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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: sassanach on 03 March 2013, 21:11:33
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this has to be to good to be true,has anyone bought one of these?
borrox...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-Vauxhall-Omega-B-3-0-3-2-V6-Saloon-Silencer-Exhaust-System-351-/251165535819?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a7aa1ee4b
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Go on, give us a clue!
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
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Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
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Obviously impossible to know the quality, but the price is good.
I use an Eternal on mine, they are about £110 for the 3 sections... ...though their mounting kit is shite ;D
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
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Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
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i got a new backbox for mine from work for 36 pounds which i thought was a bargain. not the best quality but it fits ok and actually gives a deeper tone which sounds nice
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National Tyres charged me £150 for a backbox (fitted) last year in Poole :(
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well i ordered one last night, lets see what i get for my dosh shall we?
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I've fitted one from them - but for the estate - quality seemed very good for the price, all the mounting kit was good.
Putting the new one on was much easier than getting the old one off!
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
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well i ordered one last night, lets see what i get for my dosh shall we?
I await with interest :y
Meanwhile, its under the car and wopping on the Gun Gum, short term measure :y
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
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Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
It's winging it's way to me.... I'll let you know when I get it!
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Hope it fits better than the cheapy one I got before my Eternal one - no amount of friendly persuasion would get it to miss the chassis...
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Hope it fits better than the cheapy one I got before my Eternal one - no amount of friendly persuasion would get it to miss the chassis...
Was the cheapy one from ETS?
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
No, Eternal is about £110 for all 3 sections ;)
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Eternal are TY parts
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well i ordered one last night, lets see what i get for my dosh shall we?
Yup, please keep us informed. And lots of pictures please :)
:y
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
No, Eternal is about £110 for all 3 sections ;)
Sorry Jamie,....I must have misread.......your price is for both centre sections and a back box.....so obviously a bit dearer, but not a lot. So it will be interesting when feedback comes in, as to quality against Eternal.
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
No, Eternal is about £110 for all 3 sections ;)
Sorry Jamie,....I did not realise the exhaust is just two bits a side, plus the cat. I am now assuming that £110 means one side complete with cat ??
£110 for the complete system from the Cat back. LH, RH and Silencer
NB. The only reason I didn't buy one from Eternal is because no one appears to be able to get hold of them to order the right one.
I have a suspicion that the three suppliers are all suppying the same exhaust. I'll take pics of mine when it arrives to compare.
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
EDIT
Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
I have been asking the same question to myself, as I need to do the same sort of replacement on mine. So if you need a hand in doing it, I will pop over and gain some experiance before I do mine.
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From memory (when Mrs VXL's estate needed a replacement exhaust), the hardest part was drilling the rusted bolts out..... Something I found easy as I was making the Tea and Loo Knee was doing the work! ;D
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
No, Eternal is about £110 for all 3 sections ;)
Sorry Jamie,....I must have misread.......your price is for both centre sections and a back box.....so obviously a bit dearer, but not a lot. So it will be interesting when feedback comes in, as to quality against Eternal.
Indeed, all 3 bits. You won't ever really get away with just changing 1 section.
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
EDIT
Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
I have been asking the same question to myself, as I need to do the same sort of replacement on mine. So if you need a hand in doing it, I will pop over and gain some experiance before I do mine.
Probably won't learn a lot from me mate, except bad language ;D ;D ;D I am bloody good at making tea and coffee though :y
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
EDIT
Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
I have been asking the same question to myself, as I need to do the same sort of replacement on mine. So if you need a hand in doing it, I will pop over and gain some experiance before I do mine.
Probably won't learn a lot from me mate, except bad language ;D ;D ;D I am bloody good at making tea and coffee though :y
Well, will I be able to cope with all those naughty words ::) but the offer is there if you need a hand in sorting this out. As its already been said, it looks like the hardest bit will be, the breaking of the conection to the cats. ( Might be able to fix my small grinder for those horrible little bolts that might take a while yo drill out )
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Thanks for the offer, buddy.....I'll let you know, subject to the aforementioned feedback on quality. :y
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Yes I have. ;)
I think!
EDIT
Close, I bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-B-3-0-1994-2001-Silencer-Exhaust-System-/150810088414
Need a system for my 2.5...its the same price, is it any good. Seems to me, on any exhaust system I have bought for any car, they never last much more than 3 years, wherever I get them from. £80 is better than £300 quoted at one place I looked ???
