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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Jim on 21 March 2013, 21:20:57
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Well that's 45 hours of my life I won't be getting back, but at least its done now!!!!!!
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Congrats :y
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Congratulations....... :y :y
How did you do it?
Do you drive for a living?
I have HGV and PSV but no CPC as yet, wondering if it is worthwhile as I don't drive for a living but had thoughts about semi retirement in 5 years and doing some driving to supplement any pension... :-\ :-\ :-\
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Congratulations Jim, well worth the Aggro! ;D :y
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Congratulations....... :y :y
How did you do it?
Do you drive for a living?
I have HGV and PSV but no CPC as yet, wondering if it is worthwhile as I don't drive for a living but had thoughts about semi retirement in 5 years and doing some driving to supplement any pension... :-\ :-\ :-\
Thanks,
Yes I drive for a living ::)
To get the 45 hours I did 31 hours of ADR/Hazmat Classes 2,3,4,5,6,8 & 9 in Tanks
Then 7 hours all about drivers hours then 7 hours of good customer relations :P
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Congratulations Jim, well worth the Aggro! ;D :y
Aye it was ok,
The good thing is because it doesn't come into affect for LGV drivers until Oct 2014 if you get your CPC now you get the time from now until Oct 2014 free so my card is valid for 6.5 years rather than 5 years and expires Oct 2019 :y
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this cpc is a load of c@@P
ive done the same course;[first aid] 3 times and it still counts
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Congratulations....... :y :y
How did you do it?
Do you drive for a living?
I have HGV and PSV but no CPC as yet, wondering if it is worthwhile as I don't drive for a living but had thoughts about semi retirement in 5 years and doing some driving to supplement any pension... :-\ :-\ :-\
i'm in the same boat got hgv,does this cpc rubbish mean my licence is revoked?
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Does the rest of Europe do the same as the uk?
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Congratulations....... :y :y
How did you do it?
Do you drive for a living?
I have HGV and PSV but no CPC as yet, wondering if it is worthwhile as I don't drive for a living but had thoughts about semi retirement in 5 years and doing some driving to supplement any pension... :-\ :-\ :-\
i'm in the same boat got hgv,does this cpc rubbish mean my licence is revoked?
Not to my knowledge, mine has just been renewed, it is to do with hire and reward, so if you are paid to drive then you need a cpc if you own a HGV or PSV privately then you do not need the cpc but may need the licence to drive it, you can also be a volunteer driver, more likely for a bus....I could stand corrected but my licence says I have one for another 5 years....... ::) ::)
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mine was renewed last august,its funny but when i got my licence that was it,if i was crap at drivers hours,customer relations etc i would be fired,how does a cpc help other than keeping a couple of chair polishers employed?
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Here's what the net says.
Under a new European Union Directive, professional bus, coach and lorry drivers need to hold a Driver CPC in addition to a vocational driving licence. Any drivers of lorries over 3.5 tonnes and minibuses with 9 seats or more must obtain a Driver CPC.
New drivers obtain their Driver CPC by passing a series of initial qualification tests - theory and practical. This must then be followed by 35 hours of periodic training every five years if they want to keep their Driver CPC after that period.
Bus and coach drivers who hold a relevant vocational licence gained before 10 September 2008, and lorry drivers who obtained their licence before 10 September 2009, do not need to take the initial qualification. This is because they are deemed to hold 'acquired rights'. However, they will have to complete periodic training to keep their Driver CPC.
Driver CPC is valid for five years. New drivers who have qualified via the initial qualification route will receive a Driver Qualification Card (DQC), which they can show as proof that they hold Driver CPC. Existing drivers will receive their DQC when they have completed their 35 hours of periodic training. Their DQC will be valid till 9 September 2018 for PCV drivers and 9 September 2019 for LGV drivers. Holders of both licences will be covered by one DQC and only need to take 35 hours of periodic training in five years once. Also holders of both licences will have their DQC valid for all groups (HGV & PSV) till 9 September 2019
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_CPC
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Under a new European Union Directive, professional bus, coach and lorry drivers need to hold a Driver CPC in addition to a vocational driving licence. Any drivers of lorries over 3.5 tonnes and minibuses with 9 seats or more must obtain a Driver CPC.
