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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 19 February 2013, 23:27:27
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281194/Government-invests-37m-electric-cars-despite-2-000-sold-year.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281194/Government-invests-37m-electric-cars-despite-2-000-sold-year.html)
Oh, yes, and we will soon be down to 5% National Grid grid tolerance after we've closed a few more power stations...
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
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Now now Nick, don't get too charged up about it!! :)
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Now now Nick, don't get too charged up about it!! :)
I shan't Tiggs! :y
I may not be the brightest thing around, but even I can see this government is leading us off the edge of a cliff.
To quote from M*A*S*H in the 80s:
It's like being on a sinking ship, running up to the bridge and finding the captain's Daffy Duck
That's my view of Cameron Camoron. ;)
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Now now Nick, don't get too charged up about it!! :)
Or in a spin.
Honestly thou, I read your posts and cannot believe that those in power (no pun Intended) cannot see the black hole we are heading into. (it just happens)
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How the press report it.
"The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. "
How it should be reported.
The government has announced that the tax payer will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways.
The press, especially the bbc are very complicit in these things. :(
We have to change the idea of "government money" and change it to "tax payers money". One thing the americans get right, they do not loose sight of whose money it is being spent by their government.
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I will order one asap
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A glad i don't live in the UK with all the extra taxes
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You could always "break the mould" and actually publish the "whole" story, rather than just the bits you like :)
The government estimates that it will cost between about £1,000 and £1,500 for drivers with off-street parking to install charging points in their garages or driveways; it will fund 75% of this cost, up to a maximum contribution of £1,000.
"Today's government announcement marks a change in strategy from piloting infrastructure installation, which has led to a postcode lottery of support, to the beginnings of a strategically planned national charging infrastructure.
But that doesn't sit with the "bash the government" agenda does it .. :)
Now .. who was it who wanted the government to invest in infrastucture projects ?? can't quite remember .... :)
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
I fully agree Nick! :y :y :y :y :y
Why should we who buy our fuel at full price subsidise those few who have electric cars? It just does not make sense. Those motorists should pay for the electric at market prices. ;)
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
I fully agree Nick! :y :y :y :y :y
Why should we who buy our fuel at full price subsidise those few who have electric cars? It just does not make sense. Those motorists should pay for the electric at market prices. ;)
Lizzie, I'm afraid your comment simply proves you did not actually read the article before hitting the keyboard.
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
I fully agree Nick! :y :y :y :y :y
Why should we who buy our fuel at full price subsidise those few who have electric cars? It just does not make sense. Those motorists should pay for the electric at market prices. ;)
Lizzie, I'm afraid your comment simply proves you did not actually read the article before hitting the keyboard.
I did Entwood, and have just re-read them. How are my comments wrong? In fact I can add that this subsidy that you and I will pay, on top of the electric used, is also added to the £5,000 per car ‘green’ subsidy that purchasers of such vehicles enjoy. ;) ;)
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
I fully agree Nick! :y :y :y :y :y
Why should we who buy our fuel at full price subsidise those few who have electric cars? It just does not make sense. Those motorists should pay for the electric at market prices. ;)
Lizzie, I'm afraid your comment simply proves you did not actually read the article before hitting the keyboard.
I did Entwood, and have just re-read them. How are my comments wrong? In fact I can add that this subsidy that you and I will pay, on top of the electric used, is also added to the £5,000 per car ‘green’ subsidy that purchasers of such vehicles enjoy. ;) ;)
Your comments refer to the price of the electric, not the cost of installing it. The government are helping the construction of the points, not they electric the provide.
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You could always "break the mould" and actually publish the "whole" story, rather than just the bits you like :)
The government estimates that it will cost between about £1,000 and £1,500 for drivers with off-street parking to install charging points in their garages or driveways; it will fund 75% of this cost, up to a maximum contribution of £1,000.
"Today's government announcement marks a change in strategy from piloting infrastructure installation, which has led to a postcode lottery of support, to the beginnings of a strategically planned national charging infrastructure.
