December 2012, 20:40:29
Sub £1000 with masses of cheap parts.........frenchy pug. or a Renault maybe.
Our company hack for years was a pug 406 estate, I found it comfy & economical.

I have one of them as a work hack/courtesy car,197k on the clock and runs as well as ever :y

Indeed. The 406 does do well
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Post by: dbdb on 14 December 2012, 02:19:23
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
;D

Evidently you haven't driven any modern diesel.  ;)

What I miss is the lovely smell of diesel on your hands everytime you fill up.  They did solve that problem 21 years before the first diesel engine though - 1876 when the petrol engine was invented ;).
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: omega3000 on 14 December 2012, 13:58:29
Im sure Peugeot diesels stink more than any other diesel , when following any of them i just have to close all air vents as its quite overpowering  :-X
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: OOMV6 on 14 December 2012, 20:51:47
Im sure Peugeot diesels stink more than any other diesel , when following any of them i just have to close all air vents as its quite overpowering  :-X

That may or may not be so. Does not matter to the OP, 'cos if he owns it, he'll likely to be driving it, as as such unable to follow it.  ;) ;)
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Post by: dbdb on 14 December 2012, 22:45:56
what if he's stuck at lights and the wind is from behind and he hasn't got the auto recirculate feature
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Post by: omega3000 on 14 December 2012, 22:54:09
Will be interesting to see what car the op picks  :)
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: BazaJT on 16 December 2012, 07:52:44
Well so far I'm taking a slow approach as to what to do on this.My current thinking[?]so far is to[in no particular order]stick with the Jag as a part time "toy"and press the Mig v6 into more daily use,or although my preference is for a saloon go for a 2.2 Saab 9-3 which is a hatchback-is that the same engine as in the mig?-or the third option at present which was sparked by the suggestion of another mig is to indeed buy another mig but the estate car version,to compliment the saloon I have now.The question is if I go the mig route which engine should I go for the 2.2 or the 2.5[did they do a 2.0 diesel]?
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: omega3000 on 16 December 2012, 10:31:25
All i know is dont go for the auto diesel  :D
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Post by: Andy H on 16 December 2012, 12:46:35
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.
;D

Evidently you haven't driven any modern diesel.  ;)

What I miss is the lovely smell of diesel on your hands everytime you fill up.  They did solve that problem 21 years before the first diesel engine though - 1876 when the petrol engine was invented ;).
What bugs me is that diseasal drivers seem to be so keen to share the experience that they feel compelled to splash diesel over the petrol pumps and the ground in front of them  >:(

I may have to fit an LPG conversion so I can get my own clean pump to fill up at ;D
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Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 17 December 2012, 14:34:07

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

MrsPete says you're a very naughty boy  ;)
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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 17 December 2012, 16:04:21
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D

agreed both of you.. but the picture become completely intolerable when you are surrounded with diesels on a blocked traffic..
 
you simply cant breathe .. cant open windows.. their exhaust comes inside even with inner cycle flap closed.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: suggestions/pointers
Post by: omega3000 on 17 December 2012, 19:25:27
diesel is a horrible, utterly spiteful fuel which belongs in space heaters and cross-channel ferries - only.

Any diesel will be terribly slow and sound just like a skeleton masturbating inside a filing cabinet. Aviod.

+1 could not agree more. Would just add they are awfull for your neighbours. when they start up on a cold morning it wakes the entire street up  ;D

agreed both of you.. but the picture become completely intolerable when you are surrounded with diesels on a blocked traffic..
 
you simply cant breathe .. cant open windows.. their exhaust comes inside even with inner cycle flap closed.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Cant imagine a worse nightmare  ;D ;D ;D