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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Entwood on 03 January 2013, 21:33:08
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It's time for me to buy at least one pair of boots for the beast ... and looking at my records since purchase I have the following data .....
On purchase pretty much brand new Linglong's all around - replaced after 17100 miles
Avon ZV5's 10300 miles
Falken 452's 15100 miles
present Toyo T1's 12800
The Linglongs were ok-ish in the dry but crap pretty frightening in the wet.
The Avons were noisy but grippy, but tramlined badly, especially with the 'van on the back.
Falkens were very quiet but tramlined almost all the time, even worse when towing, and really bad in lane 1 of the motorway where they seemed to have trouble with the "lorry grooves".
Toyo T1's have handled well but are noisy and haven't lasted as well as I hoped.
Wondering what to try next ... Continental SC3 (£122), SC5 (£130), Goodyear Efficientgrip XL (£120), Kuhmo KU39 (£95), Yokohama C Drive (£108)
Now those that know me know I'm no Stirling Moss, but I do "press on" at times, however the load factor is important due the high number of towing miles done .. :)
Be interested in anyones views ... :)
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Hmm, maybe my 11k from Sport Maxx TT isn't so bad.
If Sport Maxx TT were still available (obselete), I'd recommend them to everyone. Even tunnie.
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Should add, Sport Maxx TT size I use are 235/45/17 94Y. No idea if that is suitable for pikeys.
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Hankook Kinergy Ecos (95V) on ours .... 70 bucks each (trade) .... and er .... cash :o
No complaints .... either running solo or when towing the caravan! :y
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97 Y is what I have now, as it gives a higher load factor, or so I'm told ... :)
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Hankook Kinergy Ecos (95V) on ours .... 70 bucks each (trade) .... and er .... cash :o
No complaints .... either running solo or when towing the caravan! :y
Can't find them at 235/45 R17 anywhere .. what size are you running ?? :)
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Hankook Kinergy Ecos (95V) on ours .... 70 bucks each (trade) .... and er .... cash :o
No complaints .... either running solo or when towing the caravan! :y
Can't find them at 235/45 R17 anywhere .. what size are you running ?? :)
V isn't a fast enough rating for v6
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Can't find them at 235/45 R17 anywhere .. what size are you running ?? :)
205/65 x 15 on OE alloys ;)
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If I've said it before, I'll say it again...
Runway Enduro 225/55 R16 99W XL £69
Runway Enduro 235/45/ R17 97W XL £69
Runway Enduro 235/40 R18 95W XL £85
Runway Enduro 245/40 R18 97W XL £87
All fitted prices from www.blackcircles.com
Wim online shop off line
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Wondering what to try next ... Continental SC3 (£122), SC5 (£130), Goodyear Efficientgrip XL (£120), Kuhmo KU39 (£95), Yokohama C Drive (£108)
I think i'll be looking at either of those two for the DTi (And possibly Accelera Alpha's) which is currently running on Toyo T1R's all round but nearing the end of their life on the back (not 100% on the mileage but a fair bit less than what you have achieved). Either that or I put the V6 on bricks and use the four nearly new SC3's off it! ;D
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if I remember correctly, Opti bought Goodyear Eagle F1s (asym 2) around 90 £ size 235 45 17..
ps: efficient grips dont do well in tests..
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Standard Sc3, or mo if you want rim protection. These are good from experience of ownership, re grip/wear and stability.
However from experience of others tyres, Dunlop sp9000/sport maxx gt/sport maxx TT the next tyres on mine will be Dunlop. Gt or RT currently are the newer models, purely from a stability point of view.
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Standard Sc3, or mo if you want rim protection. These are good from experience of ownership, re grip/wear and stability.
However from experience of others tyres, Dunlop sp9000/sport maxx gt/sport maxx TT the next tyres on mine will be Dunlop. Gt or RT currently are the newer models, purely from a stability point of view.
Interesting.... sportmaxx RT 235/45 R17 Y (97 XL) are £98... wonder what the wear would be like
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I'd suggest gt for you. I think. Kevin had these, or the equivalent at the time. More mileage.
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GT's don't seem to be available in 235/45/R17 .. and the few places that do have them in R18 the price is .. well .. ridiculous .. £170 upwards !! :(
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if I remember correctly, Opti bought Goodyear Eagle F1s (asym 2) around 90 £ size 235 45 17..
ps: efficient grips dont do well in tests..
.....and they are brilliant. Check out the independent customer reviews, Mr Entwood.
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Your right. No gt in that size. :(
Tempted to try RT myself. But I'm extremely reluctant to go for the modern designs due to all this fuel saving bollarxes.
Safer bet would be sc3 but they are more expensive I think. ...? Not familiar with oe sizes these days.
