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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 18 March 2013, 19:16:07
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Anyone got any personal experience of these tyres on an Omega, preferably in 235/40/18?
PM if preferred, I know its a touchy subject.
I couldn't give a rats arse on what you've heard, or tried on different cars, or read on the internet. I only care about personal experience on Omega.
TIA :y
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Anyone got any personal experience of these tyres on an Omega, preferably in 235/40/18?
PM if preferred, I know its a touchy subject.
I couldn't give a rats arse on what you've heard, or tried on different cars, or read on the internet. I only care about personal experience on Omega.
TIA :y
I am sure cem will be along shortly ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y ;D ;D
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I've got 17" Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymmetric 2 on my estate if that's what you meant. It would be easier for you to drive it and then form your own opinion rather than me give you duff information, or you could try them on yours.
It may be my car, but they don't like crossing white lines or tar-mac road repairs that are varying heights, but they do stop ok. :y I'm a straight-liner now so not really in a position to comment on when they break loose. :-\
Welcome to try them any time. :y
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17" Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's on the Elite Saloon. 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load
No problems at all but my driving style is VERY different to yours, and the self levelling will also make a big difference to handling, however my views so far (about 4000 miles)
Stop well both wet and dry
I've had no problems with "break away" bar one occasion when a prat forced me onto mega white lines in heavy rain, as I booted to get away from him it was "skittish" on the lines and snapped right back on the tarmac - a tad interesting for a few seconds ....
No tramlining
Slightly noisier than the previous Toyo's, and IIRC quite a bit noisier than the Falkens
Ride "seems" a little harsher, and "feels" the road surface much more, especially when cold - HOWEVER The fitting of these coincided with the fitting of the polybushes to the rear suspension and it may be that is the reason for the change, and not just the tyres.
If you get over Swidnod way you're welcome to a test drive any time :)
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first point, we have different sensitivities on tramlining.. :-\
I also use f1 Asy2 but their sizes 225 45 17 and they are used with spacers .. grip is good but sometimes they tramline..
and imo you have to drive them at least on 2 cars to have clear idea.. and I'm not sure you can hammer them on someone else's car.. :-\
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Here, although all michelines, bridgestones and goodyear ,conti models available in all sizes and models that you can visually and physically check,
dunlops, especially performance models with bigger sizes cannot be found on shops.. :-\
they only bring them if you pay ..
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
I have never seen any F1 hopeless even the old models ::)
ps: goodyear is the owner of dunlop :)
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here is some interesting info I found before
"In the past all tyres were made from rubber, mixed with sulphur (to harden it) and carbon (to bulk it out). In the early nineties, tyre manufacturers realised that if you replace some of the carbon with silica you can make an 'eco' tyre. Silica adds to the grip of the tyre, so that you can use more sulphur and hence a harder rubber compound. So silica tyres have much lower rolling resistance, about the same grip in the dry, and actually much better grip in the wet. Michelin were the first manufacturer to do this with their 'Energy' tyres. Interesting Pirelli used an early version of the silica mix in their P6000 tyres, but they used too much sulphur and so the rubber was too hard.......
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SP01, NCT5, Excellence, SP2000, SP3000, SP9000, Ventura, are all silica tyres. Eagle F1 and SportMaxx are carbon tyres, hence are much softer.
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
I have never seen any F1 hopeless even the old models ::)
ps: goodyear is the owner of dunlop :)
thats just my opinion cem and yes i do know goodyear own dublop but still prefer them to goodyear thats just my opinion
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
I have never seen any F1 hopeless even the old models ::)
ps: goodyear is the owner of dunlop :)
thats just my opinion cem and yes i do know goodyear own dublop but still prefer them to goodyear thats just my opinion
everyone is free to think anything Ozzy.. problem is, it doesnt sound logical to me that a firm owns a brand and its top class tyre is "incomparably" bad to the other brand it owns :-\
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
There's valuable info there ozzy. They could help us to avoid problems in future.
Any chance you could find out exactly what tyre it was? We'd need all the details. Make, model, size, load and speed rating. If possible.
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
There's valuable info there ozzy. They could help us to avoid problems in future.
Any chance you could find out exactly what tyre it was? We'd need all the details. Make, model, size, load and speed rating. If possible.
cloudy weather Chris ::) ;D
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
There's valuable info there ozzy. They could help us to avoid problems in future.
