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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: OOMV6 on 22 January 2013, 06:38:53
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Driving standards. Not wishing to start a thread where everybody states all the bad driving they've seen, or pointing at certain types of cars that inherently seem to have bad drivers, or even the opposite sex; but why is it that the general population think they are a good, or at the least, an above average driver?
Just take a look at the comments on here, across numerous threads. It must be the same on other car forums surely.
As an example, I caught a minute or two of Stobart Trucking program last night. Not exactly great entertainment, but saw a 21 yr old male HGV driver, who obviously hasn't long had his HGV license, and can only have been driving legally for 4 years max. He stated that although the women truckers are good, the men are better - it is a mans job. There was a women trucker with 5 years HGV driving under her belt, and she really did seem to handle the rig well, and obviously had far more experience than him
To state again, I don't want to get into men/women drivers argument, repeating all that has been said before - but WHY do people seem to always think they are a better driver than the next person?
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Could it be arrogance? could it be wanting to be the alpha male ? But I do agree there tends to be a lot of people in general who do think they are good drivers.
By what measure, I am sure I don't know :-\
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Hmm unless the law has changed you cant get a class 1 hgv till your 21 years of age!!
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Hmm unless the law has changed you cant get a class 1 hgv till your 21 years of age!!
Yes, 21 and has HGV 1. If you refer to my "4 years experience" comment, I was referring to driving. Not necessarily HGV. Anyway, that was just a side comment along side the thread topic. So why is everybody better than the next person?
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
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you got that bang on Lizzie, although i was never like that myself. ::)
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
If that were true .. we wouldn't be driving Omega's ........ :)
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The thing is everybody has different opinions as to what makes a good driver and that in turn affects how each person drives. The only person with the ability to do anything about anyone's driving is the Police and there are not enough of them about.
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
I wasn't only talking about men. So what does a car "extend" or make larger for a woman. ;) There are plenty of women drivers who think they are better than the next person, whether man or woman
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
I wasn't only talking about men. So what does a car "extend" or make larger for a woman. ;) There are plenty of women drivers who think they are better than the next person, whether man or woman
Nothing, as we use a car as a means to purchase shopping, transport the kids, go to medical appointments and go to work :D :D :D :D Our hair, nails, make-up, clothes and character "extends" us enough! :D :D :D :D :D
To answer your second question: Only those in Chelsea tractors! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Well that's jolly decent of you to say so Lizzie, I respect your honesty. ;) ;) ;D ;D
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I believe its mostly self ego, stress, arrogance, sheer bloody-mindedness.......and to impress others.
So you are on a dual cariage way, normal traffic, you are going just under 70mph...you catch up to someone driving at 55mph, minding his own business, you want to overtake, but someone is coming up fast on the outside lane, you have to slow down.......who is the safest driver ??????
The driver driving within the limit at 55mph,
You who was driving just under 70mph and had to slow down, probably mouthing off at the same time about slow drivers
The driver coming up fast at 70mph on the outside lane, who flashes by.
Right lets look at it....
The driver at 55mph...not breaking any law, but as its a 70mph limit, should he be driving faster???
You....driving just under 70mph. Should you not realise you were approaching slow traffic and pulled out earlier???
The driver travelling fast (70mph) Should he have known he was approaching a car that in itself, was approaching a slower moving car, and would need to pull out, and eased off and flashed the other car out ??? (I know 'flashing headlights) is not in the highway code, but its accepted...even the police do it)
I bet all those drivers think they are the best driver one in the right....what do you think. :y
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
Spot on Lizzie - when I bought my Ferrari Dino, mine grew by 1" ::) ::) ;) ;)
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
Spot on Lizzie - when I bought my Ferrari Dino, mine grew by 1" ::) ::) ;) ;)
Yep, for any man that is purely natural! ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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I believe its mostly self ego, stress, arrogance, sheer bloody-mindedness.......and to impress others.
So you are on a dual cariage way, normal traffic, you are going just under 70mph...you catch up to someone driving at 55mph, minding his own business, you want to overtake, but someone is coming up fast on the outside lane, you have to slow down.......who is the safest driver ??????