Should ask the question....how easy is it to fit, laying on your back under the car, with the rear wheels up on ramps :y
I have been asking the same question to myself, as I need to do the same sort of replacement on mine. So if you need a hand in doing it, I will pop over and gain some experiance before I do mine.
The job is quite straight forward, easy even......provided the old bolts undo rather than shear off. If they do snap then it can be quite difficult to drill the old studs out
even with good quality drill bits as access is a little awkward. So use plenty of plus gas before and during - to give yourself half a chance.
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Interesting. Could it be the same manufacturer that supply eternal?
Jamie said Eternal was about £110 for a side....I read this advert as £79 for both sides.....so if the quality is good, then Eternal are making a bob or two :y
No, Eternal is about £110 for all 3 sections ;)
My recent Eternal one was £90 odd (3 sections, excluding fitting kit).
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Think I paid £96 for MotherT's 3.0 Estate cat back system from Eternal :-\
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The job is quite straight forward, easy even......provided the old bolts undo rather than shear off. If they do snap then it can be quite difficult to drill the old studs out
even with good quality drill bits as access is a little awkward. So use plenty of plus gas before and during - to give yourself half a chance.
If you can get an oxyacetylene set to heat the bolts up, it'll make life a lot easier :y
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Hope it fits better than the cheapy one I got before my Eternal one - no amount of friendly persuasion would get it to miss the chassis...
Was the cheapy one from ETS?
Not sure, sorry - I trusted my MoT centre's recommended fitters, since I was at the other end of the country. Sounded shite and fitted shite. I swapped it for an Eternal within two weeks.
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Where do you get eternal systems from....I have tried googling and come up with nowt !!!!
Can someone post a link please :y
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OK, it's arrived this afternoon, I ordered it on Wednesday 9PM GMT so that's about 5.5 days, including the weekend with full tracking from Poland. :y
As far as quality goes, it looks exactly the same as the Eternal one I bought for Mrs VXL's estate, I'm convinced these are all coming from the same manufacturer.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/901eaabb-0ec8-43bc-b8db-65b14ff4a948_zps84187e37.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/d441adea-42cd-4e70-8ae1-e659ebabd5be_zpsc354c71c.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/bad1e1c5-31ad-4a96-b82f-eab892bd28d2_zps033851b3.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/b931b7f3-00e2-465b-9aee-c1bc94446067_zpse60177ce.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/236d2933-4dc5-4087-8ca4-951774c95ae9_zps0cbfb950.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/155c6ac1-4f06-4a8a-9579-c5ff8721da14_zps458f54a8.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/7b1bdf9d-8990-4685-bf3d-231c189f4cb1_zps90d6dd59.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/f7a1fe08-9504-42f2-95bb-4b7bf1236965_zpsb9fcd30e.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/3da15a41-347e-4eb9-b279-d2e8fad479c0_zpsb8864d7b.jpg)
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I've got that very system fitted to mine. Got that distinctive "P" stamped on all 3 places. Mines quite old now and is quite boomy. Not sure what it will be like when new.
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Looks exactly like Eternal :y
Got Eternal on my 2.2, nice and silent. But on 3.2 its not as silent as I would like :(
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I'll have to get under the MV6, cant remember if it has those Ps.
Terbert, get some plusgas on the bolts now!. If you have a small wire brush (size of a toothbrush), clean up the exposed thread.
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Looks exactly like Eternal :y
Got Eternal on my 2.2, nice and silent. But on 3.2 its not as silent as I would like :(
A V6, esp with over 50% more capacity, will make more noise. Try a G-Whizz.
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I'll have to get under the MV6, cant remember if it has those Ps.
Terbert, get some plusgas on the bolts now!. If you have a small wire brush (size of a toothbrush), clean up the exposed thread.
Or if you can get some heat on it. I cherryed mine up with a blow torch and got all 4 out. Never had an exhaust in it's life till that point.
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Looks exactly like Eternal :y
Got Eternal on my 2.2, nice and silent. But on 3.2 its not as silent as I would like :(
A V6, esp with over 50% more capacity, will make more noise. Try a G-Whizz.
;D
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Looks exactly like Eternal :y
Got Eternal on my 2.2, nice and silent. But on 3.2 its not as silent as I would like :(
A V6, esp with over 50% more capacity, will make more noise. Try a G-Whizz.
Bet a proper old school GM zorst would have been better, when new, bet they did not drone like they do now.
A V12 BMW has again 100% more capacity, does not mean it should be louder!
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
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I'll have to get under the MV6, cant remember if it has those Ps.
Terbert, get some plusgas on the bolts now!. If you have a small wire brush (size of a toothbrush), clean up the exposed thread.