Any chance you could find out exactly what tyre it was? We'd need all the details. Make, model, size, load and speed rating. If possible.
ill see if ive still got the recipt chris but it was quite awile ago :y :y
wheres the cloudy weather cem its loverly and sunny here :D :D :D :D
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
There's valuable info there ozzy. They could help us to avoid problems in future.
Any chance you could find out exactly what tyre it was? We'd need all the details. Make, model, size, load and speed rating. If possible.
ill see if ive still got the recipt chris but it was quite awile ago :y :y
wheres the cloudy weather cem its loverly and sunny here :D :D :D :D
the size ect on both sets were the same 225/55 ZR 16 95W. goodyear eagle i dont know which dunlop they were like i said i preferd the dulop which seemed more stable than the goodyear there both good tyres but the dunlops were beter for me
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Standard 17 Elite alloys on 3.2 Elite with LPG. GY F1 assym 2 XL
Cannot really complain except for the fact that they are quite noisy, esp over poorer surfaces. About 6k on them so far. No experience in the size you ask for though, so may be useless to you.
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i liked the dulops on my mig never gave me any trouble and im not the slowest driver out there but the goodyears were hopeles only did 2000 miles before i took them off and gave them to my brother woulnt go in a straight line broke away on bendr in the wet & dry the last set i had wre coopers they wernt bad at all considering they were half the price of the dunlops did about30000 miles on the last set of dunlops a good tyre as far as im concerned
No real problems with them here. :-\ I admit that they are knocked off course by raised white lines, but no issues with them generally. :-\ They stop well in the wet and dry and certainly don't give me any concerns at speed. I find they behave well in the lorry ruts when I'm towing so I'm happy enough with them. :y Mine are 17's though.
We now have varying opinions on the same tyre so I'm not sure this is going anywhere. :-\ Is the same tyre acting differently on different Omega's? :-\
Mine are 235/45/17 Extra Load 97Y.
Plies Sidewall 1 Polyester Tread,
1Polyester + 2 Steel + 1 Polyamide.
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Not a lot of help on 18s Jaime :(
Guess you dont want to be a pioneer again ;)
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Not a lot of help on 18s Jaime :(
Guess you dont want to be a pioneer again ;)
Too frekkin' right, Dbug. I know its impossible to say, but can't imagine that 235/45/17 and 235/40/18 would be massively different, so if a tyre works on Omega on 17", should it be drastically worse on 18"?
YZ250 - thanks, I may have to pop over if I get time :y. Time may be against me though, sadly.
I was asking about people's experience on Omegas, but its skewed off course with more pointless quotes from the Internet. As I said at the beginning, I couldn't give a shit about what is written about a tyre elsewhere on the Internet. Listened to that crap before, got the £700 bill, found out they were utter shite, and need to get them off the car. Now. Without going over well trodden ground, we know that tyre reviews mean absolutely jack all when it comes to what works well on the Omega. Therefore, I really am not interested in heresay and other 'dangle berries'. I am only interested in what works on the Omega.
In case that in unclear, I am only interested in what works on the Omega.
Thanks.
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Standard 17 Elite alloys on 3.2 Elite with LPG. GY F1 assym 2 XL
Cannot really complain except for the fact that they are quite noisy, esp over poorer surfaces. About 6k on them so far. No experience in the size you ask for though, so may be useless to you.
Could you post the size, speed and load ratings D, if you get a mo. :)
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Not a lot of help on 18s Jaime :(
Guess you dont want to be a pioneer again ;)
Too frekkin' right, Dbug. I know its impossible to say, but can't imagine that 235/45/17 and 235/40/18 would be massively different, so if a tyre works on Omega on 17", should it be drastically worse on 18"?
YZ250 - thanks, I may have to pop over if I get time :y . Time may be against me though, sadly.
I was asking about people's experience on Omegas, but its skewed off course with more pointless quotes from the Internet. As I said at the beginning, I couldn't give a shit about what is written about a tyre elsewhere on the Internet. Listened to that crap before, got the £700 bill, found out they were utter shite, and need to get them off the car. Now. Without going over well trodden ground, we know that tyre reviews mean absolutely jack all when it comes to what works well on the Omega. Therefore, I really am not interested in heresay and other 'dangle berries'. I am only interested in what works on the Omega.
In case that in unclear, I am only interested in what works on the Omega.
Thanks.
the quotes from internet was about their chemical compounds and historical change which I thought was interesting..
thanks.. from now on I wont share anything about them :(
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the quotes from internet was about their chemical compounds and historical change which I thought was interesting..
thanks.. from now on I wont share anything about them :(
Not saying they wasn't. Why not start a thread about it ;)
This thread is about what tyres are proven to work for people like me (ie, Omega driver). Time is of the essence, so I need to keep it on topic.