The driver driving within the limit at 55mph,
You who was driving just under 70mph and had to slow down, probably mouthing off at the same time about slow drivers
The driver coming up fast at 70mph on the outside lane, who flashes by.
Right lets look at it....
The driver at 55mph...not breaking any law, but as its a 70mph limit, should he be driving faster???
You....driving just under 70mph. Should you not realise you were approaching slow traffic and pulled out earlier???
The driver travelling fast (70mph) Should he have known he was approaching a car that in itself, was approaching a slower moving car, and would need to pull out, and eased off and flashed the other car out ??? (I know 'flashing headlights) is not in the highway code, but its accepted...even the police do it)
I bet all those drivers think they are the best driver one in the right....what do you think. :y
You are most probably right, in this example you chose. But why can't people be humble occasionally and say "hey, sorry man, my fault". Or acknowledge the other driver with a quick apology.
So, the point still remains. If everybody is thinking that everybody else are the crap drivers, and everybody knows that everybody thinks everybody else are crap drivers; who are the crap drivers? And by what standard anyway?
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Lizzie I absolutely don't need to buy a car my "little man" to be extended and surely I'm not alone with this opinion...
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
Erm I mean : Lizzie I absolutely don't need to buy a car my "little man" to be extended and surely I'm not alone with this opinion... :D A joke comes to mind when a man is driving in the fast lane opposite of everyone else and hears as the radio says : " please dear listeners who run on the highway to drive much more carefully as a crazy man drive opposite of everybody else"
"One crazy??? Everybody went crazy then..!!! :o" who know who crazy ? I also criticised others often but in the depth of my heart I was never sure to do it right. :-[
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
Erm I mean : Lizzie I absolutely don't need to buy a car my "little man" to be extended and surely I'm not alone with this opinion... :D A joke comes to mind when a man is driving in the fast lane opposite of everyone else and hears as the radio says : " please dear listeners who run on the highway to drive much more carefully as a crazy man drive opposite of everybody else"
"One crazy??? Everybody went crazy then..!!! :o" who know who crazy ? I also criticised others often but in the depth of my heart I was never sure to do it right. :-[
Don't worry! I was joking and trying to wind all you men up as you lot try and wind us up! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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You are missing the point - literally. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
A man, when he gets in his car, becomes the best driver in the world, and the car becomes a great big extension to his "little man", as he thinks it will attract women in a way he cannot when out of it!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'll now await the fallout; tin hat on.............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;)
God bless all you men ;D ;D ;D ;)
Erm I mean : Lizzie I absolutely don't need to buy a car my "little man" to be extended and surely I'm not alone with this opinion... :D A joke comes to mind when a man is driving in the fast lane opposite of everyone else and hears as the radio says : " please dear listeners who run on the highway to drive much more carefully as a crazy man drive opposite of everybody else"
"One crazy??? Everybody went crazy then..!!! :o" who know who crazy ? I also criticised others often but in the depth of my heart I was never sure to do it right. :-[
Don't worry! I was joking and trying to wind all you men up as you lot try and wind us up! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
But its true though ;D ;D ;)
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I see my driving skills as average. I sometimes make mistakes. I tell myself off when I do.
The other day I turned round in the street and didn't realise it was a one way. Oops! I made this guy have to wait for a second or two and you'd think I'd murdered his daughter the way he reacted! :o
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I see my driving skills as average. I sometimes make mistakes. I tell myself off when I do.
The other day I turned round in the street and didn't realise it was a one way. Oops! I made this guy have to wait for a second or two and you'd think I'd murdered his daughter the way he reacted! :o
Thanks Kate....for saying that. ;) I was wondering if anybody was actually going to admit to not always being a good driver. We all make mistakes. And it is very true, that many people totally over react when keep waiting for a few seconds, or have to slow down a couple miles an hour.
Another factor, is how many times to you either have to use your horn or flash lights in anger, or the same directed at you. If many, I would say that just by the laws of probability / averages, it cannot always be the other person at fault.
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Another factor, is how many times to you either have to use your horn or flash lights in anger, or the same directed at you. If many, I would say that just by the laws of probability / averages, it cannot always be the other person at fault.
