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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Cliffo B on 26 April 2013, 01:35:00
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iYesterday I tanked Migsy up with a new grade of Shell fuel called Shell V-Power Nitro+Unleaded
This has superceeded/replaced Shell V-Power which I've used for the past 4 years
I was quite surprised to find that Migsy's performance is definitely improved
According to the brochure this is achieved by having 25% more friction modifiers than the previous Shell V-Power formulation
It is specified as a 99 octane (RON) formulation
It would seem there is also an upgrade Diesel fuel called Shell V-Power Nitro+ Diesel
There it is give it a test
If Migsy's anything to go by you won't be disappointed
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Same sort of price as Shell V-Power was? , Noticed any difference in MPG?,
Will have to give this a try next time. :y
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If V Power was anything to go by, it should cover the extra cost by getting a few more mpg and a bit more oomph :y
Although if 99 ron fuel didn't make the car go better than 95 ron, I would be dissapointed :-\
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Ah Al, You obviously know and understand a bit more than I about the properties of petrol :y
You need to it's part of your job
I think you could well be right
Still it gives a marked improvement in performance
Suppose it needs someone with a nice deep pocket to do a brim to brim consumption check ::)
Running on it as I will be from the V-Power driver club (have done for the last 4 Yrs)
As this gives me the advantage of Shell's member card cum points/rebate system
Could work out OK for me
A super petrol and more MPG :y :y
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Can just about afford to fill the Mig up with LPG let alone Performance Petrol ::)
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Been using V Power and before that Optimax for some time. It'll be interesting to see if this is really much better AND if it is more expensive.
V Power is around 6p per litre more than regular which is just about justifiable (only just). I'll guess that this will be more, otherwise why would they do it ?
Need to comment that most other premium unleadeds are not justifiable. Same price as VP but only 97 ron.
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tests I did on superunleaded v unleaded 10 years back gave 10% better mpg. That was in a 2.5 V6, constant speed on a 10 mile motorway stretch. I think the superleaded then was 97 or 98, definitely not 99.
As superleaded is never 10% more in price than unleaded I always use it.
I wouldn't trust Shell though ever since the Formula Shell debacle of the 1980s http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/ (http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/) which seems to have been airbrushed out of most newspaper reports http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en).
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I wouldn't trust Shell though ever since the Formula Shell debacle of the 1980s http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/ (http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/) which seems to have been airbrushed out of most newspaper reports http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en).
I'm sure that was Captain Zok riding one of the bikes in that commercial. ;D
.. and couldn't they think of a better car than a Maestro? Driving it off a cliff couldn't fail to improve it, let alone running it on super unleaded. ;D
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I wouldn't trust Shell though ever since the Formula Shell debacle of the 1980s http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/ (http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2011/08/28/shell-fuelsave-wakens-memories-of-formula-shell-debacle/) which seems to have been airbrushed out of most newspaper reports http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YTpAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2995,5860299&dq=formula-shell&hl=en).
I'm sure that was Captain Zok riding one of the bikes in that commercial. ;D
.. and couldn't they think of a better car than a Maestro? Driving it off a cliff couldn't fail to improve it, let alone running it on super unleaded. ;D
Some say the Maestro was only produced to make the Marina look less sh**e better. ;D ;D
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I saw a Maestro the other day.... :o
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Having only used general unleaded B.P. petrol ..is it the general opinion of you guys on here that by using the higher octane and more expensive fuel that it repays you back by more m.p.g. and performance for you money.....interested to know... :-\ :-\ :-\
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Having only used general unleaded B.P. petrol ..is it the general opinion of you guys on here that by using the higher octane and more expensive fuel that it repays you back by more m.p.g. and performance for you money.....interested to know... :-\ :-\ :-\
I've been using Shell V-Power on and off and find she goes that little bit better with Shell premium petrol, MPG well i've no idea don't have a trip computer ;D .. But it's probably better for the engine long term so they say anyway. Maybe this new stuff is even better :-\
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Having only used general unleaded B.P. petrol ..is it the general opinion of you guys on here that by using the higher octane and more expensive fuel that it repays you back by more m.p.g. and performance for you money.....interested to know... :-\ :-\ :-\
yep about 10% more mpg at a constant 60 mph in the 2.5 V6. Thats due to the higher octane, I'm doubtful about anything else being added. The higher octane allows the ignition to be more advanced before knocking starts so more economy and/or more power. Not all cars will advance the ignition but most modern ones with knock sensors will I think, definitely the V6 does.