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Just to add my tuppence worth here, not that I'm interested you understand, every omega in the land will behave differently even on the same tyres. There are too many variables in the suspension and geometry. Every car will be slightly different, unless you've all been to WIM on the same say.
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Just to add my tuppence worth here, not that I'm interested you understand, every omega in the land will behave differently even on the same tyres. There are too many variables in the suspension and geometry. Every car will be slightly different, unless you've all been to WIM on the same say.
A valid point, but I suspect there is a good proportion of members with a good, well maintained, tight chassis, running WIM settings.
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Bowlocks..I'm right.
This fact, of course, renders all of Gixers rantings null and void. ;D
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Sniff sniff... There's that smell of wee again. :-\ ;D
Being fair, its almost impossible to understand this problem unless its been experience first hand. It is VERY difficult to accept that a tyre can possibly cause the issues TB is seeing. But it is. It's been proved, and we need to learn from it. That means moving forward and thinking differently, as what we all thought we knew about this issue doesn't cover it. Sadly.
This could happen to any member here remember. :)
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Sniff sniff... There's that smell of wee again. :-\ ;D
Being fair, its almost impossible to understand this problem unless its been experience first hand. It is VERY difficult to accept that a tyre can possibly cause the issues TB is seeing. But it is. It's been proved, and we need to learn from it. That means moving forward and thinking differently, as what we all thought we knew about this issue doesn't cover it. Sadly.
This could happen to any member here remember. :)
Given the hugely expensive mistake of the SC5s, I'm beyond the thinking about why at the moment, my immediate concern is just some comments on what will work for me, by members who have personal experience of the tyre on an Omega.
There has been some good come out of this saga:
1) We know that SC5s are wholly unsuitable for the Omega :(
2) The mistake is short lived :D
Shame it's cost me an awful lot of money to find this out >:( :'(
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Sniff sniff... There's that smell of wee again. :-\ ;D
Being fair, its almost impossible to understand this problem unless its been experience first hand. It is VERY difficult to accept that a tyre can possibly cause the issues TB is seeing. But it is. It's been proved, and we need to learn from it. That means moving forward and thinking differently, as what we all thought we knew about this issue doesn't cover it. Sadly.
This could happen to any member here remember. :)
Null and void Gayboy. ;D
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Sniff sniff... There's that smell of wee again. :-\ ;D
Being fair, its almost impossible to understand this problem unless its been experience first hand. It is VERY difficult to accept that a tyre can possibly cause the issues TB is seeing. But it is. It's been proved, and we need to learn from it. That means moving forward and thinking differently, as what we all thought we knew about this issue doesn't cover it. Sadly.
This could happen to any member here remember. :)
Null and void Gayboy. ;D
The worst set up omega I've ever driven, with worn tyres, and various faults, doesn't behave as badly as a well set up car with no faults and sc5 fitted.
I have some nice part worn sc3 mo 18 that work. :)
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Best advice Jaime - go forward with a tyre that works ok on Omegas, preferably on both 16" & 17" rims (in the absence of +ve data on 18"s). Aim for 95+ load rating and be prepared to "play about" with tyre pressures.
This is "damage limitation"
But ffs why is the Omega so borderline with tyres? Many, many owners just go to their local tyre centre and buy "reasonably priced" tyres and don't experience issues with wandering. Accept that SC5s dodgy on Omegas, but don't accept that the majority of other makes also cause wandering on Omegas. Don't see or hear of owners of other make cars having a big issue with wandering. Maybe certain people are searching for the "holy grail" ??? Fraid its becoming obsessive now.
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Standard 17 Elite alloys on 3.2 Elite with LPG. GY F1 assym 2 XL
Cannot really complain except for the fact that they are quite noisy, esp over poorer surfaces. About 6k on them so far. No experience in the size you ask for though, so may be useless to you.
Could you post the size, speed and load ratings D, if you get a mo. :)
17" std elite alloys, so 235/45/17, XL 97 Y.
Edit: To confuse things, there is a F1 assym and a F1 assym 2 (i.e. 2 being the newer version).
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Bit late to this but I'm a Goodyear groupie and have been for years on large (relatively) powerfull cars such as omega, senator, and Beemer 5 series through past work.
I continued using Goodyear on my own cars including Carlton gsi, pfl mv6 (eagle) and fl 3.2 estate (f1 assym and assym 2).