I usually work on the principle that if I had time to find and hit the horn, there's no point doing it as clearly I had enough time to avoid the numpty other good driver..
I think I'm an alright driver on the road - I'm sure a session with the IAM or similar would improve me - and a barely adequate driver on track (I have friends who have ten times the car control I have), but my finely honed sixth sense means I seem to, more often than not, predict who is going to do something daft in front of me before they do it and I can keep out of their way. Maybe that makes me good? Maybe we can all claim to do that..
I did get rather irate with a BMW driver (oh, the irony, his was even the same colour as mine..) on the M3 a little while ago as he nearly sliced my front wing off when the motorway went from three lanes to two; something about the way he raised his hand and his driving attitude implored "sorry, my fault!" to me and that was that, situation defused. I've been known to do the same myself, too, to beg forgiveness from time to time..
Of course, when I was younger, I just left black lines on the road and left the scene of my indiscretion with as much noise and violent driving as possible. Oh, how we age.. ;D :-[
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The thing is everybody has different opinions as to what makes a good driver and that in turn affects how each person drives. The only person with the ability to do anything about anyone's driving is the Police and there are not enough of them about.
And some of their driving skills beggar belief ;)
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I believe its mostly self ego, stress, arrogance, sheer bloody-mindedness.......and to impress others.
So you are on a dual cariage way, normal traffic, you are going just under 70mph...you catch up to someone driving at 55mph, minding his own business, you want to overtake, but someone is coming up fast on the outside lane, you have to slow down.......who is the safest driver ??????
The driver driving within the limit at 55mph,
You who was driving just under 70mph and had to slow down, probably mouthing off at the same time about slow drivers
The driver coming up fast at 70mph on the outside lane, who flashes by.
Right lets look at it....
The driver at 55mph...not breaking any law, but as its a 70mph limit, should he be driving faster???
You....driving just under 70mph. Should you not realise you were approaching slow traffic and pulled out earlier???
The driver travelling fast (70mph) Should he have known he was approaching a car that in itself, was approaching a slower moving car, and would need to pull out, and eased off and flashed the other car out ??? (I know 'flashing headlights) is not in the highway code, but its accepted...even the police do it)
I bet all those drivers think they are the best driver one in the right....what do you think. :y
You are most probably right, in this example you chose. But why can't people be humble occasionally and say "hey, sorry man, my fault". Or acknowledge the other driver with a quick apology.
So, the point still remains. If everybody is thinking that everybody else are the crap drivers, and everybody knows that everybody thinks everybody else are crap drivers; who are the crap drivers? And by what standard anyway?
You think we,re all crap drivers, double zero? :)
Me? I'm a crap driver. Too fast. Too impatient. ...and too intolerant.
Lady over the road, defrosts the car for half hour with engine on and all the doors open, wipers on, kids in the car belted in screaming and shouting at 7.30 to 8.30 am every morning. This morning, in addition, after half an hour of defrosting, the inside froze up as well. Doesn't do anything about it, shrugs, as if not understanding, gets in, reverses across the close, straight over the garden opposite and busts the rear bumper on the rockery. All with about 3,000rpm of throttle and almost zero clutch bite at 0,5 mph.
Bats not an eye at the collision and drives off on full lock on ice with even more revs on at 0.5 mph until, I can only assume, her foot slips off the clutch altogether and she wheel spins off up the road, arms flailing at the wheel in blind panic. All with three kids in the back.
Now I may be a crap driver, but .... Well...... You tell me?
Terbert's example, regardless of speed. Driver should not cross the white line until safe to do so. This is true if crawling in traffic at 10mph, at the limit, or well over. IMO of course. (If the driver in the over taking lane gives you right of way, that's his right, and his alone, as you are being over taken :) )
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Anyway, any time we criticised someone else on the pages of the forum they were regarded certainly to that special occasion I'm sure of nobody on here believe that she/he is the best driver on the globus. OOMV6's provocative thread gave me a perfect occasion to take a look into the mirror whether I'm enough patient in the traffic or enough sensible at home or in my human relations ??? Hm...thanks OOMV6 for your thread ! :y :y :y :y
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I believe its mostly self ego, stress, arrogance, sheer bloody-mindedness.......and to impress others.