It does, I remember from laying under it at Newent watching bits of thrustwasher drop out of the autobox. Funny how I can't remember something from two hours ago but I can rememember that! :y
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
Lost me there, How is a DBW V6 working less than a non DBW V6?
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A V12 BMW has again 100% more capacity, does not mean it should be louder!
Except it is.
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I'll have to get under the MV6, cant remember if it has those Ps.
Terbert, get some plusgas on the bolts now!. If you have a small wire brush (size of a toothbrush), clean up the exposed thread.
It does, I remember from laying under it at Newent watching bits of thrustwasher drop out of the autobox. Funny how I can't remember something from two hours ago but I can rememember that! :y
Saves me a job ;D :y
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
At my normal motorway cruise, usually bang on 80mph. The 2.2 is working harder than my 3.2, by about 500 revs, yet it creates less noise, less drone.
Tempted to test it with decibel reader app, see if its just me
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I would expect more noise from the larger engine.
Although other things can add to it - tyres being key.
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
At my normal motorway cruise, usually bang on 80mph. The 2.2 is working harder than my 3.2, by about 500 revs, yet it creates less noise, less drone.
Tempted to test it with decibel reader app, see if its just me
I guess if it's such a problem you'd be best to sell me your 3.2 (as long as you LPG it beforehand!). :y ;D
When I had my first 3.2 (With a good condition genuine GM exhaust - It was a long time ago!) I noticed it's a little bit noiser than a lot of cars, but in a good way, it reminded me of driving Rover SD1's years ago.
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Thanks TB,
Small point....is it safe to use the car if needed with plus gas sprayed all over the cat joints :)
And thanks for the feedback VXL V6 :y
Not worried if its a bit noisy...save me having to listen to swmbo ;D
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Thanks TB,
Small point....is it safe to use the car if needed with plus gas sprayed all over the cat joints :)
And thanks for the feedback VXL V6 :y
Not worried if its a bit noisy...save me having to listen to swmbo ;D
Aye, but spray it on when its cool
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
At my normal motorway cruise, usually bang on 80mph. The 2.2 is working harder than my 3.2, by about 500 revs, yet it creates less noise, less drone. Tempted to test it with decibel reader app, see if its just me
Depends how you look at it.
given the same body shape, both will be needing to output the same levels of energy.....its just one is closer to its maxximum power output.
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I should add that I have fitted a few of these and no problems, the centre sections are nice quality (I prefer the clam shell design ones), the back box is lesser so but does the job
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Hi All,
What was the conclusion about these systems? Were both ebay links the same exhaust?
Is it any good? I urgently need to replace mine as I have an MOT next week and both pipes between the rear and middle boxes have broken following a shunt but I don't want a nasty one! Annoyingly mine is still quite quiet even with these broken pipes but I have to replace it urgently for the MoT. Grr.
Trouble is all the usual garages seem to be fully booked at the moment too so not sure quite what to do about it even if I can get one in time.
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well the exhaust has turned up(looks good) all i need now is a car ;D ;D
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Well, I have ordered one of these exhaust systems for the 2.5....ordered Tuesday, and according to the tracking system, as of last night, it had travelled across Poland and got as far as Neuenstein, Germany. So fingers crossed :y
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
At my normal motorway cruise, usually bang on 80mph. The 2.2 is working harder than my 3.2, by about 500 revs, yet it creates less noise, less drone. Tempted to test it with decibel reader app, see if its just me
Depends how you look at it.
given the same body shape, both will be needing to output the same levels of energy.....its just one is closer to its maxximum power output.
In fact, the 3.2 is going to be working harder in absolute terms because of more internal losses (more reciprocating and rotating mass, nearly twice as much cam friction etc.), in order to output the same power. Any difference in rpm for a given road speed is down to gearing differences, no?