The FL runs 235/45/17 and 97 or 98 extra load (will check in the morning if you wish) as well as bilstein B4 and eibach springs all round. WIM settings will be out now due to wear and the car now tramlines a wee bit. When all as new and sharp it was, well, new and sharp. Handled well, wet or dry, predictable and able to be played with on bends and roundabouts as and when.
As I have edged closer to pipe and slippers over the past 6 years I have realised how lucky i have been in driving terms over the past 25 or so years I have resisted the temptation to put the car sideways at every opperchancity and now like the knowledge that the tyres are grippy and sure footed 99.5% of the time.
Dunno if that helps of hinders your choice TB but I know what I like and I like knowing that the tyres are predi table and not liable to bite me unexpectedly if I get too keen.
They are softish though but I consider them as consumables. Anywhere between 7-10 k is fine by me....
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Best advice Jaime - go forward with a tyre that works ok on Omegas, preferably on both 16" & 17" rims (in the absence of +ve data on 18"s). Aim for 95+ load rating and be prepared to "play about" with tyre pressures.
This is "damage limitation"
My feelings exactly at the moment, due to needing to replace at least 2 of the SC5s. Long term, I'd like to try to understand why, if we can, but my immediate issue is what to do now. Hence the thread asking about specific tyres I'm interested in :)
But ffs why is the Omega so borderline with tyres? Many, many owners just go to their local tyre centre and buy "reasonably priced" tyres and don't experience issues with wandering. Accept that SC5s dodgy on Omegas, but don't accept that the majority of other makes also cause wandering on Omegas. Don't see or hear of owners of other make cars having a big issue with wandering. Maybe certain people are searching for the "holy grail" ??? Fraid its becoming obsessive now.
The Omega does seem prone/more suseptical to lack of stability in a straight line than any other vehicle I've owned or been responsible for. Note, due to various definitions of what people call tramline, I'll just say, I want the car to go straight, particularly on roads that do not look to have a poor surface.
The "Holy Grail" level I'm looking for I eluded to in the "Relaxing commute" thread - having a car that is a relaxing cruiser, easy and effortless to drive. Yet has the capability when the mood takes me. Sport Maxx TT (and SP9000 before it, though not at the same level of grip, but was slightly better wearing) shows this does not have to be mutually exclusive.
I have driven 3 Omegas (that it can be shown the chassis was fine) that I thought suffered straight line stability issues so bad that I thought it bordered on the dangerous:
Gayboy's "Gay" car with Falken 912 at Asheridge meet, I thought was so dangerous, I refused to go more than about half a mile - it was an uneven country road, but even so, every time a car came the other way, I was fully clenched trying to get it between the verge and the oncoming car.
My TBE with SC5s
My Silver Bullet with TBE's SC5s on
Both of use have made these expensive mistakes, based on recommendations from people who have used them on other cars, tyre reviews, etc etc.
Neither of us want to see anyone else make similar, expensive, potentially dangerous mistakes. And from a slightly selfish viewpoint, I don't want to make another as well, even if I could afford to.
Hope that clarifies where I'm coming from, and why sometimes frustration creeps out :-[
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As previously said .. offer is there for you to try the eagles .. just have to work out the methodology .... :)
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As previously said .. offer is there for you to try the eagles .. just have to work out the methodology .... :)
Yup, noted :y
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Bit late to this but I'm a Goodyear groupie and have been for years on large (relatively) powerfull cars such as omega, senator, and Beemer 5 series through past work.
I continued using Goodyear on my own cars including Carlton gsi, pfl mv6 (eagle) and fl 3.2 estate (f1 assym and assym 2).
The FL runs 235/45/17 and 97 or 98 extra load (will check in the morning if you wish) as well as bilstein B4 and eibach springs all round. WIM settings will be out now due to wear and the car now tramlines a wee bit. When all as new and sharp it was, well, new and sharp. Handled well, wet or dry, predictable and able to be played with on bends and roundabouts as and when.
As I have edged closer to pipe and slippers over the past 6 years I have realised how lucky i have been in driving terms over the past 25 or so years I have resisted the temptation to put the car sideways at every opperchancity and now like the knowledge that the tyres are grippy and sure footed 99.5% of the time.
Dunno if that helps of hinders your choice TB but I know what I like and I like knowing that the tyres are predi table and not liable to bite me unexpectedly if I get too keen.
They are softish though but I consider them as consumables. Anywhere between 7-10 k is fine by me....
Thanks H21, thats perfect feedback.
Did you ever try them on those Irmscher wheels you had, they were 18s IIRC?
