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Title: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Gaffers on 13 January 2013, 13:30:55
No! Not in the jaaaaaaag ;D ;D ;D

After trying to get the crackshaft pulley bolt off for the last 3 hours with heat and a lot of blood and sweat she is going back together with the old camelt on.  I have a breaker bar on order, I'll give it a go next weekend >:(

Even when I was wrapped around the front of the car to get get maximum leverage, both arms on the ratchet that bastid thing wasn't moving.

Murmhuhguh *mutters something rude about Halfords Autocenters* murmghughugh........
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: mantahatch on 13 January 2013, 14:56:55
I once bent a 4 foot bar trying to get a crank pulley off a 1.8 1983 vw santana. Last time I worked on an vw.
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Shackeng on 13 January 2013, 16:55:23
Is it possible to jack it up and use the weight of the car coming down to move it? I've used this many times in the past. :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: cnj on 13 January 2013, 17:07:25
nothing like 3/4" drive and scaffold pipe !
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: tidla on 13 January 2013, 17:16:57
Worthy investment is a compressor and a windy gun for such jobs.
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: plym ian on 13 January 2013, 17:20:46
you need a 22st lump on the end.

I'm available for hire most days ;D ;D
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Gaffers on 13 January 2013, 17:33:47
you need a 22st lump on the end.

I'm available for hire most days ;D ;D

I'm already 17st and mostly muscle.....going to wait for the breaker bar  :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Shackeng on 13 January 2013, 17:38:25
Worthy investment is a compressor and a windy gun for such jobs.

I've never known a windy capable of undoing 200 lb/ft+ nuts/bolts. :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Broomies Mate on 13 January 2013, 17:56:30
Is it possible to jack it up and use the weight of the car coming down to move it? I've used this many times in the past. :y

^^^^^^^^^  This is what I have done in the past.  :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Marie on 13 January 2013, 18:22:40
IS shocked   :o :o :o :o :o :o

you dont have a breaker bar  tut tut even i have a breaker bar  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Muttly on 13 January 2013, 18:25:37
was best on the landrover tdi lumps, place bar on crank bolt, end of bar against chassis and flick started..
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Shackeng on 13 January 2013, 18:27:44
was best on the landrover tdi lumps, place bar on crank bolt, end of bar against chassis and flick started..

^^^Yep, used that before also :y :y :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Webby the Bear on 13 January 2013, 18:47:27
Guffy, are you finding that the crank pulley just spins?

What I find at school is that if you use a long breaker bar (giving you more leverage and torque) it'll just spin the crank pulley.

If you get an impact gun there is no torque and all the twisting force is applied just to the nut alone.

Hope this helps  :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 January 2013, 19:43:41
The wrong tools and poor technique, tut tut
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Guinney1971 on 13 January 2013, 20:42:52
when we first did the crank pulley on my DeLorean (PRV-V6 engine), we had the 36mm socket, a breaker bar, length of scaffold pipe, and two (admitedly weedy) blokes pulling on the bar for all it was worth, whilst I sat in the car, gearstick held in 5th and literally standing on the brakes.

The bugger shifted in the end!!

However, as its now been off, when we had to replace the pulley last year (after the car got rear ended and it got damaged), it came off a piece of p***, as it hadnt been effectively 'welded' to the engine for 30yrs :)
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: omega3000 on 13 January 2013, 20:43:08
3 portly oofer's on the end of a scaffold pole  ::) that'l do it  ;D
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: tidla on 13 January 2013, 20:50:35
Worthy investment is a compressor and a windy gun for such jobs.

I've never known a windy capable of undoing 200 lb/ft+ nuts/bolts. :y

This is machine mart junk, theres much better and more powerful out there.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cat81-hd-1-2in-drive-air-impact-wrench
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Shackeng on 13 January 2013, 22:37:06
Worthy investment is a compressor and a windy gun for such jobs.