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Well, I have ordered one of these exhaust systems for the 2.5....ordered Tuesday, and according to the tracking system, as of last night, it had travelled across Poland and got as far as Neuenstein, Germany. So fingers crossed :y
That's a similar path to the one taken by my Eternal exhaust, according to the tracking info. Sadly, one centre section was obviously keen on sightseeing, as it took a week longer than the other one to arrive. ::)
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..... Sadly, one centre section was obviously keen on sightseeing, as it took a week longer than the other one to arrive. ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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To be precise....it started in Czeladz, then went to Serykow, then on to Neuenstein, where it seems to be taking a breather. I would gather by this that the mode of transport so far is by donkey ;D
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To be precise....it started in Czeladz, then went to Serykow, then on to Neuenstein, where it seems to be taking a breather. I would gather by this that the mode of transport so far is by donkey ;D
Don't worry, it'll be in blighty before the site gets updated :y
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To be precise....it started in Czeladz, then went to Serykow, then on to Neuenstein, where it seems to be taking a breather. I would gather by this that the mode of transport so far is by donkey ;D
Don't worry, it'll be in blighty before the site gets updated :y
Goodness me....three more additions in the UK this time, the last saying at 5.00am its loaded for my delivery. Wow, if this comes off it is a flippin' good service. Lets hope goods match service. I'll keep you posted (excuse the pun) ;D
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And.....its here. :y That is really good service for £12 postage from Poland. Four days.....pity the postal services in the uk don't match up :(
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Just unpacked it. Everything in top notch condition.
Not a mark on it, the box was unmarked too, so obviously not been thrown around (too heavy to lob around).
All the welds have been silver painted, mind you that will soon burn off.
I got it from the Premium-Car e-bay site and not the ETS, but I expect they all come from the same place :y
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Pop some photo's on here so we can make a comparison :y
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If anything the V6 DBW should create less noise, as its working less...
You do not work a 2.2 ;)
At my normal motorway cruise, usually bang on 80mph. The 2.2 is working harder than my 3.2, by about 500 revs, yet it creates less noise, less drone. Tempted to test it with decibel reader app, see if its just me
Depends how you look at it.
given the same body shape, both will be needing to output the same levels of energy.....its just one is closer to its maxximum power output.
In fact, the 3.2 is going to be working harder in absolute terms because of more internal losses (more reciprocating and rotating mass, nearly twice as much cam friction etc.), in order to output the same power. Any difference in rpm for a given road speed is down to gearing differences, no?
Internal engine losses are in the noise when compared to wind resistance etc.
There may be small differences in consumption based on efficiences at different rpm but the bottom line is, the energy requried to shift the air out the way and overcoming the rolling resistance is constant and its that which you need to produce.
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I'll be very interested in how it sounds, having had cheap boomy exhausts fitted in the past...
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I'll put piccy's up on Monday.....not here till then :y
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Tony I've just ordered one today, same place as you, should be here early next week. :y
Mine has been on the way out for quite a while but the back box is finally giving up the ghost. I will get to local to garage to fit it when the old one drops off and then they can do the twice yearly oil change for me ( too old to be crawling about under cars :-[)
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Now that's what I call service :y :y
The exhaust was logged as shipped on Tuesday at 15.30, I tracked it throught Poland and Germany to the UK and it has just arrived, just 3 days. :y :y
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Is it same as mine...all dowels protected, all welds painted, and looks ally colour. I have just been under the car to try to take the old one off but I reckon I will have to cut the cat bolts. Like you, mate, too old to lay under cars, but I don't feel I have the neck to ask son in law to have it up the garage. He does so much for me now.
The bracket on the cat seems to have a bolt head one side, but the other side nut is either well corroded, or the thread is incorporated in the bracket. It does not look like a nut. :(
Just worried if its not a nut, how the heck will I join the new one. :(
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Its a bolt into a threaded bracket (threaded bracket is on the cat piece)
Plusgas, and slowly work it out. If you shear the bolts, its a drill and re-tap job.
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Is it same as mine...all dowels protected, all welds painted, and looks ally colour. I have just been under the car to try to take the old one off but I reckon I will have to cut the cat bolts. Like you, mate, too old to lay under cars, but I don't feel I have the neck to ask son in law to have it up the garage. He does so much for me now.
The bracket on the cat seems to have a bolt head one side, but the other side nut is either well corroded, or the thread is incorporated in the bracket. It does not look like a nut. :(
Just worried if its not a nut, how the heck will I join the new one. :(
Yep the same, well chuffed for the price. :y
I think you can drill out the bolts at the cat end, someone will know.
Mine will go to the local garage to be fitted, not worth me struggling with ramps etc when they can just pop the car on the lift and have all the kit to remove the old one. They will do my bi annual oil change at the same time so about £75 all in with them supplying the oil and filter. :y
Just ask him mate, I would I mean you did let him into the family and when he's done the exhaust he can take his gran in law out for the day ;D ;D ;D
I still can't get over the delivery time :) :)
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Yep...delivery time was mind boggling.....