But that doesn't sit with the "bash the government" agenda does it .. :)
Now .. who was it who wanted the government to invest in infrastucture projects ?? can't quite remember .... :)
I posted the parts I thought were pertinent.
I don't have an agenda - this appalling government makes the agenda. >:(
£37m is a lot of money to throw at a useless idea. There is no way that electric cars will become the norm anytime soon. We're just paying for a few smug Notting Hill types to feel superior. ::)
For a long time, my school has needed £1m to address the issue of severe overcrowding - that would be a sensible way to spend the money. :y
No, I have not pressed for the government to invest in infrastructure projects – I am heartily against HS2. I suggest you are confusing me with someone else. ;)
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The government has announced that it will cover up to 75% of the cost of installing charging points for electric vehicles in garages and driveways. (cost £37m)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21503532)
"IT" will cover?
Surely that means we (the taxpayers) will cover up to 75%...
Remind me. How many electric cars were sold in the UK last year?
2,300
Absolutely bonkers. >:( >:( >:(
I fully agree Nick! :y :y :y :y :y
Why should we who buy our fuel at full price subsidise those few who have electric cars? It just does not make sense. Those motorists should pay for the electric at market prices. ;)
Lizzie, I'm afraid your comment simply proves you did not actually read the article before hitting the keyboard.
I did Entwood, and have just re-read them. How are my comments wrong? In fact I can add that this subsidy that you and I will pay, on top of the electric used, is also added to the £5,000 per car ‘green’ subsidy that purchasers of such vehicles enjoy. ;) ;)
Your comments refer to the price of the electric, not the cost of installing it. The government are helping the construction of the points, not they electric the provide.
Yes, I know that Tunnie. What I am saying, obviously not clearly enough, is that the Government should seek the cost of the subsidy of installing these plug points by way of charging for the electric used from them. As we petrol heads actually "pay" in the price of our fuel for the garage operating costs that includes the pumps. The taxpayer does not subsidise the cost of those pumps so why should they for the electric plug-in points?
I hope that clarifies what I mean :y :y :y :y
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Did the first passengers on the Trains have to pay for the cost of the lines, tracks, signalling ??
Did the first users of the Underground have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first users of the Channel Tunnel have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first Car users have to pay for the construction of roads ?
Did the first aircraft passengers have to pay for the runways ?
Did the first users of Electricity have to pay for the building of Power Stations ??
The list goes on and on and on and on and ................
In all those fields we led the world .... I wonder why ....
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In all those fields we led the world .... I wonder why ....
Because the Chinese couldn't make them cheaper [at the time]? ;)
*runs away from the politichat again*
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Did the first passengers on the Trains have to pay for the cost of the lines, tracks, signalling ??
Did the first users of the Underground have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first users of the Channel Tunnel have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first Car users have to pay for the construction of roads ?
Did the first aircraft passengers have to pay for the runways ?
Did the first users of Electricity have to pay for the building of Power Stations ??
The list goes on and on and on and on and ................
In all those fields we led the world .... I wonder why ....
Wow! Quite a list Entwood! :D :D :D :D :y :y
Well in many cases, like the first trains, the first first car users, the first users of electric, YES they had to pay in the ticket prices / bills, or with the car the road fund licence for the cost of the infrastructure. Certainly in Victorian England it was not the liberal minded, subsidy gifting government running the country, but hard nosed business and landed gentry souls who championed private enterprise, with all costs met by private investors. In the case of the railways it led to Railway Mania of the 1840's which subsequently ruined many private individuals as their investments became worthless. Private land, private funds, and no government subsidy, that I am aware of, funded the railways and they either succeeded or went bust! ;)
With airports the fare paying passenger pays for the infrastructure through the price of the ticket to the airline who in turns pays airport taxes and other costs.
