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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: alan_rose on 09 May 2008, 21:28:34
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it seems that today you cannot stand up for what is right.
i was a manager for a small manufacturing firm in birmingham, the conditions are quite bad and the place looks like a scrap yard.
fork lift truck drivers dont have a licence and when you complain the attitude from the boss is unbelievable, going on about china, employing immigrants.
anyway over the last few months my motivation really diminished to the point of leaving, anyway ended up on a final warning the rest is history.
thank god the car is paid for, wife is ok also, she has seen the stress i have been under.
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Sorry to hear that, but from the sounds of it your better of out of it and starting afresh elsewhere.
Now dob him in to the HSE ;)
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Sadly too often the case nowadays.
Hope you find suitable employment soon. :y
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it seems that today you cannot stand up for what is right.
i was a manager for a small manufacturing firm in birmingham, the conditions are quite bad and the place looks like a scrap yard.
fork lift truck drivers dont have a licence and when you complain the attitude from the boss is unbelievable, going on about china, employing immigrants.
anyway over the last few months my motivation really diminished to the point of leaving, anyway ended up on a final warning the rest is history.
thank god the car is paid for, wife is ok also, she has seen the stress i have been under.
Any grounds for unfair dismissal?
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it seems that today they think that they can do what they feel like, always somebody to step in for less money
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i think i sound a little bitter, as for unfair dissmisal, i got that frustrated and lost my temper.
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Were you there more than 2 yrs?
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started in 2002
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Hey Alan,
you will look back in a year or so and think "Thank God I did that", I did the same thing just after Xmas, two days later I was in a different job :y :y
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I feel for you mate . :( :(
Been there, it's so frustrating .
Something will turn up though -- think positive :y :y
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thank you for you support, motivation at a all time high now
just got married on 7/7/2007, i know everything will be ok
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thank you for you support, motivation at a all time high now
just got married on 7/7/2007, i know everything will be ok
Is that not 10 months ago :-/
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started in 2002
I believe to claim unfair dismissal the relative tribunals need you to have been employed for 2 yrs plus.
6 yrs. in a Managerial position would give you a strong foothold should you wish to pursue the matter.
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i think i sound a little bitter, as for unfair dissmisal, i got that frustrated and lost my temper.
did a similer thing last January and lost my temper and got my self the sack ;) - glad i did, new job is sooo much better :y only regret is i didn't have a real go at the old boss >:(
as long as the missus is ok (mine was 5months pregnant at the time :o) i'm sure you're better off out of there, stress like that in a job is no joke.
good luck for the future :y :y :y
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yep and she is fantastic and understanding (does this sound gay)
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yep and she is fantastic and understanding (does this sound gay)
No, this sounds Gay "Oh what a lovely pair of curtains, you have there Alan" ;D ;D ;D
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yep and she is fantastic and understanding (does this sound gay)
yeah!!! but don't worry ;) ;D ;D ;D
need a good womens support and some positivity and the world's your oyster lobster:y
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yep and she is fantastic and understanding (does this sound gay)
yeah!!! but don't worry ;) ;D ;D ;D
need a good womens support and some positivity and the world's your oyster :y
Man your world is small ;D ;D ;D
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Losing your job can be a good thing. Something better can come along and you will wonder why you ever put up with such crap from an inefficent dimwitted manager. >:(Good luck ;)
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Sorry to hear that, but from the sounds of it your better of out of it and starting afresh elsewhere.
Now dob him in to the HSE ;)
agreed, ignore what he said about china, this isn't china, england has rules!
I pushed my luck as a member of management with my last company in an attempt to get fired, i did stuff that should have been worthy of instant dismissal, the problem was, my boss knew that my extremely negative attitude stemmed purely from my frustration that no one else took their job as seriously as I took mine, and therefore i couldnt pursuade them to actually fire me!! i almost walked once after accepting a challenge of a fist fight on the shop floor at which the challenger bottled it anyway!
out of nowhere with the most perfect timing i get a phone call from royal mail offering me a job i was turned down 7 months earlier, and the rest is history
Got my P60 yesterday though that quite pleasantly tells me that for the easy life and part time hours i did in this tax year, i earned more money that i ever did in a year at my last place
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Get some advice, you should have grounds for "construtive dissmissal" or "unlawful dissmissal".
Having been involved in an employment tribunal and a discrimination hearing, I believe that employers have so many hoops to jump through to follow employment legislation that they cannot help but to fail.
98% will not have followed correct disciplinary proceedure (interviews & documentation in a proper and timely manner) and will therefore lose the case on a technicality.
It would have been helpful if you had records of their misdeeds to support your case :-?
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Or for instant satisfaction without the hassle, do as said, phone Health and Safety Office...tell them you worked there 6 years and run through as many major issues you can and let them do the rest!