As to Mother....I'll pm you....got her into a home... :y
I think I'll take your advice on son in law. He means well but can be a moody sod at times ;D ;D ;D So have to pick the moment. I am sure once the cat joint is sorted, the exhaust will come off easily. Been under and checked rubbers, all seem free enough on the dowels. :y
Just noticed TB has said its a threaded jobby. Might be out of my league now. I have not got taps, and doing it on ramps may be awkward. :(
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Start Plusgassing those bolts now ;)
With standard suspension, you may just be able to get your arm under enough to spray.
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Got the arris end up on ramps, mate....been gassing for a week now. From my limited engineering experience, there is no way I will be unscrewing those bolts. I reckon they will snap at the first turn. They are well corroded :( If the bolt snaps flush on the cat bracket, I expect I could possibly drill it out, but how the hell do you get it out if it snaps at the bolt head end or in the middle????????
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Its not such a big problem if the 2 bolts shear off as its better having a nut,n,bolt securing the new pasrt together imho.
Plenty of Plusgas will see them come out if you go steady on the wrench
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Big set of Irwin mole grips and just wind it out if it snaps bolt head end or mid way.
If lush get a good HSS colbalt drill with some oil to lubricate the drill bit and you will be fine :y
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I've cleaned everything up, wire brush, gassing it, etc....now I can't get a spanner to fit >:( 11mm too small 12mm too big, tried 7/16 af, 1/2 af both no go. What the heck size am I looking for ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Ive had that before now...and found an old whitworth that fitted! Beyond me!
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Been all through my spanners and sockets, and no joy. Thinking now that I might bite the bullet and saw the bolt tight to the bracket, and then drill it out to take a new bolt and nut, it will still be held on by the bolt on the other side.
Question is, if things go wrong, would that single bolt be enough to hold the exhaust together for seven miles to the garage ;)
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Does your son in law have access to a hot spanner?
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Forgive my ignorance, Capt'n, but what is that
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Gas torch?
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A bit of gas from a torch ;D
I would have thought just 1 bolt securing the pipe would not make an edequate seal so exhaust would be blowing like mad
Try running a square edged file across the flats of the bolt head to get a decent shape...then try hammering on a 11mm if is just slightly too tight :y
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i fitted my exhaust from this company fitted ok only issues are the rubber hangers are a bit smaller than the standard ones and one of the tail pipes was slightly bent down but easy fix with a pair of big pliers very good for the price and oh so quiet
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Forgive my ignorance, Capt'n, but what is that
Get it cherry red with an oxy torch then try to wind it out.
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Thanks very much for your help and advice/tips etc......but I am going to give it best. I'll sweet talk the son in law. It has to go to him for a bit of work prior to MOT, which can't be done before the 12th. I have a 2.6 cat here and the joining bracket is built like a brick outhouse. The 2.5 is like a piece of tissue against that. If I drill it out, I'll also have to saw off the threaded extension of the cat bracket, so a new nut would butt up. The new bolts are thicker than the existing, so the bracket would have to be drilled out too.
Pics show what I mean...............
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That looks a bit odd to me, almost as if someone has already drilled out the screw threads and fitted nuts & bolts :-\
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when my longlife system was fitted the joints were so crap to cats he cut them off and tig welded new flow system direct to it . ::)
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That looks a bit odd to me, almost as if someone has already drilled out the screw threads and fitted nuts & bolts :-\
Indeed, looks like a nut and bolt. Bloody cowboys.
Doesn't look too bad, I'd volunteer, but my snivel is turning into manflu
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I really can't make out if it is a nut, its small if it is. I automatically thought it was an extension of the bracket with a thread in it. If it is a nut, I got nothing to fit it, as the bolt head situation. If you fellas say its just a thin bolt with a nut on, and not screwed into the bracket itself, I'll hacksaw it in the middle and wallop the two ends out. :y
Have to be honest, years ago that job would have been done in minutes, but as you get older, and see horror stories on here, you get doubts about your confidence and abilities, afraid of mucking something up. Apart from the time it takes to get back up again after getting down ;D
If anyone is passing near Hazlemere tomorrow, for a second opinion, you will be wellcomed :y
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looking at the photos its a badly corroed nut, snap it off remove the exhaust.
get a dot punch and wack the stump thats left in the down pipe out and then run a 5/16 drill thro the holes on both sets of flanges, and refit with nice new m8x80 nuts n bolts and washers with lots of copper slip.
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That looks a bit odd to me, almost as if someone has already drilled out the screw threads and fitted nuts & bolts :-\
Indeed, looks like a nut and bolt. Bloody cowboys.