In the case of the Chunnel built in the modern age of government subsidy, ok we the taxpayer HAVE subsidised that, but at least that is a national capital project created out of national interests. Not for the private individual. :y :y
So in all Entwood we, the British, led the World when private enterprise paid for all industrial and commercial developments. The British India Company was a commercial company that created wealth and power for Britain. It was the likes of the Great Western Railway Company who created the network of railways. Etc, etc, all done with private investment, no government subsidy. :y :y
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Did the first passengers on the Trains have to pay for the cost of the lines, tracks, signalling ??
Did the first users of the Underground have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first users of the Channel Tunnel have to pay the tunneling costs ?
Did the first Car users have to pay for the construction of roads ?
Did the first aircraft passengers have to pay for the runways ?
Did the first users of Electricity have to pay for the building of Power Stations ??
The list goes on and on and on and on and ................
In all those fields we led the world .... I wonder why ....
Did the motorist have to pay for the QE2 bridge on the M25? (And they are still paying over and above the cost!)
Will the mobile user pay for the 4G network?
etc., etc. ;)
Besides which, the government is paying with OUR money. We should have a say and, increasingly, we are having less and less of a say. >:( :(
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I think encouraging people to use electric cars is extremely valid.
If you think that oil will be economically attainable forever, you are deluded.
I expect to own an all-electric car within the next five years. :y
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Lizzie, may I refer you to your posts #7, #22, #41 & #52 in this thread ??
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=111491.0
I assume you have now changed your mind and expect all the passengers to pay for the infrastructure costs ??
Or is "OK" as its a rail thing ?? but "road" things are bad ??
Confused of Wiltshire .... :(
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I think encouraging people to use electric cars is extremely valid.
If you think that oil will be economically attainable forever, you are deluded.
I expect to own an all-electric car within the next five years. :y
At the moment, electric cars are thoroughly useless, unless you happen to live in a big city and don't expect to undertake and long distance/motorway driving. The only way to make them viable is to have petrol stations stock fully charged batteries and have the cars designed so that you can pull into a station and change the battery as easily as you would normally fill up. That may happen, but I think it will be a decade or so before it becomes a reality. Also, given the parlous state of our national grid, I can not rule out the government urging us NOT to use electricity in the not-too-distant future. ;) ;D
At the moment, I can see no chance of electric cars achieving anything but paltry sales. Look at my OP and see how many were sold in the entire country last year!
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I saw a motoring journo interviewed about electric cars on TV yesterday.He had spent a lot of time driving them and said that manufacturers calims for performance were nonsense.They dont cover anything like the claimed distances,and if any electrical circuits such as lights,heater etc are used,the miles per charge are reduced to laughable distances.
At some point in the future they may be viable,but the govt. shouldnt be rushing into creating an infrastructure for the wrong reasons - appease the limpdems and other collective tree huggers,trying yet again to "detoxify" the Tory party,appeal to gullible voters etc.
We should probably be having this discussion in 10 years time,and those who are for it would then have a much stronger argument.
At present imo,its stretching the credibility of definition of infrastructure to refer to it as an infrastructure project.There isnt really a need or demand for it outside major cities,and it will be quite a while before there is.
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Also, given the parlous state of our national grid, I can not rule out the government urging us NOT to use electricity in the not-too-distant future. ;) ;D
Haven't they been doing that for years already under the auspices of the green banner?
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Nickbat:
Lots of people only commute relatively short distances.
Lots of families have more than one car, one of which could be electric, the other not. This would give the flexibility required to cover long journeys etc.
Recharging is generally an overnight thing, so grid loading worries are irrelevant.
Yes, there aren't many around yet, which is why encouragement is a good thing.
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I think encouraging people to use electric cars is extremely valid.
If you think that oil will be economically attainable forever, you are deluded.
I expect to own an all-electric car within the next five years. :y
At the moment, electric cars are thoroughly useless, unless you happen to live in a big city and don't expect to undertake and long distance/motorway driving. The only way to make them viable is to have petrol stations stock fully charged batteries and have the cars designed so that you can pull into a station and change the battery as easily as you would normally fill up. That may happen, but I think it will be a decade or so before it becomes a reality. Also, given the parlous state of our national grid, I can not rule out the government urging us NOT to use electricity in the not-too-distant future. ;) ;D
At the moment, I can see no chance of electric cars achieving anything but paltry sales. Look at my OP and see how many were sold in the entire country last year!