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Used to buy V power for my '95 1.4 Pug 106. (2005-2006)
On regular Shell the numbers were £40 to fill it, and 360 miles per tank.
On V power the numbers were £45 to fill it and 400 miles per tank.
Not much it it, but it did pay for itself, and the car did go better on it :y
I would expect the Nitro+ petrol to be summat like £45 to fill and 420-430 miles per tank using 2005 prices and that 106 for comparison :-\
( the example above assumes it is the same price as V power and performs better than traditional V power)
Rarely use it now, unless I'm feeling flush or to wash down a couple of bottles of Wynns injector cleaner every so often ::)
May well give it a go in the Mig :y
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Used to buy V power for my '95 1.4 Pug 106. (2005-2006)
On regular Shell the numbers were £40 to fill it, and 360 miles per tank.
On V power the numbers were £45 to fill it and 400 miles per tank.
Not much it it, but it did pay for itself, and the car did go better on it :y
I would expect the Nitro+ petrol to be summat like £45 to fill and 420-430 miles per tank using 2005 prices and that 106 for comparison :-\
( the example above assumes it is the same price as V power and performs better than traditional V power)
Rarely use it now, unless I'm feeling flush or to wash down a couple of bottles of Wynns injector cleaner every so often ::)
May well give it a go in the Mig :y
Was thinking of trying something similar no idea if they work or not or just a wast of cash.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009KLP7US?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
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Shame they dont make Nitro red diesel :-X ;D
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The nitro refers to nitrogen not nitro's. :)
the biggest worry facing petrol use is the new E10 when that gets introduced we will all be running on
V max, tesco 99 and Bp ultimate.
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Used to buy V power for my '95 1.4 Pug 106. (2005-2006)
On regular Shell the numbers were £40 to fill it, and 360 miles per tank.
On V power the numbers were £45 to fill it and 400 miles per tank.
Not much it it, but it did pay for itself, and the car did go better on it :y
I would expect the Nitro+ petrol to be summat like £45 to fill and 420-430 miles per tank using 2005 prices and that 106 for comparison :-\
( the example above assumes it is the same price as V power and performs better than traditional V power)
Rarely use it now, unless I'm feeling flush or to wash down a couple of bottles of Wynns injector cleaner every so often ::)
May well give it a go in the Mig :y
Was thinking of trying something similar no idea if they work or not or just a wast of cash.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009KLP7US?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
Thats expensive Wynns - usually get it through a trade a/c for around £3.50 a bottle.
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Used to buy V power for my '95 1.4 Pug 106. (2005-2006)
On regular Shell the numbers were £40 to fill it, and 360 miles per tank.
On V power the numbers were £45 to fill it and 400 miles per tank.
Not much it it, but it did pay for itself, and the car did go better on it :y
I would expect the Nitro+ petrol to be summat like £45 to fill and 420-430 miles per tank using 2005 prices and that 106 for comparison :-\
( the example above assumes it is the same price as V power and performs better than traditional V power)
Rarely use it now, unless I'm feeling flush or to wash down a couple of bottles of Wynns injector cleaner every so often ::)
May well give it a go in the Mig :y
Was thinking of trying something similar no idea if they work or not or just a wast of cash.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009KLP7US?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
Thats expensive Wynns - usually get it through a trade a/c for around £3.50 a bottle.
Any good or just a waste of money :-\
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Filled mine up today with the shell....must admit that pick up and running appear to be better and smoother but too early to say if i get more m.p.g.......i was reading an article on petrol today and the expert said..every car should run on the ..ron...as stated in the hand book so to pay more for a superior fuel just to get a smoother running engine and generally no improvement in m.p.g.is a sheer waste of money... :-\ :-\ so i will give it 3 or 4 tank fulls before i decide to stay with it or go back to standard unleaded.. :y :y
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Used to buy V power for my '95 1.4 Pug 106. (2005-2006)
On regular Shell the numbers were £40 to fill it, and 360 miles per tank.
On V power the numbers were £45 to fill it and 400 miles per tank.