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Nope, never fitted the irmscher 18's. they are still in my garage. You want a spare set??
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But ffs why is the Omega so borderline with tyres? Many, many owners just go to their local tyre centre and buy "reasonably priced" tyres and don't experience issues with wandering. Accept that SC5s dodgy on Omegas, but don't accept that the majority of other makes also cause wandering on Omegas. Don't see or hear of owners of other make cars having a big issue with wandering. Maybe certain people are searching for the "holy grail" ??? Fraid its becoming obsessive now.
I'd say that there are certain tyres that do make an Omega pretty unsafe. No experience of SC5s but Gixer's old Falkens were scary. It's not a case of people becoming obsessive, IMHO.
You only have to look at the suspension setup on the Omega. The most basic mcpherson strut setup on the front, steering axis behind the wheel, recirculating ball box instead of a rack, all suspended on really sloppy bushes to try and make it comfortable yet taking the loads consistent with being fitted to a 1.8 tonne car.
It's all going to make the setup of the car sensitive to any forces exerted on the suspension by the tyres, so if you have a tyre that tries to tug the suspension out of true with every undulation in the road surface, it will deflect the suspension on an Omega whereas in other cars, the suspension might resist to a better degree. Put a more "well-behaved" tyre on and it'll be fine.
You only have to look at the setups on other "large comfortable saloons" to see what lengths other manufacturers have gone to. The Omega is nice and simple to work on in comparison, but I believe that's where the sensitivity to tyre characteristics comes in.
Based on some cars I've driven, it's clear to me that a lot of drivers aren't that critical of this behaviour and tend to drive around issues in car setup and, when the behaviour or applying constant corrections eventually becomes "programmed", become ignorant of the issues, rather than analyse them and try to resolve them. A case in point being that before mine was properly sorted after poly bushing it, mrs. KW didn't like driving it yet couldn't put a finger on why. "It's too big", etc. After it was properly sorted and I explained what I considered had been improved, she agreed, and now says it's much less tiring to drive. It's easy to put where you want it on the road and thus no longer "too big" and also more forgiving of her "one hand on the wheel, the other rummaging in handbag, etc." driving style. ::)
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Nope, never fitted the irmscher 18's. they are still in my garage. You want a spare set??
Wrong offset for me iirc. More interested if you'd tried 18" GY F1
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Lets assume that load rating is key for just a second. Yet to prove it but will we ever? But just for a second.
In the same way that camber is key to inner edge tyre wear, we have established that even the least aggressive camber setting specified by Vauxhall is still going to give excessive tyre wear.
With that in mind, should we trust them on load rating as well? Or, giving vx the benefit, maybe the load ratings where correct when tested and gave stability but now non of those tyres are available and we have to move on. Only to find that one makers load rating is quite differant to another's.
The more I look at it, thanks to members patience, the more I feel we would see less stability problems with load ratings above 96. But then we are the only ones with facility to test that theory.
....ultimately I think we are a victim of Vauxhall testing, or lack of. Tbh.
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Nope, never fitted the irmscher 18's. they are still in my garage. You want a spare set??
I might be interested in the future :-X
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TB if you can wait 10 days or so I will be taking my car to WIM :y
Got bushes to change first, but needs doing sooner than later as inner edge on the fronts are already wearing >:(
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Nope, never fitted the irmscher 18's. they are still in my garage. You want a spare set??
I might be interested in the future :-X
As Buzby said, 'it's good to talk'. Or was that Bee Tee? ;D
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Nope, never fitted the irmscher 18's. they are still in my garage. You want a spare set??
I might be interested in the future :-X
As Buzby said, 'it's good to talk'. Or was that Bee Tee? ;D
Or was it TuBy? ;D ;D ;D
Don't hang on to them for my benefit as lots of other things have to fall into line first but I'll be in touch to see if they're still there once all the ducks are lined up :y :y
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TB if you can wait 10 days or so I will be taking my car to WIM :y
Got bushes to change first, but needs doing sooner than later as inner edge on the fronts are already wearing >:(
I don't think Enduros are for me. Not that I've tried them. Maybe for Mrs TB at some stage in the future.
I have a theory that I overdrove the SC5s. I cannot believe any manufacturer can supply tyres that are so woefully bad.
Although, that said, they are supposed to be high performance tyres, so should be able to have some abuse (and they haven't had much TBH), and we've seen similar with Falkens.
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Fair enough :y not just tyres though...
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Fair enough :y not just tyres though...
I heard a rumour that you've been experimenting :)