So you are on a dual cariage way, normal traffic, you are going just under 70mph...you catch up to someone driving at 55mph, minding his own business, you want to overtake, but someone is coming up fast on the outside lane, you have to slow down.......who is the safest driver ??????
The driver driving within the limit at 55mph,
You who was driving just under 70mph and had to slow down, probably mouthing off at the same time about slow drivers
The driver coming up fast at 70mph on the outside lane, who flashes by.
Right lets look at it....
The driver at 55mph...not breaking any law, but as its a 70mph limit, should he be driving faster???
You....driving just under 70mph. Should you not realise you were approaching slow traffic and pulled out earlier???
The driver travelling fast (70mph) Should he have known he was approaching a car that in itself, was approaching a slower moving car, and would need to pull out, and eased off and flashed the other car out ??? (I know 'flashing headlights) is not in the highway code, but its accepted...even the police do it)
I bet all those drivers think they are the best driver one in the right....what do you think. :y
You are most probably right, in this example you chose. But why can't people be humble occasionally and say "hey, sorry man, my fault". Or acknowledge the other driver with a quick apology.
So, the point still remains. If everybody is thinking that everybody else are the crap drivers, and everybody knows that everybody thinks everybody else are crap drivers; who are the crap drivers? And by what standard anyway?
You think we,re all crap drivers, double zero? :)
Me? I'm a crap driver. Too fast. Too impatient. ...and too intolerant.
Lady over the road, defrosts the car for half hour with engine on and all the doors open, wipers on, kids in the car belted in screaming and shouting at 7.30 to 8.30 am every morning. This morning, in addition, after half an hour of defrosting, the inside froze up as well. Doesn't do anything about it, shrugs, as if not understanding, gets in, reverses across the close, straight over the garden opposite and busts the rear bumper on the rockery. All with about 3,000rpm of throttle and almost zero clutch bite at 0,5 mph.
Bats not an eye at the collision and drives off on full lock on ice with even more revs on at 0.5 mph until, I can only assume, her foot slips off the clutch altogether and she wheel spins off up the road, arms flailing at the wheel in blind panic. All with three kids in the back.
Now I may be a crap driver, but .... Well...... You tell me?
Terbert's example, regardless of speed. Driver should not cross the white line until safe to do so. This is true if crawling in traffic at 10mph, at the limit, or well over. IMO of course. (If the driver in the over taking lane gives you right of way, that's his right, and his alone, as you are being over taken :) )
Absolutely not, CG. In your example, sure, the person in question, from what I can gather, should be taking a bus.
Of course there are these people out there. I had an acquaintance years ago, who after smashing into the back of someone, tried to tell me the story how it was not his fault. ;D
As for you - I have no idea. Only you (and maybe your passengers) know whether you are a good driver.
All I am really saying it that, unlike anything else we do in our everyday lives, driving is one thing that very very few people admit to being only average, or below. Anything else, people happily admit they are not the best - whether that's playing a sport, cooking, DIY, spelling, calculating. ....... you name it, there will be people who admit their inefficiencies. But not driving.
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Anyway, any time we criticised someone else on the pages of the forum they were regarded certainly to that special occasion I'm sure of nobody on here believe that she/he is the best driver on the globus. OOMV6's provocative thread gave me a perfect occasion to take a look into the mirror whether I'm enough patient in the traffic or enough sensible at home or in my human relations ??? Hm...thanks OOMV6 for your thread ! :y :y :y :y
You're welcome. Anytime.
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We're all human and make mistakes at times IMHO ;)
TBH, I get more frustrated with people making silly (and sometimes dangerous) mistakes and not acknowledging they've done it :o :o If someone pulled out in front of me and forced me to make an emergency stop they'll get the horns ::) If they put their hand up and acknowledge what they've done then all is well and good, I'll just get some space between them and I ASAP ::)
I've made plenty of mistakes in my driving career but consider myself to be a reasonably competent driver... Worse than some, better than many :y I don't think there is a simple good/bad when it comes to driving ;)
I still maintain that there should be skid pan and HGV/PSV/Motorcycle experience all included in the basic driving course and test :y
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Speaking of bad drivers - on the way home from dropping Amy off at work I looked in the rear view mirror and thought to myself "That black Audi is awfully close", and then realised that the front end of his car looked like it had gone ten rounds with Tyson.