I had good year eagle f1 symetric on my old 3.2 when I got it. Seemed ok if worn out. Goodyear own Dunlop uk.
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if I remember correctly, Opti bought Goodyear Eagle F1s (asym 2) around 90 £ size 235 45 17..
ps: efficient grips dont do well in tests..
.....and they are brilliant. Check out the independent customer reviews, Mr Entwood.
They look a possible .. £117 and they do a 97 XL as well ...... rubs chin in thought ...
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BTW .. I use this site to read reviews from the comments you kind folks have made .. anyone any opinion on its accuracy / bias ??
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/
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While it's OK as a rough guideline to pick out the real horrors, I think there are too many variables to consider.
Masses of different combinations of the below:-
Driving style
Car (RWD / FWD / 4WD)
Car (Weight)
Car (Power output - same car different engine / gearbox)
Roads used
Wheel size
Suspension wear
Country (different compounds in other countries)
Bullshit factor of reviewer
etc
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..and the reviewer understanding various issues that may well not be attributable to the tyre, like car set up.
....and I don't care what cem says, reviews are of no use unless the tyres are tested on the car you own. Especially when comes to stability, they just don't include that in tests.
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I take what you both say .. but like all reviews personal preference will always make a difference... given Opti's views above, combined with that sites ratings in comparison to other tyres .. methinks I'll be phoning around locally regarding the Eagle F1 asymmetric 2's but with the higher 97Y XL rating
Many thanks for all the inputs, anything else will also be considered :)
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I take what you both say .. but like all reviews personal preference will always make a difference... given Opti's views above, combined with that sites ratings in comparison to other tyres .. methinks I'll be phoning around locally regarding the Eagle F1 asymmetric 2's but with the higher 97Y XL rating
Many thanks for all the inputs, anything else will also be considered :)
probably a wise choice. :)
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I would recommend the Goodyear F1 assymetric 2's
http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Goodyear-Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2/235-45-17 (http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Goodyear-Eagle-F1-Asymmetric-2/235-45-17)
or
http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Dunlop-SportMaxx-RT/235-45-17 (http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Dunlop-SportMaxx-RT/235-45-17)
You either get good grip or a low wear rate. Dont expect to magically get both.
I am thinking of getting these as a single tyre all year option.
http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=17096561.110.6440&typ=R-159956&ranzahl=4&Breite=235&Quer=45&Felge=17&Speed=H&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=GAN (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=17096561.110.6440&typ=R-159956&ranzahl=4&Breite=235&Quer=45&Felge=17&Speed=H&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=GAN)
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I take what you both say .. but like all reviews personal preference will always make a difference... given Opti's views above, combined with that sites ratings in comparison to other tyres .. methinks I'll be phoning around locally regarding the Eagle F1 asymmetric 2's but with the higher 97Y XL rating
Many thanks for all the inputs, anything else will also be considered :)
Why? :-\
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..and the reviewer understanding various issues that may well not be attributable to the tyre, like car set up.
....and I don't care what cem says, reviews are of no use unless the tyres are tested on the car you own. Especially when comes to stability, they just don't include that in tests.
Chris.. probably its time to remind you what I did say..
I said that a test with various tyres with measured amounts is meaningful if compared on the same car and the relative test order wont change considerably on an other car..
And I dont care what you say either ;D
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If I've said it before, I'll say it again...
Runway Enduro 225/55 R16 99W XL £69
Runway Enduro 235/45/ R17 97W XL £69
Runway Enduro 235/40 R18 95W XL £85
Runway Enduro 245/40 R18 97W XL £87
All fitted prices from www.blackcircles.com
Wim online shop off line
Used Enduro's on my old Fiat Ulysses with no issues,lasted well too :y
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I have said it before, but I love 235/45R17 Pirelli Rosso94Y tyres.
Not cheap at £125 each, but give me a good comfy ride, and great performance if pushing the beast! 8) 8)
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if I remember correctly, Opti bought Goodyear Eagle F1s (asym 2) around 90 £ size 235 45 17..
ps: efficient grips dont do well in tests..
.....and they are brilliant. Check out the independent customer reviews, Mr Entwood.
They look a possible .. £117 and they do a 97 XL as well ...... rubs chin in thought ...
If I recall correctly, I paid £96 delivered, plus £10 a corner for balance and fitting.....235/45/17
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Found a local guy who's doing 4 @ £120 each total .. VAT/valve/balance and the poxy disposal fee all in .. :) So once this steering play is sorted they'll go on .. :)
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Taken to buying second hand off forum recently for tyres, £100 notes for 4x CDX alloys with 6mm Kumo 31's fitted. Done about 3k on them, wearing very well.