Yet a fair proportion of us who are past puberty have 7.5t rights on our licence. So I can go hire one, and be a man with a (very large) van.
Beaurocracy is overwhelming the UK (and I suspect euroland) :(. Note, UKIP is not the solution IMHO, before the fanatical start ;D.
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I hold a pcv licence and in all honesty you can attend as many ''courses'' as the EU or any other know nothing faceless bodies can think up,but really if your a knob and you act and drive like a knob these courses and certificates are a waste of time.A personal example of this is a mate of my was killed instantly last month at the age of 54 while driving a bus at Heathrow airport,thanks to a Royal Mail heavy who ran a red light that had been on red for eight seconds.That driver should have been made to attend the funeral and see the effect on my mates wife,daughters and grand kids that his criminal act had caused,I did and it was really sad to see it,the only thing is that there's a strong chance that he'll go to prison for his actions and rightly so.
I've got to do the CPC before September and in all honesty like the majority of the people attending with me it's going to be an exercise in teaching your granny to suck eggs,why do we need to be ''educated'' by the EU on our driving standards etc ?
I've driven throughout Europe,USA and Canada and even though the standards have dropped here over the years,we are still pretty good drivers and why is it that the pro drivers get singled out all the time,ALL drivers should be required to maintain their standards,not just pass a driving test and then go tear arseing around the country for 50/60 years without any further requirements :o
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If it were implemented properly (which would cost too much of course), it would be worthwhile. Having done it myself, it's so appallingly simplistic, that it's an utter waste of time. Still, a day off the road with lunch provided isn't too bad.
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That's fine if your company pays for the training, but for people like me who keep their HGV licence for a rainy day it's a PITA!! >:(
I regard my HGV licence as my safety net as I know that if all else fails I'll be able to find work lorry driving, however soon if I don't get the CPC my licence will be worthless! :-\ It's just more bureaucratic EU shite!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Rant over.... :-X ::)
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That's fine if your company pays for the training, but for people like me who keep their HGV licence for a rainy day it's a PITA!! >:(
I regard my HGV licence as my safety net as I know that if all else fails I'll be able to find work lorry driving, however soon if I don't get the CPC my licence will be worthless! :-\ It's just more bureaucratic EU shite!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Rant over.... :-X ::)
My LGV / PCV licences were also my "rainy day" safety net .. but have dropped them both now .. worked out the cost of CPC + medical + the other bits - forklifts, site safety etc etc - all originally paid for as military resettlement - and then factor in the chances of someone actually employing a 62 year old with limited experience - and all this being just a "maybe" - and it didn't seem to be worthwhile ... shame really as I had enjoyed the bits I had done, especially the coach work .. :)
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Here's what the net says.
Under a new European Union Directive, professional bus, coach and lorry drivers need to hold a Driver CPC in addition to a vocational driving licence. Any drivers of lorries over 3.5 tonnes and minibuses with 9 seats or more must obtain a Driver CPC.
New drivers obtain their Driver CPC by passing a series of initial qualification tests - theory and practical. This must then be followed by 35 hours of periodic training every five years if they want to keep their Driver CPC after that period.
Bus and coach drivers who hold a relevant vocational licence gained before 10 September 2008, and lorry drivers who obtained their licence before 10 September 2009, do not need to take the initial qualification. This is because they are deemed to hold 'acquired rights'. However, they will have to complete periodic training to keep their Driver CPC.