Doesn't look too bad, I'd volunteer, but my snivel is turning into manflu
the proper way to refit a system on the v6 is to drill out the flanges and refit nuts and bolts as the stupid GM way is crap.
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That looks a bit odd to me, almost as if someone has already drilled out the screw threads and fitted nuts & bolts :-\
Indeed, looks like a nut and bolt. Bloody cowboys.
Doesn't look too bad, I'd volunteer, but my snivel is turning into manflu
the proper way to refit a system on the v6 is to drill out the flanges and refit nuts and bolts as the stupid GM way is crap.
Really? I find it works rather well ;)
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That looks a bit odd to me, almost as if someone has already drilled out the screw threads and fitted nuts & bolts :-\
Indeed, looks like a nut and bolt. Bloody cowboys.
Doesn't look too bad, I'd volunteer, but my snivel is turning into manflu
the proper way to refit a system on the v6 is to drill out the flanges and refit nuts and bolts as the stupid GM way is crap.
...in that the threads that need drilling out are on the cats, not the exhaust thats being binned on removal. If the threads where on the exhaust side of the bracket, it wouldn't matter if said threads got damaged. As we'd have nice shiny new threads and bolts supplied.
Seems a bit stupid to me I must say. :-\
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Well.....after a rethink, I am going for it tomorrow. Gonna saw the bolt and see what happens ;)
If all ok, the other bolt goes the same way :y
Still have the second car for use.
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It's a few years back when I did my V6 exhaust up to the cats but I recall the problem of corroded studs and vaguely recall resorting to cutting some them with an angle grinder between the joint (witha cutting disc) and then having to drill out the remains and replace with a bolt. It worked well, easily outlasted the car.
If you don't have a small angle grinder bolt croppers might be easier than a hacksaw. An angle grinder is best as you can get the surface flush with a grinde disc prior to drilling out the stud/bolt, otherwise you're drilling on a slippy stump. If the bolt is so rusted you can punch it out so much the better.
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That was my worry, dbdb. I have a small angle grinder, but think my discs are stone ones....I expect B&Q would sell metal cutter disks?
Sounds more promising now :y Hopefully, as you see from the pics, if they ARE nuts, then hopefully the threaded bits will just bash out
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Recomend drilling personally, but a number of bits may be needed, and there's a risk of the drill braking in the hole.
Its a bit tight for an angle grinder disc.
But whatever is to hand really. :)
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That was my worry, dbdb. I have a small angle grinder, but think my discs are stone ones....I expect B&Q would sell metal cutter disks?
Sounds more promising now :y Hopefully, as you see from the pics, if they ARE nuts, then hopefully the threaded bits will just bash out
Great you'll find it much easier with a grinder. Use a very thin metal cutting disc (eg "ultra thin' or 'plasma') they will easily get between the joint. B&Q do sell them. You can later cut the surface flush with the thin disk I have done that but its not very safe and you definitely shouldn't grind with a cutting disk (it will shatter) better to switch to a thick metal grinder disc.
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That was my worry, dbdb. I have a small angle grinder, but think my discs are stone ones....I expect B&Q would sell metal cutter disks?
Sounds more promising now :y Hopefully, as you see from the pics, if they ARE nuts, then hopefully the threaded bits will just bash out
10 minutes with a hacksaw and those bolts will be out. I'm not a big fan of using a grinder 3 inches from the end of my nose and 12 inches from the petrol pipes.
If (as suspected) the original screw threads have been drilled out then the remains will just fall out.
Have you tried turning the bolts with a spanner yet? If they spin round then the job is trivial. If they are stuck fast then you are into having to drill out the bits.
One scenario we haven't considered is that the threads barely survived the last visit by an exhaust fitter and someone added a lock-nut for security :-\
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As I said in an earlier post Andy, I have not got a spanner or socket that will fit the bolt head. Lord only knows what size it is...between 11mm and 12mm ???
I have tried AF sizes, no go. As you can see by the pics, the nut is a no no too.
I would have thought if it was a Vauxhall garage, or an exhaust garage, they would have used a MM size.
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As I said in an earlier post Andy, I have not got a spanner or socket that will fit the bolt head. Lord only knows what size it is...between 11mm and 12mm ???
I have tried AF sizes, no go. As you can see by the pics, the nut is a no no too.
I would have thought if it was a Vauxhall garage, or an exhaust garage, they would have used a MM size.
Most likely it is/was a cheap 8mm bolt with 13mm head. Rust (+ heat and salt) has been eating away at it.
This is actually a good sign. If the bolts are that cheap then they won't be so difficult to remove :y