If/when battery technology improves the range issues then sales will go up.
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Lizzie, may I refer you to your posts #7, #22, #41 & #52 in this thread ??
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=111491.0
I assume you have now changed your mind and expect all the passengers to pay for the infrastructure costs ??
Or is "OK" as its a rail thing ?? but "road" things are bad ??
Confused of Wiltshire .... :(
Yes, sorry Entwood, I can understand how I am confusing you :D :D ;)
I do tend to have two principles on these matters as, I believe anyway, the subject is a complicated one when trying to draw a line between the responsibilities of private individuals / companies and those of the government of our fair land.
With railways they should be viewed as the way mass transportation of both passengers and freight should be in the rest of the 21st century. Passengers, and the companies using the railways for freight, should pay for the travel and towards the upkeep of the railway system. The complication comes with the matter of catching up with the rebuilding of that infrasture that was for at least 50 years left to decline without the investment it required. British Railways were formed on 1st January 1948 with the government of the day taking on the liabilities of the system. However railways were becoming rapidly less fashionable and the government left them to basically rot, unlike the BR predecessors', the 'Big Four' railway companies who used private money and much commitment in a true competitive commercial market to run and improve their investment. BR / the government ignored those principles and have created for us in 2012 a railway system infrasture that is still creaking and straining under the demands of today, with passenger numbers at their highest ever.
We, the taxpayer should pay a percentage of the cost to Network Rail for the billions of pounds of work that is required to update the railway system to give the nation the transport choices we will need in 2050 and beyond, if not as of now!
With the car it is certain, and I am never happy as a petrol head to admit this, it's days in the form we are so used to are numbered. By 2050, with a population of 65 going on to 70 million, we can not possibly build enough motorways of sufficient size to have a swelled number of motorists travelling around between cities without huge tailbacks and general hold-ups. The government therefore must encourage, and this is already happening in many respects, greater use of public transport. This will cost billions of taxpayers money, unless, and I strongly favour this, private enterprise to pay for the giant upgrade required to all forms of public transport, with them enjoying the profits from their created business to reward them fully.
It would be great if we, the British, could afford all that his on our 'wish list'. Electric cars for all with all costs paid for; new and extended railway, metro, and underground systems, with buses running in great numbers locally as they do in London, and roads all upgraded to cope with any demands placed on them in the 21st century.
However, the sad truth is our government now or in the foreseeable future will not have enough of our money to pay for all this. Hard choices have to be made. This is where I end up splitting my principles Nigel. My choice is to give high subsidy from us, the tax payer, to the development of the public transport system, with rail travel given the priority. To do this we, the tax payer, cannot pay for subsides given to private transport for individuals. As from the beginning of car usage, it is the owner and user of that vehicle to pay for their running costs. That includes any new form of private, low occupation, vehicle such as electric cars. As with petrol / diesel vehicles, the owner and user should pay for the electric 'fuel' they use, as you and I pay for it in our homes, with a percentage in that price to allow for the creation and maintenance of the infrasture such as charging points. I suggest the power company's should be given the chance to enter into a competitive commercial bidding procedure to secure the business of the charging points after they have installed them without any local or national government involvement beyond usual planning and regulatory considerations.
So, in all that would be my policy if I was in government. It is a policy favouring the private commercial sector in the capitalist state we live in. As in the 'great days' of Victorian England that built so much of our wealth, power, and infrasture, we should again drive forward on those principles. Private commercialism is usually far more efficient than any politically blinkered government.
