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Title: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 17:51:15
Can starter motors be stripped down and refurbished yourself , not sure of the workings or if anything can be replaced or cleaned ... mine keeps sticking "pug" could it be a loose connection or is it on its way out  ???
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: symes on 30 January 2013, 17:53:58
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 17:57:18
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

Ooh  ??? never heard of that , cheers symes ill look it up first  :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2013, 17:59:37
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

+1 and providing teeth intact and not damaged, lighly oil (WD40 will clean but is not a lubricant) to make sure it is free running ;)
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 18:07:17
This is same as mine

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/KGrHqNqsEnwSD0I5BQEG8zw60_12.jpg)


Anything else to check or clean on it .
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2013, 18:23:28
Provided its electrically ok just ensure bendix is undamaged and runs and returns freely on the shaft.  Also worth looking through the starter aperture at the starter ring gear for damaged teeth.
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 18:26:41
Just had a quick look at bendix problems ont web , will clean out and crud from the shaft and teeth .. also says check battery earth and battery has enough power  :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: symes on 30 January 2013, 18:30:22
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

+1 and providing teeth intact and not damaged, lighly oil (WD40 will clean but is not a lubricant) to make sure it is free running ;)
putting lube on acts as magnet for the dust :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: symes on 30 January 2013, 18:32:16
Just had a quick look at bendix problems ont web , will clean out and crud from the shaft and teeth .. also says check battery earth and battery has enough power  :y
clean(sand paper) lead terminal that goes on 13mm nut on starter-can lose power there mate
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 18:32:50
What about carb cleaner then let it dry out  :-\
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2013, 18:33:31
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

+1 and providing teeth intact and not damaged, lighly oil (WD40 will clean but is not a lubricant) to make sure it is free running ;)
putting lube on acts as magnet for the dust :y

Yep heard that - 2 schools of thought on this - personally I've always lightly oiled em when I've stripped one down and never had issues.  Agree to disagree  ;)
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: symes on 30 January 2013, 18:41:57
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

+1 and providing teeth intact and not damaged, lighly oil (WD40 will clean but is not a lubricant) to make sure it is free running ;)
putting lube on acts as magnet for the dust :y

Yep heard that - 2 schools of thought on this - personally I've always lightly oiled em when I've stripped one down and never had issues.  Agree to disagree  ;)
yup agree to disagree - pity aint got starting handle eh mate ;D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: Keith ABS on 30 January 2013, 18:47:21
  a nice light oil such as three in one would do the trick
Keith B
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 18:48:11
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

+1 and providing teeth intact and not damaged, lighly oil (WD40 will clean but is not a lubricant) to make sure it is free running ;)
putting lube on acts as magnet for the dust :y

Yep heard that - 2 schools of thought on this - personally I've always lightly oiled em when I've stripped one down and never had issues.  Agree to disagree  ;)
yup agree to disagree - pity aint got starting handle eh mate ;D ;D :D :D

Things would be much easier with one  ;D Ive got use to the windy windows  ::)

  a nice light oil such as three in one would do the trick
Keith B

 :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: Andy B on 30 January 2013, 18:52:26
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

Ooh  ??? never heard of that , cheers symes ill look it up first  :y

Because, strictly speaking, the Omega has a 'pre-engaged' starter & not a 'bendix' type. The solenoid on the side of the Omega starter engages the pinion with the teeth on the flywheel & then it spins. A bendix starter will spin the starter straight away, the pinion flies forwards on the helix/bendix and then engages with the flywheel's teeth. The advantages of the later pre-engaged is that there is less wear on either pinion or flywheel because they engage while not spinning unlike the bendix.
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2013, 22:12:58
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

Ooh  ??? never heard of that , cheers symes ill look it up first  :y

Because, strictly speaking, the Omega has a 'pre-engaged' starter & not a 'bendix' type. The solenoid on the side of the Omega starter engages the pinion with the teeth on the flywheel & then it spins. A bendix starter will spin the starter straight away, the pinion flies forwards on the helix/bendix and then engages with the flywheel's teeth. The advantages of the later pre-engaged is that there is less wear on either pinion or flywheel because they engage while not spinning unlike the bendix.

Not for an Omega mate - for a pug ;)
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 30 January 2013, 22:29:35
Take it off and clean off Bendix(thats the bit on end with a small gear) with wd40 then refit mate :y

Ooh  ??? never heard of that , cheers symes ill look it up first  :y

Because, strictly speaking, the Omega has a 'pre-engaged' starter & not a 'bendix' type. The solenoid on the side of the Omega starter engages the pinion with the teeth on the flywheel & then it spins. A bendix starter will spin the starter straight away, the pinion flies forwards on the helix/bendix and then engages with the flywheel's teeth. The advantages of the later pre-engaged is that there is less wear on either pinion or flywheel because they engage while not spinning unlike the bendix.

Although for the pug i understand the working of it now  ;) It does feel like the pinion is moving but not enough to engage so hopefully a bit of cleaning will free it up again (http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p433/jazball18/smiley_pray.gif)

Sounds just like when my triumph herald wouldnt start  ;D
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2013, 22:54:15
Probably same cause  :) ;)
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 31 January 2013, 16:00:47
What are the symptoms

The Pug will be a pre-engaged starter and you should feel resistance towards the end of the throw as the start contacts in the solenoid are sprung and there is a spring which acts to disengage the starter.
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 31 January 2013, 21:15:03
What are the symptoms

The Pug will be a pre-engaged starter and you should feel resistance towards the end of the throw as the start contacts in the solenoid are sprung and there is a spring which acts to disengage the starter.

Turn key then on occasions it will just give a click and wont turn motor , then other times it will start fine  :-\
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: symes on 31 January 2013, 21:20:30
as said earlier take it off give it a clean and refit mate  :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 31 January 2013, 21:24:33
as said earlier take it off give it a clean and refit mate  :y

 :y
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 February 2013, 20:28:01
Its more likely to be the solenoid
Title: Re: Starter Motors
Post by: omega3000 on 01 February 2013, 20:39:09
Its more likely to be the solenoid

Is that a replaceable part ?  :-\