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Hope all goes well sounds as if you are better of out of it.All he best
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your old boss sounds a proper throbber .The H.S.E sounds a good idea ,people like that only understand if you hit them in the wallet
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Get straight onto HSE, the number of deaths on forklifts is very high, and when you mention none are licensed, and you were sacked because of, they will be round like a ton, sorry tonne of bricks. And so they should.
Today we put on the air conditioning, and a unit started to leak water down the wall, onto a power socket. Thats it, no messsing, switch it all off remotely, don't touch, complain to the owner on monday, and if nothing is done very quickly then HSE.
LIFE is too important to waste because people avoid their responsibilities. You are potentially saving someone else's life, go for it. :y :y :y
Ken
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i know how you feel mate,i was dismissed last month after 20 years,it makes you feel very insecure about the future but employers like yours are not worth working for,and with your managerial experience your future will probably soon look bright.as already said you should report them to hse.forklifts being driven by unqualified drivers can be lethal,someone could get killed.its also worth enquiring about unfair/constructive dismissal.first port of call would be c.a.b. ,good luck. :y
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Definately sounds like constructive dismissal - so go and sign on and get your benefits which you have paid for out of your nation insurance - THAT IS WHAT IT IS FOR.
As to the unlicenced fork lift drivers as everyone says HSE
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Get straight onto HSE, the number of deaths on forklifts is very high, and when you mention none are licensed, and you were sacked because of, they will be round like a ton, sorry tonne of bricks. And so they should.
Today we put on the air conditioning, and a unit started to leak water down the wall, onto a power socket. Thats it, no messsing, switch it all off remotely, don't touch, complain to the owner on monday, and if nothing is done very quickly then HSE.
LIFE is too important to waste because people avoid their responsibilities. You are potentially saving someone else's life, go for it. :y :y :y
Ken
Ken and the others are right.
Don't think about going to the HSE as you getting your own back, thats not what this is about.
You were getting pisssed off because the working condtions were dangerous and that soemone would get hurt. You will be doing your ex-colleagues a favour; that is what the going to the HSE is about, giving one in the eye to the wannker who runs the place is just a luck bi-product.
If you don't get in touch with the HSE then you will have to accept that you know that there is a potentially fatal situation going on out there and you did nothing to help stop it when you could have done.
As for losing your job, it is probably a very good thing. Apart from now being out of the risk of being flattened by an unqualified fork-lift driver etc. you are away from the stress, this can only be good. I have been there before and it always works out for the better. You will find something else, just don't go on about the negative side of why you left when you are going through interviews, turn it into a positive and spin into "I left to look for a job in a more professional firm and the role did not allow me the time to focus on the search for new work".
And no you didn't sound gay. How can apreciating the benefits of a supportive and sharing relationship with a woman be gay? If it were a bloke then yes maybe, but with a woman?? :-/ I think that is about as un-gay as you can get mate. :y
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TBH you got out while the going was good ---- by the sounds of it another few years would have seriously damaged you mentally and health wise!
Best of luck with the future :y
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Best of luck with whatever comes next. You're always better to move on when you aren't allowed to do your job properly, whether it's from politics or personality clash or sheer management stupidity.
I fear I'm heading down the same route myself, but I'm 62, and for the first time in my life, I'm not confident I'll be able to get new work. So for the time being, I'll continue to be a doormat (Oh God, not that again) for the buffoons I'm working for, while spending a significant part of the working day scouring Jobserve and the like for something suitable.
Still, if they try to get rid of me, I'm going straight to the tribunal with a constructive dismissal complaint, followed by an age discrimination one as well. :)
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Sounds like you're better off out of there anyway! Life's too short for all that stress. You work to live, not live to work!
As for the other advice... You will almost certainly have grounds for a compensation claim under some section of employment law and HSE need to be informed... How would you feel if one of those forklift drivers killed someone/themselves next week?
Best of luck with the job hunting and keep your chin up! :y
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sorry to hear about the job loss mate but i`m sure that you will soon find a reputable firm to work for and if you do can you let us lot know cause we r all still looking.... ;D ;D ;D
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If I have read this saga correctly, Alan was dismissed so no chance of constructive dismissal as he was actually dismissed.
The only chance he has of winning at a tribunal is if he follow the employer's disciplinary procedure which probably allows for an appeal after dismissal. Unless he follows this procedure any employment tribunal will find for the employer who have followed their procedures.
Maybe time to move on as has been said. :-/
However, many household insurance policies have 'family legal protection cover' which often covers you for employment disputes. It may be worth looking into this as a possible route if Alan wants to take things further.
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Good luck Alan! im sure something will turn up soon. i've left a few jobs for various reasons and have generally come out better. keep your chin up!
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thats bad news , but when one door shuts another opens, hope you get sorted, , put it behind you and move on, and send the health and saftey gang round to them, they love places like that. chin up
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Losing your temper, shouting at the boss etc are not grounds for dismissal. Doing it repeatedly may be but just having an argument is not, no matter how bad you feel about yourself afterwards.
Definitely get some advice - have they offerred you a settlement?