Dunlop Winter Sport 3Ds with 6mm tread for a bit more cash, mounted on CD alloys.
I know its no good now, but worth keeping an eye out for breakers in future.
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Taken to buying second hand off forum recently for tyres, £100 notes for 4x CDX alloys with 6mm Kumo 31's fitted. Done about 3k on them, wearing very well.
Dunlop Winter Sport 3Ds with 6mm tread for a bit more cash, mounted on CD alloys.
I know its no good now, but worth keeping an eye out for breakers in future.
Thought quite seriously about that approach.. and decided against it ... reasons actually quite simple ..
I spend a fair amount of mileage towing 1600 Kgs of van, often for 4-5 hours at a time, which is a fair amount of stress on the rear tyres. On other occasions I sit at around 85 for trips of 11 hours with just a few 30 minute stops ... again .. high tyre stress situations. Ok .. rest of the time is pootling about at 50-70 for up to an hour or so.... but it all adds up to around 12-14000 a year.
Part worns, of any make/type/description/provenance are unknowns .. have they been kerbed ?? potholed ?? overinflated/underinflated ?? I just don't know ... and all such things can lead to internal failures .. which could bite me badly if it all went pete tong.
With new, I know the history, what I've done to the tyres and where they've been (rightly or wrongly) and so have a degree of knowlege on which I can assess any risk.
At the end of the day, we rely on four very small patches of rubber to keep us on the road, for the sake of saving a few pounds, I've decided the risk is just not worth it ... to me .. but it might be to someone else... as you have decided .. :)
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Found a local guy who's doing 4 @ £120 each total .. VAT/valve/balance and the poxy disposal fee all in .. :) So once this steering play is sorted they'll go on .. :)
That sounds like a decent enough deal :y
Let me know how you get on with them :y
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Taken to buying second hand off forum recently for tyres, £100 notes for 4x CDX alloys with 6mm Kumo 31's fitted. Done about 3k on them, wearing very well.
Dunlop Winter Sport 3Ds with 6mm tread for a bit more cash, mounted on CD alloys.
I know its no good now, but worth keeping an eye out for breakers in future.
Thought quite seriously about that approach.. and decided against it ... reasons actually quite simple ..
I spend a fair amount of mileage towing 1600 Kgs of van, often for 4-5 hours at a time, which is a fair amount of stress on the rear tyres. On other occasions I sit at around 85 for trips of 11 hours with just a few 30 minute stops ... again .. high tyre stress situations. Ok .. rest of the time is pootling about at 50-70 for up to an hour or so.... but it all adds up to around 12-14000 a year.
Part worns, of any make/type/description/provenance are unknowns .. have they been kerbed ?? potholed ?? overinflated/underinflated ?? I just don't know ... and all such things can lead to internal failures .. which could bite me badly if it all went pete tong.
With new, I know the history, what I've done to the tyres and where they've been (rightly or wrongly) and so have a degree of knowlege on which I can assess any risk.
At the end of the day, we rely on four very small patches of rubber to keep us on the road, for the sake of saving a few pounds, I've decided the risk is just not worth it ... to me .. but it might be to someone else... as you have decided .. :)
Totally agree with everything. Its odd, I won't buy part worns from a shop. Feels different from OOF, ones I've got have known history.
My tyres get very little stress, 2.2 does not have the power to demand much of them. 90% of time they are on the motorway at 80mph cruise, given stress yours go though can see why you want new.
I'd buy new as well if I had a family, but as its me in my little worthless shed plodding about. £25 a corner and effective 55mpg, its a damn cheap run about!
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http://www.dunlop.eu/dunlop_uk/tires/passenger/sp-sport-maxx-rt/index.jsp?from=browse
Is this the correct size?
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Found a local guy who's doing 4 @ £120 each total .. VAT/valve/balance and the poxy disposal fee all in .. :) So once this steering play is sorted they'll go on .. :)
Have you tired Bathwick Tyres, Wescott Place, Mr E ? The Manager there, seems to even undercut other Bathwick outlets.....
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Found a local guy who's doing 4 @ £120 each total .. VAT/valve/balance and the poxy disposal fee all in .. :) So once this steering play is sorted they'll go on .. :)
Have you tired Bathwick Tyres, Wescott Place, Mr E ? The Manager there, seems to even undercut other Bathwick outlets.....
Disappointingly Bathwick don't stock these, and did not seem interested in getting any in for me ... just tried to persuade me to go for the goodyear efficient things ....