Driver CPC is valid for five years. New drivers who have qualified via the initial qualification route will receive a Driver Qualification Card (DQC), which they can show as proof that they hold Driver CPC. Existing drivers will receive their DQC when they have completed their 35 hours of periodic training. Their DQC will be valid till 9 September 2018 for PCV drivers and 9 September 2019 for LGV drivers. Holders of both licences will be covered by one DQC and only need to take 35 hours of periodic training in five years once. Also holders of both licences will have their DQC valid for all groups (HGV & PSV) till 9 September 2019
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_CPC
Thanks for the info and link, better find me a training place, passed my tests in 1979 and 1980..... :y :y
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I wonder if you get taught how to do this on the CPC... :-\ ::)
http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/impressive-way-to-unload-a-truck/1j4kec0tn
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You can also top up your cpc by taking a 7.5 hour coarse every year once you complete the inital 35 hrs and you can ask for a grant from the ILA (independant learning authority max £200) which is enough to pay for the coarse thus keeping you above the 35 hrs and the goverment pay it :y
There is a website run by DSA that allow drivers to keep track on cpc hours I'll try and find it and post link here.
Just one thing to bear in mind that after the deadline you won't be able to drive a lgv/psv without a cpc.
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i done mine a couple months back and valid till sept 2019 ,same done adr 21 hours, customer services 7 hours and tacho hours and regs 7 hours.
not cheap when doing yourself but ila £200 helped,
the link to check you traininf status is:
https://www.gov.uk/check-your-driver-cpc-periodic-training-hours (https://www.gov.uk/check-your-driver-cpc-periodic-training-hours)
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You can also top up your cpc by taking a 7.5 hour coarse every year once you complete the inital 35 hrs and you can ask for a grant from the ILA (independant learning authority max £200) which is enough to pay for the coarse thus keeping you above the 35 hrs and the goverment pay it :y
There is a website run by DSA that allow drivers to keep track on cpc hours I'll try and find it and post link here.
Just one thing to bear in mind that after the deadline you won't be able to drive a lgv/psv for reward without a cpc.
Fixed that for you :) .. Its a very minor difference, but you DON'T need CPC if you are not a paid (profesional) driver. This allows folks with their own horseboxes, fire-engines etc etc to drive quite legally.
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You can also top up your cpc by taking a 7.5 hour coarse every year once you complete the inital 35 hrs and you can ask for a grant from the ILA (independant learning authority max £200) which is enough to pay for the coarse thus keeping you above the 35 hrs and the goverment pay it :y
There is a website run by DSA that allow drivers to keep track on cpc hours I'll try and find it and post link here.
Just one thing to bear in mind that after the deadline you won't be able to drive a lgv/psv for reward without a cpc.
Fixed that for you :) .. Its a very minor difference, but you DON'T need CPC if you are not a paid (profesional) driver. This allows folks with their own horseboxes, fire-engines etc etc to drive quite legally.
Not if you compete in competitions that give prize money, people travel the country doing this, many as a business / profession - so I was informed from a reliable source..... :-\ :-\
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I wonder if the many Eastern European truck drivers (who did their test in a tractor and trailer) plying our roads are doing CPC's? :-\
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i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them >:(
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I did'nt want to go there but seeing that you have,it would be rude not to chip in.When I was with Nat Ex we had monthly recruitment days and with a couple of other instructors it was our job to do the driving asessments prior to interview,from 2001 we had a flood of eastern European bus drivers looking for jobs and I can say now that in all honesty the standard of driving was poor and in the case of two Romanians I assessed they were marked down as dangerous.The only eastern European driver I put through was a Russian guy who was fired within a year for the sexual harrassment of a female passenger and revenue fraud.I always tried to cut all applicants a bit of slack when checking their standard of driving and of course I failed British,Asian and even a Frenchman who piled our test bus into a brand new double decker in a layby whilst on his assessment, so it was nothing personal..just trying to look into the future and make sure that the travelling public were kept safe.