Not much it it, but it did pay for itself, and the car did go better on it :y
I would expect the Nitro+ petrol to be summat like £45 to fill and 420-430 miles per tank using 2005 prices and that 106 for comparison :-\
( the example above assumes it is the same price as V power and performs better than traditional V power)
Rarely use it now, unless I'm feeling flush or to wash down a couple of bottles of Wynns injector cleaner every so often ::)
May well give it a go in the Mig :y
Was thinking of trying something similar no idea if they work or not or just a wast of cash.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009KLP7US?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
Thats expensive Wynns - usually get it through a trade a/c for around £3.50 a bottle.
Any good or just a waste of money :-\
Does what it says on the label - cleans the injectors :y :y
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yep i completely agree that contains an extra 25% of cleaning products in it and agree that is a good thing for the engine performance and running.....however if that is all that it does and does not improve the m.p.g........can shell warrant the 8p a litre extra cost and is it worth our while paying the extra. :-\ :-\...not sure yet..the jury is out at the moment.. :) :) :) :)
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Filled mine up today with the shell....must admit that pick up and running appear to be better and smoother but too early to say if i get more m.p.g.......i was reading an article on petrol today and the expert said..every car should run on the ..ron...as stated in the hand book so to pay more for a superior fuel just to get a smoother running engine and generally no improvement in m.p.g.is a sheer waste of money... :-\ :-\ so i will give it 3 or 4 tank fulls before i decide to stay with it or go back to standard unleaded.. :y :y
Depends on the car. I think most newer cars with knock sensors have a minimum octane and if you put higher octane in the engine will adjust (advance the ignition timing slightly). Vauxhall has had it for some time, definitely on my 98 v6. I recall my old Mazda 626 had it. Not always easy to find out though eg does anyone know if a 2001 2.0 vtec honda accord has it?
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The nitro refers to nitrogen not nitro's. :)
the biggest worry facing petrol use is the new E10 when that gets introduced we will all be running on
V max, tesco 99 and Bp ultimate.
A good point,which seems to be recieving very little publicity for some reason. ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/9923895/New-green-petrol-could-drive-up-prices-and-damage-cars.html
http://www.acea.be/news/news_detail/vehicle_compatibility_with_new_fuel_standard/
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The nitro refers to nitrogen not nitro's. :)
the biggest worry facing petrol use is the new E10 when that gets introduced we will all be running on
V max, tesco 99 and Bp ultimate.
A good point,which seems to be recieving very little publicity for some reason. ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/9923895/New-green-petrol-could-drive-up-prices-and-damage-cars.html
http://www.acea.be/news/news_detail/vehicle_compatibility_with_new_fuel_standard/
Tesco 99 has loads of Ethanol added, IIRC. Bad news if, like my "roller skate", your car has an aluminium fuel tank or other components, not that many production cars do.
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The nitro refers to nitrogen not nitro's. :)
the biggest worry facing petrol use is the new E10 when that gets introduced we will all be running on
V max, tesco 99 and Bp ultimate.
A good point,which seems to be recieving very little publicity for some reason. ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/9923895/New-green-petrol-could-drive-up-prices-and-damage-cars.html
http://www.acea.be/news/news_detail/vehicle_compatibility_with_new_fuel_standard/
Tesco 99 has loads of Ethanol added, IIRC. Bad news if, like my "roller skate", your car has an aluminium fuel tank or other components, not that many production cars do.
the premium fuels actually contain less ethanol,even tho ethanol has a ron of 110 and was used as a fuel at the dawn of the car but the fuel companys stopped using it when the invented modern leaded petrol,.
ethanol is being used now days because its "green" and will mean less mpg so more revenue for goverment.thats why supermarket fuel is pants,.
Total dont use ethanol yet,could be why shell are buying up total,. sites and putting new tanks and pumps in,getting ready for E10. Or is that just a conspiracy theory?
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Tesco 99 is 5% Ethanol.
TBH, most fuels are required to contain it these days due to some daft nut-muncher directive from the EU. ::)
Be very careful to check your fuel system as it's incompatible with some types of fuel hose and, as said, aluminium components.
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After using the new shell fuel for 450 miles the car definately starts easier and runs smoother..cant real tell if i get more..m.p.g....putting the increased cost against the gain i think i will just go back to b.p.and then every 4th tank full treat the old girl to this new stuff. :y :y