8 places asked for quotes on the F1's, so got 7 quotes .. lowest price is the £120 - (3 places) highest price was £147 and that did not include balance and disposal which would be "extra" :(
So opted for the nearest @ £120 .. which also happens to be in Wooty B .. saves the drive to Swidnod .. :)
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Found a local guy who's doing 4 @ £120 each total .. VAT/valve/balance and the poxy disposal fee all in .. :) So once this steering play is sorted they'll go on .. :)
Have you tired Bathwick Tyres, Wescott Place, Mr E ? The Manager there, seems to even undercut other Bathwick outlets.....
Disappointingly Bathwick don't stock these, and did not seem interested in getting any in for me ... just tried to persuade me to go for the goodyear efficient things ....
8 places asked for quotes on the F1's, so got 7 quotes .. lowest price is the £120 - (3 places) highest price was £147 and that did not include balance and disposal which would be "extra" :(
So opted for the nearest @ £120 .. which also happens to be in Wooty B .. saves the drive to Swidnod .. :)
Well. i guess, unless they stock them and buying 100's/1000's of them you would have paid top dollar for them, from them.
I remember, when i wanted Nankang NS2's for my Omega, my usual tyre place couldnt even buy them in for the price i was quoted fitted by Bathwich, W/P :)
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Mr Entwood, may be not necessary to remind but some tyre shops dont fit the tyre properly and the tyre requires more than 40-50 grs for balance.. and some scratch the wheels paint..
so will require turning around the wheel again.. please check them while fitting.. and you can also check their dates and wheel conditions.. :y
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if I remember correctly, Opti bought Goodyear Eagle F1s (asym 2) around 90 £ size 235 45 17..
ps: efficient grips dont do well in tests..
.....and they are brilliant. Check out the independent customer reviews, Mr Entwood.
I put F1's on a Saab 9-5. A brilliant tyre. Do not yet know about the life span.
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I am against any of this "energy saving" tyre wank. Less rolling resistance means less grip. Simples.
I am actively looking for tyres, and am looking at tyres with a poor fuel efficiency rating...
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I am against any of this "energy saving" tyre wank. Less rolling resistance means less grip. Simples.
I am actively looking for tyres, and am looking at tyres with a poor fuel efficiency rating...
agreed..
less rolling resistance tyres are plastic and cheap to build..
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I am against any of this "energy saving" tyre wank. Less rolling resistance means less grip. Simples.
I am actively looking for tyres, and am looking at tyres with a poor fuel efficiency rating...
agreed..
less rolling resistance tyres are plastic and cheap to build..
I include Continental Sport Contact 5 in that category.... ;)
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My preferred tyre only manages an F in the efficiency rating... only goes down to G 8)
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My preferred tyre only manages an F in the efficiency rating... only goes down to G 8)
I think my TT's are an E. Very happy with every single aspect of them, bar wear rate - looks like I get 11k from rears, and about 20k from fronts, so not that bad.
I'll be honest, I thought I was only getting 8 or 9k, but looking at the receipts.... ....had I had known, I probably would have gone for TT's on the Elite, rather than SC5, although I would expect the lower profile on the Elite to increase wear??
Shame TT's are now replaced :'(
I am tempted to try those Runways, based purely on your experience, but I do fear they will lack the grip I wish... ...and in 17" sizes, the TTs weren't that much more. Obviously in 18", premium tyres are way more, £150+
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Why do these tyre threads get so complicated?? ::) ::) ::)
I stated my preference, but after reading all the posts I am just confused! My simple mind says "I will just stick to my likes"; everything else seems to be subjective and only a matter of personal preference, end of! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Why do these tyre threads get so complicated?? ::) ::) ::)
I stated my preference, but after reading all the posts I am just confused! My simple mind says "I will just stick to my likes"; everything else seems to be subjective and only a matter of personal preference, end of! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
I think that is the only solution... ...although if you've never experienced a well suited tyre, on a well set up Omega, when "on it", you probably don't realise what you are missing... ...I'm sure many members here would be more than happy with TBE, even if I'm not.
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This is the problem, comparison.
TB has a well handling car... Well mostly.
By handling, I mean it feels connected to the road. NON OF THIS INVOLVES CORNERS. Planted. Stable. Directional. It goes straight. When it hits a bump, the suspension and tyres make the car ride over it correctly, rather than divert around it. The bump is handled by the car in an up and down fashion. This is how a car should behave IMO.
However, the average handling omega I see on my drive is far from that. Including mine to an extent. Yes the ones I see have faults, thats why they come to me. But the average omega does NOT handle like TB's does.
Generally, there's a lot of sideways movement. Boat like. Barge. Water baloons for tyres. Jelly like. Lots of correction at the steering wheel. Discoinserting feel. Feels like its got no grip, even though a car needs almost no grip rolling along on a neutral throttle in a straight line at 40mph, for instance, yet the car feels un safe. Unstable. Wandering. Like something broken.