I hope that clarifies my multi-level beliefs and 'policies' Nigel. I know they will not be welcomed by all, but hey, such is politics! :D :D :y :y :y :y
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not cheap EMD, but you do get a £5,000 subsidy! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not cheap EMD, but you do get a £5,000 subsidy! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Great that will pay for this then :D http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045182504/sort/default/usedcars/model/g-wiz/make/reva/page/1?logcode=p ;D
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not cheap EMD, but you do get a £5,000 subsidy! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Great that will pay for this then :D http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045182504/sort/default/usedcars/model/g-wiz/make/reva/page/1?logcode=p ;D
And a set of batteries cost http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-X-T125-G-WIZ-DEEP-CYCLE-BATTERIES-GWIZ-G-WIZ-BATTERY-/330873215051?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0994984b
Sadly I could run one of those. I do 6.5 miles to work and 6.3 miles home again (slightly different route) It would save mea lot of money in the long run.
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Lol, golf kart batteries!
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Lol, golf kart batteries!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
That is exactly what they look like! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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They look like it becuase they are!
I have used the T105's in the past and these are the same but slightly higher capacity
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They look like it becuase they are!
I have used the T105's in the past and these are the same but slightly higher capacity
Well I'm darned!! :o :o :o
I have Googled "T105s" and it gives me, on a John Deere page, Commercial String Trimmers and Brushcutters
But batteries for this code was also listed!! ::) ::) ;D ;D
Is that right Mark? :D :D ??? ???
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not cheap EMD, but you do get a £5,000 subsidy! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Great that will pay for this then :D http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045182504/sort/default/usedcars/model/g-wiz/make/reva/page/1?logcode=p ;D
And a set of batteries cost http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-X-T125-G-WIZ-DEEP-CYCLE-BATTERIES-GWIZ-G-WIZ-BATTERY-/330873215051?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0994984b
Sadly I could run one of those. I do 6.5 miles to work and 6.3 miles home again (slightly different route) It would save mea lot of money in the long run.
Mate get yourself one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STERLING-DIAMOND-8MPH-MOBILITY-SCOOTER-WHEELCHAIR-POWERCHAIR-DISABILITY-AID-/111015636574?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Mobility_Disability_Medical_ET&hash=item19d90c2e5e its got far more street cred and cheap as chips + more reliable :)
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G-Whiz indeed!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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I think the G-Wiz counts as a glorified mobility scooter rather than a real car.. so if you really want an electric 'car' you're looking at >£20k ??? The difference between that and a
clapped out banger Omega buys you a lot of fuel & road tax!
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They look like it becuase they are!
I have used the T105's in the past and these are the same but slightly higher capacity
Well I'm darned!! :o :o :o
I have Googled "T105s" and it gives me, on a John Deere page, Commercial String Trimmers and Brushcutters
But batteries for this code was also listed!! ::) ::) ;D ;D
Is that right Mark? :D :D ??? ???
Fill yah boots
http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/products/group/?c=Batteries+by+Application&sc=Trojan+Batteries&a=Golf+Buggy
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To put it into perspective, I use four of these as the battery solution for Mk2 (non aircon) coaching stock ;D
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To put it into perspective, I use four of these as the battery solution for Mk2 (non aircon) coaching stock ;D
That is a far better use for them :y :y :y :y
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Remind me of the price of the cheapest affordable electric car ::) ::) ::) ::)
Not cheap EMD, but you do get a £5,000 subsidy! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Great that will pay for this then :D http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045182504/sort/default/usedcars/model/g-wiz/make/reva/page/1?logcode=p ;D
And a set of batteries cost http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-X-T125-G-WIZ-DEEP-CYCLE-BATTERIES-GWIZ-G-WIZ-BATTERY-/330873215051?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0994984b
Sadly I could run one of those. I do 6.5 miles to work and 6.3 miles home again (slightly different route) It would save mea lot of money in the long run.
Mate get yourself one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STERLING-DIAMOND-8MPH-MOBILITY-SCOOTER-WHEELCHAIR-POWERCHAIR-DISABILITY-AID-/111015636574?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Mobility_Disability_Medical_ET&hash=item19d90c2e5e its got far more street cred and cheap as chips + more reliable :)
I may look that old but I am not really that old yet, am I,,,,, who said that............. ;D ;D
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..and to think my milk used to be delivered by Express Dairy electric milk float some 50 years ago. Battery technology has moved on hasn't it? ;)
Milk and More now use diesel transits! ;D ;D
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I think it is very important when the Government spends our money on infrastructure that the overall benefit in efficiency for society is higher than £1 for every £1 spent. Generally good infrastructure project return about £2.50 in cost reductions / efficiency improvements for every £1 spent.