He shot round me and another car by using the wrong lane at a roundabout and proceeded to tailgate the next car to within a couple of feet..
You'd think that having (by the look of it) very recently remodelled the front of his car, he might have learnt that a little braking distance is a good idea? But no, nobody seems to learn from their mistakes anymore :-\
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We're all human and make mistakes at times IMHO ;)
TBH, I get more frustrated with people making silly (and sometimes dangerous) mistakes and not acknowledging they've done it :o :o If someone pulled out in front of me and forced me to make an emergency stop they'll get the horns ::) If they put their hand up and acknowledge what they've done then all is well and good, I'll just get some space between them and I ASAP ::)
I've made plenty of mistakes in my driving career but consider myself to be a reasonably competent driver... Worse than some, better than many :y I don't think there is a simple good/bad when it comes to driving ;)
I still maintain that there should be skid pan and HGV/PSV/Motorcycle experience all included in the basic driving course and test
+1 :y
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Speaking of bad drivers - on the way home from dropping Amy off at work I looked in the rear view mirror and thought to myself "That black Audi is awfully close", and then realised that the front end of his car looked like it had gone ten rounds with Tyson.
He shot round me and another car by using the wrong lane at a roundabout and proceeded to tailgate the next car to within a couple of feet..
You'd think that having (by the look of it) very recently remodelled the front of his car, he might have learnt that a little braking distance is a good idea? But no, nobody seems to learn from their mistakes anymore :-\
There in lies one of the major problems I believe. Could be said to be true in other areas of life too ::)
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We're all human and make mistakes at times IMHO ;)
TBH, I get more frustrated with people making silly (and sometimes dangerous) mistakes and not acknowledging they've done it :o :o If someone pulled out in front of me and forced me to make an emergency stop they'll get the horns ::) If they put their hand up and acknowledge what they've done then all is well and good, I'll just get some space between them and I ASAP ::)
I've made plenty of mistakes in my driving career but consider myself to be a reasonably competent driver... Worse than some, better than many :y I don't think there is a simple good/bad when it comes to driving ;)
I still maintain that there should be skid pan and HGV/PSV/Motorcycle experience all included in the basic driving course and test
+1 :y
+1 as well! :y :y
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We're all human and make mistakes at times IMHO ;)
TBH, I get more frustrated with people making silly (and sometimes dangerous) mistakes and not acknowledging they've done it :o :o If someone pulled out in front of me and forced me to make an emergency stop they'll get the horns ::) If they put their hand up and acknowledge what they've done then all is well and good, I'll just get some space between them and I ASAP ::)
I've made plenty of mistakes in my driving career but consider myself to be a reasonably competent driver... Worse than some, better than many :y I don't think there is a simple good/bad when it comes to driving ;)
I still maintain that there should be skid pan and HGV/PSV/Motorcycle experience all included in the basic driving course and test
+1 :y
+1 as well! :y :y
Followed by a further test for motorway driving. Which the entire population must pass within 5 years or no motorway use.
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We're all human and make mistakes at times IMHO ;)
TBH, I get more frustrated with people making silly (and sometimes dangerous) mistakes and not acknowledging they've done it :o :o If someone pulled out in front of me and forced me to make an emergency stop they'll get the horns ::) If they put their hand up and acknowledge what they've done then all is well and good, I'll just get some space between them and I ASAP ::)
I've made plenty of mistakes in my driving career but consider myself to be a reasonably competent driver... Worse than some, better than many :y I don't think there is a simple good/bad when it comes to driving ;)
I still maintain that there should be skid pan and HGV/PSV/Motorcycle experience all included in the basic driving course and test
+1 :y
+1 as well! :y :y
Followed by a further test for motorway driving. Which the entire population must pass within 5 years or no motorway use.
Absolutely.