This is tyres. It just is.( there are other cinditions that contribute, bushes, set up, etc, but the single most over riding factor is tyres)
Hence my attempt to discuss the issue in the tyre construction thread, in an attempt to find out why the car has been ruined by simply fitting the wrong tyre. I suppose the reason why doesn't matter, if you have tyres that your happy with. But that is NOT to say that a vast improvement can't be made, just because your happy.
All things are relative. There's the "I just took off these tyres, and put these other ones on ... and the car is transformed" A classic trap. As said so many times, the old tyres wear, handling tails off, the car becomes a hand full. New tyres are better, obviously. BUT are they better than the old ones when they where new. It's hard to tell.
Bah, I'm waffling. Suffice to say. Tyres are the single most important thing as far as handling goes. We need to nail this down IMO.
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Plus, if I'd known TT lasted as well as TB says, I'd have fitted them without question. Even if that meant going back to 17's to replicate that exactly, without the risk of wheel size somehow affecting things
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Why do these tyre threads get so complicated?? ::) ::) ::)
I stated my preference, but after reading all the posts I am just confused! My simple mind says "I will just stick to my likes"; everything else seems to be subjective and only a matter of personal preference, end of! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
You're a girl, Lizzie. Nobody expects you to understand the technical stuff. :-* :-* :-*
Leave the complicated stuff to the men. :y
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Plus, if I'd known TT lasted as well as TB says, I'd have fitted them without question. Even if that meant going back to 17's to replicate that exactly, without the risk of wheel size somehow affecting things
I was shocked, TBH. I honestly thought I was getting 8-9k. Didn't realise how it clocks up the miles now Mrs TB uses it.
I'm also impressed with how these have hung on (rears). I knew they were getting low, but was caught out how low, as they gripped, even in wet. It was only the running water across the A43 in the pre Xmas rain that the rear got titchy. Measured them today, 1mm in centre, no tread pattern at edges ::).
Whilst I don't wear a baseball cap, and see how long a wheelspin I can muster, it does frequently get launch started, and is often in the local BP, neither of which are conducive to tyre longevity.
Reading that others are only getting similar mileage from theirs..... .....well, I think that solves the dilema I was having. That said, I'd like a report from someone I knows can drive hard, knows the cars dynamics, and has Runway Enduros.....
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Why do these tyre threads get so complicated?? ::) ::) ::)
I stated my preference, but after reading all the posts I am just confused! My simple mind says "I will just stick to my likes"; everything else seems to be subjective and only a matter of personal preference, end of! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
You're a girl, Lizzie. Nobody expects you to understand the technical stuff. :-* :-* :-*
Leave the complicated stuff to the men. :y
LOL, I think there is a Kent girl driving up to the flatlands with a 12 bore shotgun ;D
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Why do these tyre threads get so complicated?? ::) ::) ::)
I stated my preference, but after reading all the posts I am just confused! My simple mind says "I will just stick to my likes"; everything else seems to be subjective and only a matter of personal preference, end of! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
You're a girl, Lizzie. Nobody expects you to understand the technical stuff. :-* :-* :-*
Leave the complicated stuff to the men. :y
LOL, I think there is a Kent girl driving up to the flatlands with a 12 bore shotgun ;D
Yep, I'm on the way! :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Plus, if I'd known TT lasted as well as TB says, I'd have fitted them without question. Even if that meant going back to 17's to replicate that exactly, without the risk of wheel size somehow affecting things
I was shocked, TBH. I honestly thought I was getting 8-9k. Didn't realise how it clocks up the miles now Mrs TB uses it.
I'm also impressed with how these have hung on (rears). I knew they were getting low, but was caught out how low, as they gripped, even in wet. It was only the running water across the A43 in the pre Xmas rain that the rear got titchy. Measured them today, 1mm in centre, no tread pattern at edges ::).
Whilst I don't wear a baseball cap, and see how long a wheelspin I can muster, it does frequently get launch started, and is often in the local BP, neither of which are conducive to tyre longevity.
Reading that others are only getting similar mileage from theirs..... .....well, I think that solves the dilema I was having. That said, I'd like a report from someone I knows can drive hard, knows the cars dynamics, and has Runway Enduros.....
Generally I used Acceleras on both the Elites, reasonably priced and predictable handling wet or dry, and would recommend these even when "pressing on". Did fit a set of Enduros to the saloon and handling etc very similar to the Acceleras, no issues.