Without knowing the investment v return ratio that the Government has calculated to the cost of investment on this, it is impossible to tell whether this is a good or bad investment of taxpayers money, although I suspect the latter and the money would be better spent elsewhere for a better return for society.
Personally, I like the way the Americans talk about "our tax dollars" as the only money Governments have is what the take off us through a process of legalized robbery. It would help all people to remember this if we talked about the spending of "our tax pounds" in the UK.
As for austerity the only cuts being made are to pay the ever increasing amounts of interest on our national debt. Without high inflation by 2015 we will be beginning to reach the point of no return on this. Yet they continue to borrow and spend money like water as if there is no tomorrow. Still I guess if you only expect to be in power until 2015 you don't care. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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So far we have not sold even one Nissan Leaf[according to Nissan the best selling electric car].As for putting a charging point on our drive,I'd wake up to find that whatever electric car I'd plugged into it had been disconnected and instead I would be powering half the streets houses!
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So far we have not sold even one Nissan Leaf[according to Nissan the best selling electric car].As for putting a charging point on our drive,I'd wake up to find that whatever electric car I'd plugged into it had been disconnected and instead I would be powering half the streets houses!
I'd pull the plug out every time I passed. Just for the fun of it. ;D
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I've recovered three Leafs so far; one that wasn't charging and two that were flat. All three owners said that anything over 100miles was asking for trouble, and bad/cold weather reduced it further(heat, wipers etc are all of the batteries). That's bad enough, but a full recharge takes several hours, and can't be done off a normal 3-pin plug.
Whilst it's a clever bit of engineering with pragmatic use of existing parts, it proves that battery tech isn't up to the job. Which is exactly why electric cars went out of favour 100 years ago.
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But if you only used one for a five mile commute twice a day, and charged it up each night, I see no problem.
So everything's electric, on these electric cars? I'm surprised. :D
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But if you only used one for a five mile commute twice a day, and charged it up each night, I see no problem.
So everything's electric, on these electric cars? I'm surprised. :D
But they are expensive to buy, even with the taxpayer subsidy, so why bother? A cheap petrol runabout would cost less to buy and not much more to run. ???
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But if you only used one for a five mile commute twice a day, and charged it up each night, I see no problem.
So everything's electric, on these electric cars? I'm surprised. :D
But they are expensive to buy, even with the taxpayer subsidy, so why bother? A cheap petrol runabout would cost less to buy and not much more to run. ???
And probably be more environmentally friendly taking manufacturing into account..
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Oil resources are finite, why use them for things that there adequate alternatives for?
It's not all about cost, it's about using resources wisely. Most people won't care.
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Oil resources are finite, why use them for things that there adequate alternatives for?
It's not all about cost, it's about using resources wisely. Most people won't care.
See aaronjb's comment above. ;)
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So you're saying that it uses more oil to build and run an electric car, than a petrol/diesel car? I doubt that.
You're all just old in your minds and afraid of change.
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In principle I don't think it's a bad idea, as the infrastructure will be in place if and when electric cars become viable. :)
In a few years time we could be looking back and thanking the Coalitian government for it's good sense and foresight..... :-\ ;D
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So you're saying that it uses more oil to build and run an electric car, than a petrol/diesel car? I doubt that.
You're all just old in your minds and afraid of change.
Of course, you seem to overlook the precious metals like cobalt that go into electric car batteries. There's not an infinite supply of those things, either.
I'm not afraid of change at all. My whole house will shortly be illuminated solely by LEDs. How many others can say the same? I have a brand new eco-green condensing boiler, too.
No, it's just that electric cars are essentially useless for the majority of the population and only seem to exist to assuage the guilt of tree huggers. When they become sensible alternatives (in terms of cost, range, speed, ease of recharge), I'd be happy to buy one. But we're looking at least a decade into the future. the current crop of electric vehicles are frankly rubbish. ;)
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How's about looking at it from the other direction ??