I've never known a windy capable of undoing 200 lb/ft+ nuts/bolts. :y

This is machine mart junk, theres much better and more powerful out there.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cat81-hd-1-2in-drive-air-impact-wrench

I've got that one, it is OK for wheel nuts, but not much more. :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: flyer 0712 on 14 January 2013, 01:21:40
Ingersol rand....not cheap but you get what you pay for and dont forget to take into consideration the after sales service and how long  that spares will be available for.....so rather than buy cheap crap....wait and save a little longer to buy better...you know its make   sense.... :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Gaffers on 14 January 2013, 09:18:25
I cant go with air tools until I know what is happening with my job and where I'll be living this time next year :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: r1 on 14 January 2013, 17:09:15
what makes one windy gun better than the next?
okay some can look nicer but isnt it the power of the compressor that makes the diffrence?
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Lazydocker on 14 January 2013, 21:17:14
what makes one windy gun better than the next?
okay some can look nicer but isnt it the power of the compressor that makes the diffrence?

Quality of the components and packaging I suppose... My IR Gun would probably undo the crank pulley on said focus (never failed before) with a suitable air supply but most home compressors aren't man enough to drive it ::)
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Omegatoy on 15 January 2013, 08:02:46
lol last one i did, tried breaker bar no go, tried windy gun no go, tried bit of heat no go, then went and borrowed a truck 3/4 drive windy gun, with the compressor cut out disconnected and the compressor flat out,it finally let go in a shower of dust and rust particles,,then years ot 100k, is ridiculous,unless the car does 40k a year you will struggle!!
good luck!! only saving  grace is its pretty easy to do apart from the crankshaft bolt :y
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Marie on 15 January 2013, 15:20:06
I cant go with air tools until I know what is happening with my job and where I'll be living this time next year :y

you can still have air tools though i have a compressor and windy gun :)
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: tidla on 15 January 2013, 17:42:32
what makes one windy gun better than the next?
okay some can look nicer but isnt it the power of the compressor that makes the diffrence?

Most compressors have a max pressure if 150-170 psi.
The difference is the size of the stoage tank and how quickly the lost pressure is replaced.
Use a gun like below for truck wheels and the air is soon depleated, but even a baby one will operate it briefly.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/T2eC16RE9s2fCHcpBQmeNOEr6g60_35_zps152f185e.jpg)
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: henryd on 15 January 2013, 20:16:39
what makes one windy gun better than the next?
okay some can look nicer but isnt it the power of the compressor that makes the diffrence?

Most compressors have a max pressure if 150-170 psi.
The difference is the size of the stoage tank and how quickly the lost pressure is replaced.
Use a gun like below for truck wheels and the air is soon depleated, but even a baby one will operate it briefly.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/T2eC16RE9s2fCHcpBQmeNOEr6g60_35_zps152f185e.jpg)

The bore size of the airline and fittings makes quite a difference too
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Andy89 on 15 January 2013, 22:28:54
After trying to get the crackshaft pulley bolt off for the last 3 hours with heat and a lot of blood and sweat she is going back together with the old camelt on.  I have a breaker bar on order, I'll give it a go next weekend >:(

If you're changing the timing belt, there's no need for the big bolt to go off?, just the small ones around, (unless you're taking off the oilpump?)
Title: Re: Beaten by a focus
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 January 2013, 22:35:22
After trying to get the crackshaft pulley bolt off for the last 3 hours with heat and a lot of blood and sweat she is going back together with the old camelt on.  I have a breaker bar on order, I'll give it a go next weekend >:(

If you're changing the timing belt, there's no need for the big bolt to go off?, just the small ones around, (unless you're taking off the oilpump?)

It's a Zetec engine, though, not on an Omega. ;)

My Zetec has a 1 piece crank pulley. Never had much hassle getting it off, but it is easy to get the engine out of a Westie, then you can do this:

(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/kevin/Westfield%20Rebuild/IMGP2973.JPG)

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