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I think we need to define "pressing on" compared to pressing on. This is politically difficult on a public forum. If you know what I mean. :)
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I'll pop the 17"s onto Joshs car for tomorrow :y
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Interesting to see how they go Al. ;)
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Oh dear, doesn't bode well for Runways :(
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Currently fitted to the cab, so tax deductable ;)
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Try:
http://www.event-tyres.co.uk (http://www.event-tyres.co.uk)
with your post code. Price vary by region but its about 115 per tyre for me (F1 asymmetric 2), plus they come to your house/place of work.
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
so they are shite then! ;D ;)
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
so they are shite then! ;D ;)
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To be honest, after around 6/8k, I was very aware and careful in the wet. So they wouldn't suit an "entuisiastic" driving style
But for normal driving (including braking) they were fine..
It was just cornering in the wet, at more than 50% life, that let them down...
If you're just going up and down the motorway, and not really taking fast bends etc, they're fine.
For the twisties, in the wet, forget it.... ::)
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
so they are shite then! ;D ;)
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To be honest, after around 6/8k, I was very aware and careful in the wet. So they wouldn't suit an "entuisiastic" driving style
But for normal driving (including braking) they were fine..
It was just cornering in the wet, at more than 50% life, that let them down...
If you're just going up and down the motorway, and not really taking fast bends etc, they're fine.
For the twisties, in the wet, forget it.... ::)
...and stopping, presumably? :-\
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
so they are shite then! ;D ;)
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To be honest, after around 6/8k, I was very aware and careful in the wet. So they wouldn't suit an "entuisiastic" driving style
But for normal driving (including braking) they were fine..
It was just cornering in the wet, at more than 50% life, that let them down...
If you're just going up and down the motorway, and not really taking fast bends etc, they're fine.
For the twisties, in the wet, forget it.... ::)
And needing to swerve quickly in the wet?
This is why I think most budget tyres should be banned. Yes, you may cruise at 60mph down the motorway, presumably in the middle lane (:P), but emergency situations may still need grip from your tyres.
You may never go about 70mph, but you wouldn't fit N rated tyres, or remoulds, unless you didn't have all your dogs on one lead.
(not aimed as a critism at anyone, just a general rant from Mr Angry ;D)
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
so they are shite then! ;D ;)
:y
To be honest, after around 6/8k, I was very aware and careful in the wet. So they wouldn't suit an "entuisiastic" driving style
But for normal driving (including braking) they were fine..
It was just cornering in the wet, at more than 50% life, that let them down...
If you're just going up and down the motorway, and not really taking fast bends etc, they're fine.
For the twisties, in the wet, forget it.... ::)
And needing to swerve quickly in the wet?
This is why I think most budget tyres should be banned. Yes, you may cruise at 60mph down the motorway, presumably in the middle lane ( :P ), but emergency situations may still need grip from your tyres.
You may never go about 70mph, but you wouldn't fit N rated tyres, or remoulds, unless you didn't have all your dogs on one lead.
(not aimed as a critism at anyone, just a general rant from Mr Angry ;D )
yep.. you may drive according to your tyres.. but a critical surface change can hunt you at any unexpected moment..
tonight trusting my snow tyres I turned a sharp corner at usual speed (under snow) , :P the tyres were worse than I expected :-X
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My 3.2 MV6 had a set of Event WL905 17's fitted by the one and only wheels-in-motion. Lasted 15k easily, just over 50 notes a corner. Handling and ride was great, as long as you didn't drive like a kn0b in the wet :y
The facelift alloys I bought & fitted to my car had a pair of Events on them &I ran the car on them for a couple of weeks till I fitted four new tyres. Though they had legal thread, they were absolutely crap!!
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
Only done 40 odd miles on them as the car was awaiting re-MOT and I'm one of those who believes that a failed MOT cancels out the old MOT even if it has days left... simply put .. a failed MOT TELLS you your car is unroadworthy, and it is illegal to drive an unroadworthy car .... :( so it sat doing not-a-lot after the rectification on Saturday until the booked retest yesterday.
So far ... I think they are exceedingly quiet, which is good. No tramlining, but not been on a motorway at speed yet. In the wet today I have been very circumspect as I don't trust all the mould release to be worn away for at least 100 miles, and that makes tyres very slippery in the wet.
I'll have a better idea after a couple of weeks as I'll have done sufficient miles to put a little "sparkle" into the driving, and I'll have towed as well .. I'll certainly let the forum know my views then :)
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
so which 28.5 psi are we talking about? ?...the real 28psi or the 28psi on your pressure gauge... Or the other pressure gauge? ::)
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
so which 28.5 psi are we talking about? ?...the real 28psi or the 28psi on your pressure gauge... Or the other pressure gauge? ::)
On mine. Nothing else matters.
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
so which 28.5 psi are we talking about? ?...the real 28psi or the 28psi on your pressure gauge... Or the other pressure gauge? ::)
On mine. Nothing else matters.