It sounds like I'm grinding a bit of an axe here...maybe I am but I can only draw on my own recent personal experiences and I and the other instructors were always wary of all applicants regardless of their country of origin, but the standard of driving from eastern Europe was flagged up for scrutiny because of the accidents within the group involving the newly recruited Polish bus drivers who were directly 'head hunted' by Travel West Midlands/Nat Express who went over to Poland and brought them back,providing them with accomodation etc as incentives to work here.I know for a fact that the accident rate climbed overnight with one incident of a driver hitting the same bridge twice in two weeks,I know bus/coach driving is not every ones idea of a glittering career,probably more of way of earning a crust but imho all the bus and transport companies are guilty of damaging the image of these industries by employing in many cases cheap labour from other countries ..Rant over..sorry!
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i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them >:(
If that's the case, why the f**k are customs and excise not checking these arseholes documents when they drive off the ferry ?
They are quick enough to pull you up if you have a bottle of beer or box of fags too many >:( >:( >:(
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Rules for you and me..then there's rules for the ''others'' ::)
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Rules for you and me..then there's rules for the ''others'' ::)
Best I not comment on that or i'll get abused by the forum police and band :-X :-X :-X
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because customs and excise are looking for contraband not driving licences.its also apparent that british firms employ "foreign"drivers with dodgy licences also.
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Go on...live dangerously, remember the old saying ''the truth often hurts'' :y
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i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them >:(
If that's the case, why the f**k are customs and excise not checking these arseholes documents when they drive off the ferry ?
They are quick enough to pull you up if you have a bottle of beer or box of fags too many >:( >:( >:(
As we are not part of the Schengen agreement area the UKBA can and do check passports on entry to the UK, however I expect (and I'm not entirely sure about this) that as the UK is part of the EU Single Market the rules do not allow the routine checking of driving licenses as that would impede free movement. ::)
Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! :-\
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because customs and excise are looking for contraband not driving licences.its also apparent that british firms employ "foreign"drivers with dodgy licences also.
Understand where your coming from but I have been asked for my licence and insurance plus passport when coming and going through Hull dock to Rotterdam / Zeebrugge :)
Never questioned it or had a problem with it because i'd done nothing wrong and appreciate they had a job to do.
Whether its in there job description I don't know but if it isn't, it should be.
At the end of the day, all customs officers hold the queens warrant :)
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i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them >:(
If that's the case, why the f**k are customs and excise not checking these arseholes documents when they drive off the ferry ?
They are quick enough to pull you up if you have a bottle of beer or box of fags too many >:( >:( >:(
As we are not part of the Schengen agreement area the UKBA can and do check passports on entry to the UK, however I expect (and I'm not entirely sure about this) that as the UK is part of the EU Single Market the rules do not allow the routine checking of driving licenses as that would impede free movement. ::)
Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! :-\
Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw ;D ;D ;D
Ok if I use your name in court ? :D :D :D
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Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! :-\
Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw ;D ;D ;D
Ok if I use your name in court ? :D :D :D
Feel free Tigers, you can also use my mate Micky Mouse's name as well if you like!! ;D
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they could stop a lot of things at the dockside easily but,and hears the rub,the port authorities are privately run, they do not want a load of dodgy lorries parked in their port clogging up their revenue stream
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Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! :-\
Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw ;D ;D ;D
Ok if I use your name in court ? :D :D :D
Feel free Tigers, you can also use my mate Micky Mouse's name as well if you like!! ;D
I think I know you ............... I'm not really Mr Gonads, i'm Mr D Duck ;D ;D ;D
Funny old world ain't it :D :D :D