At the moment very few charging points so no incentive to improve anything.
Get the charging points out there and the incentive for the producers to produce what the customer needs will rapidly rise ??
All to do with supply and demand .. if the demand exists the supply will follow ... and without recharging points there will never be a demand.
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Batteries can use lots of different substances, many of which are very abundant.
Petrol and diesel are extremely difficult to create from anything but oil.
"electric cars are essentially useless for the majority of the population" - but not all, by any means.
"and only seem to exist to assuage the guilt of tree huggers" - it's your choice how things 'seem' to you. ;)
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How's about looking at it from the other direction ??
At the moment very few charging points so no incentive to improve anything.
Get the charging points out there and the incentive for the producers to produce what the customer needs will rapidly rise ??
All to do with supply and demand .. if the demand exists the supply will follow ... and without recharging points there will never be a demand.
For the majority of city/town dwellers, the option to have a secure charging point is nowhere near to viable. Millions of us do not have their own driveway and park on the street where we can. I suppose one day there may be meters everywhere where you swipe your credit card in and then plug your car in. By then, though, it will probably be cheaper to buy a tankful of petrol than pay for twelve hours of leccy! ;D ;D
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How's about looking at it from the other direction ??
At the moment very few charging points so no incentive to improve anything.
Get the charging points out there and the incentive for the producers to produce what the customer needs will rapidly rise ??
All to do with supply and demand .. if the demand exists the supply will follow ... and without recharging points there will never be a demand.
For the majority of city/town dwellers, the option to have a secure charging point is nowhere near to viable. Millions of us do not have their own driveway and park on the street where we can. I suppose one day there may be meters everywhere where you swipe your credit card in and then plug your car in. By then, though, it will probably be cheaper to buy a tankful of petrol than pay for twelve hours of no leccy where the wind wasn't blowing! ;D ;D
There you go Nick I've fixed that for you. ::) :o :y
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How's about looking at it from the other direction ??
At the moment very few charging points so no incentive to improve anything.
Get the charging points out there and the incentive for the producers to produce what the customer needs will rapidly rise ??
All to do with supply and demand .. if the demand exists the supply will follow ... and without recharging points there will never be a demand.
For the majority of city/town dwellers, the option to have a secure charging point is nowhere near to viable. Millions of us do not have their own driveway and park on the street where we can. I suppose one day there may be meters everywhere where you swipe your credit card in and then plug your car in. By then, though, it will probably be cheaper to buy a tankful of petrol than pay for twelve hours of no leccy where the wind wasn't blowing! ;D ;D
There you go Nick I've fixed that for you. ::) :o :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Cheers, Rods! :y :y
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Anything car with a battery primary power source is a non starter (excuse the pun).
Batteries, even the most advanced, have no where near enough energy storage ability to meet the needs of cars.
Hydrogen fuel cells on the other hand.......
......its just a shame they create the hydrogen from natural gas.
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Exactly.. I hear what everyone is saying about infrastructure being important, but it's also very costly to install and has a long pay-back period. For that reason, we need to know that it's the correct infrastructure.
Energy delivered as electricity is impossible to store efficiently and in the quantities required for a usable vehicle. In almost 200 years of making batteries we are still orders of magnitude short of the performance required. In decades of promising electric cars with charging points all over the place we have achieved nothing of any use.
By all means, let's spend our money on an infrastructure, but let's decide first if we want to deliver electricity, hydrogen or something else. ::)
Not something that can be done in a knee-jerk, so that should exclude any politicians from the decision making process. >:(
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Anything car with a battery primary power source is a non starter (excuse the pun).
Batteries, even the most advanced, have no where near enough energy storage ability to meet the needs of cars.
Hydrogen fuel cells on the other hand.......
......its just a shame they create the hydrogen from natural gas.
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Diesel genny in the back to charge battery techo that hasnt changed in donkeys, job done.