...until somebody else wants to know the ACTUAL tyre pressure. :)
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You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
Yeah, I will most probably get the Eagle F1s based on noise levels and everyone raving about them. Just don't want to part with £500 notes :'(
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
so which 28.5 psi are we talking about? ?...the real 28psi or the 28psi on your pressure gauge... Or the other pressure gauge? ::)
On mine. Nothing else matters.
...until somebody else wants to know the ACTUAL tyre pressure. :)
People have to find their own to match their tyre sizes and suspension setups.
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
You've discounted sc5 hopefully?
They are not that bad, at 28.5psi, on a decent chassis.
so which 28.5 psi are we talking about? ?...the real 28psi or the 28psi on your pressure gauge... Or the other pressure gauge? ::)
On mine. Nothing else matters.
...until somebody else wants to know the ACTUAL tyre pressure. :)
People have to find their own to match their tyre sizes and suspension setups.
;D oh give over ;D
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I would've recommended Uniroyal Rainsport 2's, they're a quality tyre, very well priced, and have a nice looking tread pattern too :y.
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What are your first impressions of the the Goodyears Mr Entwood? :)
Only done 40 odd miles on them as the car was awaiting re-MOT and I'm one of those who believes that a failed MOT cancels out the old MOT even if it has days left... simply put .. a failed MOT TELLS you your car is unroadworthy, and it is illegal to drive an unroadworthy car .... :( so it sat doing not-a-lot after the rectification on Saturday until the booked retest yesterday.
So far ... I think they are exceedingly quiet, which is good. No tramlining, but not been on a motorway at speed yet. In the wet today I have been very circumspect as I don't trust all the mould release to be worn away for at least 100 miles, and that makes tyres very slippery in the wet.
I'll have a better idea after a couple of weeks as I'll have done sufficient miles to put a little "sparkle" into the driving, and I'll have towed as well .. I'll certainly let the forum know my views then :)
ENtwood how are your tyres going?
my motor has started to tramline badly and feels like she has no grip even though there is still tread. i really need to look at replacing the tyres i am doing some serious miles these days 2000 a month. whats the road noise like to?
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
I beg to differ. Mine are fine, wet or dry, if a little noisy. Another pair will be going on the back shortly. :y
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
Have you tried them then cem? :)
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Been gone a good two and a half hours....
Possibly getting a set fitted ;D but more likely 'No' is the silent answer :-\
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
I need to try them next time our paths cross.
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
I need to try them next time our paths cross.
You don't... They aren't suitable for your expectations of a tyre ;)
They're very good for a budget tyre but they are a budget tyre :y As I've said elsewhere, they suit Elite suspension and mine's not perfectly set up but I can't see them coping as well with a stiffer setup :-\
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Agreed. Nfg for TB.
Not enough grip for someone used to TT.
Plenty good enough as budget/mid range tyre IMO. Can't fault them for the money. :)
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
I need to try them next time our paths cross.
You don't... They aren't suitable for your expectations of a tyre ;)
They're very good for a budget tyre but they are a budget tyre :y As I've said elsewhere, they suit Elite suspension and mine's not perfectly set up but I can't see them coping as well with a stiffer setup :-\
Who said it was for me ;)
Although, with the demise of Sport Maxx TT, I'm open minded, as I'm struggling to find a suitable successor. I can tolerate sub TT grip (within reason) if 1) they are consistent/predictable, 2) they are stable
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Agreed. Nfg for TB.
Not enough grip for someone used to TT.
Plenty good enough as budget/mid range tyre IMO. Can't fault them for the money. :)
Surely they can't be worse than SC5s? (purely from a grip perspective - everything beats SC5s from a stability and predictability point of view)
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
Have you tried them then cem? :)
before trying , I look for tests.. as you can guess..
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
Have you tried them then cem? :)
before trying , I look for tests.. as you can guess..
Here we go again... Tests are...........
....... Can't be bothered ::) ::) ::)
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
and dont grip ;D
Have you tried them then cem? :)
before trying , I look for tests.. as you can guess..
Here we go again... Tests are the only clue we can find about them..
corrected ;D :y
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
You've heard TB say the SC5's are crap and I've said similar about tyres before ;) ;)
Of course... All the tests say SC5's are good but we now know from real experience that they aren't ::)
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
You've heard TB say the SC5's are crap and I've said similar about tyres before ;) ;)
Of course... All the tests say SC5's are good but we now know from real experience that they aren't ::)
give me them anytime ;D :y
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
You've heard TB say the SC5's are crap and I've said similar about tyres before ;) ;)
Of course... All the tests say SC5's are good but we now know from real experience that they aren't ::)
give me them anytime ;D :y
If they survive another trip to the local BP in Brackley later, they have an appointment with a local airfield...