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I think regardless of wether these drivers hold the relevant qualifications/skills to do the job.I think if you spend any length of time on the UK roads your own eyes will provide the answers we're looking for..in general foreign trucks make me a little twitchy when it comes to an overtake and I always without exception go for the safety shot and go wide and on the motorway do it in lane 3 if available.I've had a few close calls but not always with eastern European trucks because there's such a large number of other nationalalities out there as soon as I see a non UK number plate then it's time to think about getting away from it.....yes I know I'm a chicken ::) ::)
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they could stop a lot of things at the dockside easily but,and hears the rub,the port authorities are privately run, they do not want a load of dodgy lorries parked in their port clogging up their revenue stream
Very true that :y
It was (shall we say in certain circles) known ;) that with Hull docks, you could get things threw if you knew the right person >:( >:(
Google a certain haulage firm owner from Hull that got away with it for years until things changed and he got tugged :)
I believe he got a good 15 years :) :y
I'll say nothing more about this on a open forum :-X
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I saw an Italian truck run a car off the road once... deliberately!! >:(
I was on the M25 driving an arctic in the inside lane and there was a car just ahead. The Italian truck pulled out from behind me, overtook and went to pull in ahead of me. As he started to pull in he realised there was a car where he wanted to go so started to move out to the middle lane again, but then inexplicably he changed his mind and swerved into the inside lane forcing the car into the hard shoulder!! :o
The car wasn't hit and no one was hurt (as far as I know) but I'm sure it was a case of brown pants!!! I should have stopped myself and called the Police, but decided at the time that as there was no damage done, there was little point and the Italian would be on the ferry soon anyway..... :-\ :-[
Why did he do it? The only answer I could think of is because the occupants of the car were black... :o
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The way you were describing the incident with the Italian heavy I thought you were about to describe an incident about 3 years ago near J9 of the M25 when my son who was then an HGV tyre fitter was attending a call there and while he was working he heard the usual tyre and crunching metal noises which are so familar on that road.When he stood up to see what was going on he saw what turned out to be an Italian artic that had T-boned a car and was now heading directly towards him,every one ran for cover as the heavy with a very large bonnet mascot went between the rear end of the trailer he was working on and tagged the front of his van before crushing the car against the Armco injuring the people inside.My son still goes out to calls on the motorway but only if there's no one else he can send,apparently the driver of the offending truck never came back for the court date.
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I wonder if the many Eastern European truck drivers (who did their test in a tractor and trailer) plying our roads are doing CPC's? :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D That's a new name for a brown envelope. :o :o :o :o Still very common in many Eastern European countries, to have no lessons, turn up for test with a brown envelope and have a full licence. This is one of the reasons why in Eastern Europe driving standards are so low.
In the Ukraine, where car ownership is going up rapidly, so are their road deaths which reached 9,424 in 2011 or 1.38% of all deaths. :'( :o :o :o This is for a far lower car ownership than the UK and a population of 43m. :o :o :o :o
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I have just watched a Utube compilation road crashes, 35 minutes or so of, mostly, eastern Europe coverage, shocking driving and many so predictable I have to wonder how it happened..... :o :o Vid is from in car cameras, unbelievable lack of driving / anticipation skills....... :o :o
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In 2011, there were 1901 people killed on UK roads. For a population of 63.181m and a car ownership rate of 519 / 1000.
In 2011, there were 9,424 people killed on Ukraine roads. for a population of 45.795m and car ownership rate of 173 / 1000.
So there were in 2011 32.970m cars in the UK and 7.922m in the Ukraine. A Ukraine car owner is about 20.5 more likely to be killed than one in the UK. :o :o :o :o
Whereas with a Western made cars have many safety features, especially air bags, with the average Eastern European made car I think their main safety feature if for it to happen quickly. :'( :o :o :o
Airbags would save many lives in the Ukraine where only 'cowards' and visitors wear seat belts. :o :o :o :o
The closest I've had over there is in Kiev. Traffic lights had just changed to green on the dual carriageway I was on and in the outside lane and as I and the car next to me crossed the intersection, there was a minor road about 10m after the intersection from block of flats, where a car containing 4 drunk youths pulled out straight in front of us, too fast so he went half in my lane, we both braked hard, so the car behind me overtook heading for the traffic coming the opposite direction and cut me and the car he would have had hit head-on with as he swerved back in. Madness. :o :o :o :o