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep, getting the general grasp on reality, even from here. ;D
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dont know how are UK car owners , but my citizens never admit their tyres are crap ;D
in mot stations even they claim their tyres are legal with 0 mm thread depth ;D ;D ;D ;D
You've heard TB say the SC5's are crap and I've said similar about tyres before ;) ;)
Of course... All the tests say SC5's are good but we now know from real experience that they aren't ::)
give me them anytime ;D :y
If they survive another trip to the local BP in Brackley later, they have an appointment with a local airfield...
not sure they will survive :-\
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Runway Enduro 916 don't tramline in 18" :y
I need to try them next time our paths cross.
Indeed :y Hopefully by then will have a working solution to your other issue :y ( almost there, just needs a slight tweak, followed by a proper set up :y)
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I'll avoid any tyre from:
1. Autogrip
2. Fullrun
3. Sunny
4. Sunew
5. Clear
6. Kenda
7. Wanli
8. Hi-Fly
9. Tigar
10. Triangle.
Although due to what I do, I come across cars with these tyres fitted, hence the reason realising how dangerous pretty much every single one of them is!
Personal preferences are:
1. Continental
2. Uniroyal
3. Dunlop
4. Goodyear
5. Michelin
6. Accelera (The best budget tyre I've come across).
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Whats the general concensus on r16's tyres
any recommendations i do some serious miles in my estate looking for good grip and reasonably low road noise.
i am currently running on 4 different makes of tyres i know for sure i have a nexen on there the rest are various budget tyres. think one is a wanli but would have to check. want to change them in pairs backs first i beleive.
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Would personally fit Runway Enduro 916+, excellent grip, suitably rated for the estate, perform well for the cost, but are a touch noisy :y Lazydocker has them fitted to his 3.2 in 16" :y
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Would personally fit Runway Enduro 916+, excellent grip, suitably rated for the estate, perform well for the cost, but are a touch noisy :y Lazydocker has them fitted to his 3.2 in 16" :y
I haven't noticed excessive noise at motorway speeds, to be honest. They just whirr a bit when leaning on them at sub-60 MPH.
I've tried a few sub-£100 quid tyres recently, Nexen included, and I reckon these are the best of the bunch, and the cheapest.
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Would personally fit Runway Enduro 916+, excellent grip, suitably rated for the estate, perform well for the cost, but are a touch noisy :y Lazydocker has them fitted to his 3.2 in 16" :y
I haven't noticed excessive noise at motorway speeds, to be honest. They just whirr a bit when leaning on them at sub-60 MPH.
I've tried a few sub-£100 quid tyres recently, Nexen included, and I reckon these are the best of the bunch, and the cheapest.
cool where can i get them from in a 225/55/16?
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Al / LD, is it worth quoting the exact tyre you guys have in 16", including sizes, speed and load rating with exact model number?
Just to be sure Marie can get the fight ones. :)
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Would personally fit Runway Enduro 916+, excellent grip, suitably rated for the estate, perform well for the cost, but are a touch noisy :y Lazydocker has them fitted to his 3.2 in 16" :y
I haven't noticed excessive noise at motorway speeds, to be honest. They just whirr a bit when leaning on them at sub-60 MPH.
I've tried a few sub-£100 quid tyres recently, Nexen included, and I reckon these are the best of the bunch, and the cheapest.
cool where can i get them from in a 225/55/16?
If you're feeling lazy, Blackcircles.com, or your preferred tyre place should be able to order them in :y
Of top of my head Runway Enduro 916+ 225/55/16 99W XL, sure LD will confirm :y
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Would personally fit Runway Enduro 916+, excellent grip, suitably rated for the estate, perform well for the cost, but are a touch noisy :y Lazydocker has them fitted to his 3.2 in 16" :y
I haven't noticed excessive noise at motorway speeds, to be honest. They just whirr a bit when leaning on them at sub-60 MPH.
I've tried a few sub-£100 quid tyres recently, Nexen included, and I reckon these are the best of the bunch, and the cheapest.
cool where can i get them from in a 225/55/16?
If you're feeling lazy, Blackcircles.com, or your preferred tyre place should be able to order them in :y
Of top of my head Runway Enduro 916+ 225/55/16 99W XL, sure LD will confirm :y
Rings a bell :y :y
Either these or Accellera Alpha's, although so far these seem to have the edge. Must add though, I've only had them on for a few thousand miles and not an entire life cycle ;)
I do find the Enduro's a touch on the noisy side but, as Kev says, once at motorway speeds they aren't too bad (unless you're still leaning on them hard :-X :-[) but be warned that they whir like a wheel bearing under hard braking and cornering ::)